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patrick
07-07-2009, 06:54 PM
YES I DID!!

Some of you might have read the mail appended below that had been circulated quite a while. Well those who are really interested, can read it later.

Anyway, here's my story. I have tried it personally...and it works!! I am not sure how many "stones" I had got rid off, but I managed to retrieve one by accident. Here's proof that it works in case you want to go through the therapy too. The "stone" is pictured inside a listerine cap (1 inch diameter) so you can have an idea of the size.

What made me undergo the therapy was this feeling of indigestion and bloatedness that's been going on for quite a while. Originally, I thought it was gastric etc until Firefly told me this could be caused by acid build-up in the gallbladder due to gallstone blocking the passage. He told me he too had the same problem for quite a while. So, I thought there would be no harm in giving this therapy a try. Anyway, after my "success", I shared the experience with Firefly and he too underwent the therapy. However, nothing much happened. Later, he decided to go through the whole process again. This time....VOILA!! At about 2am, it started "raining" cats and dogs!! He told me he got rid of lots of green and red "stones", some as big as peanut-size! He is a mighty happy man now!!

Thought I should share our experience with you as some of you may also be having this same problem and this may well save you from having to go through surgery. Whoever is this Dr Lai.....Thanks a bunch!




REMOVING GALLSTONES NATURALLY
by Dr Lai Chiu-Nan

It has worked for many. If it works for you please pass on the good news. Chiu Nan is not charging for it, so we should make it free for everyone. Your reward is when someone, through your word of mouth, benefits from the regime. Gallstones may not be everyone's concern. But they should be because we all have them. Moreover, gallstones may lead to cancer. 'Cancer is never the first illness,' Chiu Nan points out. 'Usually, there are a lot of other problems leading to cancer.

In my research in China, I came across some materials which say that people with cancer usually have stones. We all have gallstones. It's a matter of big or small, many or few.

One of the symptoms of gallstones is a feeling of bloatedness after a heavy meal. You feel like you can't digest the food. If it gets more serious, you feel pain in the liver area.' So if you think you have gallstones, Chiu Nan offers the following method to remove them naturally.

The treatment is also good for those with a weak liver, because the liver and gallbladder are closely linked.

Regimen:
1. For the first five days, take four glasses of apple juice every day. Or eat four or five apples, whichever you prefer. Apple juice softens the gallstones. During the five days, eat normally.
2. On the sixth day, take no dinner.
3. At 6 PM, take a teaspoon of Epsom salt (magnesium sulphate) with a glass of warm water.
4. At 8 PM, repeat the same. Magnesium sulphate opens the gallbladder ducts.
5. At 10 PM, take half cup olive oil (or sesame oil) with half cup fresh lemon juice. Mix it well and drink it. The oil lubricates the stones to ease their passage.
PS. 1cup=250ml,

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/moothot/Miscellaneous/DSC01317b.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/moothot/Miscellaneous/DSC01317c.jpg

tehmc
07-07-2009, 07:45 PM
patrick
Thanks for sharing. Sounds similar to detox, think I'm going to try it too.
How did the gallstones come out from your body?

kpc
07-07-2009, 07:49 PM
Where you get the Epsom salt?

kuma
07-07-2009, 07:59 PM
patrick
How did the gallstones come out from your body?

Curious to know.... how did you 'catch' the stone?. Some say it's painful on it's way out. Is it true?

Sound like a great solution....only the last might be queasy....half a cup of olive oil is not easy to down!

Weezy
07-07-2009, 10:07 PM
epsom salts guardian oso got.

Sukdershan
07-07-2009, 11:05 PM
epsom salts guardian oso got.
All the best !!! :)
What level of evidence has this statement or practice.
There is a sucker born every second. :)
Sorry for the statements above I can find no other way to express my digust. :mad:

peterkkchong
08-07-2009, 01:25 AM
Patrick, green or red apple?

orchipalar
08-07-2009, 01:42 AM
Err buddies...whether this "regimen" or "cure" works or not...

Please try to read n understand the article being published by...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallstone

All the best...

clfoo
08-07-2009, 02:06 AM
All the best !!! :)
What level of evidence has this statement or practice.
There is a sucker born every second. :)
Sorry for the statements above I can find no other way to express my digust. :mad:

please elaborate what is so disgusting abt :confused:

umadavid
08-07-2009, 04:14 AM
I just don't believe that what you excreted are actually gall bladder stones. I heard about this treatment 5 years ago and didn't believe it then. Just surprised that Patrick believes it, really I am.

Trust me, I have been on an apple diet before and didn't consume epsom salt nor olive oil and my stools came out like little pebbles - many many in various sizes. Guess it was the undigested apple!

Richard Poh
08-07-2009, 09:27 AM
The 'stuff' looks like bull**** to me .

cskok8
08-07-2009, 10:32 AM
Drinking olive oil gets it into the intestine. The gallstone is in the gallbladder (as the same suggests). How does the olive oil get into the gallbladder to "lubricate" the stone????

Fabe18
08-07-2009, 10:58 AM
Err buddies...whether this "regimen" or "cure" works or not...

Please try to read n understand the article being published by...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallstone

All the best...


Anyone bothered to read the link posted by orchi before posting their own 2 cents???

Here's part of it...


Alternative medicine

A regimen called a "gallbladder flush" or "liver flush" is a popular remedy in alternative medicine.[14] In this treatment, often self-administered, the patient drinks four glasses of pure apple juice (not cider) and eats five apples (or applesauce) per day for five days, then fasts briefly, takes magnesium, and then drinks large quantities of lemon juice mixed with olive oil before bed. The next morning, they painlessly pass a number of green and brown pebbles purported to be stones flushed from the biliary system. Apples are a source of pectin, which has been shown to sequester bile and facilitate its elimination in the stool.[citation needed]

A brief communication in The Lancet [15] presents a case report of such a treatment where the patient released many soft stones. According to the article, "At the univerity hospital the stones were recognized as fatty stones". In another case report, a patient with ultrasonography-confirmed gallstones drank olive oil and lemon juice, suffered diarrhea and intense abdominal pain, and released several gallstones. After that treatment, the gallbladder was empty, as confirmed by ultrasonography [16].

On the other hand, a couple of case reports challenge the fact that what the stones retrieved from the stool after the "gallbladder flush" really come from the bladder. A New Zealand hospital analyzed stones from a typical gallbladder flush and found them to be composed of fatty acids similar to those in olive oil, with no detectable cholesterol or bile salts,[17] demonstrating that they are little more than hardened olive oil. Despite the gallbladder flush, the patient still required surgical removal of multiple true gallstones. A similar case report in The Lancet [18], accompanied by a simple chemical experiment, concludes that the observed stones from a typical gallbladder flush actually are a consequence of the flush: they form in the stomach under the chemical action of digestive enzymes of the stomach on the mix of olive oil and lemon.

Finally, drinking infusion from a plant native from the amazon, "Chanca Piedra" or "Break Stones" (Phyllanthus niruri) has long been used in South American traditional medicine to maintain kidney, liver, and gallbladder health; including the treatment of gallstones and kidney stones, and jaundice.[19].

Other patients have anecdotally reported that symptoms can be temporarily reduced by drinking several glasses of water when experiencing gallstone pain. There is no known evidence backing up this claim, and this approach will not eliminate the gallstones or improve the patient's condition in the long term.

Sukdershan
08-07-2009, 12:19 PM
please elaborate what is so disgusting abt :confused:
Read:
http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=7371

tehmc
08-07-2009, 03:12 PM
Read:
http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=7371

The link to the posting by palmdoc is about quacks, which is not quite relevant to this subject. We are talking about a 'self-administered remedy under alternative medicine'. According to the wiki article, it has not been conclusively proven, neither has it been disproved.

Fabe18
08-07-2009, 03:20 PM
Read:
http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=7371

I don't see the relevance between the link u posted with the self-administered apple juice regime.

Or is there something u see and we don't??

umadavid
08-07-2009, 03:35 PM
I don't see the relevance between the link u posted with the self-administered apple juice regime.

Or is there something u see and we don't??
Need to do a search within that site to find it. Just type gall bladder stone.http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=1458

palmdoc
08-07-2009, 04:09 PM
Actually we did post something about the "liver flush" here:
http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=1458

The thing to note is that the so-called “gallstones” typically passed during the liver flush are not really gallstones but simply soft complexes of mineral, olive oil and lemon juice produced within the digestive tract

See also the Quackwatch article The truth about Liver Flush (http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/flushes.html)

patrick
09-07-2009, 10:59 AM
patrick
Thanks for sharing. Sounds similar to detox, think I'm going to try it too.
How did the gallstones come out from your body?

From the bowel.

patrick
09-07-2009, 10:59 AM
Where you get the Epsom salt?

Bought from the organic shop.

patrick
09-07-2009, 11:00 AM
Patrick, green or red apple?

Green apples..

patrick
09-07-2009, 11:05 AM
I just don't believe that what you excreted are actually gall bladder stones. I heard about this treatment 5 years ago and didn't believe it then. Just surprised that Patrick believes it, really I am.

Trust me, I have been on an apple diet before and didn't consume epsom salt nor olive oil and my stools came out like little pebbles - many many in various sizes. Guess it was the undigested apple!

It's not so much a question of believing it or not. Just thought it's not invasive and no harm giving it a try. But I didnt take apples per se. I took the juice.

In any case, it seem to have worked for me and Firefly. And I just thought I should share it with you. I am no doctor and I dont know what you call it. I wont comment on others' views but I will only answer questions related to our experience.

palmdoc
09-07-2009, 11:08 AM
From the bowel.

Once more, those green/yellow blobs are not gallstones


they bear a slight resemblance to gallstones, but they are not stones. They are merely bile-stained "soaps" produced by partial saponification (soap formation) of the oil.
from (The Truth About Gallbladder and Liver Flushes (http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/flushes.html) )

Richard Poh
09-07-2009, 12:10 PM
..more and more look's..like .sorry ..sounds like bullshXt.

umadavid
09-07-2009, 01:44 PM
It's not so much a question of believing it or not. Just thought it's not invasive and no harm giving it a try. But I didnt take apples per se. I took the juice.

In any case, it seem to have worked for me and Firefly. And I just thought I should share it with you. I am no doctor and I dont know what you call it. I wont comment on others' views but I will only answer questions related to our experience.
Fair enough. All that matters is that you feel better.

Sukdershan
09-07-2009, 03:24 PM
Fair enough. All that matters is that you feel better.
..and pay a small tidy amount, probably its a economic stimulus package of sorts..... :)

jordan
09-07-2009, 04:06 PM
Patrick, I first did this thing in 2004. I can see many comments here but for me, it works. I had a skin problem and for many YEARS, I applied cream. After my 1st flush, the problem disappeared. Believe or not ? Up to you....

kpc
09-07-2009, 04:52 PM
Send the stone to Jabatan Kimia in PJ state to confirm whether it is really a gallstone or hardened olive oil.

AllUrban
09-07-2009, 05:32 PM
Send the stone to Jabatan Kimia in PJ state to confirm whether it is really a gallstone or hardened olive oil.Im forwarding this thread to my chemistry teacher colleagues.

Maybe they can encourage the students to do an experiment.

Cheers, m

Fang Su
09-07-2009, 07:27 PM
Two good medical doctors have already given their expert views on the subject. I am astonished there are still people who are still professing by the cure. I don't know. Maybe I am different. I tend to believe in medical doctors when they give their views from a medical point than what I read in a forum on Internet.

QuietStorm
09-07-2009, 07:30 PM
Im forwarding this thread to my chemistry teacher colleagues.

Maybe they can encourage the students to do an experiment.Cool. Please post the results here once available. :D

patrick
10-07-2009, 11:22 AM
Once more, those green/yellow blobs are not gallstones


from (The Truth About Gallbladder and Liver Flushes (http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/flushes.html) )

Thanks Doc for the feedback.

patrick
10-07-2009, 11:23 AM
..more and more look's..like .sorry ..sounds like bullshXt.

There are more polite words one could use.

patrick
10-07-2009, 11:29 AM
Patrick, I first did this thing in 2004. I can see many comments here but for me, it works. I had a skin problem and for many YEARS, I applied cream. After my 1st flush, the problem disappeared. Believe or not ? Up to you....

Like you, I dont know what it was exactly, but I feel much better afterwards. That's all that matters, isnt it?

Fabe18
10-07-2009, 01:47 PM
Like you, I dont know what it was exactly, but I feel much better afterwards. That's all that matters, isnt it?

In the wikipedia article, it did say that for some cases, it was proven it work.. but there are also proven cases that it doesn't work...

Patrick, maybe you can volunteer ur gallstone for clinical testing.. Just for the heck of it..

patrick
10-07-2009, 04:57 PM
In the wikipedia article, it did say that for some cases, it was proven it work.. but there are also proven cases that it doesn't work...

Patrick, maybe you can volunteer ur gallstone for clinical testing.. Just for the heck of it..

Alamak.... too late. I threw it away after photographing it!! Maybe next time....but hopefully not! ;=)

Firefly
10-07-2009, 06:25 PM
Oh dear..Does it work or does it not? I tried it..1st time, nothing (maybe I did not notice) came out..just loose stool. I tired it the 2nd time 2 weeks later..a lot came out but strangle I had not only green ones but maroon ones as well. All of them float with that whitish layer on the outside. Sorry I do not have any proof of those stones as it's too disgusting to put my fingers into the poop to fish them out.

palmdoc
10-07-2009, 07:31 PM
In the wikipedia article, it did say that for some cases, it was proven it work.. but there are also proven cases that it doesn't work...

Patrick, maybe you can volunteer ur gallstone for clinical testing.. Just for the heck of it..

Small gallstones can occasionally be passed out and they find their way into the intestinal tract. Ingesting oils/fats can cause the gallbladder to contract and hence small stone MAY pass out but in fact this happens uncommonly.
Most stones detected on ultrasound will not pass out spontaneously as they are too large.
The "liver flush" concoction will in all probability fail for this reason.
The point is people get excited when they see green,yellow,reddish blobs floating about in their stool after taking the "liver flush" but sad to disappoint, they are not gallstones (and for the reasons why please read the article).

Fang Su
11-07-2009, 12:45 PM
Oh dear..Does it work or does it not? I tried it..1st time, nothing (maybe I did not notice) came out..just loose stool. I tired it the 2nd time 2 weeks later..a lot came out but strangle I had not only green ones but maroon ones as well. All of them float with that whitish layer on the outside. Sorry I do not have any proof of those stones as it's too disgusting to put my fingers into the poop to fish them out.

Patrick & Firefly. The most important thing in the end is that you both felt good after it. And that is what matters.

tupai
11-07-2009, 12:55 PM
what actually cause gall/kidney or whatever organ stones?
- didn't drink enuff water daily?
- didnt pee enuff daily?
- swallowing tiny-weeny stones in rice? :p
- swallowing chewing gum? :p

If drink lotsa beer can give lotsa peeing & watery pooing...assuming that the liver survive the 3times weekly alchy onslaught, does it also mean, on the positive side, that the liver&bladder&kidneys got nicely flushed simultaneously? hence the drinker of lotsa fluid has a lesser risk of gathering any kinda coloured stones? Seriously.

Yang Blur sotong latotupai

tehmc
11-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Patrick & Firefly. The most important thing in the end is that you both felt good after it. And that is what matters.

It could have been the 'placebo effect'. :)

patrick
11-07-2009, 10:07 PM
Small gallstones can occasionally be passed out and they find their way into the intestinal tract. Ingesting oils/fats can cause the gallbladder to contract and hence small stone MAY pass out but in fact this happens uncommonly.
Most stones detected on ultrasound will not pass out spontaneously as they are too large.
The "liver flush" concoction will in all probability fail for this reason.
The point is people get excited when they see green,yellow,reddish blobs floating about in their stool after taking the "liver flush" but sad to disappoint, they are not gallstones (and for the reasons why please read the article).

One question Doc. In surgery to remove Gallstones, is it just the stones that are removed or do they remove the whole Gallbladder?

patrick
11-07-2009, 10:08 PM
Oh dear..Does it work or does it not? I tried it..1st time, nothing (maybe I did not notice) came out..just loose stool. I tired it the 2nd time 2 weeks later..a lot came out but strangle I had not only green ones but maroon ones as well. All of them float with that whitish layer on the outside. Sorry I do not have any proof of those stones as it's too disgusting to put my fingers into the poop to fish them out.

Meant to ask you.....has your feeling of indigestion/bloatedness dissipated after the therapy?

palmdoc
11-07-2009, 10:10 PM
One question Doc. In surgery to remove Gallstones, is it just the stones that are removed or do they remove the whole Gallbladder?

http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/tc/gallstones-surgery

fRaNkY
11-07-2009, 10:30 PM
If you think you have gallstone. Have you done a ultrasound to confirm you have gallstone?

CS Chua
11-07-2009, 10:54 PM
I had my gallbladder removed a few years ago as it was too packed with stones. Otherwise, it could be shattered with ultra sound or dissolved with prescribed medication. Like most of you, I had to read up and was convinced that these detox methods are not genuine or scientifically proven. So, I had it removed at SJMC.

The symptoms were like Patrick described; bloating stomach after a meal (not heavy meal because even a cup of water could set it off), abdominal cramp because of the bloating and excess gas etc After the surgery, it was all gone.

But new problems arise. Now, oily and fatty food have to be reduced as digestion is difficult. Because the gallbladder is no longer there, the bile is released continuously into the stomach. The gallbladder controls the release of the bile. When you eat oily food or fatty food like pork, the gallbladder releases the bile to aid in digestion. Without the gallbladder, the bile is not controlled anymore. So, what happens now is that, there is excessive acid in the tummy which can be very gassy. It can also cause heartburn which is very common for people without the gallbladder. Most of us take Zantac or some acid reducing tablets regularly. Antacid is always nearby because of it.

So, if possible, do not remove the gallbladder unless it is an emergency. God put it there for a reason. If the stones are still small, get it out before it becomes too big.

palmdoc
12-07-2009, 07:52 PM
Hence generally the "rule" that if gallstones are not causing symptoms or problems, there is no need to have the gallbladder removed
There may be some exceptions. See:

http://www.webmd.com/hw-popup/surgery-for-gallstones-that-do-not-cause-symptoms

I also found this Mayo clinic article on the "Liver flush" which you should read

http://www.mayoclinic.com/print/gallbladder-cleanse/AN01283/METHOD=print

patrick
13-07-2009, 11:30 AM
Hence generally the "rule" that if gallstones are not causing symptoms or problems, there is no need to have the gallbladder removed
There may be some exceptions. See:

http://www.webmd.com/hw-popup/surgery-for-gallstones-that-do-not-cause-symptoms

I also found this Mayo clinic article on the "Liver flush" which you should read

http://www.mayoclinic.com/print/gallbladder-cleanse/AN01283/METHOD=print

Have read those links but still cant seem to find answer to my curiousty. Doc, can gallstones be removed WITHOUT surgically removing the gallbladder? Thanks.

palmdoc
13-07-2009, 12:03 PM
IIANM, usually the gallbladder is already diseased/abnormal if one needs to have symptomatic stones removed, so the stones and gallbladder are removed "in toto"
Best ask your surgeon if you have any other questions :)

patrick
13-07-2009, 03:13 PM
IIANM, usually the gallbladder is already diseased/abnormal if one needs to have symptomatic stones removed, so the stones and gallbladder are removed "in toto"
Best ask your surgeon if you have any other questions :)

Thanks...my question is to satisfy my thirst for knowledge. Rgds. ;-)

PJS
13-07-2009, 09:58 PM
I saw a big big banner at the JustLife organic shop in The Gardens Midvalley that they have the remedy for kidney stones. Some sort of organic apple cider or something, didn't really pay attention.

Palmdoc, is that remedy truth or hoax?

What is the treatment option for urid acid stone in kidney. Almost 5.0mm (or larger by now :p ) Urologist says to drink Ural to make the urine slightly alkaline to slowly dissolve the stone, then come back for check up after 4 months. The patient has not been very good in keeping to the regime and it's been 6 months since and not been back for the scan. Shd he try to continue to drink lots of water in hopes the stone will reduce, eventually? Or go see the Dr and face the prognosis that says the stone is too big and need surgical removal?

Does Chinese traditional medicine help in this case?

Fabe18
13-07-2009, 11:57 PM
I saw a big big banner at the JustLife organic shop in The Gardens Midvalley that they have the remedy for kidney stones. Some sort of organic apple cider or something, didn't really pay attention.

Palmdoc, is that remedy truth or hoax?

What is the treatment option for urid acid stone in kidney. Almost 5.0mm (or larger by now :p ) Urologist says to drink Ural to make the urine slightly alkaline to slowly dissolve the stone, then come back for check up after 4 months. The patient has not been very good in keeping to the regime and it's been 6 months since and not been back for the scan. Shd he try to continue to drink lots of water in hopes the stone will reduce, eventually? Or go see the Dr and face the prognosis that says the stone is too big and need surgical removal?

Does Chinese traditional medicine help in this case?

Chinese traditional medicine is not miracle cure. Even if it can help, it would need time.

patrick
14-07-2009, 06:53 PM
I saw a big big banner at the JustLife organic shop in The Gardens Midvalley that they have the remedy for kidney stones. Some sort of organic apple cider or something, didn't really pay attention.

Palmdoc, is that remedy truth or hoax?

What is the treatment option for urid acid stone in kidney. Almost 5.0mm (or larger by now :p ) Urologist says to drink Ural to make the urine slightly alkaline to slowly dissolve the stone, then come back for check up after 4 months. The patient has not been very good in keeping to the regime and it's been 6 months since and not been back for the scan. Shd he try to continue to drink lots of water in hopes the stone will reduce, eventually? Or go see the Dr and face the prognosis that says the stone is too big and need surgical removal?

Does Chinese traditional medicine help in this case?

Maybe you wanna try this alternative therapy? Then tell us IF it works :

Eat 12 lemons every day (could be diluted or sweetened) for 5 days.

When the stones start to come ut, it could be quite painful especially for those who have a lot of stones. Therefore, if not in a hurry to get rid of the stone, eat fewer lemons for more days, to allow citric acid to slowly dissolve the calcium deposit. After some time, the stone that come out will be like sand. They will come out throught the urinary tract.

Boil 1 tablespoon dried Dandelion root and 4 cups of apple juice for 10 minutes. Sieve the mixture. Drink 2/3 cups three times a day.

The above is reproduced entirely from a booklet that I had borrowed.

Goodluck!

Fabe18
14-07-2009, 07:48 PM
Maybe you wanna try this alternative therapy? Then tell us IF it works :

Eat 12 lemons every day (could be diluted or sweetened) for 5 days.

When the stones start to come ut, it could be quite painful especially for those who have a lot of stones. Therefore, if not in a hurry to get rid of the stone, eat fewer lemons for more days, to allow citric acid to slowly dissolve the calcium deposit. After some time, the stone that come out will be like sand. They will come out throught the urinary tract.

Boil 1 tablespoon dried Dandelion root and 4 cups of apple juice for 10 minutes. Sieve the mixture. Drink 2/3 cups three times a day.

The above is reproduced entirely from a booklet that I had borrowed.

Goodluck!

and drink more water.....

palmdoc
14-07-2009, 10:36 PM
Maybe you wanna try this alternative therapy? Then tell us IF it works :

Eat 12 lemons every day (could be diluted or sweetened) for 5 days.

When the stones start to come ut, it could be quite painful especially for those who have a lot of stones. Therefore, if not in a hurry to get rid of the stone, eat fewer lemons for more days, to allow citric acid to slowly dissolve the calcium deposit. After some time, the stone that come out will be like sand. They will come out throught the urinary tract.

Boil 1 tablespoon dried Dandelion root and 4 cups of apple juice for 10 minutes. Sieve the mixture. Drink 2/3 cups three times a day.

The above is reproduced entirely from a booklet that I had borrowed.

Goodluck!

A bit OT moving from gallstones to urinary stones but I am not a urologist and know nothing about it. But lookkee here there's a Youtube video on lemon juice and calcium oxalate stones
:cool:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bVjLdBwTVjM&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bVjLdBwTVjM&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

...and it seems there is a chemical basis as citrus fruits like lemon, oranges, grapefruit are a natural source of citrate which inhibits calcium oxalate crystallization.
The medical equivalent of this would be things like Ural which contains citrate as well which your urologist or doctor may prescribe (I guess its easier than downing all that lemon juice)
There are some studies on lemon juice and renal stones and for anyone interested, you could go to http://pubmed.gov and enter "lemon juice kidney stone" and you'll find some interesting studies.

As for the apple cider one, I believe it is folklore but I can't find any studies to support this.

Richard Poh
23-07-2009, 01:03 PM
Folks. Is there a sceening test or something to determine if we have stone in GallBladder and Kidney ? So far I have not heard of any unless one got symtom . I am thinking of checking it .

chewie
23-07-2009, 01:24 PM
Richard... you need to go for scanning... go to klinik seri setia at SS 3, behind esso station... only on monday from 530 to 830pm.. there will be a doctor there to scan for you then it will be able to tell u how big is your stone in your gallblader or even kidney stone...

kwchang
23-07-2009, 01:34 PM
I believe Chewie meant ultrasound scanning. It is a simple procedure but the doctor should be trained to operate and diagnose using ultrasound.

Richard Poh
23-07-2009, 01:54 PM
Richard... you need to go for scanning... go to klinik seri setia at SS 3, behind esso station... only on monday from 530 to 830pm.. there will be a doctor there to scan for you then it will be able to tell u how big is your stone in your gallblader or even kidney stone...
Thank you. If done ,I will post my experience later.

patrick
24-07-2009, 03:06 PM
Folks. Is there a sceening test or something to determine if we have stone in GallBladder and Kidney ? So far I have not heard of any unless one got symtom . I am thinking of checking it .

Call Klinik Segera at SS14, tel: 030 56338197. I believe they do ultrasound. Rgds.

fRaNkY
24-07-2009, 04:00 PM
If you think you have gallstone. Have you done a ultrasound to confirm you have gallstone?

It was a painless... kinda itchy... scanning. The dr put some gel (KY?) and kinda spread here and there. Same as the ones your wife did when she was carrying your baby.

I did mine recently, following up from one I did few years back where a grain size was detected... Dr said normal for people who have high uric acid. Luckily this time round, the gall'sand' is gone. Did it in Pantai Medical Center, company foot the bill. Just need to fast from 8pm onwards. You can drink plain water and more before the scan start.

Richard Poh
24-07-2009, 04:42 PM
It was a painless... kinda itchy... scanning. The dr put some gel (KY?) and kinda spread here and there. Same as the ones your wife did when she was carrying your baby.

I did mine recently, following up from one I did few years back where a grain size was detected... Dr said normal for people who have high uric acid. Luckily this time round, the gall'sand' is gone. Did it in Pantai Medical Center, company foot the bill. Just need to fast from 8pm onwards. You can drink plain water and more before the scan start.

Great info. Tks.