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mel&sun
06-07-2009, 10:46 PM
Don't mean to be petty here. Had a very unpleasant dinner tonight. Just came back from having steamboat at my fav place in SS15. Hey.. it's my fav and i should be enjoying it with my family. Wasn't eavesdropping but the conversations from the table behind me was loud and unbearable.

This bunch of men (4-5 of them) plus a lady, mostly well dressed and can speak pleasant english just tarnished their own image when they spoke cantonese. Can you beat it?? Every single word of theirs involved each others mother's *ahem*. The "filial piety" at that table was just overwhelming. If it's not about mother it's about other private parts and all.. what an awesome nite.

I was just thinking, this must be some hillbillies from somewhere far far away stopping by our pleasant neighbourhood for good food.

I hope the people at the said table reads this. Your conversations are very very very disgraceful. Yes.. sometimes when we get overboard, we may ask about people's mother and all.. but hey!! not everyone is interested in YOUR CONVERSATION. Keep it LOW if you can! :mad:

I don't remember growing up around this kinda unpleasant environment in Subang.

Phew.... anger gone... ;)

pucman
06-07-2009, 11:26 PM
Please ! I don't quite agree that most people living in Subang are 'educated' and that Subang is an 'elite' town. I've met quite a lot of ruffians there too.

If you want a more cultured place, you should try to live in Europe instead.

We have people who park their car in the middle of the road, double parking, hell driving (jig zag), speeding, jaywalking, jump queue etc.

This is what we call ugly malaysians and is not specific to any urban towns.

mel&sun
06-07-2009, 11:31 PM
Pucman.. that was just my thoughts and two cents aloud. What makes you think there's none of such in Europe? ;)

pucman
07-07-2009, 12:01 AM
Pucman.. that was just my thoughts and two cents aloud. What makes you think there's none of such in Europe? ;)

I was in Europe and america, they do drive in a more civilised manner.

Here in Msia, it is every selfish man for himself.

They can even cut into your lane quickly and without signalling, then when we horn them because we nearly crashed into them, they will give you the finger . :mad:

MasterQ
07-07-2009, 12:04 AM
If it's not about mother it's about other private parts and all.. what an awesome nite.
You are sure these well dressed people are not Obstetrician & Gynaecologist from the nearby Sime Darby Medical Centre discussing about their work? ..........just thinking.

kwchang
07-07-2009, 12:41 AM
..........just thinking.
I think this is a serious matter and you know very well what Mel&sun was refering to.

I was in Europe and america, they do drive in a more civilised mannerThe issue in this discussion is about Foul Language, not about rowdy behaviour. Anyway, on the matter of being civilised on the road, I can never understand why people can be law-abiding on Australia roads (for example) but break all the rules back home !

USJ27Resident
07-07-2009, 12:51 AM
Anyway, on the matter of being civilised on the road, I can never understand why people can be law-abiding on Australia roads (for example) but break all the rules back home !

as a matter of fact too, these fellas can be the most courteous, civilised drivers on the road in America... and when come back to Malaysia, all that courtesy was left at the boarding gates in America... LoL...

Yellow light a mile away... oredi slow down... :D

Probably heard or watched too much TV, that if involved in accident overseas - the victims would SUE the crap out of the driver concerned... :p

clfoo
07-07-2009, 02:13 AM
... Anyway, on the matter of being civilised on the road, I can never understand why people can be law-abiding on Australia roads (for example) but break all the rules back home !

u can question the same on singaporean car driving in m'sia ... so it's due to combination factor of ppl (regardless of nationality) + this country 'allow' it.

fRaNkY
07-07-2009, 07:16 AM
Hahaha! it would be fun recording and put it in utube :D (its public recording).... really no class lar... all dress up and speak lidat...

Reminds me of 2 "affordable" photo friends, who have all the latest and best lens/camera... every five words spoken... you know wud lar.. come out.

CCY
07-07-2009, 09:10 AM
......
I don't remember growing up around this kinda unpleasant environment in Subang.

Phew.... anger gone... ;)
Well.... If you happen to be in this mamak Silva in ss15 , behind Maybank in the early morning you'll most likely bump into these ss17 secondary school students , puffing ciggies away like nobody's bizness and as what you describe , loud and clear ...mother's and father's n sometimes grandparent's foul as it can get words ...were freely filling the supposedly crisp morning environment , oblivious to other patrons around .

Would these kids grow up to be one that you describe later in their life...? You bet....

Sentinel
07-07-2009, 11:29 AM
Mel&Sun, there is a famous Hokkien saying: "Oo boo see boh peh kar" meaning literally "Got mother to give birth but no father to teach him". Pleanty in USJ and even Kota Kemuning and Puchong too...

Just one thing that always makes me scratch my head... the lady in the group, don't know shame kah?

bslee
07-07-2009, 12:17 PM
Just one thing that always makes me scratch my head... the lady in the group, don't know shame kah?

Blatantly UNCOUTH and ARROGANT people in our society lah!.. We have plenty amongst us, and its still very evident amongst youths. They just can't resist adding in a couple of foul words in every sentence or two. Almost NO parent will teach their kids to speak like that and its everyone knows foul and uncouth language is despicable and uncivilized. Must people stress their point with uncouth language?.. thats why I say our education system have actually FAILED!.. period!.

Sentinel
07-07-2009, 02:14 PM
I was on a short flight from KLIA to Bandar Seri Begawan on Royal Brunei Airlines flight last Sunday. Two Malaysian ladies, obviously first time on RBA flights, criticised everything from the pre-flight 'prayer' on the PA system to food served in the most flowery of Cantonese.... they really think they are so well-travelled to offer running commentary the entire flight... even I blushed with their flowery vocabs, so uncouthed!

bslee
07-07-2009, 02:43 PM
Malaysia is a FAILED nation lah!. (and in continuous DENIAL). Only good or better than the worst. Very false impression and superficial from the outside, still very rotten inside and its not improving!. Civility, mannerisms, discipline, social responsibility are all questionable. Can't even abide simple traffic rules, throw rubbish everywhere even where there's a public bin provided, 3 people on motorbike, unlicensed kids riding motorbikes, can't even use the public toilet with care, don't care, don't bother attitudes everywhere...NUMEROUS ugly Malaysian habits and bad attitudes galore. FORGET VISION 2020, its just someone's fantasy and wild imagination.
Very painfully regret being stuck here.

pucman
07-07-2009, 02:53 PM
Blatantly UNCOUTH and ARROGANT people in our society lah!.. We have plenty amongst us, and its still very evident amongst youths. They just can't resist adding in a couple of foul words in every sentence or two. .


Most young people don't even understand the meaning of the words, they learn it from their friends and they think it is hip.

You try to ask them what's the meaning....

One example is 'Wah Lau' spoken extensively in Singapore. This is a vulgar word originally came from 'Gua Lan' (hokkien) meaning 'My private part'.

I even heard young girls speaking them in my office. When I told them it is a vulgar word, she didn't believe in me . :rolleyes:

bslee
07-07-2009, 03:02 PM
Most young people don't even understand the meaning of the words, they learn it from their friends and they think it is hip.
You try to ask them what's the meaning....


What you say is true. They simply don't realize its gravity of foul, offensive words, moreover could be a direct insult. As I said, we're in a failed nation.

Anyway, I'm sure you're all mostly parents here or will be in the future. Educate your offspring well to the best of abilities. Don't hope for public education to do the job.

AaronOng
07-07-2009, 06:11 PM
Most young people don't even understand the meaning of the words, they learn it from their friends and they think it is hip.

You try to ask them what's the meaning....

One example is 'Wah Lau' spoken extensively in Singapore. This is a vulgar word originally came from 'Gua Lan' (hokkien) meaning 'My private part'.

I even heard young girls speaking them in my office. When I told them it is a vulgar word, she didn't believe in me . :rolleyes:


Oh seriously.... Gee I must refrain from speaking that word. Didn;t know that. Tks.

bslee
07-07-2009, 06:26 PM
Oh seriously.... Gee I must refrain from speaking that word. Didn;t know that. Tks.

I think its always best practice "to speak PLAINLY and POLITELY". There's really no need to flourish the sentences "with all the extras" just to prove or stress out a point.

pucman
07-07-2009, 06:30 PM
Oh seriously.... Gee I must refrain from speaking that word. Didn;t know that. Tks.

It's a corrupted form of the original hokkien word.

Another corrupted form is 'Chiu', the original form is the vulgar 'Tiu' in cantonese. So if you're in Hong Kong and hear the word 'Chiu', you know what's the meaning. :D

kuma
07-07-2009, 09:32 PM
Anyway, on the matter of being civilised on the road, I can never understand why people can be law-abiding on Australia roads (for example) but break all the rules back home !

And so do the Singaporeans as mentioned in another post.

So Why Do They Do That?

Because in Australia and S'pore, don't have "Instant Solution" if get caught...get the drift, or must I elaborate?
There they put you in jail and take the pleasure of driving away from you.

On the issue of 'Foul Language'....I think this is becoming almost the norm nowadays. Whether it's on account of us being a failed nation or not, I'm not sure[ I believe it takes more to be termed a 'failed nation']....

.....but I think it involves an expression of Anger & Frustration that is deeply rooted in the Malaysian psyche.

I recently had the displeasure to sit on a table next to a couple[not hubby and wifey] , both look like in their early 50's....talking loudly[enough for me to make every word]about their boss and other colleagues at work.

The language was profound and it amazed me how "those foul words" just flowed in their sentences. Almost poetic! :rolleyes:

You see....I'm from the 'old school' and I'll accept some young blokes to throw in a couple of those words off and on. They think its COOL :D ....I think its got to do with being young and 'hot'....just got to let it out.

BUT, when old folks do it too and in Public...something is wrong. Like I said, I'm 'old school'....I cringe when such words come out off a WOMAN!

bslee
07-07-2009, 10:56 PM
BUT, when old folks do it too and in Public...something is wrong. Like I said, I'm 'old school'....I cringe when such words come out off a WOMAN!

I'm not entirely old school, but already very seasoned with experiences about life. I'd now cringe when ANYONE speaking with uncouth language in public. They can do it it their own toilet for all I care, but NOT in public when its easily overheard. Its all about acting civilized.
Ah!... but then they'd very well know NOT TO SHAKE LEGS or DIG THE NOSE at a job interview though!.

chewie
08-07-2009, 08:00 AM
but in US, a friend of mine studied there.... is ok to mention the word 'f**k' but is not ok to say the word 's**t'

so, could be different country different culture... :)

kuma
08-07-2009, 11:28 AM
but in US, a friend of mine studied there.... is ok to mention the word 'f**k' but is not ok to say the word 's**t'

so, could be different country different culture... :)

Well that's because they do more of the earlier, and less of the later over there.
So the 'F' word becomes common language. We might be the opposite, and that's why life over there is getting 'F'ed' up now....and 'S**ter' by the day here.:D

Sentinel
08-07-2009, 11:36 AM
If I say the media (TV serials) play a big part in influencing our children's behavior... many fans of TV serials (esp those from HK and now Singapore) would toast me. The truth is those uncouth actions referred to by BSLee are aplenty in HK TV serials....

When sad or angry or frustrated, go out to the pub and drown the sorrows with a glass of brandy on the rock... thats not our culture but only on TV!

bslee
08-07-2009, 02:31 PM
When sad or angry or frustrated, go out to the pub and drown the sorrows with a glass of brandy on the rock.

I'd switch on my hifi, spin my old records, (not CD) and delve myself in nostalgia of good old 70's music. Yes, vinyl records, you don't know what you're missing. :D

Sentinel
08-07-2009, 04:19 PM
I'd switch on my hifi, spin my old records, (not CD) and delve myself in nostalgia of good old 70's music. Yes, vinyl records, you don't know what you're missing. :DWant to see my collection? I recently scratched a much-treasured LP - Pink Floyd Off the Wall... how or where to find replacement ah?