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gary yap
16-06-2009, 06:09 PM
I need advise regarding using mobile phones for Wifi purpose. Normally I'll use my lappie but since owning an E71 I've been using it for Wifi but do I get charge? I called Maxis and got 2 different feedback. First one say NO, there's no charge if Wifi is use while the other said YES use cos you're using SIM card for Wifi activities and GPRS as well but charge is minimal. Please advise!

QuietStorm
16-06-2009, 06:44 PM
Good question, Gary. I'm planning to get the wifi phone, the Nokia 5800. My question is, are these wifi phones protected against virus attacks?

USJ27Resident
16-06-2009, 07:04 PM
Normally I'll use my lappie but since owning an E71 I've been using it for Wifi but do I get charge? I called Maxis and got 2 different feedback. First one say NO, there's no charge if Wifi is use while the other said YES use cos you're using SIM card for Wifi activities and GPRS as well but charge is minimal. Please advise!

Just checked with a friend @ Maxis... mana ada charge... the Wifi runs on its built in wifi card, independent from the Sim Card leh... :p However, if your wifi connection "drops" and your phone is set to auto-connect... you might inadvertedly connect to the Internet via your phone's 3G and if you're OVERSEAS... be prepared to kena ROAMING charges as well...

One way to ensure you don't connect to the internet is to follow this settings:
PRESS: MENU>WEB>OPTION>SETTING>GENERAL>ACCESS POINT>ALWAYS ASK.
When you (want to) connect to the Internet, the phone will ask you to SELECT ACCESS POINT....in which you select the CIRCLE/FOUR SQUARES which indicates a Wifi AP. Hope this helps... Those East/West Arrows symbols?... those are 3G access points... which IS chargable!! :D Only kena charged if you use your Symbian [S60] browser to surf via Maxis 3G,...

As for phone virus... well, [quote from a website] A mobile phone virus is a computer virus specifically adapted for the cellular environment and designed to spread from one vulnerable phone to another. Although mobile phone virus hoaxes have been around for years, the so-called Cabir virus is the first verified example. The virus was created by a group from the Czech Republic and Slovakia called 29a, who sent it to a number of security software companies, including Symantec in the United States and Kapersky Lab in Russia. Cabir is considered a "proof of concept" virus, because it proves that a virus can be written for mobile phones, something that was once doubted.
Cabir was developed for mobile phones running the Symbian and Series 60 software, and using Bluetooth. The virus searches within Bluetooth's range (about 30 meters) for mobile phones running in discoverable mode and sends itself, disguised as a security file, to any vulnerable devices. The virus only becomes active if the recipient accepts the file and then installs it. Once installed, the virus displays the word "Caribe" on the device's display. Each time an infected phone is turned on, the virus launches itself and scans the area for other devices to send itself to. The scanning process is likely to drain the phone's batteries. Cabir can be thought of as a hybrid virus/worm: its mode of distribution qualifies it as a network worm, but it requires user interaction like a traditional virus.

Cabir is not considered very dangerous, because it doesn't cause actual damage, and because users can prevent infection by simply refusing to accept suspicious files. However, the virus's code could be altered to create more harmful malware that might, for example, delete any information stored on phones it infects, or send out fake messages purporting to be from the phone's owner.
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my personal 2sen contribution: don't download anything you are NOT sure of, and that will save you a lot of heartache -PERIOD!

macgyver_usj
17-06-2009, 08:27 AM
USJ27Resident gave very good info.

This setting is very important to prevent the phone from free usage to paid usage.

One way to ensure you don't connect to the internet is to follow this settings:
PRESS: MENU>WEB>OPTION>SETTING>GENERAL>ACCESS POINT>ALWAYS ASK.

gary yap
17-06-2009, 08:42 AM
I see... The Wifi runs independently but downloading also uses the GPRS services right? Surfing via wifi is FOC it's the downloading part. JUst have to check my unbilled amount every Monday.

PianoMan
17-06-2009, 09:00 AM
OK, let me explain this issue as i own an E71 also.

If the phone connects via wifi to the internet (WLAN, there's a tab that says WLAN scanning ON/OFF), it uses the onboard wifi system to search and connect to a wireless access point that is located at a certain area (starbucks, coffee bean, home, etc).

The internet connection is then provided by the wireless access point at starbucks, coffee bean, etc meaning that they actually subscribe to the internet service provider, not you. Normally this method will require a password for you to connect on to the wireless access point at the area you are in and you can lose the connection if you wander off too far from the access point.

However, the phone can also connect to the internet via GPRS, EDGE or 3G. That service is provided directly by your service provider (maxis, digi, celcom, etc). This one you have to pay for it via data charges. It does not connect via WLAN but via GPRS, EDGE or 3G. Most phones can connect to the internet via this method as not all phones have a WLAN wifi chip inside it (unlike E71, 5800) and this is the only mode to connect to the internet for those phones.

There is no such thing as you have to pay only if you download, opening a webpage itself requires downloading of the webpage itself already.

I hope that with my simple and brief explanation, you will have a better understanding to the matter.

gary yap
17-06-2009, 09:07 AM
Well said Piano Man, it's music to my ears(no pun intended :D )

robertec
17-06-2009, 02:25 PM
I have been using Mobile Phone with Wifi since a very long time now, it is free if you can login. I do not use my computer after office hours, so my streamyx at home is more for the Mobile Phone.

On a Nokia Phone you would need to go to WLAN Wizard search for WLAN Networks and define the Access Point first. In the web browser settings make sure you choose “Always ask” in the Access Point section all of which is indicated by USJ27Resident.

When you startup the Web browser and it goes straight in, without asking which Access Point to select you are probably using 3G,3.5G, Edge, GPRS.

Look carefully at the Signal Strength indicator on your mobile, next to it (in normal mode) is a 3G, but when it is active you will see a double arrow under the 3G or 3.5G this is the indicator that you are using Mobile 3G. I know of users who unknowingly download huge emails and surfing the internet with 3G and paying for it through their nose. (if you want to continuously use your mobile to access the internet, just get an unlimited 3G plan)

Did you also know that with 3G on your mobile phone, you can actually use it as a modem for your laptop to download email and have access to the internet? Mind you the speed if you can get 3.5G is really quite fantastic. Just mind the drain on your Mobile Phone battery.

Another bit of advise if you should change to another Sim Card on your mobile when you travel all the settings will revert to the factory default and you will need to re-configure the 3G/Wifi setting again.

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gary yap
17-06-2009, 02:28 PM
Thanx! That's why I was wondering how come the signal display changes. Another question. I want to set-up wireless at home, how to and how much? Sometimes before reaching home I'll parked outside Station One or Old Town and 'pinjam' their network.

Another question: If roaming, do I get charge even if I'm using their wireless?

robertec
17-06-2009, 03:41 PM
Thanx! That's why I was wondering how come the signal display changes. Another question. I want to set-up wireless at home, how to and how much? Sometimes before reaching home I'll parked outside Station One or Old Town and 'pinjam' their network.

Another question: If roaming, do I get charge even if I'm using their wireless?

Setting up a wireless internet connection at home is not that difficult to do, just go buy a Wireless Router. There are a few brands that are equally good and cheap. Maybe below RM150.

I have never been charged for roaming charges when I use the wireless during my overseas trips.

If you are like me and really have to get at the emails try getting
Lonely Cat Games - ProfiMail
I normally use a localised prepaid card when I travel, I use the wifi where I can but when there is no Wifi I use the prepaid 3.5G to download my email and going through 12 email accounts to browse for "Urgent" mail cost only a very small amount.

I prefer this system to using the Blackberry, oh if you did not already know, you can install the Blackberry system on your Nokia Phone if you so wanted.

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USJ27Resident
18-06-2009, 01:42 AM
Setting up a wireless internet connection at home is not that difficult to do, just go buy a Wireless Router.

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As internet/computer savvy as I am... somehow :confused: I am stumped at home in trying to setup the new Linksys Wifi Router..... :o