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chsum
28-04-2009, 07:52 AM
err.. here we go again, another half baked traffic change idea, pls read

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/4/28/central/3782267&sec=central

The morning rush
again and again, they don't learn, you can't get more traffic through a traffic light if the road up front is jam with cars, solve the ss19 junction first and hope for the best Federal highway don't jam up then only this idea will have any chance to work.

The evening rush
slight improvement, will work but in the expense of ppl coming out of usj.

my traffic sense

CCY
28-04-2009, 12:04 PM
err.. here we go again, another half baked traffic change idea, pls read

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/4/28/central/3782267&sec=central

The morning rush
again and again, they don't learn, you can't get more traffic through a traffic light if the road up front is jam with cars, solve the ss19 junction first and hope for the best Federal highway don't jam up then only this idea will have any chance to work.

The evening rush
slight improvement, will work but in the expense of ppl coming out of usj.

my traffic sense

LoL...haha ...chsum...
You are at this again and I haven't got the mood to pen an unprofessional, unwanted 1sen worth on the change. You got the half baked traffic change on the dot without doubt. In total there isn't any increase in traffic throughput in both direction. It is just shifting the jams from the left to the right affecting different group of travelers.
There won't be any possible improvement if the traffic out to the FH if it is in a saturated traffic condition and it need not have to change the current setup if there is no jams to the FH. Only take care of the ss19 lights would do. To add additional seconds to this direction is to rob the time of those traveling into usj. Worst is that there isn't any thought of changing the traffic light into an intelligent modern day adaptive traffic controller .

You n I get stuck while entering usj is because of some DUMB fixed timing traffic light .....or is it someones DUMB idea.... that do not respond to changes in traffic volumes on demand. The year is 2009 and not 1980.
Ikram...Mpsj ..? Oh..ya....they are the professional....

AllUrban
28-04-2009, 12:26 PM
just get rid of the median and make the road 1 way in the morning and 1 way at night. Then you have 6 lanes.

Oh, want to be there will still be jams - and maybe they will blame it on that SS19/6 traffic light.

Wait...maybe all of this isnt working because the problem is traffic volume, not congestion.

In that case, the only real solution is ... wait for it ... mass transit - but LRT takes 5 years to build - so the only solution is ... wait for it .... public transport

by the way we should probably merge this thread with the other one on the traffic changes.

Cheers, m

xweird
28-04-2009, 12:30 PM
The problem is Federal Highway... it's too overcongested.

We need alternative routes out of SJ towards PJ/KL. NPE is one, KESAS is another. But once we pay the toll we get stuck in another jam. And that's why people still like to use FH even though it's super congested...

We need hard solutions. Implement congestion tax... car pooling incentives... improve public transportation... what else?

chsum
28-04-2009, 01:24 PM
quote by allurban

just get rid of the median and make the road 1 way in the morning and 1 way at night. Then you have 6 lanes.

quote by xweird

We need alternative routes out of SJ towards PJ/KL. NPE is one, KESAS is another.

ayoo...u make 10 lanes also jam lah, why?

ayoo...sj, usj aledi have 5 highways surrounding it, how many more u want?

lets list out all the solutions

1) mass transit - but LRT takes 5 years to build cost 4bil - wait for it
2) public transport - more buses? - sj, usj ppl take bus or not?
3) Implement congestion tax - how may u suggest?
4) car pooling incentives - how?
5) More highways - how many more?
6) Fiddle with traffic volume
a) Work start at 10am in KL?
b) School starts at 10am?
7) Mother of all round about in SJ & USJ

no matter what we do, all the above are only temporary solution, they will help clear up the traffic for a while then all ppl south of usj will say, hey no jam, lets save toll n use the only exit to the only free highway in this whole country, then we r back to square one.
The only permanant solution to this problem is LIFT ALL TOLLS ON ALL THE HIGHWAYS(ok not all, maybe one or two will do). then u get heaven on earth.

my traffic sense

CCY
28-04-2009, 01:30 PM
The problem is Federal Highway... it's too overcongested.

We need alternative routes out of SJ towards PJ/KL. NPE is one, KESAS is another. But once we pay the toll we get stuck in another jam. And that's why people still like to use FH even though it's super congested...

We need hard solutions. Implement congestion tax... car pooling incentives... improve public transportation... what else?

An alternate to a flyover is to Optimized the traffic volume throughput by dynamically adapting to the changing traffic volume using existing traffic light would be achievable .

Would you accept the condition that there may not be a solution in the morning out to the FH ..which is at saturating traffic condition ..?

What about you coming into usj in the evening..? Oh...at 4.30pm it is starting to pile up. Where is the response to this demand , of the traffic timing at Murni ...fixed it at 120secs. out of 180sec cycle..?
Would this work during a public holiday in a weekday?
Would this work when a Saturday is a replacement schooldays?

Note that there isn't any saturated traffic condition during the period , sometimes maybe into usj.
By having prefixed timing for today should be over.

MasterQ
28-04-2009, 02:55 PM
Traffic change in Persiaran Murni USJ w.e.f 1st May 2009.

This change is only temporarily and members of the public are most welcome to provide
constructive criticisms and suggestions on how best to arrive at a solution that best serves
road users and residents.

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr120/ypchoon/Proposedtrafficflow.jpg

chsum
28-04-2009, 04:19 PM
errr...master q ah, no cut n paste lah, or else the one eye man will send u to banana land...

my banana sense

munamu
28-04-2009, 05:18 PM
How about the bottleneck after SS19 t/light? i.e crissed-crossing from Jalan Tujuan/ From Persiaran Kewajipan to Glenmarie vice-versa, traffic from the NPE flyover and the infamous jammed of Federal Highway.. which also contributes to the jammed ...

chsum
28-04-2009, 06:09 PM
quote from munamu

How about the bottleneck after SS19 t/light? i.e crissed-crossing from Jalan Tujuan/ From Persiaran Kewajipan to Glenmarie vice-versa, traffic from the NPE flyover and the infamous jammed of Federal Highway.. which also contributes to the jammed ...

ahem...i will answer that for ikram mpsj, that is out of our jurisdiction, u will ave to talk to MHA (previously under sammi, now under who ah?)

my jam sense

chsum
29-04-2009, 05:27 PM
hmmm..not alot of ppl interested at the traffic change, wait till 1/5 when the traffic get worse than they will complain.

my traffic sense

kwchang
30-04-2009, 12:18 AM
For cars going North (from USJ12 heading towards Federal Highway) -
Notice that the Persiaran Perpaduan junction will be converted to an ALL STOP junction - this is going to be dangerous as drivers used to this junction are going to fly pass the red lights thinking that they have the right of way like before. Sometimes I have even seen rogue drivers ignoring the red lights at the Persiaran Murni junction.

MasterQ
30-04-2009, 02:19 AM
Chang is right to forsee a catastrophe happening here where those who are ignorant of the change will just fly pass the red lights thinking that they have the right of way like before. Six months ago after resurfacing the road at this spot, the road contractor wrongly painted a straight bold white line across the road which meant that traffic will come to a complete stop here when the lights turn red. Three cars over a period of 2 hours just did that and had their back smashed from behind. On the very same day, the contractor was summoned back to erase off the white line. So those who bothered to stop here when the lights turn red, watch out for your back.

ksc8813
30-04-2009, 11:57 AM
Why ban the U-turn at Murni junction and divert the traffic into USJ4/5?
Am sure majority of those making U-turn are not residents of USJ3 & 4 but residents of USJ2 and are making their way toward Federal Highway. Diverting will clog up the all exit junctions in the area as exiting is already near impossible especially USJ3 junction if without the assistance of traffic police.

Fabe18
30-04-2009, 12:38 PM
I never bothered to use this route in the morning between 7:30 to 9:00. I'd rather use the ELITE and NKVE to go to my office in Kelana Jaya. Pay RM2.30 but burn less fuel and not waste time.
However, after 9:00am, i would use this route to go FH.

The bottleneck is the SS19 traffic. it creates a stop-go traffic pulse/wave that causes the backlog. After the traffic light, traffic is smooth aledi.

However, there's also the occasional jam between the NPE flyover and the FH exit. congestion caused by cars coming from SS19 joining right before the bridge bottle neck (4 lanes -> 2 lanes). I have never join in the jam as I would turn off left up the slope towards the big 'Daytona' round turn and then join back the FH KL bound exit.. It maybe be longer in distance but at least it's smooth driving..

CCY
30-04-2009, 01:12 PM
Fabe... You're right in identifying the bottle neck to be at ss19 traffic light in the morning. Then where the hell is this damming consideration and is there a cause to close the u-turn at the Murni junction , if not mistaken, every day until 9.30am, public holidays included ?

Another observation would be a condition where traffic from Persiaran Murni would be hard pressed to cross over and merge into Tujuan as it is likely to be clogged before the light turns green.
Those from usj2 ,5, 6 or users of Persiaran murni.....Good luck...in the morning. That 30secs added to straight through Tujuan traffic towards ss19 might be the killer.
Note that overall it will be worse off than not changing , especially with Perpaduan being an all stop junction now. The jam would likely be shifted to Perpaduan than at Murni.

AllUrban
30-04-2009, 01:40 PM
I never bothered to use this route in the morning between 7:30 to 9:00. I'd rather use the ELITE and NKVE to go to my office in Kelana Jaya. Pay RM2.30 but burn less fuel and not waste time.
However, after 9:00am, i would use this route to go FH.

The bottleneck is the SS19 traffic. it creates a stop-go traffic pulse/wave that causes the backlog. After the traffic light, traffic is smooth aledi.

However, there's also the occasional jam between the NPE flyover and the FH exit. congestion caused by cars coming from SS19 joining right before the bridge bottle neck (4 lanes -> 2 lanes). I have never join in the jam as I would turn off left up the slope towards the big 'Daytona' round turn and then join back the FH KL bound exit.. It maybe be longer in distance but at least it's smooth driving..There is no bottleneck at SS19 - A bottleneck exists where a road goes from wide to narrow - at the federal highway, for example.

SS19 is a traffic junction designed to allow the people of SS19 to get into and out of SS19. They have only got two roads to get in and out....

I guess they should just have built the bridge over KESAS all the way past the SS19 junction - kind of like the one that they recently built at Bandar Puteri in Puchong.

The bridge over KESAS and the SS19 flats are higher up than the junction itself and it would have been easier to drive if the bridge had been extended - then people bound for SS19 could move more easily.

Now they are looking at building a fly-under - the real solution is to build the bridge the right way, the first time.

Who knows, maybe they will rebuild the bridge after they open the Batu Tiga connection to USJ.

In the meantime, we should call on the ADUN and MPSJ to get the north part of the second link (Subang Kelana Link) opened up for access by cars - so there are fewer cars entering the bottleneck at the Federal Highway.

Cheers, m

Fabe18
30-04-2009, 05:32 PM
There is no bottleneck at SS19 - A bottleneck exists where a road goes from wide to narrow - at the federal highway, for example.

SS19 is a traffic junction designed to allow the people of SS19 to get into and out of SS19. They have only got two roads to get in and out....



oops.. yes, bottleneck is not the right term. and yes, the traffic light is for residents of SS19 to go in and out, so it can't be 'deleted' just like that. This has been discussed before in the past, so it isn't something new. Which also means the traffic problems wouldn't be solved by this little trial traffic 'restructuring'...

However, perhaps a long green light duration at the SS19 junction for the traffic heading out of USJ can be extended at peak hours to reduce the backlog in USJ itself. Did IKRAM take this into consideration during the traffic survey? And ideally, this traffic light should work in harmony with the traffic light at the Persiaran Murni junction. I believe both traffic lights are now working independently.
To do this properly, you'll need a traffic flow simulation software to simulate traffic flow from various junctions along this stretch. I'm curious to know whether IKRAM has such software to do the job. Or is there such software in this country. I've seen simulation software like that being used to study traffic flow on TV documentaries. So it's not a fantasy sofware.

CCY
30-04-2009, 06:14 PM
oops.. yes, bottleneck is not the right term. and yes, the traffic light is for residents of SS19 to go in and out, so it can't be 'deleted' just like that. This has been discussed before in the past, so it isn't something new. Which also means the traffic problems wouldn't be solved by this little trial traffic 'restructuring'...


I see the ss19 traffic getting out to tujuan can be smooth if a proper merging lane is provided. As it is now , all would practically bulldoze their way out to the main road or wait for another allocated traffic time to get out.

Why not have proper merging lane like at the u-turn overpass area of ss19..? The key is to smoothen the flow and do not have to stop to get into Tujuan . It is no point having 3 or 4 lanes if these simple kinks are not iron out or provided.
I would say into n out of Usj needed , only 2 lanes , unimpeded lanes with proper merging n exiting lanes would solve the jam prob.

ivanhow
01-05-2009, 11:40 PM
I thot that with VSS, more ppl will be staying at home than going to beat the jams in the morning. But now, it seems like more ppl are actually on the road in the morning 7~9am. I was out on the road at abt 8am, to hit P. Tujuan from USJ4 and noticed the jam was just so bad (had not been travelling along this stretch around this time), and so it stretched all the way to the F/H'way.
And it did not end there, but all the way till past B.Sunway Cable Bridge, and onto S/Way and Exit to Old Klang Road.

Surprise!!! Surprise???
When the SS19 Flyover was completed, residents in SJ and USJ were led to believe that the days of traffic congestion will be over, and traffic jams will be history. No?

And so, it appears like we were back to square-one, dealing with traffic jams all over again?

Let's look at the symptoms and the causes before coming up with a solution that is just going to move bottle necks from one spot to another. Me just wonder if there were any thought or brainstorming when coming up with this 'temporary' solution? Might be we were not aware. If there is, let's hear from the participants of the storming sessions. What were the causes, and what were the rational for coming up with such a 'temporary' solution.

1. Is it the bottle-necks at the F/H'way that blows back to SJ/USJ?
2. Is it the volume of traffic increase coming from the NPE into F/H'way that flooded the F/H'way and congesting the main arterial road (Pers.Tujuan)

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3. Is it due to an increase in traffic from Putra Heights coming into USJ and then to F/H'way via SJ?
4. Is it due to an increase in traffic from within USJ ? :confused:
What are we trying to solve here?
a. To ease the traffic congestion due to increase in traffic volume? :cool:
b. To ease traffic congestion due to the blow-back from the F/H'way? :(
c. To simply ease traffic congestion anyhow it can? :eek:
d. To do something, hoping we will hit the jackpot by luck? :p

ivanhow
02-05-2009, 09:09 AM
just get rid of the median and make the road 1 way in the morning and 1 way at night. Then you have 6 lanes.

Oh, want to be there will still be jams - and maybe they will blame it on that SS19/6 traffic light.

Wait...maybe all of this isnt working because the problem is traffic volume, not congestion.


Cheers, m

Hi M, with due respect, why do you think this will work?
You think it is wise to convert Psn Tujuan into an 6-lane ExpressWay?
Might as well remove all the traffic lights along the way... to increase the traffic flow rate. Why increase the flow rate, when the flow rate at the exit to F/H'way is the limiting factor?


Hmm.. Gut feel is, it isn't not going to work... Pretty obvious isn't it? If you were to take time off to observe the situation at the morning peak hours, you will notice that the congestion at the exit to F/H'way is a contributing factor to the traffic snarl at Psn Tujuan in the morning.

Some authority (preferrebly MPSJ) needs to determine whether the traffic volume from SJ/USJ had increased or whether traffic from NPE/Sunway and Puchong/PH/SA/Kesas had increased into USJ and SJ as a pass-through before making any changes or recommendations. Have they? Cannot deny that they sincerely want to improve the traffic situation in SJ/USJ, and that is a visible change (of the attitude of MPSJ) from the days of old. But, please have a proper study and a proper recommendation, so that the residents here can concur that they are doing their jobs and doing them effectively.

besitai2007
02-05-2009, 10:07 AM
Need another flyover to solve the problem? Speaking of flyovers, look at the new flyover going into Jalan Kewajipan and ending at the 3K complex. It is bringing more traffic to the Summit chaos. We actually need to solve the Summit multi-traffic lights problem not bring more traffic to it.

robertec
02-05-2009, 10:41 AM
Give the thing a try.. if it does not work out at least the changes are not permanent, besides they can still fine tune what they are doing.

Did any of you send your comments to MPSJ??

I quote from YB Hannah's email to SJ Alert members :

"Residents can send feedback to MPSJ throughout the month of May, just email them to Encik Mohd Ariffuddin of Engineering Department, MPSJ at mohd.ariffuddin@mpsj.gov.my "

I was driving through this morning and noticed quite a lot of MPSJ staff monitoring the situation, but as it is a Saturday and also a holiday weekend the real impact will only be realised on Monday.


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CCY
02-05-2009, 10:42 AM
And so, it appears like we were back to square-one, dealing with traffic jams all over again?

Let's look at the symptoms and the causes before coming up with a solution that is just going to move bottle necks from one spot to another. Me just wonder if there were any thought or brainstorming when coming up with this 'temporary' solution? Might be we were not aware. If there is, let's hear from the participants of the storming sessions. What were the causes, and what were the rational for coming up with such a 'temporary' solution.


1. Is it the bottle-necks at the F/H'way that blows back to SJ/USJ? Yes.......exactly..

2. Is it the volume of traffic increase coming from the NPE into F/H'way that flooded the F/H'way and congesting the main arterial road (Pers.Tujuan) Not really but it does contribute to some slowing of moving gradual merging traffic...



3. Is it due to an increase in traffic from Putra Heights coming into USJ and then to F/H'way via SJ? Probable but have to admit that whether they add to or not depends on the FH which is normally congested...

4. Is it due to an increase in traffic from within USJ ? :confused:
What are we trying to solve here? Nothing....because the destination FH is still heavilly congested...

a. To ease the traffic congestion due to increase in traffic volume? :cool:
b. To ease traffic congestion due to the blow-back from the F/H'way? :(
c. To simply ease traffic congestion anyhow it can? :eek:
d. To do something, hoping we will hit the jackpot by luck? :pAny poor soul would know that when your tummy is full you can't take in anymore...
Ivan.... Do you think something can be done to alleviate the misery in the evening....where you know the destination is not congested but being bottle-necked...if there's such a word..?

MasterQ
02-05-2009, 12:25 PM
I am more confident that the solution for the evening session is more effective as we need to send people back to their homes to be kissed by the wives in all parts of Subang Jaya and USJ ASAP. Remember, the congestion within Subang Jaya and part of USJ also resulted in the back flow of traffic into the Federal Highway in the evening.

As for the morning session, so long as the Federal Highwas is congested, pushing traffic any faster to the Federal Highway is not going to solve the congestion in this community. And also don't be too happy if the solution works very well if we continue to allow high rise structures to flourish when the existing road infrastructure cannot support the increased in traffic. We will arrive back to square one.

The Kelana Jaya link could help to flush out traffic straight to the old airport, Ara Damansara, Kelana Jaya, NKVE and even Glenmarie and Shah Alam. Don't just think that it will just dump traffic in front of the Subang Jaya Buddhist temple. Even if it does, the KESAS is just nearby to flush them out again rather quickly. So the Kelana Jaya link could be our saviour to ease out the Federal Highway crawl that is bottlenecking the Subang exit.

orchipalar
03-05-2009, 12:17 PM
Err buddies...for USJ2 residents who wants to get into Persiaran Tujuan to head to Subang Jaya...
or to the Federal Highway
or to NEP...
or to Glenmarie
or to Bt 3 Toll...
during morning peak hours...they usually have to make the U-Turn...
at Persiaran Murni - Persiaran Tujuan Traffic Light Junction...
BUT from now they can't...
because the U-Turn at that Juntion is no longer allowed during morning peak hours...

From now also...for those that would need to make the U-Turn...
wanting to get from USJ2...to USJ3 or USJ4...
during morning peak hours...are being hindered to do so...

Where do these USJ2 motorists go...?

They are left with no other options...
but to make U-Turns to worsen the jams at the Traffic Light Junctions of...
Persiaran Kewajipan - Persiaran Murni...(The Summit - Shell)
Persiaran Murni - Persiaran Bakti(USJ5/USJ6)...
Persiaran Tujuan - Persiaran Perpaduan...
Or worsen the jams at the Summit Interchange at USJ2...along Persiaran Kewajipan.

ONLY idiots can think they could reduce the macro traffic congestions
in USJ/Subang Jaya...by forbidding that freaking U-Turn at the Traffic Light
Junction of Persiaran Murni - Persiaran Tujuan...

Idiotic/selfish minds think alike like that...ALL the time.

AllUrban
03-05-2009, 01:10 PM
Hi M, with due respect, why do you think this will work?
You think it is wise to convert Psn Tujuan into an 6-lane ExpressWay?
Might as well remove all the traffic lights along the way... to increase the traffic flow rate. Why increase the flow rate, when the flow rate at the exit to F/H'way is the limiting factor?Sorry Ivanhow...actually I was being slightly sarcastic. Simple fact is that the traffic volume and the limited number of links to the federal highway is the problem here.

Ive spoken to the Star Metro columnist and asked her to find out why the 2nd link has not been opened up yet (the section from Pers. Kemajuan and over the federal highway) - because it would help to divert some traffic off of the federal highway.

Another thing is that people need to be aware that the PJS2 toll on the NPE has been removed - if some traffic can be diverted onto Old Klang road that would be very helpful.

Cheers, m

Fabe18
03-05-2009, 06:35 PM
Another thing is that people need to be aware that the PJS2 toll on the NPE has been removed - if some traffic can be diverted onto Old Klang road that would be very helpful.

Cheers, m
but to get to that 'toll-less' stretch, you'll have to enter from Federal Hiway after the LDP intersection.

MasterQ
04-05-2009, 02:05 AM
ONLY idiots can think they could reduce the macro traffic congestions
in USJ/Subang Jaya...by forbidding that freaking U-Turn at the Traffic Light
Junction of Persiaran Murni - Persiaran Tujuan...

Idiotic/selfish minds think alike like that...ALL the time.
You can say that again Orchi and this time add some freaking colours to your language. When I first saw the proposal by IKRAM (and who the hell is IKRAM) I just couldn't believe my eyes. Why fix something that ain't broken. What Orchi is saying is very true and I am afraid he will be on a warpath come Wednesday or Thursday or I am not surprised even Monday itself. Residents of USJ 3, 4 and 2 are screwed big time. SHELL and PETRONAS and specially the surrounding mon and pop shops at USJ 4 will not be pleased. All their customers are shooed away to the shops further away at Apollo/Casablanca row.

Did anyone of you notice the two miserable NO U-TURN signboards just 10 metre apart which contained the wordings where U-Turn are not allowed? Did you see how freaking .... sorry Orchi, need to borrow this copyrighted word from you ....... small. Of course the cute little green U-Turn lights will indicate when you can turn. I am a dooms day prophet. What if this little green U-Turn lights is not working?

What should have been done here is to address the issue that traffic from USJ heading towards the Federal Highway needs more GREEN. The better way to tackle this is to split the traffic light into 2 phases. Just allocate less GREEN for U-Turn. No need to sweep the U-turn traffic under the carpet at the Apollo Coffeeshop. I bet you this junction will be chaotic as people patronising those eateries and sundries shops there when exiting into Jalan Tujuan is going to criss cross the pathway of the increased traffic which are diverted to turn right here. And those who have been addicted to make U-Turns will make a U-Turn here at this junction where it is forbidden to do so. How are you going to enforce this?

I would also only agree on the ALL STOP proposal at the Jalan Tujuan with Jalan Perpaduan traffic lights if it is made a permanent feature 24 x 365. How can a very busy road such a Jalan Tujuan be subjected to Kedai Runcit operating hours? It should be like 7Eleven. And how are you going to enforce traffic by the hundreds travelling something like 70-90kmph to syiok syiok stop at certain hours while other time it is F1?

Let us see what happens on Monday morning and evening. If you see Orchi running amok, just get out of his way.

QuietStorm
04-05-2009, 07:50 AM
Let us see what happens on Monday morning and evening. If you see Orchi running amok, just get out of his way.It is already Monday morning! :eek: Let's see the report! Anyone?

chsum
04-05-2009, 07:58 AM
errr..someone still want to use the old u turn instead of the one further down.
no jam at 6.20am.

ur jam sense

QuietStorm
04-05-2009, 08:02 AM
no jam at 6.20am.From my experience, traffic builds up at about 6.35am. It's still a breeze at 6.20am. :)

blueginger
04-05-2009, 08:34 AM
OMG!!! :eek:
It took me 25 minutes to get pass the traffic lights turning right into SS19 while sending my kid to Lick Hung this morning..coming from SS17...usually it takes me no more than 10mins to school daily.
And usually there are traffic cops but this morning, ppl from MPSJ and the cops were just observing the chog-a-block and the !@#$ traffic light turns green for only about 1 minute then red again for another 10mins for traffic coming down from USJ :(

Got kid to school just in nick of time...sigh.. :mad:

cjk888
04-05-2009, 08:40 AM
The changes in traffic has helped me, from USJ 20, to sent my kid arriving at Lick Hung 10 minutes earlier than usual.

HTH
04-05-2009, 09:11 AM
This morning, it took me about 10 mins from USJ11 to NKVE - Subang interchange! And there was no jam on Fed Highway. (?)

tsd
04-05-2009, 09:54 AM
today at 8am, traffic looks quite clear from SS19 to federal highway... maybe the diversion works :)

CCY
04-05-2009, 10:00 AM
today at 8am, traffic looks quite clear from SS19 to federal highway... maybe the diversion works :)
It should work if the condition at the FH is favorable and timing at ss19 maximized for through traffic at the expense of those opposite turning to ss19/6...
It's still too early to make a conclusion that it works under variable traffic volumes over the day. As you know the timing is too dumb to response to that and how long would be the wait to get it right ....if ever.
Where's the intelligence to make that happen....to response accordingly to changes in traffic volumes?
Almost all new cars now comes with some sort of Variable Valve Timing ,DvvT...or whatever VT name ..etc..etc to increase efficiency.
Can Mpsj adopt such for all the traffic light....?

MasterQ
04-05-2009, 10:49 AM
I was coming out from Jalan Murni heading to Apollo Coffeeshop in USJ 4 for my favourite Hokkien Mee. Guess what? I can't turn into USJ 4 because MPSJ laid the orange cones from the Jalan Tujuan/Jalan Murni taffic lights all the way to where the turning is. Now I understand what they meant by a "dedicated lane" for all those USJ 3 and 4 residents who are unable to make the U-Turn at the traffic light to turn right here. But in order to create this lane, hundreds of cones have to be carefully placed at this whole stretch which I don't see it as a necessity. Why give these residents a 'orange cone welcome?" I just wonder how they are doing this everyday. I know what to suggest to Orchi when he blows his top - he can release his frustration by maulling down all the cones with his Pajero and make his day!!!

AllUrban
04-05-2009, 11:04 AM
but to get to that 'toll-less' stretch, you'll have to enter from Federal Hiway after the LDP intersection.yes and no - we already discussed the other option, going through PJS5....

But the point is, I dont think many people are aware that they can get access to Old Klang Road - if there were aware there would be a little bit less traffic on the Federal Highway.

Just as, if they would open the completed ramp of the Subang Kelana link and build the necessary 3rd link, fewer cars would be trying to enter the federal highway from Jalan Tujuan

Cheers, m

AllUrban
04-05-2009, 11:28 AM
It is already Monday morning! :eek: Let's see the report! Anyone?Here is the report as some might see it:

<strike>Bernama</strike> - A business owner and resident of USJ who goes by the name of "Orchipolar" has generated another controversy.

"Orchipolar" was detained by MPSJ enforcement officers and traffic police after driving a Mistubishi Pajero at full speed through an area clearly marked with orange traffic cones. He then proceeded to make a u-turn in full view of a "no u-turn sign" and in front of the police and enforcement officers - then stopped his Pajero in the middle of the road and got out and started hurling insults at the police and enforcement officers and throwing objects at the u-turn sign.

The senior police officer on the scene described it as a madhouse, saying that it took 15 officers to take "Orchipolar" down, many more than they had ever needed to arrest any rowdy Africans.

While "Orchipolar" was being detained by the officers he was clearly heard muttering under his breath at the stupidity of police, IKRAM, and MPSJ councillors - apparently his anger was in relation to the banning of the popular u-turn

The scene became even stranger when USJ residents, alerted through the SJ Alert SMS system, began showing up at the intersection, parking their cars haphazardly and causing massive traffic congestion. The impromptu association of residents began calling for the release of "Orchipolar"
The chants were led by a man called "Master Q" who was egging on the crowd with rapid-fire talking interspersed with more insults. He also described "Orchipolar" as the favourite "OCPD" of the USJ community. The current OCPD of Subang Jaya could not be reached for comment.

Police also could not explain why a slight Chinese man with 1 big red eye walked up to "Orchipolar" in the ensuing confusion and gave him a banana marked "for repeated and unnecessary use of the word "freaking".

Traders in the area were bemused by the whole event. Sabtu, a burger stand operator complained that the traffic congestions would make it hard for their customers to reach the shops. He then climbed on top of a haphazardly parked car and walked over the roofs of 15 other haphazardly parked cars to reach his burger stand.

<strike>Malaysiakini</strike> - The police again suppressed the right of the people to their freedom of movement on the roads by creating an extremely confusing situation at the intersection of Pers. Perpaduan and Pers. Murni in USJ. The online media was first at the scene and we know what truly happened so dont believe what you read in the MSM.

Puchong MP Gobind Singh Deo, whose constituency is nowhere nearby, showed up and started speaking about the rights of the people to free movement on the roads. Seputeh MP and Kinrara ADUN and Selangor EXCO Teresa Kok also showed up, remarked that she was really tired of all of the work she had to do, and then proceeded to started shoving the barriers away barehanded.

Subang Jaya ADUN Hannah Yeoh, when asked about the scene, began commenting about the attitude of Malaysians in general and USJ residents in particular - but no one in earshot complained. One resident said that there were few disagreements with Hannah Yeoh's comments because "let's face it, she is right. Also, because she is younger and cuter than our previous ADUN"

So those are your news reports. Apparently the event wasnt covered in the NST and the Star was at the MPSJ Council meeting.

Cheers, m

robertec
04-05-2009, 11:38 AM
I am not sure if KWChang will give you a Banana for posting "wholesale", the excellent copyrighted report from Bernama and Malaysiakini.

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kwchang
04-05-2009, 12:03 PM
I have heard about English dry humour ...
didn't know there is Canadian humour ? ;) :D

MasterQ
04-05-2009, 12:50 PM
But I think the above "reports" though it be humour must not assume the real name of these two reputable news sources. It can be trully misreported as true or what have you next. It should be Apanama and Malaysiaboleh.

Fabe18
04-05-2009, 01:00 PM
But I think the above "reports" though it be humour must not assume the real name of these two reputable news sources. It can be trully misreported as true or what have you next. It should be Apanama and Malaysiaboleh.
I would agree to that... Nanti kena sued...

kwchang
04-05-2009, 01:13 PM
Have struck out the names ... shall I give AllUrban a banana for posting a misleading article? I am sure a lot of you would have seen the humour, but we do have a fair share of naive readers whom we should protect

AllUrban
04-05-2009, 02:07 PM
Have struck out the names ... shall I give AllUrban a banana for posting a misleading article? I am sure a lot of you would have seen the humour, but we do have a fair share of naive readers whom we should protectguess I should have been far more circumspect...you see ladies and gentlemen, this is exactly why there are problems with the new media and why we need the Printing and Publication....er...the Publications and Printing ... er... you know what I mean.

Cheers, m


Dateline:

Malaysiaboleh - foreigner hounded by one-eyed man for misleading postings on community forum. Also accused of inciting hatred against orange cones, taking messages out of context, and assuming that he could actually recreate Canadian humour.

tupai
04-05-2009, 03:42 PM
guess I should have been far more circumspect...you see ladies and gentlemen, this is exactly why there are problems with the new media and why we need the Printing and Publication....er...the Publications and Printing ... er... you know what I mean.

Cheers, m

hahahahahahha...this is really making my monday blues into a rainbow!!!
:D :D

Thank guys!

Yang Bursting&rolling laughters latotupai

MasterQ
04-05-2009, 04:16 PM
Well, we can forgive our kweilo friend for diverting our Monday blues to Tuesday. Forget about apologising to Bernama and Malaysiakini. But I feel that he owes a thousand apologies to Orchipalar our forum icon. He has held the forum record of having a total posting of 15,077 as of today giving an average of 7.99 postings per day for the last 4 years! How can AllUrban misspelt our legendary forumer who is a sifu. But if our Orchipalar is what AllUrban is promoting him to be, who needs Tian Chua, Karpal Single or even Gobindeo Singh anymore. Bye bye Tian Chua, Karpal Singh and Gobindeo Singh. Hello Orchipalar our great hero.

AllUrban
04-05-2009, 06:57 PM
Hello Orchipalar our great hero.He's certainly my hero...even if I cannot spell his name correctly.

Im doing the best I can, just hoping to get him to come to TT again! :D

Cheers, m

HTH
05-05-2009, 09:27 AM
Back to the topic...
Took me about 15 mins from USJ11 to Toll Subang today. Reached Subang Toll at 8.05am. More traffic than yesterday, maybe because some were on extended holiday yesterday, but it was a smooth drive from SS19 all the way to Old Subang Airport road turn off. I can see Fed Highway jam started from the clock tower.

While in USJ, i noticed there were less cars (compared to yesterday) using the dedicated u-turn on Prsn. Tujuan. Maybe they used some other routes.

Blue Jasmine
05-05-2009, 10:31 AM
The changes in traffic has helped me, from USJ 20, to sent my kid arriving at Lick Hung 10 minutes earlier than usual.

this is one good reason why i eliminated lick hung and chee wen from my choices of school. is crazy jammess there. almost imposibble to go thru. chee wen is a tad better . but lick hung is insane. road so small. cars to many. so what the school is good or so called good. no jam no stress. :)

robertec
07-05-2009, 04:03 PM
I used the mentioned stretch this morning and it was quite smooth.

Am I to assume that everything is "A" okay?

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chsum
07-05-2009, 07:37 PM
err...I am ok with it (at the expense of ppl geting into lick hung), too early to tell if this system work, need abit of stress test (rain, car break down, FH jam up etc...) maybe orchi can act out all urban's prediction then we will see.

my jam sense

CCY
07-05-2009, 08:36 PM
As mention earlier that the bottleneck is at the SS19 traffic light , on condition the FH is clear , which is given more time per cycle and that did the trick. The other thing that helps is to barricade a lane for traffic to merge into tujuan smoothly.
Isn't it obvious that usj need only 2 free flowing lane with proper merging n exit lanes and not widen to 3 or 4 which actually not helping but compounding the problem?
Whatever it is that you see on the smoother flow , as what chsum says , is not tested in a deviated condition of the presumed fixed traffic timing and under these condition the whole scheme would screw up , just because it wasn't able to respond to such changes. It will never be able to solve the weakness if the traffic controllers is still using fixed pre-programmed mode of yesteryear's.

jan tomaswaki
07-05-2009, 09:36 PM
Please note that every one start work at 8-9am sure jam lah !! plan your trip.I go to work at 6.20am from USJ`14 and i reach KL ( BB walk by 6.45am)then i took look for my favorite makan stall -slurp!!! chee cheong fun,piping hot nasi lemak etc....Don't complain lah !!!Every way in this world would jam up at that hour.Don't believe me ??? See NewYork,Toronto,Sydney,Perth ,Singapore,Beijing,Hong Kong etc ... In Hong Kong monthly parking charges is RM5000 per month and another RM5000 for your home parking if i am not mistaken.malaysians are pamper lot,little things complain alot.

HTH
08-05-2009, 09:06 AM
Today, another smooth drive. Was at USJ11 around 8.02. Reached Subang Toll around 8.08! And at Fed Hwy, traffic started building up near the Old Airport road junction.

Despite no jam @FedHwy, some people still 'jump queue'. They kept to the left lane till the last possible moment and then swerved to the right, only to potong 1-2 cars...
Old habit die hard...

gtl
08-05-2009, 11:24 AM
since i go home to Subang once in a while, can anyone recommend the best route to take for a USJ2 resident if he/ she wants to go to federal highway?

ivanhow
11-06-2009, 08:16 AM
What is the status of the proposed changes?
Is this a done-deal arrangement?



The monitoring seems to have come to an end on 31st May, when the school holidays began.
In the two weeks that followed, ending this coming Sunday, has there been anything different? Any difference in the traffic scenario?

The MPSJ officials were very active during the first/second week of monitoring. Now, I hardly see any MPSJ officers around to monitor it.

YB Hannah Yeoh spoke at the USJRA dialog session after the USJRA BGM concluded on Saturday 30th May, asking for residents for feedback.


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It's probably good tome for feedback now.

superz
11-06-2009, 08:56 AM
perhaps we will feel the difference after the school holiday...it should be ending this week? traffic will perhaps return strain again...

chsum
11-06-2009, 01:07 PM
err.. Verdict, the traffic flow did improve for cars moving out of usj, can't say much for ppl trying to get into ss19, but is mpsj going to place the cones there every working day all year round? the cost of workman to do it, worth it? Let me enjoy the traffic jam free for the next few days or better, extend this holiday mode by implementing the 1 session school starts at 10am to 3pm, then we get heaven on earth.

my traffic sense

ivanhow
13-06-2009, 02:53 AM
My observation during the these two weeks is that although the schools are having a break, traffic seems to be congesting from SS19 Traffic Light Junction up to Pers. Murni Traffic Junction. This could have cause some residents to be unhappy, when taking a longer (timewise) detour to "New Apollo" just to make a U-Turn.

If this is what happens during school holidays, it could be worse during the school term when traffic flowing into SS19 from the North side gets the same amount of 'green' time or more compared to now. The traffic light junction at SS19 seems to be working hard to strike a balance between the school-heading traffic (during school peak hours) and the working population. Moving the school hours to begin at 10am might be a solution. But, that could take some time to work out as it would involve a big budget to make sure there are enough schools to cater for the single sessions.

Another observation is that when the CONES (and the MPSJ men) together with the traffic policemen were deployed, traffic flow seem to be much more orderly. But during these two weeks, the traffic flow seems a bit haphazard when they were not present.

So, it seems to me that without the presence of the policemen, traffic might be more chaotic. The traffic flow leaves much to be desired without them.

What other observations do we have?

ivanhow
02-07-2009, 04:49 AM
perhaps we will feel the difference after the school holiday...it should be ending this week? traffic will perhaps return strain again...

Any new observations on the outcome of the trial period and now that it is implemented by default?

ivanhow
02-07-2009, 04:54 AM
err.. Verdict, the traffic flow did improve for cars moving out of usj, can't say much for ppl trying to get into ss19, but is mpsj going to place the cones there every working day all year round? the cost of workman to do it, worth it? Let me enjoy the traffic jam free for the next few days or better, extend this holiday mode by implementing the 1 session school starts at 10am to 3pm, then we get heaven on earth.

my traffic sense
CHSUM, Realistically the CONES will no longer be there as you can now see. It is only on the 1 month trial period. Does this mean that the implementation 'by default' without the CONES does it just as well as without them?

ivanhow
02-07-2009, 05:23 AM
The evening traffic between 6:00pm and 7:00pm seems to blow-back all the way to the F/Hway. Obviously the Trial-Run didn't solve the problems.

What is causing this, CCY? 'Dumb' and 'Non-intelligent' SS19 traffic lights, or P.Murni traffic lights or both? The congestion of traffic into SS19 during peak after-school hours?
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The inflow rate greatly exceeds the outflow rate between the stretch of P.Tujuan at F/Hway intake till P.Murni? Any solution can be offered?

Should we bring these proposals (if any) up to MPSJ for another trial run just as what was done in May?

chsum
02-07-2009, 07:52 AM
err..ivan, a few cones r still at the traffic junction to prevent ppl from making u turn.
Morning traffic r better than b4, still u get the grid lock when traffic back up from ss19 as expected.
Evening still the same o, they did extent the green time for cars coming in to usj (u can see more cars pile up for getting out of usj), u can't do much as more ppl choose to come back at the same time (economy no good, work till 5 only, no overtime?)

things will change ones the economy picks up.

my traffic sense

ivanhow
02-07-2009, 02:29 PM
err..ivan, a few cones r still at the traffic junction to prevent ppl from making u turn.Blindme... :eek:

Morning traffic r better than b4, still u get the grid lock when traffic back up from ss19 as expected.
Evening still the same o, they did extent the green time for cars coming in to usj (u can see more cars pile up for getting out of usj), u can't do much as more ppl choose to come back at the same time (economy no good, work till 5 only, no overtime?)

things will change ones the economy picks up.

my traffic sense
Err... thot when economy get better, more ppl back to work with cars ??? :p
Just a note... when the traffic turns red at the north-bound Tujuan/Murni junction, some smart drivers will swerve into the service road alongside Tujuan, to bypass the traffic lights. Watch this...
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There were two more cars in front of this one that were also beating the traffic lights via the service road, all behind the truck.

khchew
02-07-2009, 02:39 PM
Blindme... :eek:

Err... thot when economy get better, more ppl back to work with cars ??? :p
Just a note... when the traffic turns red at the north-bound Tujuan/Murni junction, some smart drivers will swerve into the service road alongside Tujuan, to bypass the traffic lights. Watch this...


There were two more cars in front of this one that were also beating the traffic lights via the service road, all behind the truck.


But it is faster to line up at the traffic lights...

chsum
02-07-2009, 06:05 PM
thot when economy get better, more ppl back to work with cars ???

err...yup, don't u feel there r less car on the road now?


Just a note... when the traffic turns red at the north-bound Tujuan/Murni junction, some smart drivers will swerve into the service road alongside Tujuan, to bypass the traffic lights.

err...yup, those smart alac in a hurry will try anything, nothing much u n me can do untill they run someone over, not necess will b faster as it depends on the traffic condition at the exit point back onto jln tujuan.

my traffic sent

Jennylim
03-07-2009, 04:50 PM
Before May it was 40 minutes to get to Lick Hung, now it is less than 14 minutes, sometimes less than 10 minutes. I like to thank whoever responsible for this. It has been 13 years since I last have smooth traffic like this.

ivanhow
04-07-2009, 07:42 PM
Before May it was 40 minutes to get to Lick Hung, now it is less than 14 minutes, sometimes less than 10 minutes. I like to thank whoever responsible for this. It has been 13 years since I last have smooth traffic like this.
Hi Jenny, :) I presume you are referring to the morning hours North bound out from USJ into SS19. If your numbers are anything to go by, it is definately a plus and if it helps in overall traffic flow then we should all be for it.

How about evening from F/Hway into USJ ?

Heard of MPSJ or IKRAM doing any sort of traffic survey on this stretch? Maybe they can post the results of their survey here for us all to see.

new3
13-07-2009, 06:02 PM
In the evening, the green light interval has increased to 170 sec at J11 traffic light (Federal Highway - USJ direction) between 5:30pm to 8:00pm. But after 8:00pm, it reverts back to 60 seconds. That it when the traffic starts to accumulate and back log all the way to Fed Highway. Although there are not many cars going out to Fed Highway as compared to those returning home from KL/PJ after long days work, the green light seems to give priority to the wrong direction. I have called MPSJ hotline many times to complain, but all they can tell u is that "Traffic punya timing sudah fixed, tuan". Finally when I called again last Wednesday, the hotline operator ask me to call Encik Kamarul (h/p: 012-2505794) directly for any traffic complaints. En. Kamarul said he will try to help, but the last few days have been the same after 8pm...crawling in from before Fed. Highway. I need more voices here from those in the same predicaments. Hopefully, the more people calling him, the faster he acts. Thanks.

birdy
14-07-2009, 08:20 AM
Where are all the MPSJ people... I still remember it was like a big operation on 1st week of May when they started this. Now, can't see the people, not even the cone! Is this the way the do thing - Hangat-hangat tahi? :mad: They almost screwed up the traffic at the USJ3/USJ4 exit. Luckily the police is now back on duty. :mad:

chsum
14-07-2009, 12:25 PM
err..birdy, don't lah get angry so fast, mpsj aledi stated it will be a 1 month trial, after that revert back to normal (err...almost normal).
What puzzel me is no one who was force to make the u-turn further up complained? other than that, it was smooth sailing for me as it usually take me 15min to 30mins to get out if usj now takes me 10-15mins tops.

err..news3, ya, u r right, will help u call that guy to change the timing.

my traffic cents