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thelaw48
22-04-2009, 12:22 PM
Dear USJ Residences,

Has anybody receive the Indah Water lawyer's letter asking for payment? Do anyone know how in the first place Indah Water get us involved whereby I do not remember signing any contract with Indah Water. Are we residences obligated to pay this fee?

I remember I have asked this question before when the previous govern was king. I hope the present govern could explain. I always feel that the MPSJ is more appropriate to charge us instead of us to pay to a third party.

Thelaw

bslee
22-04-2009, 12:30 PM
This question have appeared in the past and its a dead end solution. USJ forumers have sort of keeping mum and no practical solutions for you to evade paying up. There's NOTHING so far the rakyat can do to reverse or overule the act in place which Indah Water will win over the debtor in court.
Take it as the gahmen have screwed everyone up on this matter.
Its issues and its inherent complications like this that you're actually on your own to decide the next course of action or expect obvious consequences. (errr.. nearly every rakyat are on their own anyway!)
You and everyone else that received the bill MUST pay, like it or not..
Malaysia for I, you and all!.. THEY DECIDE FOR YOU...you don't have a choice.

fRaNkY
22-04-2009, 01:56 PM
I asked myself, should one day, my t a h i tangki full and I call them... will they come and empty it, if I dont pay?

:D

avusblue
22-04-2009, 02:53 PM
©The Star (Used by permission)
By Meera Vijayan

JOHOR BARU: Sewage management company Indah Water Konsortium Sdn Bhd (IWK) is the main polluter of rivers in Peninsular Malaysia.

Describing the situation as “very bad,” Natural Resources and Environment Minister Datuk Seri Azmi Khalid said that IWK had not done its job anywhere it operated.

“Ninety one percent of pollution of rivers in the country is from inadequately-treated sewage,” he said.

There are some 17 rivers in the country that have been classified as critically polluted, of which three are in Johor – the Sungai Seget, Sungai Skudai and Sungai Tebrau.

Azmi said his ministry had already notified Water, Energy and Communications Minister Datuk Seri Dr Lim Keng Yaik about the situation.

“It is now their duty to find a solution,” he said when asked if his ministry had recommended any action be taken against IWK.

He was speaking to reporters at a press conference after handing over a RM100,000 cheque to Johor Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman towards the state disaster fund.

“To be very blunt, IWK has failed to do complete treatment of the sewage and they are the main culprits,” Abdul Ghani added.

When reached, an IWK spokesman declined to comment.


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So we're paying them to do this to the environment?

I refrain from paying them. I'm waiting to see what happens.

patrick
22-04-2009, 06:58 PM
[QUOTE=avusblue]©The Star (Used by permission)
By Meera Vijayan

JOHOR BARU: Sewage management company Indah Water Konsortium Sdn Bhd (IWK) is the main polluter of rivers in Peninsular Malaysia.

Describing the situation as “very bad,” Natural Resources and Environment Minister Datuk Seri Azmi Khalid said that IWK had not done its job anywhere it operated.

“Ninety one percent of pollution of rivers in the country is from inadequately-treated sewage,” he said.

There are some 17 rivers in the country that have been classified as critically polluted, of which three are in Johor – the Sungai Seget, Sungai Skudai and Sungai Tebrau.

Azmi said his ministry had already notified Water, Energy and Communications Minister Datuk Seri Dr Lim Keng Yaik about the situation.

“It is now their duty to find a solution,” he said when asked if his ministry had recommended any action be taken against IWK.

He was speaking to reporters at a press conference after handing over a RM100,000 cheque to Johor Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman towards the state disaster fund.

“To be very blunt, IWK has failed to do complete treatment of the sewage and they are the main culprits,” Abdul Ghani added.

When reached, an IWK spokesman declined to comment.



Perhaps we should get together and bill Indah Water for polluting our rivers and environment? What say you??

smoothead
22-04-2009, 08:21 PM
thelaw48 is still waiting for an answer, and I am sure there are others too... anyone...?

bslee
22-04-2009, 08:21 PM
I could think mostly, if any agency or gahmen arm fails in any manner so to speak, the rakyat can achieve NOTHING!. This is Malaysia, the judicial process may work against your objectives. Obtaining absolute proof against them is anoher matter. I reckon the minister's statement could be just another accusation.
Just like the rogue taxi problem which the board themselves admitted failure to address the long standing problem, what can the rakyat do... sue them?


thelaw48 is still waiting for an answer...anyone.....?
Comments yes. Solution NONE. There's NO solution for us mere mortals. Blunt truth is pay up or else. You can bet the law works against you debtors in this case.
The rakyat voted for this regime and gave them the mandate. They drew up an act for IWK to levy charges for sewerage. Period!

wern90
22-04-2009, 09:38 PM
My parents refuse to pay...

tsd
22-04-2009, 11:38 PM
at the end I give up, I paid. They have all the time, we dont.

ahtal68
23-04-2009, 02:08 AM
Yeah, I cowed too, got the lawyer letter last week and paid.

USJ27Resident
23-04-2009, 02:46 AM
wondering out aloud.... just how many don't pay ... :confused:

bslee
23-04-2009, 10:15 AM
Regardless pay or not, you'd be billed anyhow and builds up. Perhaps when it reaches a substantial amount, you could be sued. Yep, they have the upper hand, the court rules to their favor and you can achieve NOTHING. Its even likely if they're winded up, dissolved or go bust, someone will take over (someone HAVE to do process the sewage treatment anyhow), the house owner have to pay up. Take it as we're all screwed on this issue, nothing more to be said.
Sorry I'm negative on this but I think its a fact and another burden imposed without any agreement nor consultation. Only the Almighty knows what else they can think of whacking you out of your earnings.

MickeyM
23-04-2009, 10:34 AM
i received their lawyer's letter 2 days ago demanding full payment. i tried to pay partially thru post office but was rejected.

under this economic situation, can't they just accept gradual settlement to pay off the whole lump sum of RM570.00 within 5 months?

Weezy
23-04-2009, 11:02 AM
i think that the problem is the lack of proper information and maybe not the best way to structure the service.

IWK is providing an essential service for water treatment (whether they have operating issues of pollute the rivers). because most people do not see that they benefit directly they do not see why they should pay directly. this service is a cost to the whole community and it cannot be provided free. in other countries, its tied up with the water bill (dats why its a lot more expensive than ours) ppl have no choice but to pay or face cutoff.

currently, this company is operating at a loss (in millions per year) with government loans supporting it due to the high operating costs and the revebue collection issues. if the lawyers dun come chase, ppl just wun pay it... and there will be excuses. company bungkus, then govt loan default. in addition, the govt will pay more money to either buy over or help another company to takeover... money is also from our tax money... and we are all even poorer.

anyhow.... its selfish to say that you dun wanna pay becos it takes away their income. so if no one pays, who will pay for the service? cant imagine ppl wanna live with **** all over.... we will become even more 3rd world than we are.

pay instalments for an outstanding debt? they have high cost of borrowings too... who is going to help them service their debts?? how will they manage their cash flow??

IWK illustrates people's attitude towards the environment, the community and selfishness... that none of it is their problem.

bslee
23-04-2009, 11:22 AM
The state government blatantly passed the burden of cost to home owners, relieving them of the responsibility. That was it. No consultation, No agreement, it was a dictatorial act. Could it be your former MB is answerable to whats happened?.

patrick
23-04-2009, 11:39 AM
The state government blatantly passed the burden of cost to home owners, relieving them of the responsibility. That was it. No consultation, No agreement, it was a dictatorial act. Could it be your former MB is answerable to whats happened?.

Correct me but I dont think it was a State Act. I think it was under the National Act passed in parliament.

pucman
23-04-2009, 12:20 PM
i received their lawyer's letter 2 days ago demanding full payment. i tried to pay partially thru post office but was rejected.

under this economic situation, can't they just accept gradual settlement to pay off the whole lump sum of RM570.00 within 5 months?

A guy in a motorbike from a lawyer company just came to my house demanding to go into my house and take photographs and demanding payment at first.

Then he just gave warning and handed me the lawyer letter.

Can anyone tell me whether we are supposed to pay this full amount ?

smoothead
23-04-2009, 12:25 PM
This IWK issue...if I am not mistaken, I think there were two other companies (the first one of them is the Berjaya group), before the govt. took over, who gave up after people refuses to pay for the purported services that IWK say they provide to you.

And correct me again if I am wrong, I also recalled some time ago that some people were taken to court but they won the case as IWK failed to proved that they provided the services as stated in their bill.

pucman
23-04-2009, 12:38 PM
And correct me again if I am wrong, I also recalled some time ago that some people were taken to court but they won the case as IWK failed to proved that they provided the services as stated in their bill.

Do you know these people personally ? If that's the case, we can prove that certain people won.

patrick
23-04-2009, 12:41 PM
A guy in a motorbike from a lawyer company just came to my house demanding to go into my house and take photographs and demanding payment at first.

Then he just gave warning and handed me the lawyer letter.

Can anyone tell me whether we are supposed to pay this full amount ?

Lawyer or no lawyer, no one has a right to demand to enter your house!

Let me share with you what a friend did. He didnt pay. After a long, long time, he gets a lawyer's letter. Then he makes part payment. Everything is quiet. Everything goes back to normal. Then after a long time, he gets another lawyers letter. He does the same thing. Maybe you want to try that? ;-)

dondon
23-04-2009, 01:26 PM
I also received the same kind of letter (lawyer letter to bring u to court) few months back. I just ignore the letter and throw it into trash bin.

The amount of money was accumulated before I was shifted in to this house. Which means the previous owner do not pay to Indah Water for do not how long.

Why should I pay for the previous owner and why should we pay if we do not even sign any contract with Indah Water ???

I would suggest to consult ur own lawyer (lawyer friends) if u hv one, when u feel reluctant to settle this payment. If u r too worry and can't sleep well then pay lor. :)

wern90
23-04-2009, 03:27 PM
Me thinks MPSJ should pay. what are the assessment rate for? Anyone know?

pucman
23-04-2009, 07:14 PM
Lawyer or no lawyer, no one has a right to demand to enter your house!

;-)


He showed me this certificate wrapped in paper that he has the right to enter a house, inspect the sewerage, take photo and demand payment upright.

I was shocked as this is the first time I saw such a thing.

pucman
23-04-2009, 07:16 PM
Me thinks MPSJ should pay. what are the assessment rate for? Anyone know?

Before Indah water, the assessment fees do cover sewerage.

Rm 8 is just too high, whether one person use or 20 person use, we still have to pay this amount ? :mad:

At least water and electricity is based on consumption and not a fixed amount.

smoothead
23-04-2009, 08:33 PM
Do you know these people personally ? If that's the case, we can prove that certain people won.

No, sorry I do not know these people, but, it was reported in the newspapers some time back, about a couple of years back.

I think someone in the government, some minister if I am not wrong, also many moons ago, said they will ask the local councils to look into reducing the assessment to take into account the payments rate payers pay to IWK.

Of course, all these, as in many things that come out of some of our minister's mouths, are all talk only.

kwchang
23-04-2009, 09:29 PM
..Rm 8 is just too high, whether one person use or 20 person use, we still have to pay this amount ? :mad:

At least water and electricity is based on consumption and not a fixed amount.Actually, the original plan was tied to the amount of water used in each household. If your water bill was higher, you get charged more for sewerage services and it was billed together with the water bill.

That was a reasonable system because if you use more water, you put more into the sewer for them to clean. However, as usual, the population just wanted to complain. After a lot of complaints, they came up with this one rate system.

Did you know that in the UK, they also charge rates based on the amount of water consumed per household? That was the polls tax in the late 90's - probably not related to sewerage disposal but some additional payment levied on the population. Of course, nobody liked it and it made Margaret Thatcher quite unpopular

bslee
23-04-2009, 09:38 PM
I read it was otherwise. IWK won 2 cases, think it was in the last 2 years, which the court ordered the defendants to pay up.

pucman
24-04-2009, 08:22 AM
Can any lawyers here confirm that indah water appointed lawyers can just enter into anybody house and take photos/demand payment etc ?

Or can we call the police ?

blurrman
24-04-2009, 09:25 AM
pucman,
no one can force entry your house without a court order.


the landmark case, "Indah Water Consortium Sdn Bhd v Yong Kon Fatt" , if i am not mistaken, is still pending, the case has been flipped and turned, the defendant is currently being represented by YB D Ngeh. More info from here

http://www.dapmalaysia.org/english/2007/july07/bul/bul3348.htm

and

http://nakedeyeview.com.my/seweragemain.htm


On Jan. 14, 2007, The Star reported another court case also in Ipoh with the headline: "No payment for services not provided, court tells IWK”, as mentioned by nakedeyeview.com.my

more info from google
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=uqp&q=%22Yong+Kon+Fatt%22&btnG=Search&meta=

avusblue
24-04-2009, 03:30 PM
currently, this company is operating at a loss (in millions per year) with government loans supporting it due to the high operating costs and the revebue collection issues. if the lawyers dun come chase, ppl just wun pay it... and there will be excuses. company bungkus, then govt loan default. in addition, the govt will pay more money to either buy over or help another company to takeover... money is also from our tax money... and we are all even poorer.


Then they really should stop paying for those tv commercials showing 3 guys (as required by the muhibbah law, one malay, one indian, one chinese) sitting at the coffee shop and talking about IWK and how good they are and reminding people to pay their bills. Cause the commercial just don't do anything for me or make me wanna pay my bill. Especially after reading that they're the #1 polluter of rivers.