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kensu
17-04-2009, 08:28 PM
Hello

Advice on Water Filter.... couldn't find the earlier thread on this.

Anyway, went to Bacfree to check out their water filter.. Seems to be good with the stainless steel casing but a little pricey though.

Hope for some referneces or alternatives !!!

Thanks :o

birdy
18-04-2009, 05:25 AM
I have just installed Wateq filters. It comes with external membrane filter type (slimmer and smaller - can fix onto the wall) and internal 6 energy water filtering system. The cost is RM1,900. Have been using for 3 months, no complains with the product. :)

Feynman
18-04-2009, 12:45 PM
I've been using Panasonic filter (model PJ-5RF, I think) for more than 7 years. Bought it at around RM120. Cheap and good.

I change the filter cartridge once every year, cost RM39 only. Can buy from Jusco, or any hypermarket.

So far, I'm happy with it. Filtered water is clear and clean, no chlorine smell.

kensu
18-04-2009, 09:52 PM
HaHA

Thanks guys... for the diverse difference..
:)

siewdanny
18-04-2009, 11:36 PM
Hello

Advice on Water Filter.... couldn't find the earlier thread on this.

Anyway, went to Bacfree to check out their water filter.. Seems to be good with the stainless steel casing but a little pricey though.

Hope for some referneces or alternatives !!!

Thanks :o

Have been using Bacfree since 2005, they provide good service. When my contractor did a shoddy job of the pipes externally, they sent their own 'uncle' over to redirect the pipes (additional materials used) at no cost to me. Just came quietly, got the job done and cabut. When I called Bacfree the next day to enquire what are the charges, they told me it is free and also part of their service to their clients.

Aunty M
18-04-2009, 11:42 PM
Whatever the filter, try with cut apples (without skin).... washed and soaked in water for about 1 minute and then take out and leave in room temperature for about 1 hour. See how fast and how bad the apple turned color. If the apple is still nice, then the water quality is clean, bacteria free, full of oxygen (living water) and is good for cell too. There are some filters proven to be able to do this and some costly ones that can't even perform this simple method. I was told to use this method by a friend (from Taiwan) who has been in the water filter industry for about 20 years. There are dealers who uses hi-tech scientific instruments to impress, but they don't tell us that some water is soooo clean until it deprive our body from certain minerals that our body needs. On the long run, after 1 - 2 years of consuming this kind of soooooo clean water, people tend to get joint pain esp older ones. It doesn't matter how expensive the filter is, it the end results that counts, and at this point, better if comes with low maintenance as well.

kensu
19-04-2009, 05:51 PM
Whatever the filter, try with cut apples (without skin).... washed and soaked in water for about 1 minute and then take out and leave in room temperature for about 1 hour. See how fast and how bad the apple turned color. If the apple is still nice, then the water quality is clean, bacteria free, full of oxygen (living water) and is good for cell too. There are some filters proven to be able to do this and some costly ones that can't even perform this simple method. I was told to use this method by a friend (from Taiwan) who has been in the water filter industry for about 20 years. There are dealers who uses hi-tech scientific instruments to impress, but they don't tell us that some water is soooo clean until it deprive our body from certain minerals that our body needs. On the long run, after 1 - 2 years of consuming this kind of soooooo clean water, people tend to get joint pain esp older ones. It doesn't matter how expensive the filter is, it the end results that counts, and at this point, better if comes with low maintenance as well.


Seems a good way to test yuor water even before the filter is installed
Thanx :)

jimijamison
20-04-2009, 11:17 PM
Whatever the filter, try with cut apples (without skin).... washed and soaked in water for about 1 minute and then take out and leave in room temperature for about 1 hour. See how fast and how bad the apple turned color. If the apple is still nice, then the water quality is clean, bacteria free, full of oxygen (living water) and is good for cell too. There are some filters proven to be able to do this and some costly ones that can't even perform this simple method. I was told to use this method by a friend (from Taiwan) who has been in the water filter industry for about 20 years. There are dealers who uses hi-tech scientific instruments to impress, but they don't tell us that some water is soooo clean until it deprive our body from certain minerals that our body needs. On the long run, after 1 - 2 years of consuming this kind of soooooo clean water, people tend to get joint pain esp older ones. It doesn't matter how expensive the filter is, it the end results that counts, and at this point, better if comes with low maintenance as well.

Sorry, Aunty M. I disagree. There is a lot of scientific research which is both quantifiable, and verifiable from many independent research institutes that disproves what you say or what your friend says. Google a search and you will find countless universities (local, Asian, European, Australian, and US) with exhaustive published research.

On an interesting note, guess what Singapore's Neu Water is processed by? It is by RO technology - the same technology that gives pure water. And what is wrong with drinking pure water?

maxowner
21-04-2009, 10:23 AM
I have been using Diamond Energy Water System for the past 1 year. It has been serving us quite well. :)

Here's the link: http://www.diamondew.com/dews.html

Aunty M
21-04-2009, 05:40 PM
I have been using Diamond Energy Water System for the past 1 year. It has been serving us quite well. :)

Here's the link: http://www.diamondew.com/dews.html

Well, there are water that is term as stagnant water/dead water/ meaning not that the water is dead or you can die drinking this water. Drinking RO water is good if you want clean pure plain "just water". And lifestyle of taking vitamin and minerals should not be avoided if drinking RO water as the body may be lack of mineral that are needed to transport certain nutrients within the blood system. Some can coup and some not and this is also because of intake of food due to different lifestyle which means some watchful ones may have better nutrient counts and some vice versa. And some water can preserve and cleanse the system but some can't . Ofcoz I am not an expert in this but I have friends who are, both technically and scientifically and many water filter manufacturer can tell you how great their filter is. So are these friends of mine but put work aside..they also told me about advantages and disadvantages of drinking certain type of filtered water. Ofcoz drinking filtered water anytime is better than boil water from tap. Diamond is good as it is not just purified water but with added stages which terms it as life water (energy water) thus animals and plants and even fishes can benefit tremendously ...and if you compare to just RO water for 1 month, you'll see the different. I am saying about the first generation of RO water in which its just Reverse Osmosis and nothing further than that with extra added features. RO water has its benefits too as friends from the Malaysian Agriculture, also some from Poultry and Animal Stud Farms also uses RO water for studfarm testubes projects. I had ask them why use RO and was told because it practically is the cleanest and contains nothing, so no worries of unknown substances being there. Other water is ok but some which contains minerals may sway the esperiment results. So here RO water is more suitable. OH YES JUST TO CLARIFY MYSELF HERE, I AM NOT DIAMOND SALESMAN... NOR ANY FILTRATION SYSTEM SALESMAN :D
But personally I have some examples taught by some experts and if you want to test yourselves, no prob. Its not scientifically or technically termed and no need to use hi-tech equiptment, just simple ways so layman can use it to decide which kind of filtration they want. Besides the apple ones, if someone has skin problems, you can bath with plain RO (not those with advance features) and Diamond Water, after 1 - 2 months, you tell us the results, then there's this fish bowl experiment but cruel lah if you try with fish. So best try with plants. (OK lets stop mentioning only Diamond coz people may think I am selling Diamond). Lets put one with Diamond Water or Hexagon Water or any filtered energy oxygenated, alkaline water and another with plain RO and one more with Distilled Water. Put plants in instead of fishes. Monitor for as long as a few days and see which plant yellow first?
Well, I have no grudge over the use of RO water, its just I am letting people know there's easy ways of testing at home to decide which type suits them more.
As i say I have friends also drinking RO and Distilled water for 3 years now with no complains but their mom complains after as soon as 8 months of using it. So ever since, old aunty is now drinking from a different filter they bought for their mom. And funny, aunty has no complain after that. FYI my friends themselves are still using the RO Filter and still with no prob.
So its like eating medication here, panadol is good but some are more suited with Uphamol as when they take panadol, no effect. Both are paracetamol and both are pain killers. So same as in filtered water. Some can tahan certain processed water some cannot. Some reap the advantage from certain process and some others. But all good filtered water is not bad for health. :)

EricK
21-04-2009, 10:23 PM
the apple turns brown because of oxidation.. it is a chemical reaction with air.. nothing to do with the water.... it is the same process that leads to rusting unles you are suggesting watering your stell will prevent it from rusting.... :confused:

kensu
21-04-2009, 11:31 PM
Thanks for the views...

One's food another's poison..

After going through some of the filters, about RO, .. fibreglass containers not good,,, etc etc I see that Bacfree provides the basic filteration system that it originally is supposed to do to give one clean water and in stainless steel.. b

back to basics......

:D

FineTuned
22-04-2009, 10:19 AM
Hi Aunty M, if you wish to quote opinions from friends and experts, at least tell us their names and credentials....that is the proper way. Or better still, ask them to post here. It is meanless to venture hearsay opinions.

Testing with plants and fishes? Humans are not plants nor are they fishes! Totally different physiology. And EricK has nicely explained the fallacy in your dunking apple experiment. Please communicate this to your taiwanese friend. Unless he disputes the cause of browning in the apple?

kensu, please share your findings with us. Why are fibreglass containers not good?

kwchang
22-04-2009, 01:37 PM
...the fallacy in your dunking apple experiment...
HaHaHa :D I can also get my cut apples and pears to remain white (without that brand of water filter!) ... the age-old technique is to simply put a spoon of salt into the basin of water before soaking the cut fruits. So, will you say that it is better to drink salt-water instead of plain filtered water? ;)

Despite what Aunty M claims, I still smell a water filter sales pitch here. I need not remove the post because in the past we had a lot of these and the poor salespeople who have tried have been flamed and burnt alive on the forum for promoting that product. I hope I will not need to ban Aunty M like I did to others eh?

Feynman
22-04-2009, 02:10 PM
Aiyah,,,, no need spend thousands on energy water, RO water, whats-not water.... :p

My Panasonic water filter costs only less than 1/20, filter cartridge also costs very much much less, yet still can do equally the job easily. I've using it for more than 7 years,... and am a happy customer. (I have no connection to Panasonic).

Best of all, don't have to contact agent for service/spare parts, don't have to pay agent's hefty commissions - can easily buy at any hypermarkets.

And Panasonic also a well known brand.... ;)

siewdanny
22-04-2009, 05:21 PM
Aiyah,,,, no need spend thousands on energy water, RO water, whats-not water.... :p

My Panasonic water filter costs only less than 1/20, filter cartridge also costs very much much less, yet still can do equally the job easily. I've using it for more than 7 years,... and am a happy customer. (I have no connection to Panasonic).

Best of all, don't have to contact agent for service/spare parts, don't have to pay agent's hefty commissions - can easily buy at any hypermarkets.

And Panasonic also a well known brand.... ;)

Feynman, it will truly depend on which area you are residing in. In new areas, all the pipings are new compared to older parts of USJ. My experience in my former house have shown me that just having the stand-alone filter is not sufficient. If it is just for drinking, it is fine but what about washing clothes? I had a difficult time having to re-wash my clothes everytime it came out of the washing machine because of those brown rust stains in the washed white shirts.
That made me decide to get the 'rocket ' in my front garden.

peace_relax
22-04-2009, 06:21 PM
Aiyoh.........the good water filters must be expensive wan mah..........my Waterco was bought back in 2003. At that time, it costs about RM 1000+. Until now still good, but with condition every week backwash.

pucman
26-04-2009, 10:21 PM
My Panasonic water filter costs only less than 1/20, filter cartridge also costs very much much less, yet still can do equally the job easily. I've using it for more than 7 years,... and am a happy customer. (I have no connection to Panasonic).
.... ;)

i agree ! All these diamond, ro and what-not are over-priced products that are used mainly to pay salesmen commission and huge advertisement budgets.

For drinking alone, i think panasonic is good enough.

But I am still trying to figure out which model to buy !

http://www.panasonic.com.my/web/productssolutions/healthbeauty/healthcare/waterpurifier

Mrs A Tham
27-04-2009, 12:19 AM
Yah, no need go for expensive RO, Distilled, etc....that cost thousands! Seelah, when diamond started, it was like Rm2K ++ for the master filter and RM1K++ for the kitchen unit! Now they willing to give FOC so long you buy the replacement and commit to service fees. Well, that tells you actually how cheap the parts are? As for me, I am using a RM295 water filter with RM128 yearly cartridge replacement. Water clean, bacteria free, clorine and heavy metal free....alkaline lagi! Panasonic also good, go for the slim casing one. My mom using it to wash vege and meat, not too bad. Also safe to drink after boil. Only RM100++ Yup, she using Backfree Master Filter so for inside kitchen unit, she say no need spend $$$...Make sense coz double filtration oledi mah

pucman
27-04-2009, 03:08 PM
Panasonic also good, go for the slim casing one. My mom using it to wash vege and meat, not too bad.

which model is the slim casing and why u recommend this model ?

Mrs A Tham
27-04-2009, 07:37 PM
which model is the slim casing and why u recommend this model ?

I am not sure about the model....need to visit my dad this weekend to find out for you. I dunno, previously mom was using one bigger one with a small round indication on the top, when about time to change the cartridge, it will slowly turn color. The slim one I think do not have this feature.
Well this is just individual experience....the big one I think is with some sort of charcoal filter and according to my mom, she use to get sore throat if the water is not boil... But as for the slim one (I think its some sort of ceramic filtration type) and so far so good! I see dad changes the filter about 10 months once...Also did an additional normal see thru fibre filter one (double casing) before the water travels to the panasonic filter and this one he changes every 2 months and 3 months respectively as the one that filters first tends to get dirty faster. So far no complain from them. Its cheaper this way as I think they spent about RM100/yearly and its user friendly, can change and maintain ownself. No need pay for svc fees.
Oh yes...as for the bigger casing type, I was told dad changes cartridge every 3-4 months and one cartridge cost around RM30++, plus the 2 fibre filters, they spent no less than RM150/yearly