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robertec
09-04-2009, 02:55 PM
From: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SJAlert@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Triform Subang Jaya
Sent: Wednesday, 08 April, 2009 5:44 PM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Gated and Guarded Community

This is my 2 cents worth on GnG.

I am a proponent of this system having organized quite a few myself and personally seen a drastic drop in the crime rate in the areas it has been formed and implemented correctly, this off course being subjective as what is correct.

You can start off the right way or the wrong way. The list of doís and donít,s is very wide but let me try and breach some of it in the few minutes I have to spare. I am not an expert and I am sure more will join in with the necessary advice.

To begin with
1. Call for a meeting among the residents of the area. Do this by way of flyers notifying the date , time and venue and get an attendance list prepared where those present will list their name IC, house address. You will want more house owners than tenants. On the reverse of the flyers list down the crimes and what has happened within your immediate neighborhood, Apathy is an evil. The usual is it did not happen to me, donít care not my problem, why should we pay etc etc but when they notice what is happening within their doorsteps, you should have a good turnout. Reach out to all in the neighbourhood and donít make it an exclusive group.

2. Local government is not interested in your problem as it contravenes the Streets and Drainage Act. Local Council will look the other way until it receives a complaint, which there will be quite a few from those not paying, donít be disheartened.The Local Council requires you to get approval of 75 to 90% approval of residents within the area, if you are going to put up barriers etc and this must be submitted to the MPSJ with the covering letters etc. This will still be illegal at the end of the day but ďacceptableĒ and you most probably will not receive a reply from them, so ensure you have a duplicate copy stamped by them acknowledging receipt of your letter and documents.

3. The police will encourage you as it means less work when there is less crime. They can not endorse you but they will normally support you as a RA when those uncooperative residents go and make reports. I always show the errant ones to the nearest Balai. Join your area Community Policing Scheme, check it out with the Balai. Get emails from the residents and start your own neighbourhood Googlegroup to communicate.

4. When you hire Security guards the going rate is now from RM 3.80 to RM 7.00 depending on the quality of guards and their nationality. This the police are interested to know as Security Companies must be vetted by the Police or your guards might turn out to be your robbers. You must notify the police of this and keep a record. It will come in handy.

5. You must ensure an RA is organized from your 1st meeting, even if it is a Protem Committee. The ROS office is in Shah Alam, Wisma MBSA. Pay them a visit beforehand and get the necessary forms to form the Residents Association. Remember to get a standard Constitution from them. Use this Constitution with barest minimum changes to submit your Committee application. This way you get the fastest approval and then you amend the Constitution to your requirements. In the meantime you can open your bank account with it. If you amend now you will be bogged down with delay after delay so do it later.

6. Remember the RA can collect money to facilitate Security facilities for your neighbourhood, but you cannot force anyone to pay no matter how good a job you think you are doing, and you also can not bar those not paying from entry to the area etc. This is set to change as there are some new guidelines pending in Parliament. Talk about that if and when it happens.

7. Start small. IMPORTANT: NEVER ALLOW THE SECURITY COMPANY TO GO ROUND COLLECTING FEES DIRECTLY FOR THEMSELVES. ALL MONIES MUST BE COLLECTED AND BANKED INTO THE RA ACCOUNTS BEFORE PAYING OUT. IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO COLLECT, YOU WILL BE ON THE ROAD TO FAILURE PRETTY QUICK AS SOONER OR LATER THEY WILL EMPLOY STRONG ARM TACTICS ON ALL OF YOU. YOU WILL HAVE DIFFICULTY TO HIRE AND FIRE FOR NON PERFORMANCE. THIS IS WHY YOU NEED AN RA AND ALSO RT.

8. On the day you intend to hold your first meeting, consider also registering a RT simultaneously. The RT office is on the third floor of the IC Office side OF THE BUILDING in Wisma Persekutuan, Jalan Sultan, Petaling Jaya. The RT empowers you more as far as security is concerned, and you will also get a yearly Grant of RM 4800.00 to maintain it. It is vital you ensure that the RA and RT Committee is one and the same to avoid duplication and unnecessary aggravation. You can also get funds for Community activities from the RT which is under Jabatan Perpaduan. You donít have to do Patrols to qualify or you can if you want. Thatís the new RT.

9. Ok now lets assume you got through the first round of hurdles. Now lets go to the second part. You must be committed, firm but flexible and have a core team appointed during the meeting to assist you. The core team must be Road reps from the various road with a minimum of 2 from each road to form your security committee within the RA or you will not be able to reach out and will be over extended. The drop out rate is also big as the initial enthusiasm wears out when the work begins to manifest itself, that normal human behaviour.

10. When vetting to sign up a Security Company get a Security Operations Manual done. These companies will promise you heaven and hell. Go to sites where they are and monitor yourself privately. Spell out the Doís and Donts between you and the Security provider in the Operations Manual and it should be comprehensive to cover all aspects including the guards discipline. If you donít have one call Mr Jeswant singh and request for one 012-3955575. He is a RA Chairman and a pretty efficient one. He made a detailed one.

11. Now the difficult part. Autogate or Manual Boom Bar or nothing. Here I wont advise you but remember you are looking after your neighborhood security and not running an Army Camp. Your flexibility comes here and your difficulties also start here. Resident who are your contributors will initially give you the most problems. You must request them to notify their parents, brothers, sisters in-laws and friends etc that you have employed security personnel to protect your homes, family and property. Everyone expects the guards to know who their relatives etc are and this will develop into contentious issues when the guards stop them. Send out newsletters to the whole neighbourhood notify them of commencement and pitfalls to avoid. Request their cooperation during the startup.

12. Develop a plan of action. Car stickers etc. There is so much to talk and do here. Remember you are trying to provide security and promote unity not divide and rule. Residents will be a little slow to come around but gradually they will do so if you can efficiently run your RA and local security with proper Communication, transparency, perseverance and understanding. You will have a happy and peaceful neighborhood as gradually the residents get used to the system. 14 days should be about it but it will all depend on you and the Committee.

13. There are about 20 points but I am stopping at fifteen. If you hold your first meeting correctly from the beginning, you will have not have much issues when you implement. There will always be someone out to challenge you but if you have the support of the majority Min 70% you should be moving in the right direction. Visit a few areas and study the situation. Security Guards is no Guarantee. The residents must all know their neighbours in front, on the sides and even the back. You must stress this or they will come for you whenever there is a problem. Swecurity gurds are just a deterrent. The take up collection must also be at best minimal. Do you maths. It is always easier to reduce then to ask for an increase.

14. My neighbourhood had a 100% crime free period of 5 years until just recently when 2 cars were stolen from the same house at 3 am. There was a breach and lax in our security which has since been rectified. This is where you must explain to the residents, if everyone comes to the guardhouse and demand entry because they have a relative inside, the robbers will do the same.It is very essential to issue stickers to identify cars.We have a 95% take up rate out of 530 homes and with the excess funds we have done numerous activities, employed 10 gurds, installed CCTV, built a basketball court etc. You can do it also. Our property values have also soared as resident within the area want to live within us.

15. Remember Carry out more neighbourhood unity programmes with excess funds and get to know residents. Not enough funds, Contact YB Hannah office to do a programme within your area. Foster goodwill, gradually more will join in and you will have a better neighbourhood.

Regards
Datuk Samson

ceo684
10-04-2009, 10:58 PM
No. 16 Please ensure the guards do not become a pollution menace by lighting bonfires at the guardhouse. Those that stay nearby the guardhouse will be the ones suffering.

MasterQ
12-04-2009, 02:48 PM
May I suggest at the guard post, the RA put up this notice



If you are not happy or think that our guards are disrespectful or high handedness,
I will apreciate you please call me at 01X-XXXXXX.

The Management
You can see such notice at the back of big trucks and oil tanker where if you think that the driver is driving dangerously, there is a number to call their safety manager and report him. Shell Malaysia is very serious about the way their oil tankers are driven on public roads.

In the case of the gated community, this will help to defuse unpleasant incident that may occur at the check point due to ignorant guards or difficult visitors/residents. At the moment, whenever I encounter such unpleasant situation where my right of access is impeded, I don't hesitate to call those police heads contact numbers provided by Mr Robert published somewhere here in the forum. That is the only way to deal with them.

deuces
02-06-2009, 12:25 PM
From: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SJAlert@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Triform Subang Jaya
Sent: Wednesday, 08 April, 2009 5:44 PM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Gated and Guarded Community

This is my 2 cents worth on GnG.

Regards
Datuk Samson


Thanks for the tip. USJ11/4 is in the process of creating our own GnG after looking at the success of 11/3 and we have already begun the process with help from the 11/3 community. We have formed a pro-tem committee head by Raymond.
Crime is a major issue with all of us and without doubt it is going to be a long and tiring process but with commitment from all the residents we hope to make it.

Help us along if you can. We'd appreciate it.

Cheers

Lionel
012-377 5752

carz
10-08-2009, 11:47 PM
Robertec,

Thanks for sharing.

Can you share with us your cost to run gated community ?
1) How many entry/exit points did you have and did you run it 24 hours ?
2) Did you outsource to Security Companies and how much did it cost ?
3) How did you organise the car stickers and how much did you charge for them ?
4) What are the other hidden costs ?
5) How often did you have to publish income/expenses statement for the stakeholders?
6) How much did each household have to pay per month ?
7) Did you fence up the area and how much did it cost? How much additional one-time cost did the community have to pay?

robertec
11-08-2009, 01:42 PM
Can you share with us your cost to run gated community ? Yes, it is about RM65 for about 80+ houses

1) How many entry/exit points did you have and did you run it 24 hours ?
Only 1, Yes it is run 24 hours

2) Did you outsource to Security Companies and how much did it cost ?
Yes, we use a registered Security Company, you should be able to work out the sum as per above.

3) How did you organise the car stickers and how much did you charge for them ?
Get the Car stickers printed which in the case of small quantities should be about RM2+. All houses in our Taman get stickers even if they do not subscribe to the security services. In the event additional are required we charge a minimum fee.

4) What are the other hidden costs ?
For us sometimes its the repair of the fencing, painting of the guard house, so you should have some operating costs. We also have a watchman clocking system so special paper rolls, batteries are required. We also have a website so we have some yearly expenses too.

5) How often did you have to publish income/expenses statement for the stakeholders?
We try as much as possible to do that once a year, but honestly, after a few years no one is really interested in the report. But we still keep the records for stakeholders viewing.

6) How much did each household have to pay per month ?
Question already answered

7) Did you fence up the area and how much did it cost? How much additional one-time cost did the community have to pay?
We fenced up our place almost 8 years ago at that time it cost us RM17,000+ for about 1.3KM (we did most of the material sourcing ourselves) Yes, we got donations from our own Residents and also from the ADUN at that time, but that was a long time ago.

I suppose that our small community may not be the best example of how a G&G Community can be setup nowadays.

We are unique in that we started with Neighbourhood Watch for 2 years (i.e. we patrol our neighbourhood everynight from 2.00am to 5am) before we decided on the G&G concept, in the first 2 years our residents got to know everyone in the "Kampung" (because fo the night patrolling), so you can say that we are a very closely knitted Community even until today.

I am proud that our Neighbourhood bonds have survived all these years.

If you want first hand experience, move to USJ23. (hehehehe...)

USJ27Resident
11-08-2009, 05:39 PM
From: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SJAlert@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Triform Subang Jaya
Sent: Wednesday, 08 April, 2009 5:44 PM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Gated and Guarded Community

This is my 2 cents worth on GnG

7. Start small. IMPORTANT: NEVER ALLOW THE SECURITY COMPANY TO GO ROUND COLLECTING FEES DIRECTLY FOR THEMSELVES. ALL MONIES MUST BE COLLECTED AND BANKED INTO THE RA ACCOUNTS BEFORE PAYING OUT. IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO COLLECT, YOU WILL BE ON THE ROAD TO FAILURE PRETTY QUICK AS SOONER OR LATER THEY WILL EMPLOY STRONG ARM TACTICS ON ALL OF YOU. YOU WILL HAVE DIFFICULTY TO HIRE AND FIRE FOR NON PERFORMANCE. THIS IS WHY YOU NEED AN RA AND ALSO RT.

Regards
Datuk Samson

I think USJ 26 & USJ 27 is on their way to this problem soon... :(

Carolrasiah
11-08-2009, 09:39 PM
This article might interest u............regarding ďGated and Guarded CommunityĒ

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/8/11/central/4477932&sec=central :cool:

deuces
11-08-2009, 10:05 PM
This article might interest u............regarding ďGated and Guarded CommunityĒ

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/8/11/central/4477932&sec=central :cool:


Loss of freedom is a heavy price to pay
Sure, there were snatch thefts and house break-ins in the neighbourhood, but the numbers do not justify the drastic reaction such as this.

the gentleman who wrote the article makes it seem like as if he is chained to his home. its rather comical but when you get down to it, it shows the selfish, self absorbed sickening side of some malaysians. i replied that mail actually but i guess the paper did not see it fit to print my rather stong comment. i just cannot seem to comprehend how or why these naysayers not understand that we just want a safer community for our families and neighbours. if that price is gng, then so be it.

he readily admits there were thefts/break-ins, though he left out the part about innocents getting hurt, and he says it does not justify the means. DOES NOT JUSTIFY. i'd like to know what is justification to him. his wife? his children? his grandchildren?

the amazing thing is that even with the 85% agreement (or more) from the entire community, he still feels that he has the right to demand the abolishment of gng. i could go on insulting him till the cows some home but i guess it would'nt do any good.

i guess there are all sorts in the world.

lionel

USJ27Resident
11-08-2009, 10:47 PM
the gentleman who wrote the article makes it seem like as if he is chained to his home. its rather comical but when you get down to it, it shows the selfish, self absorbed sickening side of some malaysians....

i guess there are all sorts in the world.

lionel

welcome to the ugly side of being human... after all, everyone is 'entitled' to his/her opinion even though 85% of the neighborhood supports the GnG concept... :rolleyes: To some people - these 'collective' effort to set up the security for the betterment of the whole community is nothing but a nuisance - TO THEM. I'd bet some even would "loudly" complain but "quietly" enjoy their (free) added/enhanced security that comes with the GnG concept....

simply put... i'd seriously would wonder what he/she would sing - if someone in his/her family were 'chopped' or 'whacked' in front of his/her house... probably would say the GnG concept was the cause of the incident and to be blamed.

sadly, sh!tty things only happen to people other than these clowns... :(

carz
13-09-2009, 05:41 PM
Robertec,

Thanks for sharing. You mentioned that you only have 1 entry/exit guarded 24 hours.

How many guards did you hire and how many shifts are there and what is the rate for the guards ?

Can you share about the quality of the guards and their nationality ?

driftingrover
17-09-2009, 01:28 PM
Loss of freedom is a heavy price to pay
Sure, there were snatch thefts and house break-ins in the neighbourhood, but the numbers do not justify the drastic reaction such as this.

the gentleman who wrote the article makes it seem like as if he is chained to his home. its rather comical but when you get down to it, it shows the selfish, self absorbed sickening side of some malaysians. i replied that mail actually but i guess the paper did not see it fit to print my rather stong comment. i just cannot seem to comprehend how or why these naysayers not understand that we just want a safer community for our families and neighbours. if that price is gng, then so be it.

he readily admits there were thefts/break-ins, though he left out the part about innocents getting hurt, and he says it does not justify the means. DOES NOT JUSTIFY. i'd like to know what is justification to him. his wife? his children? his grandchildren?

the amazing thing is that even with the 85% agreement (or more) from the entire community, he still feels that he has the right to demand the abolishment of gng. i could go on insulting him till the cows some home but i guess it would'nt do any good.

i guess there are all sorts in the world.

lionel
deuces n usj27

i m one of those that hv not sign up for the scheme(for whatever reason) at this moment.
may i ask, r we in a land of the law or r we in a land rule by the mob??

ok, maybe i m not as educated or as smart as u all, but i do know that my parents brought me up to look into myself first before calling others such.
u can call me whatever u do wish, that is your god given rights n also a right extended in the constitution of malaysia(so far).
if we do live in a country goven by the rule of the mob, wouldn't we be not allowed to do pretty much of everything?(who r the majority in this country?) so i thank my lucky stars that as yet the mob does not rule.

question here is""
1.for whatever reason the minority is not with the g n g scheme, do we hv the right to label anyone names?? ''freeloader, selfish, troublemaker, etc etc"
2.does god or country gives us the right to impose our will onto others?(mob rules??)
3.this is a voluntary participation scheme, is it not?
4.lead n others will follow, in time either the scheme will fail or it will prosper, this depends very much on if there goodwill or illfeeling created in the community(minority when pushed too hard will shoved back hard)


i may not be the right person to commend but what usj 23 n now usj 11 r doing is the right approach, moderation, do not marginalizethose not participating. with moderation , at the end of the day, the resident may participate out of goodwill n not because of intimidation

know the 'law" a little spark will cause the whole thing to comes tumbling down. any LAWYERS care to comment?

i grow up in the days of RT , if RT i will be the first to sign up.

BE HUMBLE

yours sincerely
Francis

USJ27Resident
23-09-2009, 06:05 PM
BE HUMBLE

yours sincerely
Francis

I like this... BE HUMBLE...

we tried... being humble, being friendly, being neighborly... guess who turned a deaf ear... guess who walked away...

yes, it is voluntary... the contributions to upkeep the security etc etc... fact is, nobody labelled anyone in particular/specifically, as selfish,or as a freeloader or whatever ... if it was said, it was a figure of speech... probably out of frustration and desperation...

point is - sense of security is non existent in our neighbourhoods and relying on the cops ain't gonna make security any better.

fact is, some of us has tried (and failed) to be convincing enough, to get everyone on the bandwagon... so we make do with what we can...

i am sure even if you are not in the neighborhood security plan - should you yell for help... surely your neighbors would come running to help, no? well... then again... help might not come if your neighbours thinks that you're a constant pain.. :p (kidding!!!)

driftingrover
24-09-2009, 01:43 PM
usj 27,

yes , i hv not signed up for the security in my area.

yes , u may not hv been calling others names , but i do see there r so many calling ppl like me ( those that did not sign up), names.

yes, do as we can, if that is the spirit all well should end well. doing it in the spirit of community because it is a neccessity, do not be bothered if others r not in agreement, do as u can. but be sure not to marginalize those that did not signed up.
be aware that those that did not signed up hv as much right as u all to live where u r , unless the s&p ,that they hv signed when they purchase the house ,say that this is a guarded n gated community n they hv to cxontribute.

i m all for this security scheme, but at the moment i m holding on to my horses to observe how this is being run in my area. other area i hardly go, but where i stay, it will be interesting to know how it is run.

i may be wrong, but if there is no marginalization against the minority in my , then i know it is being run by reasonable ppl for the well being of the community, in which case i will sign up.
if there is ill feelings created among the minority, then it would be interesting to see what the law says, if u get my meaning?

everyone support a good thing done right
but an illegal thing done wrong, is a whole new different ball game.

kwchang
24-09-2009, 02:15 PM
...at the moment i m holding on to my horses to observe how this is being run in my area....then i know it is being run by reasonable ppl for the well being of the community, in which case i will sign up..
In my area, we respect the wish of those who do not want to sign up but we carry the hope that they may change their minds. Some people are not so excited and take time to decide. There is a lesson to be learnt here ... everyone has their right to decide and I am glad in my place we respected that right to differ ... and it is working for us because some nay-sayers have changed their minds.

Maybe for those of you wishing to work on a G&G, do keep this valuable lesson in mind and let the results work for you ...

simon_tan
24-09-2009, 03:53 PM
Francis,

Can you please share why you have chosen not to pay and participate in a community driven plan to provide better security for the neighborhood? There are not right or wrong answers, just another opinion.

Would it be an option, like you mentioned, to 'observe how things are run' by paying for a year to see how things are run, and if you are not satisfied, stop paying. Then at least you have tried. After all, it seems from reading previous post that around 80% of your neighbors think that this might be a good idea.

driftingrover
24-09-2009, 07:43 PM
simon

yes, i do agree that the idea is noble n if done in the spirit of the community, everyone in the community should be treated the same, regardless if they r contributing to the scheme or not, afterall they r still living in that part of the community.
but as u suggested, pay for a yr n stop paying if things r not run well, that my friend will not work for me . either u hv the 'will ' to do the right thing , to do a good thing or not do any thing at all.
what i hv observed in forums regarding this guarded n gated scheme r that those non paying resident r being victimized. this to me is not the right way to do a good thing for the community. if the majority hv the interest of the community at heart, paying or non paying, everyone should be treated equally.
then some will not be happy that those non paying resident seem to benefit for their hard work. if those feelings exists, do u think the scheme will last?
from my point of view , if we decide that if it is a good thing for the community , if we hv enough dedicated resident supporting it, then we go ahead, regardless of those that benefit without paying, afterall it is an initiative for the good of all.
but from what i hv observed, it seem that everyone is jumping onto the bandwagon n those that does not support is being victimized.
when i say being victimized , does those who r paying hv more right to live in the area then those that did not support? those that r paying r so call issued security car sticker n can enter n exit unhindered while those that did not payr being stop for questioning?
if my area is run well n there r no discrimination, i will sign up cos that will show the dedication of the residents to see the whole thing through, regardless of the minority.
as it is , i m not being extended the courtesy of free security car sticker( courtesy because there should be no discrimination, free because i hv not paid).
in as far as the guards r concerned, they hv not been nasty towards me.

so there is 2 options for me here,
1. either the guards will be instructed to be nasty towards me( the non paying minority)
or
2. a goodwll security sticker is extended to my household.

if option 2 , all that is well will goes well, n i will start paying my dues as that should hv been from the very first day.
if option 1 is being enforced, we shall see what happen when the **** hit the fan.

the main point i m trying to say here is everyone hv their own reasons , do not be all rightous n start discriminating ANYONE.

keanchan
04-07-2010, 05:21 PM
7. Start small. IMPORTANT: NEVER ALLOW THE SECURITY COMPANY TO GO ROUND COLLECTING FEES DIRECTLY FOR THEMSELVES. ALL MONIES MUST BE COLLECTED AND BANKED INTO THE RA ACCOUNTS BEFORE PAYING OUT. IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO COLLECT, YOU WILL BE ON THE ROAD TO FAILURE PRETTY QUICK AS SOONER OR LATER THEY WILL EMPLOY STRONG ARM TACTICS ON ALL OF YOU. YOU WILL HAVE DIFFICULTY TO HIRE AND FIRE FOR NON PERFORMANCE. THIS IS WHY YOU NEED AN RA AND ALSO RT.


Hi Samson,
I agree with about point that collection should not be done by the security company. Since collection is the most difficult task and very few resident want to do that personally, how do you conduct the collection without the help from the security company? One way is to employ collection officer for the RA but that will incur operation cost also. The security company usually have better organization in the collection.

Thank you.
Kean

SCCheah
25-07-2010, 07:29 PM
In my area, we respect the wish of those who do not want to sign up but we carry the hope that they may change their minds. Some people are not so excited and take time to decide. There is a lesson to be learnt here ... everyone has their right to decide and I am glad in my place we respected that right to differ ... and it is working for us because some nay-sayers have changed their minds.

Maybe for those of you wishing to work on a G&G, do keep this valuable lesson in mind and let the results work for you ...


Respect the wish of the people? Howcan you respect the wish of the people when you turn an open concept area into a caged community? Your step one is already wrong.

hackwire
25-07-2010, 11:58 PM
Why human beings want safety and security but not willing to pay for it?
they do have a choice to move out to a better place with G&G community but they refused ? They knew the ANSWER. The Answers were these.

1) I don't like to pay maintenance monthly in Condos because some pays and some not. So it's not fair for me also.
2) I know G&G community is not cheap and it's not worth to buy same property design and I still have to fork out RM 150 - RM 300 for some Security System.
3) I cannot afford to pay good Security System for my house.

So we formed Cheap Security System for RM 50 to block the access road from outside visitors . Other communities are exercising these practices and they worked in a miracle way somehow. These fellows knew they have to hack their wall and their interior will have a lot cables if they decided to install cctv or alarm system but they rather not doing it and they still pressing for G&G by frightening others with the burglary news. These news were advertised in their blogs and forum . Too bad, not all of us will easily taken or suck into the blackhole. the victim's house got robbed for so many reasons unknown, it can be the house location , vengeance, distress neighbors conspiracy, relatives robbing relatives , fake insurance claimed or didn't have any security features at all.

I wish Hannah Yeoh read my thread and stop the nonsensical reps who are not honest enough to pull the bull by its horn but the tail.

Famous Respond/ Feedback by the RA committee members.
" We are short of manpower" . " We are Volunteers"

Who ever listen to this, don't even start something you can't handle if u have the answer at the back of your head already. Not everybody can be Mother Teresa.

RolyPoly
03-08-2010, 12:46 PM
For me, receiving news of break-ins in my neighbourhood will help my family and I to keep a look out of our neighbourhood and strangers lurking around. At the same time, we learn from the modus operandi of these robbers to prevent history from repeating!

Just like the recent case in USJ3/4, where an old lady who was taking down laundry outside her house was being surprised by 2 robbers that climbed over her gate and robbed her. There is a lesson for all of us from this incident. Even when we are within the compound of our house, with the gate closed and locked, it's still NOT SAFE! It's best to rush into our house, when we see an approaching motorbike/car slowing down outside our house.

It has been said many times that let's rely on the police to improve on the security of our neighbourhood. Years have passed, but certain people still sit and wait for this to happen. Well, I won't just sit on my laurel and wait / talk.....on. It's the safety and security of my family that I am concerned with. GnG to me is one alternative. At the same time, I join the Voluntary Patrol Unit to help deter crime. :p

jan tomaswaki
03-08-2010, 01:49 PM
Just like the recent case in USJ3/4, where an old lady who was taking down laundry outside her house was being surprised by 2 robbers that climbed over her gate and robbed her. There is a lesson for all of us from this incident. Even when we are within the compound of our house, with the gate closed and locked, it's still NOT SAFE! It's best to rush into our house, when we see an approaching motorbike/car slowing down outside our house.
. At the same time, I join the Voluntary Patrol Unit to help deter crime. :p

Sad and sorry to hear that although GnG is just another alternative it is still not good enough.The best is good understanding neighbourhood which is very much lacking in the city, let alone in the housing estate.The only thing neighbours came out is where there is a "makan besar" organised.One thing is to let the ah soh ah soh organise tai chi,cooking classes,trips etc will make them knoe each other better.I have done that in one of my apartments.Organised x'mas gathering,buka puasa,deeparaya,kongsiraya you name it i've done all!Good to hear that you join the VPU.Syabas! :)

otyew
09-11-2010, 10:56 PM
i wish this will be at USJ6 area. i just bought a house in usj6/3c...and my uncle wallet was taken when some robber walk up and took it away when he was busy helping me with the reno...sigh.....how daring they could be.......my uncle mistake...open gate and front door........sigh...this is bad....starting to regret buying USJ6 now since it wasnt gated at all......and most of the ppl here dont come out often and it is dark at night...sigh...

driftingrover
11-11-2010, 12:18 PM
i wish this will be at USJ6 area. i just bought a house in usj6/3c...and my uncle wallet was taken when some robber walk up and took it away when he was busy helping me with the reno...sigh.....how daring they could be.......my uncle mistake...open gate and front door........sigh...this is bad....starting to regret buying USJ6 now since it wasnt gated at all......and most of the ppl here dont come out often and it is dark at night...sigh...

otyew,

yes , u shouldn't hv brought a house in USJ 6.
u should hv brought a house in a PROPER G & G.

nona
16-01-2011, 12:43 AM
i wish this will be at USJ6 area. i just bought a house in usj6/3c...and my uncle wallet was taken when some robber walk up and took it away when he was busy helping me with the reno...sigh.....how daring they could be.......my uncle mistake...open gate and front door........sigh...this is bad....starting to regret buying USJ6 now since it wasnt gated at all......and most of the ppl here dont come out often and it is dark at night...sigh...


i m sorry for the loss. my place at USJ 4 has similar predicament - people in the neighborhood live for themselves and hardly can be seen mixing around and it is also dark at night. In fact come to think of it ...it is always dark at night ;)