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kuma
08-03-2009, 05:44 PM
Looks like we still need them.....M'sian's loosing jobs....but the manufacturing/plantation sectors still needs more foreigners.

70,000 more Bangladeshi workers for Malaysia making the total up to 500,000 says Bangladesh High Commission

More than 70,000 Bangladeshi workers are expected to arrive in Malaysia soon to take up employment in the plantation, construction and services sectors, the Labour Counsellor at the Bangladesh High Commission here, Talat Mahmud Khan, disclosed today.

Talat said that despite the economic downturn and rising retrenchment in Malaysia, Bangladeshi workers were still in demand as they were considered to be hardworking, efficient, obedient and trainable and did not demand a high salary. [Comment > is this a jibe at M'sian's :D.....or is someone trying to tell us something?]

With the coming arrival of more Bangladeshi workers, their number in the country would swell to almost 500,000, among them 2,000 women, he told Bernama news agency.
READ NEWS REPORT HERE (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/19905-70000-more-bangladeshi-workers-for-malaysia)

Sentinel
08-03-2009, 05:54 PM
It is all about greed of the plantation owners and manufacturing concerns.... paying for lowly-trained cheaper labour. Then again, how many Malaysians, despite the tough economic situations where many are already jobless, wants to walk from 1 oil palm tree to the next to jolok down the palm bunches? It is Catch-22 situation....

USJ27Resident
08-03-2009, 06:47 PM
how many Malaysians, despite the tough economic situations where many are already jobless, wants to walk from 1 oil palm tree to the next to jolok down the palm bunches? It is Catch-22 situation....

Not a Catch-22 situation la...
.... BAN foreign labour - and you'd see these plantation owners and every freaking employer in the country would have to raise wages... or else NOTHING will work...

When wages gets to a decent level... people WILL work... because they can now earn enough to put food on the table for whole families...

You don't need to have a Masters Degree for this kinda logic !!

USJ27Resident
08-03-2009, 06:59 PM
70,000 more Bangladeshi workers for Malaysia making the total up to 500,000 says Bangladesh High Commission


Forgot to mentioned... also IMMEDIATE revenue for the IMMIGRATION... that's a cool RM35 MILLION @ 500 a head on levy and work permits... PAID UPFRONT!

for FOMEMA another RM14 MILLION @ 200 per head for medical fees.. PAID UPFRONT!

and for the agent (agencies) that get the approvals... your guess is as good as mine... HOW MUCH DO THEY GAIN from these foreign labourers.. mind you, more than half of them (and their families back in Bangladesh) gets into immediate debt for getting a visa to work here... whether work is waiting for them or not, is another story!!!

When they do get work/employment.... sometimes these employers would NOT pay them for months... forcing them to "jump ship" and work elsewhere... only to be rounded up by our efficient RELA and IMMIGRATION fellas and stuffed into detention camps for process...

kuma
08-03-2009, 07:38 PM
Forgot to mentioned... also IMMEDIATE revenue for the IMMIGRATION... that's a cool RM35 MILLION @ 500 a head on levy and work permits... PAID UPFRONT!

for FOMEMA another RM14 MILLION @ 200 per head for medical fees.. PAID UPFRONT!

and for the agent (agencies) that get the approvals... your guess is as good as mine... HOW MUCH DO THEY GAIN from these foreign labourers.. mind you, more than half of them (and their families back in Bangladesh) gets into immediate debt for getting a visa to work here... whether work is waiting for them or not, is another story!!!

When they do get work/employment.... sometimes these employers would NOT pay them for months... forcing them to "jump ship" and work elsewhere... only to be rounded up by our efficient RELA and IMMIGRATION fellas and stuffed into detention camps for process...

Jeez! ;) That's Huge....seems like a good enough reason to tell jobless locals to go "you know" :eek:

USJ27Resident
08-03-2009, 07:49 PM
Jeez! ;) That's Huge....seems like a good enough reason to tell jobless locals to go "you know" :eek:

Now you know why so little DETAILED information is made known in this industry....

to many of us... these "foreign labourers" are not an issue to us... :(

kuma
09-03-2009, 12:57 AM
Now you know why so little DETAILED information is made known in this industry....

to many of us... these "foreign laborers" are not an issue to us... :(

Yeah...until something happens and they find reason to scapegoat the foreigners.....But, really 70K newbies in this coming "Doom" to round it off to 500K just from Bangladesh alone.....MAN, that's HUGE! :D

Sometimes...I think we Locals deserve what ever we get. I mean 100K locals expected to lose jobs this year and we have a fresh 70K coming from Bangladesh...and nobody on this forum has commented [except the 3 of us]...well...might as well let this thread 'die', least it ends up getting sent to Chatterbox. :(

USJ27Resident
10-03-2009, 04:14 AM
to many of us... these "foreign labourers" are not an issue to us... :(

I've said it...


Sometimes...I think we Locals deserve what ever we get. I mean 100K locals expected to lose jobs this year and we have a fresh 70K coming from Bangladesh...and nobody on this forum has commented [except the 3 of us]...well...might as well let this thread 'die', least it ends up getting sent to Chatterbox. :(

You've said it...

gtl
11-03-2009, 08:45 AM
the ministry which approve the visa has to head or tail what is happening with our economic situation.
the gomen better switch gear now and refocus our education towards areas which our generations to come can command a premium in the global market place.
the next generation is lost due to our failed education system.

QuietStorm
11-03-2009, 08:49 AM
...the next generation is lost due to our failed education system.(Off topic)

Yes, we must act now to rectify the situation. Reintroduce English medium schools. No two ways about it. Now's the time, this is the place.

Wait a min...or, if the current education system is so damn good, let the powers-that-be prove it to us by enrolling all their children to study in local schools/universities. :rolleyes:

Phres
11-03-2009, 09:12 AM
who to blame but ourselves for being so dependent on foreign workers .... today, we see them working in our homes, restaurants, shopping malls, along the roads, construction sites, factories, plantations, hawker stalls, markets ...u name it, they are there..... :(

Firefly
11-03-2009, 10:06 AM
I am in the manufacturing..We put in 7 days of advertisement spread over a period of 4 weeks, for production/ manufacturing, 30 vacancies..in that period of times, less than 15 people turn up for interview. 5 of them turn down the job during the interview, 10 asked to start work, but only 7 turn up. So where are the retrenched workers?

gtl
11-03-2009, 11:22 AM
who to blame but ourselves for being so dependent on foreign workers .... today, we see them working in our homes, restaurants, shopping malls, along the roads, construction sites, factories, plantations, hawker stalls, markets ...u name it, they are there..... :(

having foreign workers is fine as long as we know who they are, where they are and repatriate them when their term expire.
we ended up giving citizenship to the indons which has little skills to contribute to our country, that's what pisses most of us off.
how are we to turn the economy around when we are still trying to compete in low skill manufacturing with vietnam, indonesia and china??

gtl
11-03-2009, 11:23 AM
I am in the manufacturing..We put in 7 days of advertisement spread over a period of 4 weeks, for production/ manufacturing, 30 vacancies..in that period of times, less than 15 people turn up for interview. 5 of them turn down the job during the interview, 10 asked to start work, but only 7 turn up. So where are the retrenched workers?

life is too good to struggle...........everytime looking for tongkat.

tupai
11-03-2009, 12:42 PM
look beyond the local retrenchment/unemployment hype.

Use simple arithmetic to calculate this:
1 fully imported CBU tambi worker sendiri bayar outta-pocket, average rm8000-10000 to jv-msian-tambi-co to get 'employment' in boleh land.

So, Average rm9,000X70,000 labourers= ???

Then masuk levy Rm??? X 70,000 = ????
Then campur formena Rm?? X70,000 = ???
Then tambah tis& tat Rm??? X70,000 = ???

semua hapi except the 70,000 poor tambi

whatduh fish happen to the dunnoHowMany '000s tambis stranded & unemployed, and livin' in the 1st class canggih klia carpark, under deplorable condition? These poor tambis also paid to come to bolehland to work..but, ei-lek kerja ada??? how?

Scandalous lah! Malu only malaysia...no wonder, we still in the high human trafficker country list. MALU! :mad:

Yang Boleh tipu orang asing latotupai :eek:

P/s The indons? aisey bohsay, tat one different lah... we adik bradik mah... same people mah! legal or illegal also neber mind lah...we look same, tok same, eat same, smell same, pray same, play same, breed same, govern also same, semua same same, ok lah. Semua Ok!

bslee
11-03-2009, 12:55 PM
P/s The indons? aisey bohsay, tat one different lah...

They tried to invade Malaysia at one point in history, and it could happen again who knows.. there's already 1million of them here anyway.

kuma
11-03-2009, 05:55 PM
Well this issue making headlines on BBC.

Malaysia cuts Bangladeshi visas

The Malaysian government has revoked the work visas of tens of thousands of Bangladeshis after protesters said jobs should be kept for Malaysians.

The Bangladeshis had already been approved for work in Malaysia and had paid M$12,000 ($3,226, £2,357) in fees.

The government said it would try to refund the fees.

READ MORE HERE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7936452.stm)

If that be true, [the refund I mean].....it will cost our gomen 55,000[not 70,000] as quoted on BBC, at RM12,000 each, that makes RM660,000,000!

I hope they mean the Visa fees!:rolleyes:

USJ27Resident
11-03-2009, 06:09 PM
I am in the manufacturing.., 30 vacancies... So where are the retrenched workers?

Like you dunno meh... ???

The Cina fella would have probably opened his own business and will slog it out for the next 5 years or so... income would be smaller but at least it is his "own" business...

The Indian fella would grab the next available job just BECAUSE it is the only available job...

The other fella... well, fingers crossed and hope that the Govt would lend a helping hand lorr...

[sorry - not being anything but blunt !]

Sentinel
11-03-2009, 06:12 PM
They tried to invade Malaysia at one point in history, and it could happen again who knows.. there's already 1million of them here anyway.Its the same in Sabah. Walking around the Karamunsing Shopping Complex was like walking on a bazaar street at Metro Manila... only can hear Tagalog....that's a FACT! (pronounced like the other 4-lettered words....)

USJ27Resident
11-03-2009, 06:16 PM
Well this issue making headlines on BBC.

The Bangladeshis had already been approved for work in Malaysia and had paid M$12,000 ($3,226, £2,357) in fees...

Does it really cost RM12,000 to get a job here...

VISA/LEVY: RM500- RM1000 [ depending on the sector]
Fomema : RM200- RM250
Airfare : RM2000
Processing: RM1000 [including insurance??]

I would say... more than half of the fees ends up as "business profits" to runners, organisers, employment agencies AND "other" vested interests...

RM6,000 x 70,000 heads... thats a helluva profit scalped from the blood and sweat of 'people'.... :(

Sentinel
11-03-2009, 06:22 PM
Does it really cost RM12,000 to get a job here...

VISA/LEVY: RM500- RM1000 [ depending on the sector]
Fomema : RM200- RM250
Airfare : RM2000
Processing: RM1000 [including insurance??]

I would say... more than half of the fees ends up as "business profits" to runners, organisers, employment agencies AND "other" vested interests...

RM6,000 x 70,000 heads... thats a helluva profit scalped from the blood and sweat of 'people'.... :(
In the mid-90s, when I was running a Laser Disc shop on the side in Taipan (yes, LDs... like ages ago....) I used to have a customer from USJ 4 whose cars were some of the best on the road but in gawdy colors of pink, lime green, lightning blue etc and he was filthy rich... his Dad was Home Minister and in charge of issuing permit to bring in foreign workers...

USJ27Resident
11-03-2009, 11:13 PM
[I]More than 70,000 Bangladeshi workers are expected to arrive in Malaysia soon to take up employment in the plantation, construction and services sectors, the Labour Counsellor at the Bangladesh High Commission here, Talat Mahmud Khan, disclosed today.
READ NEWS REPORT HERE (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/19905-70000-more-bangladeshi-workers-for-malaysia)

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/3/11/nation/20090311162934&sec=nation

I really feel sorry for these fellas... :(

charis14
11-03-2009, 11:38 PM
Having spoken to many Bangladeshi workers serving in Shell stations around Subang Jaya, I feel very sorry for them. They borrowed heavily to pay agent fees of RM10,000 to RM12,000 based on lies and false promises. Instead of 'a basic salary of RM1,200 per month with good opportunity for overtime', they have to work long hours to secure around RM800. After paying for basic expenses, there is very little left... and they still have to cover for their loans - from friends/relatives. Many want to return home but they need to earn enough to settle their debts first.

We should stop NEW foreign workers. If absolutely necessary, existing workers should be given the opportunity to extend their visa directly with the ministry (without paying agent fees) for another 1 to 2 years to allow them to recover and save some money.

USJ27Resident
12-03-2009, 12:54 AM
Having spoken to many Bangladeshi workers serving in Shell stations around Subang Jaya, I feel very sorry for them. They borrowed heavily to pay agent fees of RM10,000 to RM12,000 based on lies and false promises.....

This is soooooo true... :(
Speak to them, they'll tell you of all the empty promises and lies fed to them...

Irene Fernandez had struck a raw cord with "some people" when she championed this cause some time back...

tsd
12-03-2009, 09:50 AM
Having spoken to many Bangladeshi workers serving in Shell stations around Subang Jaya, I feel very sorry for them. They borrowed heavily to pay agent fees of RM10,000 to RM12,000 based on lies and false promises. Instead of 'a basic salary of RM1,200 per month with good opportunity for overtime', they have to work long hours to secure around RM800. After paying for basic expenses, there is very little left... and they still have to cover for their loans - from friends/relatives. Many want to return home but they need to earn enough to settle their debts first.

We should stop NEW foreign workers. If absolutely necessary, existing workers should be given the opportunity to extend their visa directly with the ministry (without paying agent fees) for another 1 to 2 years to allow them to recover and save some money.

yep... people say locals dont want to work with the pay of foreign workers. Its more like, locals can't be so easily exploited.

Foreign workers work with such low pay because they have no choice. They are being cheated and exploited. Some who were no so lucky will get mental problems and who knows what some will do in order to survive. AND they cant go home. AND yet we are cheating more of them into our country.

tupai
12-03-2009, 09:54 AM
This is soooooo true... :(
Speak to them, they'll tell you of all the empty promises and lies fed to them...

Irene Fernandez had struck a raw cord with "some people" when she championed this cause some time back...

the some people here are the politically connected ones. They hold the 200+licenses issued by the gomen allowing them to recruit workers, charge all kinda fees, there & here, to come work in bolehland of nasi lemak, yongtaufu & tehtarik.

Yes, talk to those working in shell, esso stations...u will kesian them.

Yang Belum ada foreign workers latotupai :p

fabregas
12-03-2009, 08:02 PM
Do you notice that the way we build houses these days is pretty much the same as 20 years ago (but poorer workmanship generally). Developers don't want to invest in machines and new buidling techniques because they are addicted to cheap labour. Take away this cheap source of labour, and people will innovate on how to pluck fruits from an oil palm tree with machines. You need people to design and build these machines, and you need skilled labour to operate the machine. That is how we have to move up the value chain.

bslee
12-03-2009, 08:26 PM
the some people here

Thats why I say most policy, scheme, act, law, by the regime can lead to some corrupt practices, malpractices, whatever. YOU, I and just about every other mortal here exist to be bled and suffer in silence.
Anyway, Malaysia is too dependent on foreign labor, its sufference still. Who's going to fill the plantations, farms, and construction industries labor workforce... I BET it won't be a lot of locals.

tsd
13-03-2009, 12:29 AM
Thats why I say most policy, scheme, act, law, by the regime can lead to some corrupt practices, malpractices, whatever. YOU, I and just about every other mortal here exist to be bled and suffer in silence.
Anyway, Malaysia is too dependent on foreign labor, its sufference still. Who's going to fill the plantations, farms, and construction industries labor workforce... I BET it won't be a lot of locals.
These cheap labour eventually realised they work their whole life here also can't earn enough to pay their debts at home ( which might even becomes bigger if they borrowed from thier local loan shark). Without money to settle their debts, they cant go home... so I think they will be here permenantly, better make all of them citizen and block any new cheap/cheat labours from coming in.

bslee
13-03-2009, 12:42 AM
Malaysia is in deep trouble and already in a sinkhole on this foreign labor issue. I say again we're too dependant and the situation is critical and irrevesible. I really can't think how the gahmen is going to address it so as it won't cause a chain of events or domino effect (it damn well can!), where the economy, and well being of everyone is going to be severly affected for loss by numerous reasons. Locals just don't want to do menial jobs anymore.. THAT's a BIG problem and very real!. We're churning out more straight A students and they're going to work in factories, plantations, masons, carpenters, waiters, waitresses, farmers, fishermen.. where are the dropouts?.. all excel in exams mah?..

tsd
13-03-2009, 01:59 AM
Malaysia is in deep trouble and already in a sinkhole on this foreign labor issue. I say again we're too dependant and the situation is critical and irrevesible. I really can't think how the gahmen is going to address it so as it won't cause a chain of events or domino effect (it damn well can!), where the economy, and well being of everyone is going to be severly affected for loss by numerous reasons. Locals just don't want to do menial jobs anymore.. THAT's a BIG problem and very real!. We're churning out more straight A students and they're going to work in factories, plantations, masons, carpenters, waiters, waitresses, farmers, fishermen.. where are the dropouts?.. all excel in exams mah?..

They must stop making excuse that local does not want to do the jobs taken by these unskilled foreign workers to bring in more of these workers. Its all about greed and exploitations.

Looks like two groups of people making money from these poor foreign workers.

Group 1:
Those making money from various fees imposed on these workers

Group 2:
Business owner who wants to enriched themself by paying cheap labour to gain maximum profit for themselves. From the stories about the Bangladeshi workers serving in Shell stations around Subang Jaya, it is clear that these foreign workers are not working happily with the pay they are getting now, they take the pay because they have no choice. It is more like, accept or die of hunger staying here or go home to face danger for not paying debts.

bslee
13-03-2009, 02:09 AM
This consequences from Group 1 & 2 is not the issue and doesn't really matter.
The problem is if the gahmen put a full stop or a gradual stop to import of foreign workers, who's going to fill the gap meanwhile?. If its not readily filled in and I'm guessing it won't, during that point in time, its likely going to be pandamonium, wreak havoc and a chain of events will cause the economy to gradually breakdown, price inflation and so on...any excuse, considering how opportunistic those who have the upper hand are going to be. Just a brief forecast.

USJ27Resident
13-03-2009, 02:15 AM
The problem is if the gahmen put a full stop or a gradual stop to import of foreign workers, ....., its likely going to be pandamonium, wreak havoc and a chain of events will cause the economy to gradually breakdown, price inflation and so on...any excuse, considering how opportunistic those who have the upper hand are going to be. Just a brief forecast.

yup... this is what happens when a country's economy is based on "exploited and underpaid foreign labor".
Take it all away... and the country would LITERALLY fall flat on the face... and every person [you and I included] would feel the 'painful' effects almost immediately...

Now this is a catch-22 situation...

bslee
13-03-2009, 02:24 AM
You said it...FALL FLAT!...and we suffer for a phenomenon that went unchecked for 2 over decades. Catch 22?.. We're all caught in the middle lah! :cool:

tsd
13-03-2009, 09:04 AM
yup... this is what happens when a country's economy is based on "exploited and underpaid foreign labor".
Take it all away... and the country would LITERALLY fall flat on the face... and every person [you and I included] would feel the 'painful' effects almost immediately...

Now this is a catch-22 situation...

something still needs to be done, if we do nothing now situation will get worse in the future. With the current mess created, it is not possible to pull the plug and all of them vanished. We can always start by slowly reduce dependence on these cheap exploited labours now. Unfortunately we are seeing more and more of them flooding the country. Food outlets, petrol kiosk, pasar malam, construction sites, hypermarkets, shop assistant, electricians, grass cutter... almost every single corner of the country is run by these people. Where are the locals ? We have 20+ million people... we could hardly see them.

AllUrban
13-03-2009, 10:59 AM
yup... this is what happens when a country's economy is based on "exploited and underpaid foreign labor".
Take it all away... and the country would LITERALLY fall flat on the face... and every person [you and I included] would feel the 'painful' effects almost immediately...

Now this is a catch-22 situation...let's be honest...much of the economy is based on exploited and underpaid labour - local and foreign.

The foreign workers are the ones we see in the 3D (dirty, dangerous, demeaning) jobs. But we also see local workers doing these jobs.

Take away the foreign workers and the low pay and exploitation still exist. It will just be more locals being exploited and overworked and underpaid. Consider this article: Subra: Locals shun jobs with Ďartificial conditionsí (//thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/3/13/nation/3472566&sec=nation)

The working class people are not the only exploited ones. Middle class and professional workers are also exploited and underpaid. Imagine that the typical starting salary for a graduate is RM1500 now and it was RM1500 in 1995!

And yet the government and employers argue that there is no need for minimum wage or salary increase because it will make us less competitive and cause inflation. Hey, Malaysians are already less competitive and inflation is coming anyways. Give us a lifeline!

Cheers, m

ps I cannot begin to tell you the number of employees who have burned out in the 5 years Ive been here working where I am...

VictorII
13-03-2009, 11:45 AM
Try paying them 5k and U see them rushing in. The reason is poor wages and no benefits!

tsd
13-03-2009, 12:04 PM
Try paying them 5k and U see them rushing in. The reason is poor wages and no benefits!

when I was young staying in kampung, I still remember locals goes around on bicycles to cut grass, collecting woods... they can earn enough money to support their whole family. Now you dont see them anymore, only exploited foreign workers who has no choice but to accept whatever pay given to them.

USJ27Resident
13-03-2009, 01:14 PM
You said it...FALL FLAT!...and we suffer for a phenomenon that went unchecked for 2 over decades. Catch 22?.. We're all caught in the middle lah! :cool:

yeah... caused by 22 year reign of a PM that allegedly took care of "his" cohorts and cronies... :p

tsd
17-03-2009, 06:49 PM
wow!!! read the following...

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/3/17/focus/3490174&sec=focus

I suggest they give up their current job and work like those foreigners, being paid like them, live like them and treated like them and then being branded as hardworking :)

bslee
17-03-2009, 08:14 PM
I reckon that link paints quite a general sentiment amongst many employers wanting their businesses to remain competitive and to survive. Look lah..the maids most are getting are mostly perhaps 3 grades or more down compared to a decade back. The good ones don't want to work here but elsewhere where its supposed to be much much better. We're getting crap here anyway...so much for Malaysia heading onto developed nation status!.

AllUrban
18-03-2009, 02:10 PM
another version of that letter

Give me foreign workers any day - http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/100384

Cheers, m

clfoo
19-03-2009, 01:27 AM
u think they will reduce the foreign workers? i dun think so.
it's good income for the cronies, agents and power that be ...

http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=31225