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jadewhite
07-03-2009, 04:55 PM
Any recommendation? Which would be the better place to travel to? France/Italy? FYI.. Am travelling alone

bslee
07-03-2009, 06:32 PM
FYI.. Am travelling alone
Better take a crash course in those two languages first.

tupai
07-03-2009, 06:57 PM
thailand :p

USJ27Resident
07-03-2009, 07:01 PM
Any recommendation? Which would be the better place to travel to? France/Italy? FYI.. Am travelling alone

alone? and you dunno the language... must say, berani !!

ps. have always felt safer in France than in Italy... :p

bslee
07-03-2009, 07:12 PM
ps. have always felt safer in France than in Italy... :p

How come?.. UnLucky Luciano and Al "Framed up" Capone still lurking around?
Hey, Patrick been there lah..and came back smelling of Parmesan..

Sentinel
07-03-2009, 10:08 PM
I will visit both. But if I have only to choose one, and I am travelling alone, I would choose France.

Learn some basic French like food, drinks, toilet, thank you, hotel.... its okay. The French people are proud of their mother tongue so they won't converse with you in English but they do understand what you want, what to do?

Get out of Paris too. Southern France is nice and mediterranean. North is also nice, small towns like Amiens (I worked there before in a petfood factory (Friskies) for 3 months....as part of my training back in '86)...

Travelling alone? Hey its spring time in Paris lah, love is in the air... (Julio Iglegias).

person
08-03-2009, 03:03 AM
I found that most French will speak to you in English. Receptionists, and normal citizens and even waiters in cafes and eateries will understand some.

The only rude ones were the ticketing agents at the metro/train stations, and even they understand, although they show their displeasure quite clearly.

Versailles's glass palace is beautiful and Nice is also a lovely place to go.

Will only be going to Italy in July...so can't say much about that.
:)

USJ27Resident
08-03-2009, 11:23 AM
How come?.. UnLucky Luciano and Al "Framed up" Capone still lurking around?
Hey, Patrick been there lah..and came back smelling of Parmesan..

you'd be suprised to know that there is a higher number number of tourists that kena fleeced & mugged in italy. especially in rome!

italians are generally nice - it is the migrants, the gypsies, the 'refugees' from Albania and other eastern european countries that is the cause for concerned... and lately, the huge number of north africans that flock the capital cities that would put you on guard...

believe it or not... i personally kena 'conned' at the steps of st. peter's square... :( :o

vsat
08-03-2009, 02:12 PM
I'm planning to travel alone to Turkey, Syria and Jordan end of this year. I've travelled alone a lot of times and I guess it's just how you project your attitude in a foreign place that's most important. Put on two roles : the role of the curious tourist and the role of a tough stance tourist.

CS Chua
08-03-2009, 02:12 PM
Any recommendation? Which would be the better place to travel to? France/Italy? FYI.. Am travelling alone
I have not been to Italy so I cannot say. But I did some traveling from Paris to Monaco 10 years back and it was very nice. We spent about 2-3 weeks in France.

Take the train from Paris - Nice route. From Paris to Nice, there are lots of places to stop and visit. There is a train to Monaco (Nice - Monaco). Only 20 minutes and quite cheap.

My SOP is to take a train to the desired town, locate the tourist information booth (and there is always one at the train station), and get a street map of that town. The map not only shows you all the touristy places to visit, it will also show you the hotels/motels around the train station. The hotel's facilities will be indicated by icons next to it e.g. with shower or without shower, toilet etc and the indicative price. After shortlisting the hotels (by intuition) I will just called the hotels and asked them for details. Once satisfied I will go straight to that hotel, check in, leave the bags there and go sight seeing. Repeat that at every town. It is very easy and convenient. You will not regret going south of France to lovely places like Avignon, Cannes, Nice, etc and of course Monaco to see beautiful buildings, cars and people.

In Paris, be prepared for a week stay if you want to see everything. Happy traveling. Enjoy your travel while you are still young.

Naka
08-03-2009, 05:19 PM
Been to both countries and both are good.

With the older generation in France, you may have trouble with them cos' they do not like to hear you speak English.

The young generation are keen to speak in English & they try hard too.

Italians are more keen to speak in English.

I always find this useful.

When speaking to the older ones in France, speak in Chinese or Malay or Indian first untill he/she is fed up.

Then most likely he/she will ask you.

" Can you speak English?"

Just say --" A lit-- a --a little." :p :p :D :D

Then you will get what you are looking for.

Believe me, it works

tupai
08-03-2009, 09:46 PM
when in france or italy or anywhere in euro, when u think that the locals are kinda like anti-inglis...u MUST also refrain from speekin' inglis.

The best bet is to speak Hokkien...no joke!

It works all the time, even in ivory coast! The ticketing fella or bus conductor or beggar or metro pple will be exasperated and then they will speak inglis to u first...then u suddenly also eh? i can also speekin' inglis. :p

Yang Boleh parle francais latotupai :p

jadewhite
08-03-2009, 11:15 PM
you'd be suprised to know that there is a higher number number of tourists that kena fleeced & mugged in italy. especially in rome!

italians are generally nice - it is the migrants, the gypsies, the 'refugees' from Albania and other eastern european countries that is the cause for concerned... and lately, the huge number of north africans that flock the capital cities that would put you on guard...

believe it or not... i personally kena 'conned' at the steps of st. peter's square... :( :o

That's what I heard.. I was even adviced by a Dutch not to go to Rome/Vatican city alone especially for a gal

jadewhite
08-03-2009, 11:17 PM
I have not been to Italy so I cannot say. But I did some traveling from Paris to Monaco 10 years back and it was very nice. We spent about 2-3 weeks in France.

Take the train from Paris - Nice route. From Paris to Nice, there are lots of places to stop and visit. There is a train to Monaco (Nice - Monaco). Only 20 minutes and quite cheap.

My SOP is to take a train to the desired town, locate the tourist information booth (and there is always one at the train station), and get a street map of that town. The map not only shows you all the touristy places to visit, it will also show you the hotels/motels around the train station. The hotel's facilities will be indicated by icons next to it e.g. with shower or without shower, toilet etc and the indicative price. After shortlisting the hotels (by intuition) I will just called the hotels and asked them for details. Once satisfied I will go straight to that hotel, check in, leave the bags there and go sight seeing. Repeat that at every town. It is very easy and convenient. You will not regret going south of France to lovely places like Avignon, Cannes, Nice, etc and of course Monaco to see beautiful buildings, cars and people.

In Paris, be prepared for a week stay if you want to see everything. Happy traveling. Enjoy your travel while you are still young.

Thanks for the recommendation Chua

jadewhite
08-03-2009, 11:19 PM
when in france or italy or anywhere in euro, when u think that the locals are kinda like anti-inglis...u MUST also refrain from speekin' inglis.

The best bet is to speak Hokkien...no joke!

It works all the time, even in ivory coast! The ticketing fella or bus conductor or beggar or metro pple will be exasperated and then they will speak inglis to u first...then u suddenly also eh? i can also speekin' inglis. :p

Yang Boleh parle francais latotupai :p

hhehehe Wise Tips. Thats what i realised when I was in Holland.

gark
10-03-2009, 09:56 PM
Haiz.. this brings back some old memories, i did travel alone throughout Europe on a very tight budget where 10-20 Euro (there was no euro back then.. a bunch of currencies) beds are common and McDonald's is a luxury :D . I travel mostly by public train, where i got a train pass that enable me unlimited travel with most train company.

France is a very beautiful and romantic country, they are generally ok, but a bit anti english.. heh. Went through Le Harve, Calias, Paris, Dijon, Lyon and off to Switzerland. Did not see much of the country, but what i saw was beautiful and serene.

Italy is a bigger contrast, it is dirtier, poorer, more crowded, less polite, a bit more dangerous (a lot of shady ppl) and cheaper but the country is a treasure trove of historical sights. Went to Milan, Bologna, Pisa, Firenze, Florence, Rome, Vatican City, Venice and off to Austria. If you like history, this is the place for you. And the train is less 'posh' like what you get in KTM.

And what would i give to be there again.... :o

gark
10-03-2009, 10:03 PM
That's what I heard.. I was even adviced by a Dutch not to go to Rome/Vatican city alone especially for a gal

Hah, i still remember when i have a bicycle lock, where i would lock the sleeper cabin on the overnight train in Italy. Got into a commotion though when the ticket checker can't open the door and started banging the door. :D. I also used to lock my bag to the bed when i sleep.

CS Chua
10-03-2009, 10:14 PM
I'm planning to travel alone to Turkey, Syria and Jordan end of this year. I've travelled alone a lot of times and I guess it's just how you project your attitude in a foreign place that's most important. Put on two roles : the role of the curious tourist and the role of a tough stance tourist.
When you are in Jordan, make sure you visit Petra. It is really one of the wonders of the ancient world. To me, I needed 2 days to feel and experience it. What a fantastic place. Jerash is nice too but not as awesome as Petra. If you are religious, there are 5 old prophets buried around the town Salt.

Turkey is on my list of countries to visit. It has so much history.

avusblue
11-03-2009, 12:09 PM
Any recommendation? Which would be the better place to travel to? France/Italy? FYI.. Am travelling alone

How do you define "better"? There is no better. They are different, and choosing which one to visit would depend on:

1. What do you want to see and experience? The good and beautiful life - France. History - Italy.
2. How much time do you have? Spots between Italy is nearer, hence you'll save time traveling from one town to another and probably see more.
3. What's your budget? Italy is cheaper, France will be pricier.
4. What do you want to experience? Clean, proper, more relaxed people and towns - France. Grubbier, more exciting, dodgier people and towns -Italy.

There's no better IMO. Just what do you want out of it. Either way u choose, spend at least 4 days in Paris. You'll only be scratching the surface even then. Anything less, and you're a tourist on a whirlwind attraction spotting exercise.

Italy - Florence, Rome, Venice, oh ... so many to list. I liked the Puglia region, towns like Alberobello ... there's not many tourists to the region compared to the other regions, but beautiful countryside and really not much english spoken ... and ppl kept thinking we were japanese.

Oh, and most of the time, staying safe is just doing things with common sense. There's plenty of travelling tips all over the web so I won't repeat it here. Also, avoid tourist traps by checking out virtualtourist.com first.

AND, I feel safer in Rome or any european city than in Kuala Lumpur.

drtwewe
12-03-2009, 09:40 PM
Went to France 2003 and Italy 2007, extended my stay after business meeting.
I prefer France, no question asked!

jadewhite
13-03-2009, 04:13 PM
Can share some tips? Places of interest, where to stay and where to shop?

patrick
13-03-2009, 04:47 PM
How come?.. UnLucky Luciano and Al "Framed up" Capone still lurking around?
Hey, Patrick been there lah..and came back smelling of Parmesan..

wah terra lah my friend! How I smell also u know! Susah lah...no more secret!

Anyway, I certainly prefer France to Italy. France is a lovely country & esp folks in country side are luvly. Dont miss out Versailles. Take a bus frm Paris. Also Notre Dame Church.

Sentinel
13-03-2009, 06:05 PM
wah terra lah my friend! How I smell also u know! Susah lah...no more secret!

Anyway, I certainly prefer France to Italy. France is a lovely country & esp folks in country side are luvly. Dont miss out Versailles. Take a bus frm Paris. Also Notre Dame Church.
What is the French word for a "Smeller"? Ha Ha BSLee the smeller... better watch his sniffin' around, man!

patrick
13-03-2009, 07:08 PM
When you are in Jordan, make sure you visit Petra. It is really one of the wonders of the ancient world. To me, I needed 2 days to feel and experience it. What a fantastic place. Jerash is nice too but not as awesome as Petra. If you are religious, there are 5 old prophets buried around the town Salt.

Turkey is on my list of countries to visit. It has so much history.

Agree. Petra...DONT MISS IT!! The journey to the site itself is treasurous. The destination is mouth-gaping!! The magnificent change of hue of the rock face itself (if you spend long enough hours there) is magical!! And when in Jordan, take time to have fun at the Dead sea. An experience you will never forget!! The more so if you cant swim !!

And yes, Turkey is another highly recommended destination. It's a truly all in one destination. You get to experience cave living, holy religious site and the wonderous harmony of Muslim and Christianity at one of the holy places (sorry cant remember the name), ancient Roman ruins in Ephesus(did you know the largest Roman ancient city outside of Rome was in Turkey?), ruins of Troy (did you know Troy is in Turkey?), beautiful beach resorts, ancient tunnels, white chalk lake formation, ancient mosques etc etc. and great food, not forgetting apple tea and Turkish delights!! And shopping at one of the largest bazaars in the world! And lots, lots more. Turkey is incredible!!

patrick
13-03-2009, 07:18 PM
I have not been to Italy so I cannot say. But I did some traveling from Paris to Monaco 10 years back and it was very nice. We spent about 2-3 weeks in France.

Take the train from Paris - Nice route. From Paris to Nice, there are lots of places to stop and visit. There is a train to Monaco (Nice - Monaco). Only 20 minutes and quite cheap.

My SOP is to take a train to the desired town, locate the tourist information booth (and there is always one at the train station), and get a street map of that town. The map not only shows you all the touristy places to visit, it will also show you the hotels/motels around the train station. The hotel's facilities will be indicated by icons next to it e.g. with shower or without shower, toilet etc and the indicative price. After shortlisting the hotels (by intuition) I will just called the hotels and asked them for details. Once satisfied I will go straight to that hotel, check in, leave the bags there and go sight seeing. Repeat that at every town. It is very easy and convenient. You will not regret going south of France to lovely places like Avignon, Cannes, Nice, etc and of course Monaco to see beautiful buildings, cars and people.

In Paris, be prepared for a week stay if you want to see everything. Happy traveling. Enjoy your travel while you are still young.

If in summer, the man folks might find time to hang around the beach at St Tropez !!

Sentinel
13-03-2009, 09:15 PM
If in summer, the man folks might find time to hang around the beach at St Tropez !!There were some nudist bathers at Batu Ferringhi beach last December but the men-and-women-in-blue came around and went around the beach advising them to cover up... for a while, me and my wife were thinking we were staying in St. Tropez...

patrick
15-03-2009, 11:56 AM
There were some nudist bathers at Batu Ferringhi beach last December but the men-and-women-in-blue came around and went around the beach advising them to cover up... for a while, me and my wife were thinking we were staying in St. Tropez...

Wah lau...You smart lah! Instantly know what I was talking about!! Great lah you!!

Sentinel
15-03-2009, 12:04 PM
Wah lau...You smart lah! Instantly know what I was talking about!! Great lah you!!I have been to St Tropz lah brader ha ha! When I was working in Vevey, SWitzerland, once on a 3-month attachment with a "giant milk company", I was living in a little 2-roomed villa next to Lake Geneva, there also got free show in summer.... right outside my windows...

patrick
15-03-2009, 03:26 PM
I have been to St Tropz lah brader ha ha! When I was working in Vevey, SWitzerland, once on a 3-month attachment with a "giant milk company", I was living in a little 2-roomed villa next to Lake Geneva, there also got free show in summer.... right outside my windows...

Aiyoh...now you are making me salivate. Think I should head to South of France again soon!! ;-)

jadewhite
15-03-2009, 09:44 PM
I have been to St Tropz lah brader ha ha! When I was working in Vevey, SWitzerland, once on a 3-month attachment with a "giant milk company", I was living in a little 2-roomed villa next to Lake Geneva, there also got free show in summer.... right outside my windows...

For them its normal.... For malaysian, cuci mata. Scheveningen is a superb cuci mata location too.

tupai
16-03-2009, 12:31 PM
For them its normal.... For malaysian, cuci mata. Scheveningen is a superb cuci mata location too.

U all told only half truth lah! :p

Dont for even 1 minit, think that the strolling/sunbathing naked female bodies there are all stacked like 36B-26-36 ...many are way past expiry dates! And others in serious need of a massive liposuction, botox and complete engine rebuilding! :p ditto the men folks! Wrinkled prunes aplenty!

Some of these eye candies are best not viewed, lest u will puke and turn u off the opposite sex forever!

Yang Banyak cucimata latotupai :p

jadewhite
18-03-2009, 10:07 PM
shhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... enticing yeah.. At least the other half are truth ya!

patrick
19-03-2009, 01:00 AM
U all told only half truth lah! :p

Dont for even 1 minit, think that the strolling/sunbathing naked female bodies there are all stacked like 36B-26-36 ...many are way past expiry dates! And others in serious need of a massive liposuction, botox and complete engine rebuilding! :p ditto the men folks! Wrinkled prunes aplenty!

Some of these eye candies are best not viewed, lest u will puke and turn u off the opposite sex forever!

Yang Banyak cucimata latotupai :p

Aiyah...!!! Why you go look at the other half and not the "better" half?? Your wife with you ka? ;-)

jadewhite
21-03-2009, 12:16 AM
Lookingat the current situation in France, looks like tak jadi go there. So, just stay put in Holland. Hopefully in the coming two weeks, things wil calm down, sigh!

patrick
21-03-2009, 08:55 AM
Lookingat the current situation in France, looks like tak jadi go there. So, just stay put in Holland. Hopefully in the coming two weeks, things wil calm down, sigh!

Hey, did I miss something? What's the "current situation in France"?

isarahim
21-03-2009, 10:06 AM
There is no issue for travelling in France right now.

If anything, you might find a lot of bargains and price drops.

SunwayK
22-03-2009, 03:11 PM
Lookingat the current situation in France, looks like tak jadi go there. So, just stay put in Holland. Hopefully in the coming two weeks, things wil calm down, sigh!

I just returned from France yesterday to Netherlands. I don't know what situation you are referring to but I was not delayed, shot, confronted or anything upleasant.

Returning to France again this week to seek the bargains that Isarahim mentioned.

clarence
22-03-2009, 04:30 PM
I will be in Paris early May for 4 nights. Any Holiday Inn recommendation? Preferable close to tourist attractions.

cskok8
23-03-2009, 12:02 AM
I just returned from France yesterday to Netherlands. I don't know what situation you are referring to but I was not delayed, shot, confronted or anything upleasant.

Returning to France again this week to seek the bargains that Isarahim mentioned.

I think he is referring to the strikes there. Not to worry, there are always strikes and demonstrations somewhere in Europe.

SunwayK
23-03-2009, 01:35 AM
I will be in Paris early May for 4 nights. Any Holiday Inn recommendation? Preferable close to tourist attractions.
Not sure of Holiday Inn but Ibis at La Defense is a well placed budget hotel. 5 mins walk to the metro, about 4 km (or 5 stops) to Champs Elysee and other major attraction. Weekend rates are much cheaper than weekdays. But don't expect great service.


I think he is referring to the strikes there. Not to worry, there are always strikes and demonstrations somewhere in Europe.
Strikes and demo is almost a way of life in France. It happens so frequently that it shouldn't really disrupt one's travelling plans unless one is paranoid about it.