Toll Rates Increase

[chewie]

After a short joy of toll demolishion.. Do read here... (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/2/26/nation/20090226112045&sec=nation)


What is the point of demolishing toll at NPE and Salak Expressway and they want to increase the toll. And still want to increase the toll. Now the economic is in a downturn and want us, the rakyat to suffer for higher toll rate?

[bslee]

Now the economic is in a downturn and want us, the rakyat to suffer for higher toll rate?

As long as its owned by the concessionaires, we're all subjected to toll increase one time or another, regardless of economic situation. The terms in the contract will be executed anyhow. The rakyat gave them the mandate on a plate and allowed signing lobsided contracts. We deserve what we got!
Lets not whine about it...keep quiet and cough up if anyone choose to use those roads. Didn't one former works head honcho say, "wanna use, pay lah!"

[USJ27Resident]

North-South Expressway (Plus), Sprint, Ampang Elevated Highway, Sg Besi Highway, and New Pantai Expressway.

Hell... they take down the toll which is least used... let everyone in that neighbourhood cheer... then proceeds to SCREW the rest of us that cannot help but DRIVE THRU the main toll booths... :mad: :mad: :mad:

Hell, you can't even make a legal RIGHT turn to use the underside of the OLD KLANG RD to avoid the Sunway toll...

17 million for some stupid condos can spend... but still bleed the rakyat with the toll. come to think of it - spend billions for two submarines [which would probably never be used] but cannot BUY back those blood sucking CONcessionaires... :mad:

[Shaneburger]

...What is the point of demolishing toll at NPE and Salak Expressway and they want to increase the toll. And still want to increase the toll. Now the economic is in a downturn and want us, the rakyat to suffer for higher toll rate?

sorry rakyat is not in BN/Umno vocabulary .. next question?

Malaysia Boleh :D

[bslee]

sorry rakyat is not in BN/Umno vocabulary .. next question?
Malaysia Boleh :D
Got lah! Only at one particular period of time.

[pucman]

After a short joy of toll demolishion.. Do read here... (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/2/26/nation/20090226112045&sec=nation)


?

Whenever they do something good in future, we must be wary that there's a storm coming.....

[USJ27Resident]

Whenever they do something good in future, we must be wary that there's a storm coming.....


you mean, like give with the LEFT hand, then hammer you with the RIGHT! :p

[bslee]

you mean, like give with the LEFT hand, then hammer you with the RIGHT! :p

Hahaah!.. you've been watching too much of Road runner cartoons ah!..
but thats a good one and well said!.. They leave you sulking too!

[pucman]

you mean, like give with the LEFT hand, then hammer you with the RIGHT! :p

It's similar to before election, they give a lot of goodies. After election, .....

[tsd]

people are losing jobs and now increase of toll again ( price of stuff will increase too ).

[QuietStorm]

you mean, like give with the LEFT hand, then hammer you with the RIGHT! :pNo, more like give you loose change with left hand, robs you with the right, then finally give you a good kick in the groin. :eek: Muther...... -beep!-

[bslee]

Ah.. twist n turn with words..its still be painful for many.

[QuietStorm]

Ah.. twist n turn with words..its still be painful for many.You betcha! Unless one takes kapchai to work. :p

[USJ27Resident]

people are losing jobs and now increase of toll again ( price of stuff will increase too ).

I bloody wonder - if those VIPs "ever" got pay toll - everytime they freaking use the TOLLED road,...

[AllUrban]

I bloody wonder - if those VIPs "ever" got pay toll - everytime they freaking use the TOLLED road,...Ive never seen a vip using the touch n go or smart tag.

I have seen the Agung's Rolls Royce at the Jalan Duta toll...and his vehicle went through a regular lane which was cleared out by the outriders.

I think some people were moved through without paying toll to clear the way for the Agung.

Cheers, m

[pucman]

I bloody wonder - if those VIPs "ever" got pay toll - everytime they freaking use the TOLLED road,...

It's the same as whether they know the agony of being in a traffic jam because everytime we have to make way for them like in an ambulance.

that's why public transportation is still in bad shape.

[bslee]

You see folks, lots of deficiencies like public transport, services and whatever are to the disappointment of the rakyat. Monopoly companies rule and bring revenue back to the ruling regime somehow, someway, backdoor, sidedoor, its loose loose for the rakyat. You're all CORNERED to use pay for facilities to keep up, and they serve to patch the deficiencies in the country. No need to be forewarned that the situation will be status quo and snail paced progress for a long time to come. If there's just as good alternatives as with roads and public transport, you bet the rakyat will take advantage to the fullest and these monopoly companies will loose money. Observe at some of the ongoing road projects or road widening works around?, Do you see millions of workers industriously working to complete the project sooner than expected?. YOU'RE ALL SCREWED to the max! Enough said.

[Sentinel]

Last time, when they imposed the toll at Jalan Cheras, DAP led a massive protest attended by thousands.

Now, with this 5% increase in toll charges, especially the North-South Highway, everybody just buat bodh and diam-diam saja.

Malaysians deserve to be bullied and made to pay.

Why? Because history and experience tells us lorry transporters will up their rates and fresh supplies, consumer goods and veggies are going to cost more soon.

What is the point of a second economic stimulus, tell me lah!

[QuietStorm]

Because history and experience tells us lorry transporters will up their rates and fresh supplies, consumer goods and veggies are going to cost more soon.Ahh..yes..perfect reason for our beloved USJ hawkers to raise prices yet again. Charkeowtiau, RM5.50, anyone?

[Sentinel]

The Works Minister confirmed that the government compensated the toll concessionaires RM245 million for 2008 for not increasing the toll rate last year.

My question is this - since you are going to introduce the much-touted RM70 billion second economic stimulus, why can't you just pay RM245 million for another year rather than to allow the rakyats to suffer?

To think that this toll increase will definitely lead to price increases of essential items and cost of living!

I am wondering who's advising the government?

[gtl]

our ever great gomen continue to sign lop sided contract with these Highway Builders or IPP, there is no peace for the people.

[jimmyay]

What is the STORY after Highway & Toll Contract is made public last 1-2 mths back? I remember even our YB Hannah Yeoh is there to view the contract.

Maybe Msian really deserve all this suffering cos we are forgetful and forgiveful too.

[fRaNkY]

Wah! 86cents (on mkini chart or was it 68cents? :confused: ) per km for north-south..... to JB dunno how much...

NPE aslo increase to RM2!~ siaO!

So, more people will die ontrunk roads and prices of essentials going up again :mad:

[chewie]

As for NPE, actually they demolish one toll actually makes no difference ?

They took out RM1.60 toll but they going to increase other toll to RM2. A 40 cents hike. There are about 5 tolls along NPE. So 40 cents x 5 = RM2. Old toll rate is 1.60, thus they are making extra 40 cents. So whats the diff..

[vaw]

Well the diff is WE are the one that is going to suffer. Haizzzzzzzzz...... Gomen asked us to understand them but do they understand us. 70 billion might as well use to buy over LDP, PLUS and NPE. Rakyat happy !!!!!!!!!

[bslee]

Well the diff is WE

How should anyone understand a "lobsided" agreement that was signed on behalf of the rakyat? There's no difference anyhow. The rakyat are made to pay...simple and true. Perhaps why the agreement documents were all classified in the first place, entirely against any sort of transparency. Thats this regime for you all..don't complain!.

[AllUrban]

What is the STORY after Highway & Toll Contract is made public last 1-2 mths back? I remember even our YB Hannah Yeoh is there to view the contract.

Maybe Msian really deserve all this suffering cos we are forgetful and forgiveful too.check out tonypua.blogspot.com for more details about the toll agreements and what the DAP has to say about tolls.

I bet uncle Kit has an earful for the government.

Heehheheh sad to say but this will be AABs legacy...and Najib's first task in office will be to defuse the controversy.

A last minute kick from AAB to Najib? Or something else?

Cheers, m

[scorgio]

......... but cannot BUY back those blood sucking CONcessionaires... :mad:
PLUS is already 70% state-owned (Govt, Khazanah, KWSP & GLCs). And yet they still speak like the Govt is a 3rd party.

Lets face it, all these highway concession is just a puppet to provide money making opportunity to the 'special ones' and to launder money.

[gtl]

anybody has any statistics on the average amount of toll malaysian pays compare to our neighbours?
i think it is crazy, some of us will hv to pay toll just to get anywhere, there is no escape, 24/7, jam or no jam...........rain or shine.

[Plantronic]

We work to get salary to survive . but Gov did not give chance to people to save money.. Income tax, Cukai Pintu, Cukai tanah, tol, parking, Indah water , increase petrol & electic , suddenly cop give summons, if do business some gov officer come ask $$ :eek:

[bslee]

We work to get salary to survive . but Gov did not give chance to people to save money.. Income tax, Cukai Pintu, Cukai tanah, tol, parking, Indah water , increase petrol & electic , suddenly cop give summons, if do business some gov officer come ask $$ :eek:

If wealth, security and stability is what you're after, you've to be ruthless and bold...period! That is what society have become and perhaps worse in neighboring countries by varying degrees. Morals or what your parents taught you would take a back seat nearly altogether. It perhaps serves as to be passed down to your offspring, then the vicious cycle begins again. Unfortunate.

[USJ27Resident]

How should anyone understand a "lobsided" agreement that was signed on behalf of the rakyat?

That's the question - did the Gomen represent the CONcessionaires or did the Gomen represent the Rakyat...??? If ANY agreement had needed to be signed - wouldn't be in the best interest of the Rakyat instead of some freaking business entity???

Yet the freaking Gomen is still harping on all the "good" things that is done for the RAKYAT !! What a load Bullsh!t !! :mad:

[gtl]

if we the rakyat boycott the highway, and the CONcessionaires loses money - Gomen pays them compensation which is Rakyat's money again.

so how to have a win win situation???

[bslee]

if we the rakyat boycott the highway, and the CONcessionaires loses money - Gomen pays them compensation which is Rakyat's money again.
so how to have a win win situation???

Not only that. You and everyone else is not allowed to demo, instigate, sabotage to boycott tolled roads..nanti kena ISA or some detention!... believe it or not?. They've got just about everything covered, except your right to vote.

[Plantronic]

Just support PKR.. Rakyat happy ;) :D

[peace_relax]

Just support PKR.. Rakyat happy ;) :D
But if support them will rakyat's kebajikan be taken care of? Or will AI become AAB and make problems worse?

[Sentinel]

What is the STORY after Highway & Toll Contract is made public last 1-2 mths back? I remember even our YB Hannah Yeoh is there to view the contract.

Maybe Msian really deserve all this suffering cos we are forgetful and forgiveful too.The toll agreements were 'opened' for public viewing but no copies could be made.

With due respect to YB Hannah Yeoh and YB Tony Pua who viewed the agreements, I do not think they understand the agreements or could fathom the impact of these lobsided agreements in terms of financial and social impact....

This is like hangat-hangat taik ayam (hot hot chicken sh!t!) everyone clamoured to have the agreements made public, but tell me whatb happened after it was made public?

Maybe some forumers reading this can pass the message to YB Hannah Yeoh, apa sudah jadi? Who is going to champion the rakyats' cause in Parliament?

[Sentinel]

But if support them will rakyat's kebajikan be taken care of? Or will AI become AAB and make problems worse?Appreciate if this argument is taken elsewhere, maybe a new thread. This thread is on TOLL and how forumers are having to pay more for toll and the subsequent effect this increase has on price of essential goods, thank you, Sir!

[SunwayK]

.....With due respect to YB Hannah Yeoh and YB Tony Pua who viewed the agreements, I do not think they understand the agreements or could fathom the impact of these lobsided agreements in terms of financial and social impact....

This is like hangat-hangat taik ayam (hot hot chicken sh!t!) everyone clamoured to have the agreements made public, but tell me whatb happened after it was made public?....
After it was made public, there was this proposal which was reported here:-

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/19159-dap-
proposes-plan-for-north-south-expressway-to-toll-free-by-2016

and here....

http://tonypua.blogspot.com/2009/02/plus-toll-free-by-2016.html

I believe the YBs do understand and proposed a way to right a wrong - but obviously not widely reported in the MSM.

[Sentinel]

After it was made public, there was this proposal which was reported here:-

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/19159-dap-
proposes-plan-for-north-south-expressway-to-toll-free-by-2016

and here....

http://tonypua.blogspot.com/2009/02/plus-toll-free-by-2016.html

I believe the YBs do understand and proposed a way to right a wrong - but obviously not widely reported in the MSM.Well, have it brought up in parliament and have it recorded in the hansard.

Organise public forums to discuss the proposals.

Sooner or later, those folks in Putrajaya will feel the heat....

[clfoo]

Organise public forums to discuss the proposals.
To be fair, there was forums of such:
http://tonypua.blogspot.com/2009/02/forum-can-we-have-our-highways-back.html

Now, is there any so call ppl caring BN members care enough to put forward any proposals or form an action group to elevate the problem once and for all?

Looks who is talking now?
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/2/26/nation/20090226112045&sec=nation
playing both Devil and Angel role, kick u at the groin then massage your finger. listen how similar tune was playing from the broken record:
song#1)hike petrol price recklessly then lower them after all damage done then asked for appreciation.
song#2)asking own party members i.e.umno, mca protested infront of toll booth knowing that it's gonna be abolished on the next day to gain cheap publicity n credits.
:mad:

[SunwayK]

...Organise public forums to discuss the proposals.........

There was a public forum recently "Can we have our highways back" which you must have missed. In the forum, some has called for the enactment of an Unfair Public Contracts Act that will allow for lopsided concession agreements to be reviewed. Without the majority, this piece of proposed legislation will be recorded in the Hansard once raised but remain just that.

Many others that have been recorded in the Hansard does not generate much action such as the PKRZ scandal, Pempanas scandal, Correct correct affair with people who have benefited laughing all the way to the bank. Sooner or later, it goes cold as long as the status quo remain.

[Sentinel]

I bloody wonder - if those VIPs "ever" got pay toll - everytime they freaking use the TOLLED road,...Yes, they do. They used a TAG too but they receive RM300 allowance for toll in their payslip, from taxpayers' money, and you are the one paying the taxes too. You also have to pay your own toll. Now how?

[Sentinel]

There was a public forum recently "Can we have our highways back" which you must have missed. In the forum, some has called for the enactment of an Unfair Public Contracts Act that will allow for lopsided concession agreements to be reviewed. Without the majority, this piece of proposed legislation will be recorded in the Hansard once raised but remain just that.

Many others that have been recorded in the Hansard does not generate much action such as the PKRZ scandal, Pempanas scandal, Correct correct affair with people who have benefited laughing all the way to the bank. Sooner or later, it goes cold as long as the status quo remain.The fighting stamina of the current batch of MPs (despite there are many more in number) just ain't there. They are not focused and they tend to prefer debating hot topics of the day and playing to the gallery.

I am not sure if you are old enough to have heard of Tan Sri Dr Tan Chee Koon? That was one MP who was really "pak si bo chow" attitude...

YB Lim Kit Siang was also quite fiery in his own right besides his other colleagues Karpal Singh, the late P. Patto, V. David and the Seenivasagam brothers from Ipoh.

There was one up and coming one in the early 90s ie Wee Chee Keong, now with PKR, but somehow he simmered down, wonder why?

Sadly, there are many more (quantity) of the MPs these days but the quality just ain't there, pity.

[bslee]

Errr.. I think you may be only half right. 50 years of dominance and lobsided acts working in their favor have made life very difficult for any opposition MP's to gain an upper hand. Even the current best opposition individuals are not really making any headway, except to reduce the majority. Secondly, I'm sure you've heard of Fed gahmen dilly dally tactics that seem to block or hamper any progress or good proposals. They hold the money bags anyway and are untouchable even if opposition takes power. Its all been laid out!.. we're DOOMED, which is likely an understatement. God Bless "other" Malaysians and pendatangs who allowed this to happen long past.

[Sentinel]

I know BS. I feel sad too sometimes when I think what's gonna be happenin' to this Bolehland.

I feel even sadder that parties like Gerakan, MCA and MIC played a major role in dragging this country down as well for their personal vested interests.

Just watch Chua Soi Lek, they are taking out the knives for him already... this is what they are more interested in, politicking, not taking care of the welfare of Malaysians....

[Shaneburger]

Instead of "blasting" our politicians, we should come up with creative ways to protest ala Mahatma Gandhi's satyagraha (ie resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience)

unfortunately, me not creative enough plus all my suggestions are illegal :D

anyone?

btw, enjoy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyagraha

[Sentinel]

Looks like the PM has lived up to his reputation again. He is now saying the toll increase may be reversed....

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/2/26/nation/20090226112045&sec=nation

Flip-Flopping until the last days too, Sir!

[bslee]

Even a PM can't go against whats black n white. Its good as law. They can only delay the matter, nevertheless the rakyat HAVE to cough out...no choice!

[USJ27Resident]

Yes, they do. They used a TAG too but they receive RM300 allowance for toll in their payslip, from taxpayers' money, and you are the one paying the taxes too. You also have to pay your own toll. Now how?

Damnit!!! Kalau macam ini, "mana ada jalan"... "pergi-tak pergi kerja" pun dapat elaun 300/- untuk jmenggunakan jalanraya ber-tol.

macam ini saya pun mau jadi ahli politik la... eh, nak tanya sikit - boleh? ...elaun kondom ada tak? ?? :confused:

[bslee]

Heh.. didn't I say 50 years of cover-ups and they've covered up just about everything you can think of that ultimately comes from the tax payer. Every bit of administration booty comes from the tax payer or someone being fined...period!. Yep, the Nile river belly dancing sambil belajar expenses certainly come from YOU, me and 25 million other rakyat..like it or not!

[clfoo]

Instead of "blasting" our politicians, we should come up with creative ways to protest ala Mahatma Gandhi's satyagraha (ie resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience)

unfortunately, me not creative enough plus all my suggestions are illegal :D

anyone?

btw, enjoy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyagraha

creative way?
as national duty i gonna ask all youngster i meet to register as voter and enlighten old folks with news from another dimension which they don't get from main stream media, together we detox those najis out, that's the only chance for us to have a healthy colon :D
Can you do your piece?

[birdy]

Even a PM can't go against whats black n white. Its good as law. They can only delay the matter, nevertheless the rakyat HAVE to cough out...no choice!
Why not.. as what were done previously... the govt will fork out RAKYAT money to compensate these blood suckers and claim that they are the saviour to RAKYAT .. clever plan, isn't it? :D

[birdy]

The situation has now changed, and the economy has not become better as yet, which was why we recently decided to introduce the second stimulus package or the mini-budget.

”People are having difficulties. The situation is not right for a toll hike.

”I felt that this matter needed to be discussed again in the Cabinet."

Hooray .... isn't this our hero ??????????????????????? :o

[chewie]

IMHO ... even how we protest, organize this, organize that, will the Government hear us? Look at LDP previously, when it raise up to RM1.60, ppl do protest, but in the end, nothing can be done and ppl still using the road....it will happen to any highway..

the government can do something, but the question is will they do it?

[fRaNkY]

They should use the oil price reduction to buy back the toll road. Petrol should remain at 1.80 and use the reduction to acquire the toll roads.

Further reducing oil oso no point since prices of goods will not go down....

[pucman]

They should use the oil price reduction to buy back the toll road. Petrol should remain at 1.80 and use the reduction to acquire the toll roads.

Further reducing oil oso no point since prices of goods will not go down....

Last time in 2006, they said they will use the petrol price increase for improvement in public transport such as LRT.

After 3 years, public transport is still horrible.

So where did the money go ?

[fRaNkY]

Last time in 2006, they said they will use the petrol price increase for improvement in public transport such as LRT.

After 3 years, public transport is still horrible.

So where did the money go ?

Ask me not.... ask the gobermen ;)

[gark]

Aiyah ... all the same one lah. If no increase, the government compensate them with our taxpayer's money, we lose. If got increase, we compensate them, we also lose. If any public company can sign sign such lopsided deals, I am sure the board will kick out the CEO. Where got business deal come with capital guarantee, cheap loans, guaranteed profit, continuous increment and protected forever? Basically a risk free, cash cow business.. we are the cows to be milked continuously.. moo! Now to kick out the CEO who sign this deal... :rolleyes:

[ivanhow]

... spend billions for two submarines [which would probably never be used] but cannot BUY back those blood sucking CONcessionaires... :mad:
Hi USJ27Resident :) , Nice to know how many B was spent on the 2 subs.
Wonder what the price to buy back those b..s.. concessionaires.. ? A few cool Bs?

HAND!

[cskok8]

Instead of "blasting" our politicians, we should come up with creative ways to protest ala Mahatma Gandhi's satyagraha (ie resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience)

unfortunately, me not creative enough plus all my suggestions are illegal :D

btw, enjoy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyagraha

How about refusing to pay toll when the highway is jammed? After all we pay toll supposedly to have a smooth and fast drive to our destination, not to get stuck in a jam before, at and after the toll plaza (as at Sunway every morning).

[ivanhow]

Perhaps if the right ppl protest, the toll can be removed. If the ppl looks like old folks, and children, not working class type - then, perhaps the toll booths may go. :D

[bslee]

Perhaps if the right ppl protest, the toll can be removed. If the ppl looks like old folks, and children, not working class type - then, perhaps the toll booths may go. :D

The majority of rakyat (counting rural) are still middle and low income. Price inflation of essentials already hurt a lot. Just like how the monopoly or GLC's are playing the price of the most important essential like rice...BERAS!.. tell me they're not F'fing around with the price with ensureing great profit regardless of country's economy. This is already a very ****ty country where rakyat are ultimately getting little value back from a voted gahmen, YET, the rakyat don't learn or realize what they're doing at every GE!.

[ivanhow]

The majority of rakyat (counting rural) are still middle and low income. Price inflation of essentials already hurt a lot. Just like how the monopoly or GLC's are playing the price of the most important essential like rice...BERAS!.. tell me they're not F'fing around with the price with ensureing great profit regardless of country's economy. This is already a very ****ty country where rakyat are ultimately getting little value back from a voted gahmen, YET, the rakyat don't learn or realize what they're doing at every GE!.
The idea was to see where (which location) they cud milk from. Maybe, I was wrong, but the recent protestors at the NPE were mainly of the same look :p, wasn't it? The decision to scrap the toll was pretty quick considering who were protesting. Perhaps, it was a legal protest (with permit issued)?

[jimmyay]

The toll agreements were 'opened' for public viewing but no copies could be made.

With due respect to YB Hannah Yeoh and YB Tony Pua who viewed the agreements, I do not think they understand the agreements or could fathom the impact of these lobsided agreements in terms of financial and social impact....

This is like hangat-hangat taik ayam (hot hot chicken sh!t!) everyone clamoured to have the agreements made public, but tell me whatb happened after it was made public?

Maybe some forumers reading this can pass the message to YB Hannah Yeoh, apa sudah jadi? Who is going to champion the rakyats' cause in Parliament?

Please someone pass the message to YB Hannah Yeoh!!

It is very disappointing when eveything we say are turn to deaf ear. Complain & complain doesn't seems to work. Malaysian attitude...."3 MINUTES HOT-HOT" or some say "JUST KAIPOH" only.

If we avoid TOLL, we are just giving ourselves headache & wasting time. Most of the TOLL, are strategically placed BEFORE going to IMPORTANT PLACES.

Is KESAS highway still the MOST EXPENSIVE ONE?...The Sunway Toll & Awan Besar Toll cost RM4.40 within such a short distance.

I witness some people avoid paying toll by following the car-in-front at a very close distance. Then rush through the toll booth TOGETHER before the barrier is DOWN.

[pucman]

How about refusing to pay toll when the highway is jammed? After all we pay toll supposedly to have a smooth and fast drive to our destination, not to get stuck in a jam before, at and after the toll plaza (as at Sunway every morning).

Malaysia must be the only country in the world that forced the citizens to pay toll just to be stuck in a jam. (eg. sunway LDP) Arrggh...

[bslee]

Malaysia must be the only country in the world that forced the citizens to pay toll just to be stuck in a jam. (eg. sunway LDP) Arrggh...

Didn't I say you ultimately get little value and shortchanged anyhow.
They're only postponing the issue. It'll be double whammy when time's up!.

[Sentinel]

Didn't I say you ultimately get little value and shortchanged anyhow.
They're only postponing the issue. It'll be double whammy when time's up!.
The whole thing is so damn stupid. Like the contracts with the IPPs, the toll concessionaires practically can raise their rates every year. Wonder why the ex-PM Tun Dr M is so quiet?

[Plantronic]

Looks like the PM has lived up to his reputation again. He is now saying the toll increase may be reversed....

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/2/26/nation/20090226112045&sec=nation

Flip-Flopping until the last days too, Sir!

He said like this because of the election la.. B4 election said no increase petrol .. now after april election then u see la
:D

[Plantronic]

Perhaps if the right ppl protest, the toll can be removed. If the ppl looks like old folks, and children, not working class type - then, perhaps the toll booths may go. :D


Then all right ppl in ISA.. consider kumpulan haram :D

[Plantronic]

Please someone pass the message to YB Hannah Yeoh!!

It is very disappointing when eveything we say are turn to deaf ear. Complain & complain doesn't seems to work. Malaysian attitude...."3 MINUTES HOT-HOT" or some say "JUST KAIPOH" only.

If we avoid TOLL, we are just giving ourselves headache & wasting time. Most of the TOLL, are strategically placed BEFORE going to IMPORTANT PLACES.

Is KESAS highway still the MOST EXPENSIVE ONE?...The Sunway Toll & Awan Besar Toll cost RM4.40 within such a short distance.

I witness some people avoid paying toll by following the car-in-front at a very close distance. Then rush through the toll booth TOGETHER before the barrier is DOWN.


Then at Kesas spped is only 90km-- After sri petaling they stop u and said u over speed & give u 1 yok kon (summon) or u give kopi ;)

[ivanhow]

How about refusing to pay toll when the highway is jammed? After all we pay toll supposedly to have a smooth and fast drive to our destination, not to get stuck in a jam before, at and after the toll plaza (as at Sunway every morning).
I think when YB Lim drove past the toll without paying one day, he was summoned. If you can drive past the motocycle lanes, maybe you might escape the toll :D

[ivanhow]

Then at Kesas spped is only 90km-- After sri petaling they stop u and said u over speed & give u 1 yok kon (summon) or u give kopi ;)Some portions are 80. Be careful. ;)

[USJ27Resident]

He said like this because of the election la.. B4 election said no increase petrol .. now after april election then u see la
:D

BINGO!!!

Heck... if he had not said anything and allowed the TOLLs to go up... even 10,000 postals votes will not be enough to ensure or get the "required" results... :p

[USJ27Resident]

Hi USJ27Resident :) , Nice to know how many B was spent on the 2 subs.
Wonder what the price to buy back those b..s.. concessionaires.. ? A few cool Bs?

HAND!

You've got a HIGH FIVE back!! :D

... to BUY.BACK. ~ where can buyback... dah bagi, nak ambik balik :eek: BURUK SIKU... tau!!! Nanti kena minta QC buat surat saman lagi... :rolleyes:

[USJ27Resident]

Instead of "blasting" our politicians,.....

Oh... if... you... only... knew... ;)

[clfoo]

pardon me blur sotong no study e-CON-o-my, now only i know what that no recession finance minister's stimulus package actually mean..

http://tengchangkhim.blogspot.com/2009/02/toll-hike-stimulus-package-for-highway.html#links

hopefully his more to come stimulus in March, not about free blue pills to all arr :eek: , not that stimulus lah half past 6 ... time to Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[gary yap]

Life is tough yet they make it tougher. Why don't the government demolish those heavily used toll-booth? That is the way.

[USJ27Resident]

Life is tough yet they make it tougher. Why don't the government demolish those heavily used toll-booth? That is the way.

what way... why would the Gomen wanna demolish these toll booths when these concessionaires are owned and operated by their cronies and associates... [please tell me I am wrong here... ] :rolleyes:

the Gomen are taking care of their own... no? when they should be doing things in the interest of the Rakyat first....

[gary yap]

ya la, true also. :(

[ivanhow]

You've got a HIGH FIVE back!! :D

... to BUY.BACK. ~ where can buyback... dah bagi, nak ambik balik :eek: BURUK SIKU... tau!!! Nanti kena minta QC buat surat saman lagi... :rolleyes:
High Five?

USJ27Resident :) , Any good reason why it (buy back) cannot be done?
Some lobbying here:
Buy over highways and save taxpayers money (http://www.ngobalakrishnan.com/main/?p=485)

Maybe we can try to understand what Tony Pua is trying to say here.
We Want Our Highways Back! (http://tonypua.blogspot.com/2009/01/lets-take-our-highways-back.html?showComment=1231201140000)

I have not done any mathematics, maybe someone can do the maths with all the information available in these articles, including this one:
PLUS stands to make RM25 billion (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com.my/index.php/malaysia/15350-dap-plus-stands-to-make-rm25-billion)
Cheers!

[Plantronic]

Remember to join PKR anniversary 21 March at Shah Alam Stadium.. See what all the YB speech.. Now my water bill a month just about Rm 4 only.. Hopefully 4 years later .. Malaysia under PKR.. maybe no tol at all.. Example Cheras mahkota resident can have 2nd access road without paying tol after PKR incharge...

After checking out the saga tol ! got 20 % under selangor govn - (toyo punya pasal) ..

Question ? Did BN really care bout rakyat ? ;)

[Sentinel]

Something is wrong with the mentality of the people at the Federal Government about money. To them, it seems like the taxpayers' money in the treasury is their money.

What is wrong by buying back the toll concessions (or even the IPP contracts) even if cost billions of ringgits and then reduce the toll (or power rates) as these will put back some purchasing power in the hands of the people and increase their propensity to spend and raise domestic consumption, which are all good for maintaining the economic growth.

I just don't get it. Perhaps they need to "look after" the toll concessionaires and the IPP producers more than loking after the rakyats. You read between the lines....

[USJ27Resident]

After checking out the saga tol ! got 20 % under selangor govn....
20% owned by S'gor Govt linked company linked to which party ?? :rolleyes:


Question ? Did BN really care bout rakyat [/B] ? ;)
Ans. Nope... too busy LOSING money or demolishing squatter homes and occasional "illegal" temples all over Selangor... :rolleyes:

[USJ27Resident]

I just don't get it. Perhaps they need to "look after" the toll concessionaires and the IPP producers more than looking after the rakyats. You read between the lines....
Exactly what I said in my earlier post... what on earth were those elected to serve the Rakyat doing/thinking - signing MoUs and agreements that would be in the best interest of the concessionaires instead of the Rakyat... where were their priorities... :rolleyes: Sometimes it make you wonder [ doesn't really take a genius to realise] why these YBs* actually wanna become politicians... :mad:


That's the question - did the Gomen represent the CONcessionaires or did the Gomen represent the Rakyat...??? If ANY agreement had needed to be signed - wouldn't be in the best interest of the Rakyat instead of some freaking business entity??? :mad:




What is the meaning of YB? Yang Berhormat, Yang Berkhidmat or Yang Banggang! :rolleyes:

[gtl]

22 years of mismanagement have spawn too many personal agenda, party agenda and screw the rakyat agenda.

[Plantronic]

20% owned by S'gor Govt linked company linked to which party ?? :rolleyes:

All bout Toyo la.. linked to BN sub company.

Ans. Nope... too busy LOSING money or demolishing squatter homes and occasional "illegal" temples all over Selangor... :rolleyes:

I agreed that BN like **** :mad: