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sulynx
13-02-2009, 04:39 PM
who got stuck in it?

it took me over an hour to get from the nkve damansara toll exit to damansara jaya. :mad: a distance that usually only takes me 10-15 minutes in peak-hour traffic jam!

rakyat
13-02-2009, 04:43 PM
who got stuck in it?

it took me over an hour to get from the nkve damansara toll exit to damansara jaya. :mad: a distance that usually only takes me 10-15 minutes in peak-hour traffic jam!

Yup 'hare-brained' idea to have a road race during peak hours in the city. If really need to cut thru KL why not schedule it on a week-end?

Didn't get caught this time round but a few years back was stuck in Shah Alam for 1 hour @ 5pm!!!

sulynx
13-02-2009, 04:54 PM
rakyat: exactly everybody's sentiments, i don't doubt. was the race near shah alam when you were stuck in it or the traffic jam backlogged to shah alam? *shock*

i just only started working, so not so 'experienced' about this mar. :p next time, i'll know better - leave super early or take leave that day!

xweird
13-02-2009, 05:18 PM
I think many were not aware of the race happening this morning until they heard it in their car radio (which by then was already too late...)

sulynx
13-02-2009, 05:24 PM
xweird: yup... i don't suppose there were any alternative routes to pj/kl that was not jammed despite this.

HTH
13-02-2009, 05:28 PM
I got stuck too, immediately after exiting the NKVE. I didn't get the announcement on the radio. I was about 10m from where the police parked their pajero to block the entire road, and no one knew what was happening. Everyone thought it was to let some VIPs pass, so probably take 1 - 2 mins, so everyone just waited. And waited. After 15 mins, i was already late for work, decided to take another route.

Why can't they planned this properly, redirect the traffic to alternative route lar. Even the VMS on the NKVE also didn't show anything. Waste people time only.

kokomo
13-02-2009, 05:30 PM
Saw the jam as I exit from Subang Jaya to Federal Highway then I took a quick turn into the old Subang airport road to enter the NKVE toll but then the jam also started from there as I can't turn anywhere else. I only can follow the crowd to come out Damansara toll and it took me over 2 hours to get out from there. Terrible!

Having le tour Langkawi race on Damansara is absurb causing jam to people that is going to work around that area. Appointment and timing all out. :mad:

sulynx
13-02-2009, 05:47 PM
hth: which nkve exit was that? the damansara one had no police. (not that there was anything they could do anyway.) watching the race perhaps. :p

kokomo: wow, two hours, that's even worse than me. :( i wonder if any cars broke down from overheating!

chewie
13-02-2009, 08:16 PM
bicycle race worldwide normally will start at about 1pm... that the standard time that they can start due to logistic issue. But the organizer this year did a wrong move by going into peak area...

HTH
13-02-2009, 11:21 PM
hth: which nkve exit was that? the damansara one had no police. (not that there was anything they could do anyway.) watching the race perhaps. :p

I exit Sg Buloh. Immediately the jam started there. We couldn't see anything in front, so had no idea what was happening. Since the traffic were not moving at all, I decided to get back into the highway, and went further up to Hosp Sg Buloh.

Fabe18
14-02-2009, 09:45 AM
i saw the ITIS singboards along the LDP announcing the road closure for few days prior to Friday.
I don't know if it's published in the newspaper but it was on Star Online.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/2/11/nation/20090211192038&sec=nation

So I left USJ18 at 7.15. Reached D'sra Uptown at 7:50am, had breakie then went to my office in Kelana before they closed the road...

BTW, these are the routes planned for the LTdL: http://www.ltdl.com.my/2009/therace/stage01.asp

unless they skipped KL totally, otherwise they have to close some of the roads for one of these stages.

Another problem is most ppl can't seem to get the information. I saw it on ITIS signboards for few days. And oso on My FM the day before...

chewie
14-02-2009, 09:58 AM
tomorrow would be KL.... is a tradition that it will end in KL

joker2107
14-02-2009, 10:19 AM
i saw the ITIS singboards along the LDP announcing the road closure for few days prior to Friday.
I don't know if it's published in the newspaper but it was on Star Online.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/2/11/nation/20090211192038&sec=nation

So I left USJ18 at 7.15. Reached D'sra Uptown at 7:50am, had breakie then went to my office in Kelana before they closed the road...

BTW, these are the routes planned for the LTdL: http://www.ltdl.com.my/2009/therace/stage01.asp

unless they skipped KL totally, otherwise they have to close some of the roads for one of these stages.

Another problem is most ppl can't seem to get the information. I saw it on ITIS signboards for few days. And oso on My FM the day before...

thanks, fabe, for confirming that IT IS A BIG FLOP. i mean ITIS - the stupid led boards in the sky which are either hidden trees or round bends or too high up with excessive brightness behind it ... and which flashes different message every few seconds - unless you keep your eyes trained on them driver-unfriendly deep led boards, you're more likely to miss most of the stories they are supposed to tell.

the report in the star online is a sham. hardly adequate to forewarn the wider traffic routes. thats why the whiplash effect was outrageous (all the way to shah alam???) a much better report was published by the star - on the day of the race - which you would probably have read only after wasting an hour's worth of ozone depleting global warming government subsidised cheap fossil fuel.

yes, i did hear it repeatedly over the air waves (light and easy). thats because i chose to use four wheels instead of two the day before. but seriously, those djs could do with some serious training on verbal non-face-to-face communication. and not forgetting empathy - they should put themselves in the shoes of the victims of the shallow information they relay.

MasterQ
14-02-2009, 11:51 AM
I must say that if people read the news or the sports page, watch TV, listen to the radio or even bothered to look up into the sky for the writing in the wall like what joker2107 pointed out, I believe they would have known about the race. Then it is their business to find out how this race is going to affect them. No amount of publicity is going to draw their attention unless the impending road closure is rated scandal No 1 in the chart. For me, nothing beats sitting at home watching your favourite movie. I took leave and stayed at home. And that is just what I would do everytime I read about how the police plan to screw up traffic big time be it intimidating the peaceful Pakatan demonstrators (strangely the BN ones are freely roaming the streets) or the 1001 NAM conferences where they will do a no brainer job - just sweep the traffic somewhere else away from the VIP eyes.

tmd
14-02-2009, 01:28 PM
Le Tour De Langkawi logistics department officer Mohd Azam Zainal Ali said the announcement about the road closure was aired over the media the day before.

“The races normally start at 10am, after the morning peak hours, but today’s race began earlier as we needed to reach the destination in time for the Friday prayers,” he said.

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/2/14/central/3265659&sec=central

WTF

MasterQ
14-02-2009, 04:26 PM
Just because they needed to reach the destination in time for the Friday prayers, thousands of others have to burn petrol and be greatly inconvenient. They should have scheduled it to a non Friday.

sulynx
14-02-2009, 04:41 PM
personally, this was the first time i've heard of a massive jam caused by the race, especially in pj area. all the while i thought this affects only kl roads, from my experience of reading previous notices of road closures. also, since the roads i use to go to work isn't closed by this race, i didn't expect the closure of the roads would cause that much of a backlog in traffic jam.

besitai2007
14-02-2009, 05:34 PM
Bhavani Krishna Iyer, Lingkaran Trans Kota Sdn Bhd’s (Litrak) communications manager, said that the concessionaire had made every effort it could to inform the public about the road closure as soon as they were informed of the finalised locations on Wednesday.

I didn't know about it either..but I was lucky as I left Subang Jaya at 6.30 am. Thought that it was unusual that traffic was a bit heavy at the Federal Highway but I managed to reach my office in Mt Kiara in good time. Colleagues who left for office later were stuck big time along major highways.

To me it is brainless on the organizers' part by putting the public through this senseless jam when they could have have picked a much earlier hour to divert traffic. Even if they were to inform the public we would have a hazy idea as to how the race will go through. They should publish maps in major papers, in the front page if possible. The last time they had the race I was stuck in Bangsar when the cyclists came through KL on a Sunday. They even went through Subang's Jalan Kewajipan once (can't remember which year) as I was stuck in a jam at the Summit junction. They are coming back on Sunday .. and I am staying at home!

joker2107
15-02-2009, 02:00 PM
Le Tour De Langkawi logistics department officer Mohd Azam Zainal Ali said the announcement about the road closure was aired over the media the day before.

“The races normally start at 10am, after the morning peak hours, but today’s race began earlier as we needed to reach the destination in time for the Friday prayers,” he said.

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/2/14/central/3265659&sec=central

WTF
damn the @#@$%^$#%$#^ pariah racist bigots! they wanna finish their biz in time for their friday prayers. i got to st johns cathedral for 6pm service. according to the media release, it appears that my observance of my religious obligations will be intereferred with as aproach roads to the cathedral will be closed. the sick brainless cows stll cannot learn. they cannot tell where the race starts and where it ends. they cannot publish a map of the route - amybe they are afraid some suicide bombers might sabotage their race? besides stating that there will be road closures over 3 hours, they cannot give any ndication of when which road will be closed. is the city centre expected to be crippled in those 3 hours, all because of some stupid irresponsble short-sighted incompetent tax-guzzling ltdl orgnaizers? looking broader, these nincompoops do not have any authority to close any roads - they need the cooperation and authorisation of the traffic cops and dbkl.where are these people? why their deafening profound silence? there was one year when dbkl decided to close jln gereja for selective road digging in the late late hours of 24 dec. they do not bother that it is christmas eve and that the neighbouring churches will be brimming with thousands of peaceful church goers. getting caught in avoidable jams is the problem of the driver for not being to read in the stars that some senseless nincompoop is going to make sure they will be late for their religious observations. damn it, the star had published an article i wrote on economic treason. and i have spoken on the same subject at at least two public forums. even if they dont attend my talks, dont public figures read? or understand what they read? or are they in cahoots with the oecs to drive up demand (and price) of mineral oil?

by the way, this ravageous rant comes on the back of countless failed attempts to get through to the hotline given (03-74947020) in http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/2/14/central/3265659&sec=central

another bloody lie to hoodwink the people?

vsat
15-02-2009, 02:44 PM
Guys,

I knew about the LTDL and I took precautionary measures to leave real early for work. Come on. I am not a bicycle racing enthusiast but I knew about the routes and all for this very purpose - Closing of roads. Don't blame the organizers, ITIS, LLM, LDP, SPRINT. Blame it on your ignorant self.

joker2107
15-02-2009, 03:26 PM
Guys,

I knew about the LTDL and I took precautionary measures to leave real early for work. Come on. I am not a bicycle racing enthusiast but I knew about the routes and all for this very purpose - Closing of roads. Don't blame the organizers, ITIS, LLM, LDP, SPRINT. Blame it on your ignorant self.
bravo, soothsayer. i'd say i'm speaking on behalf of more than 99.9% of forumers here that we do not have a crystal ball to gaze into. and the tea leaves in our cups do not tell us stories we can interpret. and i guess that is why we simple mortals depend on the cyber world to fed us with useful information of the future. coming into this forum and blasting others for being ignorant of some information which had been held in protective silence till the very last minute, an even then information released in mincrscopic proportions, speaks volumes of a selfish braggart. when we know of impending doom, we share the information. thats one of the cornerstone of community living, yes, including existence in cyber space. if this basic virtue is not in your list of "will do's" i guess you have wandered into the wrong room.

youngteenguy
15-02-2009, 04:49 PM
bravo, soothsayer. i'd say i'm speaking on behalf of more than 99.9% of forumers here that we do not have a crystal ball to gaze into. and the tea leaves in our cups do not tell us stories we can interpret. and i guess that is why we simple mortals depend on the cyber world to fed us with useful information of the future. coming into this forum and blasting others for being ignorant of some information which had been held in protective silence till the very last minute, an even then information released in mincrscopic proportions, speaks volumes of a selfish braggart. when we know of impending doom, we share the information. thats one of the cornerstone of community living, yes, including existence in cyber space. if this basic virtue is not in your list of "will do's" i guess you have wandered into the wrong room.


i 2nd this.
Either that or you've got a hell of a big ear lobe. ehehe
i myself was quite pissed as i was 30 min late for my interview! sadness. Luckily the partner in the company was late too! :P

vsat
15-02-2009, 05:12 PM
Come on guys,

It's like saying you got caught in the jam on the way to LCCT on Formula 1 Day in Sepang. / New Year's Day / PLUS highway on Chinese New Year/ Batu Caves during Thaipusam

LTDL is pretty much a major event here in Malaysia and it's just up to one's effort to find out the milestones of the race.

Don't lambast the organizers of LTDL. Christ, if they don't organize, then they'll get an earful for not organizing races. Either way, it is not enough with you guys.

And including the Friday prayers into the fray goes to show that some of people in this forum are bloody racist and I'm gonna add again, ignorant.

Please find out about the race before you guys go to Genting or wherever the race is heading and knock off this trend of meaningless complaints.

MasterQ
15-02-2009, 06:33 PM
when we know of impending doom, we share the information. thats one of the cornerstone of community living, yes, including existence in cyber space. if this basic virtue is not in your list of "will do's" i guess you have wandered into the wrong room.
Even if such information was published here, it received little attention. Sad to say that. But I have observed that hardly there will be 200 page view. But topics such as "Suspect died while in police custody at Taipan Police Station" attracted something like 4,017 views as at now.This shows that forumer don't much bother or appreciate about such community announcement. But when they are caught in this mother of all jams, they come here to 'kow peh kow boh.' Well, life is like that. Anyway I got pissed off with the organiser when I came to know why the race is held at this time.

chewie
15-02-2009, 08:09 PM
LTDL is an international event that is sanction by UCI (World Cycling Body) and have the rating of equvilent of Tour De France. Did you see people complaint in France?? They even come out and cheer them. And FYI Malaysia team did well by winning a few stages of Asian Riders category.

why not we turn our support for our own malaysia riders...

LTDL is a start of the international race calender and a warm up to tour de france ... and the race is being going on for years...

joker2107
15-02-2009, 11:17 PM
Come on guys,

LTDL is pretty much a major event here in Malaysia and it's just up to one's effort to find out the milestones of the race.

And including the Friday prayers into the fray goes to show that some of people in this forum are bloody racist and I'm gonna add again, ignorant.

Please find out about the race before you guys go to Genting or wherever the race is heading and knock off this trend of meaningless complaints.
1. i was not a victim of this shoddy pathetic myopic organisational administration screw-up but i have to standup for what i have already stated - not taking sensible measures to rpevent avoidable traffic jams is a most despicable act of economic treason, not only against the country but against Mother Earth, and against the creation of the almighty God.

2. no denying the importance and magnitude of the ltdl. but we all know that the ltdl is run in a confined space like the f1. and for the international-ness of the event, the surprising pin-drop silence till the last minute, when even the whispers were incomplete information, must surely equate to a major slip-up by the organisers. and the supporting team as in the local councils such as dbkl/mbpj and the pdrm. the publicity for the ltdl is just like a drop in the ocean in comparison to that for the f1 and other major events. this is not a case of crying over spilt milk but justified condemnation of sheer incompetence. there was a boo-boo, and the tens of thousands of victims is loud testimony to this fact. somebody screwed up big and some heads should roll.

3. for the initiated, friday prayers was a most flimsy excuse given by the organisers. the comments in this forum so far are not racist, but rather slamming the orgnaisers for being such. thats absolute irresponsible and rotten planning and incompetent excuses. if they had kept their stupid big gap shut and not brought this incorrigible excuse into daylight, nobody would have spoken (or in case you cannot interpret broadly, written) of it. btw, friday prayers was the excuse given for the departure from the normal race times. read again - the subject stage of the race was not run during the normal times. even if one is an avid follower of this not so popular in malaysia event, one would possibly not have known of this abnormal deviation from the norm until the last hour. this is all the more compelling a reason for the organisers to have had made very very sure that the whole country knew about the plans to screw up morning rush hour traffic.

bottom line - some idiots may claim that the ltdl was a major success and netted big tourism bucks - but i must beg to revert to my principles of economic treason - the unnecessary and avoidable loss in forex and govt subsidy on wasted fuel negates all other gains and can never be justified.

pucman
15-02-2009, 11:54 PM
I got into a terrible jam along jln kuching, jln ipoh interchange.

I can't believe they are holding this event in jam-packed KL instead of other less populated places.

besitai2007
17-02-2009, 09:44 AM
Why did the moronic organizers plan the route in such a way as to pass through KL and PJ at peak hours instead of skirting around congested areas? The Tour-de-France goes through mountainous routes to test the cyclists' endurance. Ours appear to be more like a bicycle tour to promote major cities to people who may watch the race on international TV channels. That is more likely the reason. If the organizers want I can suggest routes where they won't bother the tax-paying public.. but then no beautiful landmarks to show to the world. By the way, since it is Tour-de-Langkawi why not confine it to the island alone? If they go through parts other than Langkawi then call it Tour-de-Malaysia.

mad1126
18-02-2009, 03:11 PM
Come on guys,

It's like saying you got caught in the jam on the way to LCCT on Formula 1 Day in Sepang. / New Year's Day / PLUS highway on Chinese New Year/ Batu Caves during Thaipusam

LTDL is pretty much a major event here in Malaysia and it's just up to one's effort to find out the milestones of the race.

Don't lambast the organizers of LTDL. Christ, if they don't organize, then they'll get an earful for not organizing races. Either way, it is not enough with you guys.

And including the Friday prayers into the fray goes to show that some of people in this forum are bloody racist and I'm gonna add again, ignorant.

Please find out about the race before you guys go to Genting or wherever the race is heading and knock off this trend of meaningless complaints.

I can say that this totally different from the above yearly event (as you know where /when/time/date) at least you can choose your travelling time. For my case if the road closure is during peak hour we cannot choose what time to travel. I travel everyday to work at about 7.30am but on that day I depart at 7am but unable to reach my office in time before the road closure. I manage to reach my office at 10.10am :mad:. The main problem is I saw the star online and paper that the road will be closed at 9am but the road leading to my office in Phileo Damansara is totally closed before 8.30am. If you are not caught in the situation you wun feel the frustration.

chewie
18-02-2009, 03:29 PM
Why did the moronic organizers plan the route in such a way as to pass through KL and PJ at peak hours instead of skirting around congested areas? The Tour-de-France goes through mountainous routes to test the cyclists' endurance. Ours appear to be more like a bicycle tour to promote major cities to people who may watch the race on international TV channels. That is more likely the reason. If the organizers want I can suggest routes where they won't bother the tax-paying public.. but then no beautiful landmarks to show to the world. By the way, since it is Tour-de-Langkawi why not confine it to the island alone? If they go through parts other than Langkawi then call it Tour-de-Malaysia.

it called tour de langkawi as it was officially launch and start at langkawi many years back.

there is another tour de malaysia too which is less populor...

joker2107
18-02-2009, 03:42 PM
Why did the moronic organizers plan the route in such a way as to pass through KL and PJ at peak hours instead of skirting around congested areas? The Tour-de-France goes through mountainous routes to test the cyclists' endurance. Ours appear to be more like a bicycle tour to promote major cities to people who may watch the race on international TV channels. That is more likely the reason. If the organizers want I can suggest routes where they won't bother the tax-paying public.. but then no beautiful landmarks to show to the world. By the way, since it is Tour-de-Langkawi why not confine it to the island alone? If they go through parts other than Langkawi then call it Tour-de-Malaysia.

bro, we need a route without potholes eh.... :D :D :D
actually if u remember the big landslide which closed one of the hways for months not too long ago - that's a pretty challenging and scenic route too. and the pencala link tunnel -
hang on tight
this armoured knight
is quite a sight
even tho it might
not be quite right
to give god a fright
to see such blight
in an urban height :mad:

kokomo
19-02-2009, 10:23 AM
hang on tight
this armoured knight
is quite a sight
even tho it might
not be quite right
to give god a fright
to see such blight
in an urban height :mad:

Cool man!!! :cool: