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JoshuaM
10-02-2009, 11:56 AM
Hey gang,

I am very troubled with the current situation amongst the youth today. Whenever I go to mamak shops for dinner (usually Makbul at USJ9), I see scores of young people, all of them in their teens, smoking their life away.

I doubt we can expect the workers to do anything.

How do we help these youths? Is there a way to curb this? Any ideas as how we can discourage the youngsters from smoking and not just finding another place to smoke?

God bless,
Josh

tupai
10-02-2009, 12:29 PM
pray tell, whats wrong with smoking?

Yang Blur sotong latotupai :confused:

Firebird
10-02-2009, 01:02 PM
pray tell, whats wrong with smoking? :confused:It kills you and those around you?

tupai
10-02-2009, 01:55 PM
It kills you and those around you?

...kinda like mustard gas of WW2? :eek:
... kinda like driving like a roadhog?
... kinda like supporting & buying beta-agonised porky?
... kinda like feasting on yee-sang with pufferfish?
... kinda like eating mercury tainted sharksfin soup? (Hope the diners really die from this barbaric harvest)


Yang Belum mati latotupai :p

EricK
10-02-2009, 01:57 PM
pray tell, whats wrong with smoking?

Yang Blur sotong latotupai :confused:

And there in is the dilemma and attitudes that non smokers advocates will have to overcome in a smoker. If an adult sees no wrong or danger is smoking what do youngsters know...

tupai
10-02-2009, 02:10 PM
...and here in lies another problem: that we assume the youngsters do not know. They know.

PLUS they ain't my youngsters, to be poking my nose into their habits: smoking, eating, drinking, sexing, dancing, popping...i dont care.

So, whats wrong with smoking? eating? drinking? :confused:

Yang Belum paham latotupai

RGRaj
11-02-2009, 01:20 AM
Show them the gruesome anti-smoking images that could nowadays be found in major newspapers. That should knock some sense into at least some of them. It's what you call the "show, don't tell" concept".

tupai
11-02-2009, 10:07 AM
Show them the gruesome anti-smoking images that could nowadays be found in major newspapers. That should knock some sense into at least some of them. It's what you call the "show, don't tell" concept".

Scare tactics advertising is usu only impactful during the launch phase. it attracts the attention of the target audience as well as the gen public.

Such fear tactic advertising was first used in the 80s in the west. Gory images in mass media and on cig packaging have since been withdrawn, as tracking/statisitics of smokers and sales of cig didn't drop significantly. Those who quit did so on their own accord. Not bcos of the gory adverts. Nevertheless, the sales of cig in the west have been showing a slow decline for past decade...the BIG 7 has been investing heavily in the east...sales in the east has shot up in chart like there is no tomorrow...I;d love to be a cig brand owner in the east, esp china.

Cig & Youth advertising? What works & don't? Ah..long story lah...


Yang Banyak baca majallah rokok latotupai

p/s LOS has stricter law on advertising/display etc on ciggie. There are also gory image in each pack. BUT sales of cig in LOS is growing strongly YOY...how then?

MasterQ
11-02-2009, 10:31 AM
After spending more than RM 100 million in the Tak Nak campaign, the government realised that the money have gone down the monsoon drain. It only enriches the consulting advertising crony firm. So since Plan A is doomed, here comes Plan B - the gory pictures everywhere. That is the easiest way out and some more so much money to make too. It has to be constant education by the parents when these kids are still young and of course the parents should also show by example. My father did that successfully as none of my 8 brothers and sisters smoke. And we brothers and sisters are doing well too as none of our children, nieces and nephew smoke ....... touch wood as they are ranging from 30 years downwards and some are yet to be born.

Vixey
13-02-2009, 12:01 AM
And we brothers and sisters are doing well too as none of our children, nieces and nephew smoke ....... touch wood as they are ranging from 30 years downwards and some are yet to be born.

That you know of ....I know many closet smokers who maintain a smoke free persona with family and smoke only in private.

EricK
13-02-2009, 11:04 AM
Scare tactics advertising is usu only impactful during the launch phase. it attracts the attention of the target audience as well as the gen public.

Such fear tactic advertising was first used in the 80s in the west. Gory images in mass media and on cig packaging have since been withdrawn, as tracking/statisitics of smokers and sales of cig didn't drop significantly. Those who quit did so on their own accord. Not bcos of the gory adverts. Nevertheless, the sales of cig in the west have been showing a slow decline for past decade...the BIG 7 has been investing heavily in the east...sales in the east has shot up in chart like there is no tomorrow...I;d love to be a cig brand owner in the east, esp china.

Cig & Youth advertising? What works & don't? Ah..long story lah...

Yang Banyak baca majallah rokok latotupai

p/s LOS has stricter law on advertising/display etc on ciggie. There are also gory image in each pack. BUT sales of cig in LOS is growing strongly YOY...how then?

What is your suggestion then? do nothing? i still think the best way to prevent or at the very least discourage smoking is to tax tobacco to high heavens... hit smokers where it hurts hardest...

QuietStorm
13-02-2009, 11:26 AM
There is no such a thing as 'there's nothing we can do about it'. There is always something we can do, especially to stop a destructive habit that is smoking. Smokers should simply say 'no' and get on with it. A friend of mine has been smoking for years but when he decided enough is enough, he just stopped. No withdrawal symptoms, too. haha. I really don't know how he did it because other smoker friends have told me it was next to impossible to stop but he did it, showing that it isn't impossible at all. You just have to want to do it and it shall be done. :D

umadavid
13-02-2009, 11:44 AM
There is no such a thing as 'there's nothing we can do about it'. There is always something we can do, especially to stop a destructive habit that is smoking. Smokers should simply say 'no' and get on with it. A friend of mine has been smoking for years but when he decided enough is enough, he just stopped. No withdrawal symptoms, too. haha. I really don't know how he did it because other smoker friends have told me it was next to impossible to stop but he did it, showing that it isn't impossible at all. You just have to want to do it and it shall be done. :D
My Dad did it overnight, too. He was a chain smoker for all my life and then 10 years ago he stopped just like that and has not touched another stick since then. He quit in his 70s and now he is in his 80s. I'm proud of him.

QuietStorm
13-02-2009, 12:16 PM
My Dad did it overnight, too. He was a chain smoker for all my life and then 10 years ago he stopped just like that and has not touched another stick since then. He quit in his 70s and now he is in his 80s. I'm proud of him.Give him a pat on his back for me, won't you? :D

umadavid
13-02-2009, 12:22 PM
Give him a pat on his back for me, won't you? :D
:D .

tupai
13-02-2009, 12:38 PM
What is your suggestion then? do nothing? i still think the best way to prevent or at the very least discourage smoking is to tax tobacco to high heavens... hit smokers where it hurts hardest...

hahahahahah... u failed as the Minister of Consumer Affairs. Zero mark 4 u! :p

Many countries did just that...for e.g. nearer home, Spore. Raised the price of ciggie to some S$11.00/pack since some 3-4yrs ago. Add on to the non-respect of smoker's right, they banned smoking in all aircon premises and vicinity of govt offices...PLUS they apply strict enforcement & fine to it. The result? Incidence of smoking has gone UP instead :eek: The incremental comes from youth market. Also the incidence of smuggling also shot & hit thru the ceiling... :eek:

In bolehland, no way the gomen will go all out (now they do good PR spin lah)...study what subsidies go to the east coast & up north...then study too the coastline and the antismuggling team. Any price increase will push the sale of contraband ciggie up double digit growth. Happens all the time when ciggie price went up...Legit fighting brands also enjoy incremental sales at the expense of the premium brands. Resulting in?

Heavier investment in all manners of creative & innovative marketing tactics..resulting in? Incremental sales of ciggie! Yes, u r rite...amongst the youth market! Never underestimate the power of ciggie advertising and the 'cool' imagery associated to it. :eek:

To me, the only way to quit is COLD turkey (chewing caffeine gums etc wear out your teeth lah! Serious!) ...and stop mingling with your buddy smokers during the initial process..also stop drinking beer and coffee. They are the devil's twin :p ..then of course, advise your kiddos not to smoke..hahahahah...U mroe powerful than those selling dreams & aspirations? Maybe. But i wont bet on ya!

Yang Boleh quit chewing gum latotupai :p

pssst...buy shares in BAT

EricK
16-02-2009, 02:05 PM
hahahahahah... u failed as the Minister of Consumer Affairs. Zero mark 4 u! :p

Many countries did just that...for e.g. nearer home, Spore. Raised the price of ciggie to some S$11.00/pack since some 3-4yrs ago. Add on to the non-respect of smoker's right, they banned smoking in all aircon premises and vicinity of govt offices...PLUS they apply strict enforcement & fine to it. The result? Incidence of smoking has gone UP instead :eek: The incremental comes from youth market. Also the incidence of smuggling also shot & hit thru the ceiling... :eek:

In bolehland, no way the gomen will go all out (now they do good PR spin lah)...study what subsidies go to the east coast & up north...then study too the coastline and the antismuggling team. Any price increase will push the sale of contraband ciggie up double digit growth. Happens all the time when ciggie price went up...Legit fighting brands also enjoy incremental sales at the expense of the premium brands. Resulting in?

Heavier investment in all manners of creative & innovative marketing tactics..resulting in? Incremental sales of ciggie! Yes, u r rite...amongst the youth market! Never underestimate the power of ciggie advertising and the 'cool' imagery associated to it. :eek:

To me, the only way to quit is COLD turkey (chewing caffeine gums etc wear out your teeth lah! Serious!) ...and stop mingling with your buddy smokers during the initial process..also stop drinking beer and coffee. They are the devil's twin :p ..then of course, advise your kiddos not to smoke..hahahahah...U mroe powerful than those selling dreams & aspirations? Maybe. But i wont bet on ya!

Yang Boleh quit chewing gum latotupai :p

pssst...buy shares in BAT

i'd like to hear your ideas on reducing smoking among the youngster then.. all i've heard is no to this and that .. this doesn't work , that doesnt' work... what works? how to influence a youngster to stop smoking when all his friends is smoking? you think he/she will quit just because the parents will tell him to?

Maybe you have no issues with your children smoking but how about other parents who do not wish their child to start smoking?peer pressure and feeling of being cool and in the crowd is strong feeling.... If all children listened to their parents , then it there would be so much hearthache eh...

tupai
16-02-2009, 02:57 PM
i'd like to hear your ideas on reducing smoking among the youngster then.. all i've heard is no to this and that .. this doesn't work , that doesnt' work... what works? how to influence a youngster to stop smoking when all his friends is smoking? you think he/she will quit just because the parents will tell him to?

Maybe you have no issues with your children smoking but how about other parents who do not wish their child to start smoking?peer pressure and feeling of being cool and in the crowd is strong feeling.... If all children listened to their parents , then it there would be so much hearthache eh...

If i knew the answer...I'd have been a godzillionaire lah!

I know what dont work. All the suggestions here have been tried, tested, money gone the drain, 'Tak Nak' is a classic failure (but lined some1's pocket lah) and the smoking chart is still moving up!

I also never knew children/teenager can b a heartache! hahahahahaa...
maybe we need to spend more time...really quality time wit them and along the psycho-teachable moment, blow massive amount of smelly smoke in their face? That might help...no? I dunno..never tried that meself...But then again, big teenage problem calls for drastic unorthodox measure, no? Or how about not giving allowance or kick the smoking kid outta the house and get him to go work and smoke his own money away? Can do?


Yang Berniat jahat latotupai :p

gary yap
17-02-2009, 03:36 PM
Nowadays teens smoke because of their peers, what you going to do? I know of someone in his 30s but his parents don't know he smoke and think he's a good boy, wife thought he quit but he happily puff away when we go out yam cha. :D heavier than us cos by the time he get home it's non-smoking time.

QuietStorm
17-02-2009, 05:41 PM
I know of someone in his 30s but his parents don't know he smoke and think he's a good boy, wife thought he quit but he happily puff away when we go out yam cha. :D heavier than us cos by the time he get home it's non-smoking time.That can't be me then! I don't smoke and I'm much younger! (spot the lie :p ).

tupai
17-02-2009, 06:10 PM
smokin' is almost like religion...U sin like hell when young then u wanna get closer to god when u get older.

U smoke ciggie, then pot, then ??? like hell when young, then when old, u went cold turkey and gave up almost instantly... :p

So, live & let live. Respect the rights of non-smoker and smoker alike. ;)

The non-smoker parent, ask thyself Y thyself dont smoke...there! Viola! U have the answer for your smokin' teen! Q.E.D.


Yang Banyak smokin' guns latotupai :p

Blue Jasmine
18-02-2009, 11:16 AM
the only reason teen smoke is simply because they can....no one will get sued if they smoke. The gov make it possible for all to smoke. If u under 18 cannot buy cigg....but no one say that you can't smoke. If they come out with that law then maybe ...but consider how much tabocco companies pay (taxes) to the gov i dont think they will even make such law...Who wants to fight with money.

JoshuaM
23-03-2009, 03:02 PM
Dear Tupai O Tupai,

Why is smoking bad? Really, you have to ask?

Maybe because the danger it poses to body is far more incredible and immediate than say, eating. And, maybe it endangers the people around you, like say young children, than eating does. And perhaps the harm in inflicts on the body is irreversible?

I only hope that the kids today don't suffer lung scarring in their adulthood, and hopefully don't suffer from the beaten immune system in their bodies.

Yes, you won't see it now, but it comes most definitely. May or may not be cancer, but most definitely, diseases of the close encounters kind due to the utterly beaten immune system.

Smoking endangers oneself and others as like many other dangers. And truly I would like to see no-smoking zones really enforced. For whose benefit. For the really young children who frequent mamak shops only to inhale some one else's 2nd hand smoke (and bad breath!).

In this current age of economic uncertainty, perhaps taxing tobacco higher is the answer. Sure, there will be illegal smuggling, and sure the Govt can work against this - but probably not, but at least the youngster will most definitely feel this this time around.

Enforce no-smoking zones and ban smoking in certain establishments. Ensure smoking time period.

However, it all boils down to parenting. If parents don't smoke and instill values into their kids, it grows on them. If parents smoke and tries to instill values into their kids, it may grow but kids will take cue to smoke too.

I am firm believer that it is never too late to start. But change must begin with us, the adults, before it can touch and change the kids.

My dua kupang worth,
Josh

JoshuaM
23-03-2009, 03:47 PM
Some info from this website (http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/smokeinfo.html) that contains very useful information about smoking and its real dangers.

For example, what is being inhaled so gallantly into the body?
* Nicotine: a deadly poison
* Arsenic: used in rat poison
* Methane: a component of rocket fuel
* Ammonia: found in floor cleaner
* Cadmium: used in batteries
* Carbon Monoxide: part of car exhaust
* Formaldehyde: used to preserve body tissue
* Butane: lighter fluid
* Hydrogen Cyanide: the poison used in gas chambers

Maybe they ought to print this instead at the back of the cig pack!

Yeah, yeah, smokers will argue that we are already inhaling all the bad stuff from the air. Not true at all. We don't inhale half as bad as these chemicals and not even close in concentration as much as you would a poison schtick!

There're tons of info such as what exactly happens to the body when a person smokes, myths of smoking and more!

Do check it out.

Josh

tupai
23-03-2009, 05:21 PM
aiyoh yoh yoh!

Poison every where...In ciggie also got! :eek:

Pork also got betaagonis .Beef also got beta agonis. chicken also got dunno what agonis. Vege also got banned pesticide & fertilizers. Rice also got poison dye. Soya sauce also got carcinogens. water also got used lubricant and diesel. Air also got poison...

Better to live in ..hmmm...how about tibet? Canotlah..can die of cold and not enuff food to eat leh...maybe also die of boredom cos got no mamak to hang around from 12midnite onwards! :eek: fiji island? Canot also..too damn expensive. no money to buy food. Also got no cheap mamak to hang around...

How? how? *think*think*

Yang Blur thinkin-mana-nak-alivin' sihat latotupai :p

deuces
30-03-2009, 09:35 AM
i think tupai is just trying to be difficult. for the sake of it.
but joshua, if you feel strongly about youngsters smoking you should do something about it.
i have approached the staff at 7/11 and other shops in usj11 and advised them to stop selling cigs to those below age. it is a matter of whether one is willing take a step to try and make a diff no matter how small or insignificant.

tupai
30-03-2009, 02:19 PM
i think tupai is just trying to be difficult. for the sake of it.
but joshua, if you feel strongly about youngsters smoking you should do something about it.
i have approached the staff at 7/11 and other shops in usj11 and advised them to stop selling cigs to those below age. it is a matter of whether one is willing take a step to try and make a diff no matter how small or insignificant.

hahahahahh...u wasted yr energy lah. Also very ineffective! U sure kena marah & curse by them lah. They do bizz. 10% ROI is very good lah!

Better u collect whatever evidence including camera-phone type and then report them to the MoH and any other relevant ministries lah :D More power this way. Sure they wont sell to kiddies lah.

Then I also suggest u adopt the gooder&holier than thou missionary kinda approach by going directly to the smokers (esp the young 'uns in uniform) and counsel 'em on the ill-health (e.g. bad rotten teeth - like kissing ashtray or worst lung cancer *gulp* :eek: , expensive (Rm0.45sen p.stik :eek: , smelly and stained fingers,...do that consistently and i know maybe a good number of these ignoramus smokers will repent...But then again, i wont be holding my breath on the smoky prospect... :p


Yang Bernafas asap latotupai :p

EricK
31-03-2009, 10:12 AM
ahh tupai the poster boy for all things bad... i knew you couldn't resisting belittiling JoshuaM :)

deuces
31-03-2009, 01:21 PM
i thought that it wasnt necessary to have noted that point tupai but yes i have - on many occasions, "done the holier and gooder missionary approach" (as you so eloquently put it), approached the boys and taken them to task.
i'm sorry about your cynicism but that i can only attribute that to upbringing.

on the matter of wasted energy i'd say that it doesn't seem like i'm wasting it. see how different we are!!!

so dont hold your breadth, not on my account. i dont want to be accused of causing your demise. and no i dont think theres anything wrong in smoking. i just think that one should not be doing it when one is 15.

tupai
31-03-2009, 03:18 PM
ahh tupai the poster boy for all things bad... i knew you couldn't resisting belittiling JoshuaM :)

hmmmm...methink u owe me an apology lah. where got belittle anyone 1? My point of view is my pov lah...U? up 2 u lah!

*cough* cough*cough*

celaka! now the ciggie pack got disgusting pix of cancerously blackish lungs, then 1 got stained chipped teeth with sore case of rotting ulcers, also ah, another one got a poor kinda dying bloke, methink nicely hooked up to a machine: poor chappie probably suffering from dunno wat? :confused:

*cough*cough*cough*Ptui!*

2smoke or not2smoke...ahhhhh...

Yang Belum cough teruk lagi latotupai :p

p/s wat u all tink of young adults under 15yrs, lepak lazy spoiltbrat, drinking beer? And also always eating junky food? how ah? A case of 'bo ka si' perhaps? Stooopid parentings breed spoilt lazy smokin' lepaking brats??hmmm. a good proposition for my next next next thesis....