Propose and discuss sites for LRT stations in USJ and Subang and Putra Heights

[AllUrban]

It is time to help identify sites for future LRT stations and ensure that MPSJ keep these sites and surrounding areas protected for the LRT ...

In fact it would be better if they freeze development until the LRT station and their carparks and bus hubs are built.

m proposes one site - the LRT station for Summit / USJ1 / 2 / 6 / 7 - which for lack of a better name can be called "USJ Sentral" or "Summit" station.

I think that a good site would be the southeast corner of Kewajipan and Murni, where the abandoned project is. The site is odly shaped and it would be ideal for a station and bus hub and parking structure since it fronts 3 major roads (Murni, Subang Mewah, and Kewajipan).

Pedestrian bridges (with ramps) could be built to help pedestrians cross the intersection and at least 4 entrances for cars and pedestrians.

Oh, and the site next door is called USJ Sentral already :D

Anyways - do take a look at the mini-map that I have attached...and give me some feedback ... and reply with your own suggestions for the stations.

Please remember that the stations do not need development to be there already - they can be greenfield sites - but they have to be protected by the MPSJ so that when / if the LRT does come, construction will be fast and cheap and not disrupt our lives.

Cheers, m

[JoeJaffar]

there used to be a vacant land behind shell LDP/USJ 23, but now they're building shoplots there. that would've been a nice location to put the star/putra PH interchange. other than that, there's only kampung and USJ residential land nearby

[robertec]

I have a feeling that they may route the LRT through the location (USJ25) that Joe has indicated.
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[AllUrban]

I have a feeling that they may route the LRT through the location (USJ25) that Joe has indicated.
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=any maps, Joe or Robert?

Cheers, m

[patrick]

It is time to help identify sites for future LRT stations and ensure that MPSJ keep these sites and surrounding areas protected for the LRT ...

In fact it would be better if they freeze development until the LRT station and their carparks and bus hubs are built.

m proposes one site - the LRT station for Summit / USJ1 / 2 / 6 / 7 - which for lack of a better name can be called "USJ Sentral" or "Summit" station.


Good suggestion. Also get rid of eye sore. Only snag could be that this is private property and hence the authority may need to acquire it. Just a guess.

[robertec]

http://www.sjalert.com.my/images/community/captureusj25.jpg

[pat311]

wonder when this is going to happen. Already traffic in and out USJ is awful.hope something can be done soon. :rolleyes:

[pucman]

It is time to help identify sites for future LRT stations and ensure that MPSJ keep these sites and surrounding areas protected for the LRT ...

Cheers, m

I thought the route has already been finalised ? After all, it has been 2.5 years since they started talking about it.

The tender will be opened in one to 2 months time, i heard. So there won't be any changes to the route as the detailed plan is there.

[Sentinel]

Is the residents' voice louder or the voice of those with commercial interests (like shopping mall owners, hotel owners, college owners)?

[AllUrban]

http://www.sjalert.com.my/images/community/captureusj25.jpgThanks for the map, Robert.

From what I know, the Kelana Jaya *(PUTRA) line will be extended along Kewajipan past USJ19 and the Ampang (STAR) line would be extended from Puchong to USJ 25 and both will interchange in Putra Heights.

I thought the route has already been finalised ? After all, it has been 2.5 years since they started talking about it.

The tender will be opened in one to 2 months time, i heard. So there won't be any changes to the route as the detailed plan is there.The routes have been planned but not finalized - the Ministry of Transport still has to post the announcements for 3 months in the newspapers. Anyways, the location of stations must be looked at carefully.

I hope that people will participate in the process instead of waiting for the government to decide for them.

Cheers, m

[pucman]

The routes have been planned but not finalized - the Ministry of Transport still has to post the announcements for 3 months in the newspapers. Anyways, the location of stations must be looked at carefully.

I hope that people will participate in the process instead of waiting for the government to decide for them.

Cheers, m

My god ! Are you saying that during the past 3 years (not 3 months), people were just arguing endlessly and taking their own sweet time while a LRT is needed urgently ?

Is USJ 25 considered USJ or putra heights ?

[AllUrban]

My god ! Are you saying that during the past 3 years (not 3 months), people were just arguing endlessly and taking their own sweet time while a LRT is needed urgently ?

Is USJ 25 considered USJ or putra heights ?well, I suppose you could say that...wait, are you referring to the forumers/bloggers or the planners? :D

methinks that if they were actually ready with the plan and locations they would have made them public a long time ago. The locations might be known/confirmed but the finalization is on the very local level....things like longkang, stairways, building codes, etc.

I believe that USJ25 would be considered USj but who knows how the government is planning this out.

Cheers, m

[JoeJaffar]

Putra Height (or was it Putra Bistari area in Putra Heights) was supposed to be USJ28. USJ 25 is in USJ. Even when I first moved into Putra Heights, the Putra Bistari area was desribed as a part of USJ where as the other half of Putra Heights beyond the hill was considered the 'real' Putra Heights.

But USJ23-27 are at times loosely referred to Putra Heights too due to the 'marker' at the start of the USJ23-27 on ramp. Even the Petronas station there is addressed as Petronas Putra Heights. The local authorities tend to use their whims and fancies when referring to different areas within their same localities.

Same with the postcodes. Original Subang Jaya: 47500 - Subang Jaya. UEP Subang Jaya: 47630 - Petaling Jaya. Putra Heights: 47650 - Subang Jaya.

Saja merapu and membebel.

I presumed the Putra Heights interchange being referred to in the LRT plan is loosely assumed to be USJ25.

[AllUrban]

I presumed the Putra Heights interchange being referred to in the LRT plan is loosely assumed to be USJ25.it depends on which plan you are looking at. The state structural plan has the Ampang (STAR) line end at USJ17 while there is no extension of the Kelana Jaya (PUTRA) line....it actually looks like a separate line coming out of Subang Jaya KTM station.

To my knowledge, the federal government doesnt even have an official, gazetted plan for the extensions into USJ and Putra Heights. They are just going to modify the state plan and hope no one notices. Really cheeky.

Cheers, m

[pucman]

methinks that if they were actually ready with the plan and locations they would have made them public a long time ago.

I thought they have aleady made it public in the numerous newspaper reports in the past and the public has already given their feedback via their MP.

So why are we going back to square one ?

However, there is a saying 'too many cooks spoil the broth'. At this rate, the LRT will never appear.

[AllUrban]

I thought they have aleady made it public in the numerous newspaper reports in the past and the public has already given their feedback via their MP.

So why are we going back to square one ?

However, there is a saying 'too many cooks spoil the broth'. At this rate, the LRT will never appear.there are rules that they have to follow. Placing a general plan in the newspapers is not enough. They have to have an official plan for discussion.

Have you given feedback to your mp? Has anyone?

And for that matter, where in heaven's name is our MP??????

The process is there for people's protection...otherwise we end up with situations like the KL-Putrajaya Highway and the Subang Kelana Link.

Cheers, m

[sarawakian]

I think the bus routes should be in place and the LRT scrapped for now as thsi would make the place even more horrible with so many road skyways.....we are already in bad shape. The busses need good drivers. So the solution is a good career as bus drivers. :)

[pucman]

Have you given feedback to your mp? Has anyone?

And for that matter, where in heaven's name is our MP??????

The process is there for people's protection...otherwise we end up with situations like the KL-Putrajaya Highway and the Subang Kelana Link.



If I remember correctly by reading the newspaper reports, the then MP of subang (Ah beng) did discuss with the various residential committees leaders of subang jaya.

However, there doesn't seem to be any consultation on the puchong side (sri petaling lrt) from the puchong MP.

[pucman]

The busses need good drivers. So the solution is a good career as bus drivers. :)

Our bus drivers can never be as good as the one in Singapore due to different upbringing.

You can witness the various hell-drivers cutting queue and speeding. So don't rely on bus drivers.

It is better to have LRT to decrease the accident rate.

[clfoo]

I think that a good site would be the southeast corner of Kewajipan and Murni, where the abandoned project is. The site is odly shaped and it would be ideal for a station and bus hub and parking structure since it fronts 3 major roads (Murni, Subang Mewah, and Kewajipan).

that can be a good place but the cost to acquire it can be costly, or any bylaw to confiscate that land for left unattended and breeding mosquitoes?
side effect is it might add to the oledi jammed intersections.

Anyway, I would think Sunway/SJ/USJ should start own Bus Rapid Transit BRT now, once that BRT can run smoothly then the location of the hub is not that critical anymore.

[sarawakian]

Our bus drivers can never be as good as the one in Singapore due to different upbringing.

You can witness the various hell-drivers cutting queue and speeding. So don't rely on bus drivers.

It is better to have LRT to decrease the accident rate.

hahahhahahhahaha....true but why don't we all vote for or against LRT aka referendum in Subang Jaya? That can be done right? Each household owner, 1 vote
:D

[sarawakian]

Anyway...the Malay Mail Today Mentioned The Lrt Has Been Postponed Due To Lack Of Funds Till Another 2 To 3 Years! :d

I Still Say...let's Make The Bus Work

[USJ27Resident]

Anyway...the Malay Mail Today Mentioned The Lrt Has Been Postponed Due To Lack Of Funds Till Another 2 To 3 Years! :d

I Still Say...let's Make The Bus Work

So much for the RM4BILLION plus petrol subsidies that our HAS BEEN Govt diverted... :rolleyes: still blurrr to where all that money went... :rolleyes:

Heck - even the much tauted/lauded(?) monorail project in Penang (that was eventually awarded to Mtran/Scomi) [ yunno whose company!! ] got canned after Gerakan/BN got kicked in the ( :p ) last election!

[AllUrban]

Anyway...the Malay Mail Today Mentioned The Lrt Has Been Postponed Due To Lack Of Funds Till Another 2 To 3 Years! :d

I Still Say...let's Make The Bus Workwow, interesting info...do you have a link to the article?

Cheers, m

[vaw]

wow, interesting info...do you have a link to the article?

Cheers, m

AS stated by the Malay Mail,

http://www.mmail.com.my/Trains_delayed_-_to_2013.aspx

I am quite sad if the story turned out to be true. Going to have to wait another 4 years. Haizzzzzzzzzz :(

[patrick]

Yeah...I am utterly disappointed!!! It's so frustrating having to drive to Kelana Jaya each time and face all the traffic jam going there and back! When they increased the price of petrol, I still remember Pa La saying the money would be used to improve transport infrastructure. Now....???? Real NATO!!

[Fabe18]

There's a lot of planning to do with the LRT station. Even underground route would be restricted. I read somewhere that Malaysian law dictates that ownership of land goes from the surface all the way to the core of the Earth. Hence, no tunneling under houses.
Most immediate is still bus services.

I remember back when I was staying in Sri Muda and staying in Subang. The group of school buses would pick up students from various places in Shah Alam and Subang Jaya and all converged at a 'terminal' in Subang (it was in front of the PadiCorp shoplot in SS17). From there, the students would get off the buses and board another bus to go to Subang or PJ.
Maybe a refined structure of a similar system can be a long term solution even if the LRT comes to Subang eventually.

[pucman]

Yeah...I am utterly disappointed!!! It's so frustrating having to drive to Kelana Jaya each time and face all the traffic jam going there and back! When they increased the price of petrol, I still remember Pa La saying the money would be used to improve transport infrastructure. Now....???? Real NATO!!

The question is, they have been talking about this improvement since july 2006 and now it is feb 2009, so what happened in the last 3 years ?

LDP is already over congested, kelana jaya parking space and Bukit jalil parking space are also congested.

We severely need new LRT/MRT stations and parking space in LRT.

[AllUrban]

The problem they are having is that they cannot secure the funding (which makes sense as "secure the funding" means something else) and there is also political issues in the civil service and conflicts at Prasarana as well.

The fact that LRT has been placed as the only solution just makes things worse.

If I remember correctly by reading the newspaper reports, the then MP of subang (Ah beng) did discuss with the various residential committees leaders of subang jaya.

However, there doesn't seem to be any consultation on the puchong side (sri petaling lrt) from the puchong MP.Lee Hwa Beng (ADUN) did discuss with the SJ residential committees but there was no open and public consultation. I dont know what the MP Loh did but he was in support of LRT and the Subang Kelana link - I wonder if he is reconsidering the last one....

I recall there was a consultation between the previous Puchong MP and residents in 2006 when the announcement was made.

Anyways, the LHB-SJ proposal they made no longer works because of the Subang Kelana Link - there is no longer a cost-effective way to bring an LRT through SS15, Bandar Sunway, and USJ.

Anyway, I would think Sunway/SJ/USJ should start own Bus Rapid Transit BRT now, once that BRT can run smoothly then the location of the hub is not that critical anymore.The concern about bus lanes or BRT is always the "loss" of lanes for cars. We forget that 1 bus can move 80 people and take 53 cars off the road (see photo).

Bus lanes in the centre of the roads mean that service can be even more frequent and reliable...buses every 5 minutes...

For example, we can use the Subang-Kelana link to bring buses down into usj directly from a Lembah Subang LRT station - at the RapidKL depot. This station can easily be constructed as there are already "platforms" and guideway and track. If they started now it could be ready in 8-12 months!!!!!!

That service would go along Kewajipan to USJ-Summit & Taipan, then Jalan Tujuan to Pusat Bandar Subang Jaya, then back onto the Subang Kelana link with a direct trip up to the station. (see attached diagram - sorry I had to shrink it to get it small enough to upload)

So ... wait for 4 years or get great service in 8-12 months? Which do you prefer?

Cheers, m

[sarawakian]

Hey all,

Could we do this:

LRT

a. KTM pass between Carrefour and Subang Parade and turn RIGHT towards Masjid

b. 1 station Hassan / First Subang

c. Go towards flyover and then left towards Metropolitan College. Station can be here

d. Turn to the right pass SS13 with a station at the 4-junction of Kesas Hway.

e. Straight down to towards another station near SHELL

f. It goes towards from there with a station near the junction to Taipan.

g. Then it proceeds to to a place IN putra Heights and preferably near Giant as a hub

BUS

a. All buses are to have hubs at each station and feeds the tamans

[CS Chua]

Somebody seem to be doing soil testing near the 7/11 in SS14. In fact 2 are going on right now and they are along the LRT route. I am wondering whether this is part of the preparation for the LRT.

[patrick]

Somebody seem to be doing soil testing near the 7/11 in SS14. In fact 2 are going on right now and they are along the LRT route. I am wondering whether this is part of the preparation for the LRT.

Yes lah. It's already cofirmed by SJecho online.

[sarawakian]

Ya the test...but if they follow, depends got money or not. so test will give em idea of materails to use..but hat also means that the route already set one..... :eek:

[CS Chua]

Ya the test...but if they follow, depends got money or not. so test will give em idea of materails to use..but hat also means that the route already set one..... :eek:
My thoughts precisely otherwise why are they testing the soil there? Looks like it is a done deal as far as the route is concerned.

[ivanhow]

Hey all,

Could we do this:

LRT

a. KTM pass between Carrefour and Subang Parade and turn RIGHT towards Masjid

b. 1 station Hassan / First Subang
c. Go towards flyover and then left towards Metropolitan College. Station can be here
d. Turn to the right pass SS13 with a station at the 4-junction of Kesas Hway.
e. Straight down to towards another station near SHELL
f. It goes towards from there with a station near the junction to Taipan.
g. Then it proceeds to to a place IN putra Heights and preferably near Giant as a hub

BUS

a. All buses are to have hubs at each station and feeds the tamans
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Hi Sarawakian, and all who have discussed this LRT extension in here...

Rather than waiting for someone to fix the route, and then start to whine and complain, why not get together and then have a working session to chart what the proposed route would be among the residents here in SJ/USJ and PH?
That way, we can see and visualise the various proposed routes clearly and then select the routes in order of preference.

1. Get a few core ppl to coordinate the event.
2. Arrange for a date/time where we can meet. Get interested parties including community leaders, and some interested residents to attend meeting to chart out the various proposed routes, and then find another day to brain storm on these proposed routes.
3. Find a venue we can get togerther over a weekend afternoon. Preferable a place we can all meet and discuss. (3K might be possible?)
4. Bring a map to chart out the various proposed routes.
5. Then present the proposed routs to our ADUN for submission to the relevant authorities that have influence on the decision making for the Proposed LRT.

I will volunteer to bring a map for you all to chart the proposed routes, as I have already prepared a spliced map for this purpose, only waiting for the proposed routes to be drawn up. ;)

Anyone willing to start the ball rolling? :D

[ivanhow]

The question is, they have been talking about this improvement since july 2006 and now it is feb 2009, so what happened in the last 3 years ?

LDP is already over congested, kelana jaya parking space and Bukit jalil parking space are also congested.

We severely need new LRT/MRT stations and parking space in LRT. If you remember, it was just after the March8 12th GE that our PM suddently woke up, (after increasing the price of fuel at the end of 2007) and realise it was time to see what the ppl needed, and he took a ride on the LRT to see if the ppl's complaints were genuine. When the broom sweeps, the dust gets all over. Now the dust has settled, our ministers are now too busy with the issues of the day, and has probably forgotten about the money allocated from the fuel increase and the ppl's needs, and gone back to the daily political chores again. After the 12th GE, a new transport minister takes over. and now the old is forgotten, or put into the shelf collecting dusts until some fine day when the 'boss' says, "we need to look at it again..."

AS stated by the Malay Mail,

http://www.mmail.com.my/Trains_delayed_-_to_2013.aspx

I am quite sad if the story turned out to be true. Going to have to wait another 4 years. Haizzzzzzzzzz :(All the talk about increasing fuel price at the pump, in order to provide for infrastructure is all but crap, cos we dun noe how the money is allocated by the EPU and the Finance Minister. Where the money has gone is not our concern. They have to find the money. The news in the mmail just out there is so that you ppl will not push hard for the LRT project now... and to accept 2013 as the date...
As residents, we need to take pro-active action, and plan the route and bring it to the relevant authorities for action. It is important to get the support of the residents for the LRT route if you want the LRT. There are ppl who do not want the LRT. So, no action means no LRT, or delayed LRT ... take your time. :D

[pucman]

If you remember, it was just after the March8 12th GE that our PM suddently woke up, (after increasing the price of fuel at the end of 2007) D

It was in june 2006 that somebody (najib?) promised a better public transport after a price hike. They said the money will be used for better transportation.

Then another announcement came at end of 2007 from pak lah.

So after two talks, we still have to wait for 4 more years ? ARRGH.

[ivanhow]

It was in june 2006 that somebody (najib?) promised a better public transport after a price hike. They said the money will be used for better transportation.

Then another announcement came at end of 2007 from pak lah.

So after two talks, we still have to wait for 4 more years ? ARRGH.
Yeah. I think that's what happened, sweet talk the ppl into believing that the money saved by the garmen would be used for infra. Now, the money nowhere to be found? What puzzles us is that the garmen can give each MP the luxury to go Taiwan for a holiday, and to allocate funds for the various corridors. But, the reduce the burden of the rakyat on infra from money already allocated... :confused: sorry, not available. :eek:

It's OK if the funds can be allocated, and progress made for the much needed project, but not if the delay of project is due to unavailability of funds.

Either way, we as residents must rise up to the occassion to chart the route rather than be given a route where it will messed up our township into a bizzare massive daily traffic jam with no end in sight. :eek: This we must avoid at all possible cost.

[AllUrban]

Ya the test...but if they follow, depends got money or not. so test will give em idea of materails to use..but hat also means that the route already set one..... :eek:no, it means that they are testing out soil conditions on one possible route. The route they have shown us may be their "ideal" but it is not a "done deal" until they make the exact, detailed route public for 3 months.

Hopefully they will be smart enough to test in other places....just in case...

hopefully?

Cheers, m

[AllUrban]

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Hi Sarawakian, and all who have discussed this LRT extension in here...

Rather than waiting for someone to fix the route, and then start to whine and complain, why not get together and then have a working session to chart what the proposed route would be among the residents here in SJ/USJ and PH?
That way, we can see and visualise the various proposed routes clearly and then select the routes in order of preference.

1. Get a few core ppl to coordinate the event.
2. Arrange for a date/time where we can meet. Get interested parties including community leaders, and some interested residents to attend meeting to chart out the various proposed routes, and then find another day to brain storm on these proposed routes.
3. Find a venue we can get togerther over a weekend afternoon. Preferable a place we can all meet and discuss. (3K might be possible?)
4. Bring a map to chart out the various proposed routes.
5. Then present the proposed routs to our ADUN for submission to the relevant authorities that have influence on the decision making for the Proposed LRT.

I will volunteer to bring a map for you all to chart the proposed routes, as I have already prepared a spliced map for this purpose, only waiting for the proposed routes to be drawn up. ;)

Anyone willing to start the ball rolling? :Dbeen there, done that...but always willing to do it again.

Cheers, m

[superz]

perhaps the empty land that was previously used by Giant for car park can be converted to LRT station. :)

Sunway Group should try to convince the government to have the lrt line to have a station near them, to attract more people to their shopping complex, instead of having the lrt to move along Persiaran Jengka.

[clfoo]

For example, we can use the Subang-Kelana link to bring buses down into usj directly from a Lembah Subang LRT station - at the RapidKL depot. This station can easily be constructed as there are already "platforms" and guideway and track. If they started now it could be ready in 8-12 months!!!!!!

That service would go along Kewajipan to USJ-Summit & Taipan, then Jalan Tujuan to Pusat Bandar Subang Jaya, then back onto the Subang Kelana link with a direct trip up to the station. (see attached diagram - sorry I had to shrink it to get it small enough to upload)

Ya, plan for BRT now regardless when LRT coming in.



Sunway Group should try to convince the government to have the lrt line to have a station near them, to attract more people to their shopping complex, instead of having the lrt to move along Persiaran Jengka.
I would prefer that the LRT go along KTM track at Subang Jaya station then enter sunway then cross kesas enter usj without passing SJ.

[patrick]

no, it means that they are testing out soil conditions on one possible route. The route they have shown us may be their "ideal" but it is not a "done deal" until they make the exact, detailed route public for 3 months.

Hopefully they will be smart enough to test in other places....just in case...

hopefully?

Cheers, m

Noted that the soil test is very extensive now. They are doing all along Psn Kewajipan and along Jln Jengka.

[ivanhow]

been there, done that...but always willing to do it again.

Cheers, m
Hello M,

We have more ppl who are aware of the plan to extend the LRT into SJ/USJ now than before. Now, the garmen has been seen actively putting it's efforts into the project as can be seen by the work going on to verify it's proposed route. If we dun do it now, the opportunity will be gone forever, then we will have to be satisfied with whatever is proposed already by whoever that may be.

Soil testing is usually carried out to determine the depth of piling or the dept of the foundation structure required. All SJ and USJ are oil-palm estate (and is on hill land), not mining land. Hence there is nothing to fear about whether the land is suitable or not. It will be, it's just how much of piling is needed or how deep the foundation is going to be. Usually the soil test are carried out by the bidders of the project, in response to the RFQ (bid). The route is given by the issuing authorities, the bidder of the project will have to calculate the (and submit) cost of the project by way of QS (quantity survey). And soil tests are usual part of the QS process.

So folks, why not do it again, this time with a proper proposal. Our previous ADUN and MP is no longer representing the ppl in the local council and in the Parliament. The old proposals are as good as not there.

So, let's get organised before it's too late to make proposals. The opportunity to raise objections were already given to the public last year. Yet, we have ppl not agreeing to the routes. If routes are not agreed, it is pointless to make proposals to the location of the LRT stations. If we make proposals for the LRT stations, it means we are agreeing to the proposed routes already. And if you agreed to the routes, which of the routes are you basing on? So, which is which? :confused:

[AllUrban]

So, let's get organised before it's too late to make proposals. The opportunity to raise objections were already given to the public last year. Yet, we have ppl not agreeing to the routes. If routes are not agreed, it is pointless to make proposals to the location of the LRT stations. If we make proposals for the LRT stations, it means we are agreeing to the proposed routes already. And if you agreed to the routes, which of the routes are you basing on? So, which is which? :confused:Hahhaa you caught me! Good stuff.

m supported the extension of the line...when the Kewajipan corridor was available. Now it is no longer available in Subang Jaya thanks to the Subang-Kelana link....so they intend to use Jalan Jengka instead....

that I dont support.

m also supports the extension of the LRT from Seri Petaling. Actually, truth is that m believes that there is a better option - an LRT or (extension of the monorail) from KL Sentral to Puchong following Jalan Klang Lama and Jalan Puchong.

A branch of that line could service USJ.

If that were to be built, m thinks that a BRT service using the Subang-Kelana link and the Kewajipan-Tujuan loop would be more than enough for Subang Jaya....because USJ would have an LRT or monorail service coming in from the east side.

Cheers, m

[AllUrban]

perhaps the empty land that was previously used by Giant for car park can be converted to LRT station. :)

Sunway Group should try to convince the government to have the lrt line to have a station near them, to attract more people to their shopping complex, instead of having the lrt to move along Persiaran Jengka.Sunway has tried...believe me, they have tried. And if they Subang-Kelana link had not been built, then it is very likely that LRT would be traveling to Sunway before heading back to USJ1.

Cheers, m

[ivanhow]

...so they intend to use Jalan Jengka instead....

that I dont support. I think there are those in SS14 and 18 who does not support this line running along Jengka. The map that was previouslt supplied by you, seems to be lacking in some details, and with some gaps to be filled. The LRT line need not be along the Kewajipan route, it can run along the less populated areas, but the LRT stations may need to located along parts that are near busy rather than already very busy parts. Why can't it run along the Federal H'way and have interchange just side by side to the KTM station at Carrefour, then have feeder Monorail from Carrefour running along the perimeter of SJ/USJ? There were suggestions that LRT don't come into SJ/USJ due to the over development. Just throwing in some ideas.



m also supports the extension of the LRT from Seri Petaling. Actually, truth is that m believes that there is a better option - an LRT or (extension of the monorail) from KL Sentral to Puchong following Jalan Klang Lama and Jalan Puchong.

A branch of that line could service USJ.
I am not sure whether it be good idea to use the Monorial extending into SJ/USJ from KL Sentral. Monorail built on the existing model does not seem to have speed to cope with the medium distance travel it is intended to serve.


If that were to be built, m thinks that a BRT service using the Subang-Kelana link and the Kewajipan-Tujuan loop would be more than enough for Subang Jaya....because USJ would have an LRT or monorail service coming in from the east side.

Cheers, m
The red and blue lines shown on the previous sketch (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=323774&postcount=28) provided seems to show the two lines, one from Kelana, and the other from Sri Petaling. But, these lines seems to criss-cross each other, suggesting that there could be two different lines having an interchange at the criss-cross, yet they are confusing too. Somewhere, the understanding I got was that the Sri-Petaling line will end up at Putra Heights after passing thru Puchong and Sunway. Yet this is so puzzling when looking at the sketch (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=323774&postcount=28), lines go zig-zag, like a jigsaw puzzle.
Best would be that, SJ/USJ/PH residents gather to view the existing proposed routes, and then critique on the routes. Then, counter propose what the routes should look like.

Cheers!

[pucman]

The red and blue lines shown on the previous sketch (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=323774&postcount=28) provided seems to show the two lines, one from Kelana, and the other from Sri Petaling. But, these lines seems to criss-cross each other, suggesting that there could be two [Cheers!

The last time I saw another map which is different from this map. So which is the real map ?

For sure, the LRT won't stop at sunway.

[ivanhow]

The last time I saw another map which is different from this map. So which is the real map ?

For sure, the LRT won't stop at sunway.Hi pucman :) , The sketch was provided by m last yr. It's got lots of missing details, and has lot's of gap in it too. Not sure where he got it from. Cud u bring up or provide the link to the one that you have seen? Whose proposal was that?

[tsd]

Somebody seem to be doing soil testing near the 7/11 in SS14. In fact 2 are going on right now and they are along the LRT route. I am wondering whether this is part of the preparation for the LRT.

very strange, the drilling is not near the 7/11... it is further down, nearer to the u-turn, which is beyond the SS14 longkang... does that mean the LRT is not going into SS14 ? Maybe the drilling/soil testing is for some advertisment structures.

[avusblue]

Soil Investigation currently being done along multiple point of Jalan Kewajipan, all the way from USJ2 to SS18. Look for the boring rigs in the middle of the divider.

[pucman]

Hi pucman :) , The sketch was provided by m last yr. It's got lots of missing details, and has lot's of gap in it too. Not sure where he got it from. Cud u bring up or provide the link to the one that you have seen? Whose proposal was that?

It was in one of the newspaper.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/6/15/nation/21558681&sec=nation

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/6/15/nation/n_01railtrack.jpg

[AllUrban]

Hi pucman :) , The sketch was provided by m last yr. It's got lots of missing details, and has lot's of gap in it too. Not sure where he got it from. Cud u bring up or provide the link to the one that you have seen? Whose proposal was that?Ivanhow

that image is taken from the Selangor state structural plan. Since the file was too large to post to the forum, Chang cut out the specific image of Subang Jaya and added a reference.

The state structural plan is gazzetted and therefore legal. The proposal from the federal government reflects some of the structural plan but as Ivanhow pointed out, there are gaps.

By the way, red line means "Laluan Transit" which could mean bus lanes, while blue line is "Laluan Rel" which means LRT or monorail or KTM train.

My own opinion that I stated in the discussion of the Subang Jaya local plan is that we bring the Ampang line to Sunway then USJ.

Cheers, m

[pucman]

Ivanhow

My own opinion that I stated in the discussion of the Subang Jaya local plan is that we bring the Ampang line to Sunway then USJ.

Cheers, m

What is the rationale behind it in terms of cost, timing, convenience etc.

[AllUrban]

What is the rationale behind it in terms of cost, timing, convenience etc.Good question.

Ampang line is not the most direct route to KL since it would go through Kinrara, Bandar Tun Razak, etc.

However, there are some advantages to the extension of the Ampang line such as:

larger trains - the Ampang line trains are 6-carriages in length and wider than the Kelana Jaya line trains - even with the new 4-carriage KJ line trains.

more space - the Kelana Jaya line is already 45% over capacity and with the new 4-carriage trains will still be at 25% over capacity during peak hours. In contrast, the Ampang line is 70% undercapacity especially along the Seri Petaling stretch

services more communities - an extension of the Ampang line would link USJ to Sunway, Kinrara and Puchong Jaya, among other communities

pushes for a line along Jalan Puchong - A line along Jalan Klang Lama and Jalan Puchong directly to KL will be spurred by the extension of the Ampang line - and USJ residents will be able to use it.

access to Sunway - since the Ampang line follows the KESAS highway, access to Sunway is relatively easier

lower costs overall - since the Ampang line will follow the KESAS highway alignment, it can be built at ground level, reducing the overall costs through Kinrara and Puchong Jaya and Sunway...but still serving these communities

reduced congestion in Subang Jaya and USJ - since the line would enter USJ from behind Summit, there would be reduced traffic congestion in the area

That's a summary of the advantages.

For more direct travel to KL, I believe that a BRT linking USJ to Subang Jaya KTM and Lembah Subang LRT would be the best option...cheaper and faster than waiting for that LRT to come here.

Cheers, m

[pucman]

Good question.

more space - the Kelana Jaya line is already 45% over capacity and with the new 4-carriage trains will still be at 25% over capacity during peak hours. In contrast, the Ampang line is 70% undercapacity especially along the Seri Petaling stretch



Obviously, you haven't been using the ampang line during peak hours ! It is overflowing with passengers during peak hours. I thought I mentioned I nearly fainted on the train, vomitted and nobody bothered to give up their seat to a sick man ?

Due to the proximity of puchong to sri petaling, the ampang line must pass through puchong and is also the most sensible economically and geographically.

The easiest and cheapest solution is for the ampang line to connect with kelana jaya line at sunway pyramid (both along the LDP) and we've solved the problems with too long a distance to KL.

Distance from kelana jaya to sunway pyramid is only around 5 km while distance from sri petaling to sunway pyramid is around 10 km. The cost of building it would also be lower than the original plan of connecting via putra heights.

The current solution of building LRT routes through puchong perdana via putra heights takes too long to go to KL.

usj people can then request for another direct line to KL via the NPE or Jln puchong (which will take another 10 years at the current rate). What do you think ?

[AllUrban]

Obviously, you haven't been using the ampang line during peak hours ! It is overflowing with passengers during peak hours. I thought I mentioned I nearly fainted on the train, vomitted and nobody bothered to give up their seat to a sick man ?

Due to the proximity of puchong to sri petaling, the ampang line must pass through puchong and is also the most sensible economically and geographically.

The easiest and cheapest solution is for the ampang line to connect with kelana jaya line at sunway pyramid (both along the LDP) and we've solved the problems with too long a distance to KL.

Distance from kelana jaya to sunway pyramid is only around 5 km while distance from sri petaling to sunway pyramid is around 10 km. The cost of building it would also be lower than the original plan of connecting via putra heights.

The current solution of building LRT routes through puchong perdana via putra heights takes too long to go to KL.

usj people can then request for another direct line to KL via the NPE or Jln puchong (which will take another 10 years at the current rate). What do you think ?Pucman, you're right that I dont use that LRT line regularly. But I am going by my off peak observations (trains every 15 minutes on Sundays after Chan Sow Lin) and the words of Prasarana and RapidKL.

The Ampang line passing through Puchong Jaya makes alot of sense, but Im not sure about the other Puchongs. I think that for them, it makes more sense to build another LRT directly from KL to Puchong. USJ residents who want to go to the city centre can change trains in Puchong Jaya.

The suggestion of extending the Kelana Jaya LRT is a good one on a geographical level - but look at the density and congestion around the LDP and it becomes tough to see a place where the extension could be built. You can go through SS5 (a more direct route) but then there are factories along the LDP near the motorola interchange...so it is problematic.

As for using the NPE for an LRT - I think there is another option - a branch line that links to the existing KTM tracks at Kampung Dato Harun/Old Klang Road. This train could operate in the middle of the NPE to the end of Subang Jaya at least...

Another option is BRT using the centre lanes of the NPE, instead of a train.

Cheers, m

[pucman]

Pucman, you're right that I dont use that LRT line regularly. But I am going by my off peak observations (trains every 15 minutes on Sundays after Chan Sow Lin) and the words of Prasarana and RapidKL.

Cheers, m

The most crucial part of any LRT is to take people to and from the workplace to improve the productivity of the nation.

I doubt those guys in prasarana or rapidkl take the LRT to work during peak hours (monday to friday).

If they had a sudden heart attack, I doubt anybody will give up their seats to them. Luckily I just vomitted and felt giddy that day and not having a heart attack or else I wouldn't be writing in this forum !

[pucman]

The Ampang line passing through Puchong Jaya makes alot of sense, but Im not sure about the other Puchongs. I think that for them, it makes more sense to build another LRT directly from KL to Puchong. USJ residents who want to go to the city centre can change trains in Puchong Jaya.

As for using the NPE for an LRT - I think there is another option - a branch line that links to the existing KTM tracks at Kampung Dato Harun/Old Klang Road. This train could operate in the middle of the NPE to the end of Subang Jaya at least...



The rest of puchong is going to drive their car to puchong jaya to go to KL. We can't possibly cover all the places in klang valley, can we ? Or else we would have to cover shah alam as well which is another nightmare.

As for USJ folks, the most logical way is to build another line directly to KL via NPE (this will connect USJ 20 to USJ 1 along jln kewajipan or persiaran ?). This will also solve the congestion problem of the current kelana jaya line.

Connecting USJ to ampang line is a bad idea as it takes too long to go to KL as the sri petaling line is an L-shape and not a straight line as in the kelana jaya line. Furthermore, that ampang line IS congested during peak hours. (I stress !)

The folks at subang jaya SS15, SS19 etc will have to drive to sunway LRT (to go to KL) since it is so near to them (less than 5 mins drive?). And there will be no complaints of the LRT noise and jam near their homes. So this is a win-win situation.

Please note: anybody who has taken KTM know that it is horribly slow and unreliable. You certainly don't want to be late for work and get scolded by your boss, do you ?

[pucman]

There were suggestions that LRT don't come into SJ/USJ due to the over development. Just throwing in some ideas.

Somewhere, the understanding I got was that the Sri-Petaling line will end up at Putra Heights after passing thru Puchong and Sunway.

Our bus transportation system is hopeless (when compared to countries like singapore, USA etc) so LRT is the only solution in USJ to alleviate the traffic jams.

Sri petaling line doesn't pass through sunway because it is up north. The original plan is to pass through puchong jaya before heading along LDP to USJ 21.

If you look at the map, IOI mall in puchong jaya is just next to USJ 8.

[pucman]

The suggestion of extending the Kelana Jaya LRT is a good one on a geographical level - but look at the density and congestion around the LDP and it becomes tough to see a place where the extension could be built. You can go through SS5 (a more direct route) but then there are factories along the LDP near the motorola interchange...so it is problematic.



The LDP is severely congested but then so is the federal highway/jln bangsar. We still have the kelana jaya line moving through these congested areas to go to KL.

[AllUrban]

The rest of puchong is going to drive their car to puchong jaya to go to KL. We can't possibly cover all the places in klang valley, can we ? Or else we would have to cover shah alam as well which is another nightmare.

As for USJ folks, the most logical way is to build another line directly to KL via NPE (this will connect USJ 20 to USJ 1 along jln kewajipan or persiaran ?). This will also solve the congestion problem of the current kelana jaya line.

Connecting USJ to ampang line is a bad idea as it takes too long to go to KL as the sri petaling line is an L-shape and not a straight line as in the kelana jaya line. Furthermore, that ampang line IS congested during peak hours. (I stress !)

The folks at subang jaya SS15, SS19 etc will have to drive to sunway LRT (to go to KL) since it is so near to them (less than 5 mins drive?). And there will be no complaints of the LRT noise and jam near their homes. So this is a win-win situation.

Please note: anybody who has taken KTM know that it is horribly slow and unreliable. You certainly don't want to be late for work and get scolded by your boss, do you ?Pucman, the LRT and KTM lines have to be complemented by feeder bus service - if a line is running from KL to Puchong Utama or Bandar Puteri Puchong, then it will be possible to have the feeder bus service.

Linking the Ampang line to USJ is the government's plan. It is not the most direct route to KL .... there should be a direct line from KL - Puchong and a transfer at Puchong Jaya. The lines can even be designed to be fully interchangable.

A line on Tujuan/NPE is a possibility but the NPE folks would fight hard against it...and much of the NPE already follows the KTM tracks anyways.

As for KTM Komuter being slow, there is nothing wrong with KTMB that better management and more equipment cannot fix. We can fix KTM Komuter far faster than we can build the LRT line extensions...and for far less money.

Cheers, m

[ivanhow]

Ivanhow

that image is taken from the Selangor state structural plan...Hi M, Thanks for the effort.



By the way, red line means "Laluan Transit" which could mean bus lanes, while blue line is "Laluan Rel" which means LRT or monorail or KTM train.Thot that "Laluan Transit" was Transit (LRT), while "Laluan Rel" was Rail-lane (KTM or monorail).

On 2nd thot you might be more correct, "Laluan Transit" could refer to "Rapid Transit" as you said, could mean Rapid Transit Lane.



My own opinion that I stated in the discussion of the Subang Jaya local plan is that we bring the Ampang line to Sunway then USJ.

Cheers, mMakes sense though, but it's not easy to agree or disagree, as it is not easy to visualise it without a map. I wud suggest putting your proposal on the map then we can see how it could work out.
Cheers!

[ivanhow]

Our bus transportation system is hopeless (when compared to countries like singapore, USA etc) so LRT is the only solution in USJ to alleviate the traffic jams.

Sri petaling line doesn't pass through sunway because it is up north. The original plan is to pass through puchong jaya before heading along LDP to USJ 21.

If you look at the map, IOI mall in puchong jaya is just next to USJ 8.
I ain't going to agree or disagree on any of the proposals at this point in time, as there are some reasons for them whether good or bad. Somewhere in the forum, there were points in general of what the Klang Valley Transportation system should look like. If we look at some of the systems around the world, we can pick up some of the good ideas, and incorporate them.

One such idea is Trains are better to server intercity travel (where speed is not a must). As the city gets more and more developed, it is more difficult to build lines into the cities without messing up the city. So, that leaves us with interchanges - which must be built at outside the city. These interchange must be able to take the high passenger through-puts that it is meant to serve. Ppl staying in satelite towns surrounding KL will board intra-city lines into and out of the city. Ppl staying on the outer satelite towns such as Klang, Rawang, Cheras (South), and Batu Caves and beyond, will need to enter the city via the (highspeed) interchanges, transfer to intra-city lines to reach the city.

Surrounding the city, there should be a round robin line that serves travelling from North to South, East to West without entering the city.

This structure may better serve the Klang Valley transportation needs in the long run, then to build and extend lines haphazardly.

The speed of KTM trains are too slow to effectively serve the working population in the Klang Valley. OK to serve as leisure rides.

Similarly, the monorail within the city is good for inter shopping rides (for shoppers and tourists), but can't really be relied on for the working population. Ppl going to work from the outskirt (satellite) towns to the city need a system that will take no longer than 40mins to get to their destination. I took a ride from Kelana Jaya to KLCC, took me near to an hour.
Cheers!

[pucman]

I ain't going to agree or disagree on any of the proposals at this point in time, Cheers!

Are you part of the committee to approve the routes ? If you're not, it is useless discussing about this because it has been discussed for nearly 3 years. LOL.

If you ask 100 people, 99 will have different routes on their mind. It is a saying "too many cooks spoil the broth".
And they are adamant in their routes.

[ivanhow]

Are you part of the committee to approve the routes ? If you're not, it is useless discussing about this because it has been discussed for nearly 3 years. LOL.

If you ask 100 people, 99 will have different routes on their mind. It is a saying "too many cooks spoil the broth".
And they are adamant in their routes.
Hi pucman buddy :) , I am obviously not in the committee to approve the routes. Wish I were though :D, then I wont be proposing any.

We probably won't have the luxury to ask 100 ppl to propose the routes, that won't help much either. Why not you make your proposed routes, then we look at it? As I said, I am not disagreeing to your proposals, just that I dun noe which is your proposed route. If it makes sense, why not?

[AllUrban]

just heard that there will be another meeting for public feedback in Subang, near the end of the month....

It will be held by a consultant appointed by Prasarana to develop an Integrated public transport system.


Cheers, m

[ivanhow]

just heard that there will be another meeting for public feedback in Subang, near the end of the month....

It will be held by a consultant appointed by Prasarana to develop an Integrated public transport system.


Cheers, mPlease do keep us updated on the time & venue for the meeting. We would like to hear from the consultants as well. But, it would be better if we can bring along our proposed routes to the meeting for them to consider.

Heard you headed a committee on public transport in the Klang Valley. What have the committee proposed, can we have an understanding of it? Alternatively, wud you like to spearhead a team of SJ/USJ Residents to put up the proposals by the residents here?

[clfoo]

so in short LRT extension not going to solve our woes ... especially if it gonna be congested and taking more than 60 minutes to reach KL .. while waiting for the mirage, other solutions can also be implemented in parallel, cheaper and faster

1)efficient BRT cover sj/usj/sunway/puchong

2)Highway express bus -
i.e. ply Kesas-putrajaya hway to reach bkt jalil-jalan tun razak-klcc-bkt bintang,
ply NPE to midvalley-KL sentral,
ply Elite to Damansara uptown-BU
ply new subang airport flyover to PJ

Btw, is it possible to use the river way? I think that river can connect usj with old klang road and midvalley and lot 10 and PWTC. Likely ?

[AllUrban]

The LDP is severely congested but then so is the federal highway/jln bangsar. We still have the kelana jaya line moving through these congested areas to go to KL.yes, but the LRT moves across, not along the highway. Actually, the line follows the electricity towers all the way to KL. Where along the LDP would you find space for the LRT?
Please do keep us updated on the time & venue for the meeting. We would like to hear from the consultants as well. But, it would be better if we can bring along our proposed routes to the meeting for them to consider.

Heard you headed a committee on public transport in the Klang Valley. What have the committee proposed, can we have an understanding of it? Alternatively, wud you like to spearhead a team of SJ/USJ Residents to put up the proposals by the residents here?I will keep everyone updated - but this is going through the ADUN's office as far as I know.

Regarding the proposals, it will be a little while before we can share the full details ... but I can give some alternative proposals from other people.
so in short LRT extension not going to solve our woes ... especially if it gonna be congested and taking more than 60 minutes to reach KL .. while waiting for the mirage, other solutions can also be implemented in parallel, cheaper and faster

1)efficient BRT cover sj/usj/sunway/puchong

2)Highway express bus -
i.e. ply Kesas-putrajaya hway to reach bkt jalil-jalan tun razak-klcc-bkt bintang,
ply NPE to midvalley-KL sentral,
ply Elite to Damansara uptown-BU
ply new subang airport flyover to PJ

Btw, is it possible to use the river way? I think that river can connect usj with old klang road and midvalley and lot 10 and PWTC. Likely ?The Selangor government is talking about cleaning up the rivers and improving public transport - including the possibility of river transport - but river transport would be very very slow.

The simplest solution - cheap LRT extensions (Ampang line), cheap expansions (more carriages for KTM, expand Kelana Jaya line to 8-carriages) and busways using the main roads and expressways.

Cheers, m

[ivanhow]

...Regarding the proposals, it will be a little while before we can share the full details ... but I can give some alternative proposals from other people.
Cheers, mCan you share some of these alternative proposals from 'other ppl' you know? Let's understand it better.

[ivanhow]

It was in one of the newspaper.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/6/15/nation/21558681&sec=nation

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/6/15/nation/n_01railtrack.jpg
Thanks pucman, this is a nice and colorful sketch. It wud be nice if it has more details. Is this still current, or is obsoleted already?

Cheers!

[pucman]

Thanks pucman, this is a nice and colorful sketch. It wud be nice if it has more details. Is this still current, or is obsoleted already?

Cheers!

The map was published in the star in june 2008.

Let's see a few alternative routes and their map. Let's also list down the advantages and disadvantages.

Finally, appoint someone who is objective and reasonable to head the committee.

Eg. I took the sri petaling line to work everyday last year and related a bad incident there due to the horrendous jam packed train during peak hours .

And yet somebody still quote the trains as 'undercapacity' when they don't take the trains themselves? That is being subjective and for obviously selfish reasons.

When the sri petaling line is extended to puchong jaya, I can see it becoming worse due to the huge population of puchong. I cannot imagine it being extended further to USJ without increasing travel time and increasing the tremendous load.

The travel time from sri petaling to masjid jamek is already 30 to 40 mins.

The interchange of kelana jaya and sri petaling should preferably be in the same spot as the nearest KTM station to faciliate intercity transfer.

I know there is a KTM station at subang but is there one near sunway ?

[pucman]

so in short LRT extension not going to solve our woes ... especially if it gonna be congested and taking more than 60 minutes to reach KL .. while waiting for the mirage, other solutions can also be implemented in parallel, cheaper and faster

1)efficient BRT cover sj/usj/sunway/puchong



The best solution as I see it is as follows.

1. For long distance travel (eg. klang, shah alam to KL),

Use KTM even though it is slower

2. For medium distance travel (within the greater KL),

Use LRT as it is faster than KTM.

My definition of greater KL is the outer middle ring road encompassing LDP and Kesas Highway which makes a loop.

3. For short distance travel

Use extensive buses or trams to LRT or KTM stops.

I think the land area of Singapore's MRT system is about the same as greater KL. They have an extensive network of good buses. Unfortunately, our buses are still inefficient and slow.

[ivanhow]

The map was published in the star in june 2008.

Let's see a few alternative routes and their map. Let's also list down the advantages and disadvantages. You have any? Any suggestions from Sunway residents ?



Finally, appoint someone who is objective and reasonable to head the committee.We need to have representatives from the different areas. Sunway, Subang Jaya & USJ, Putra Heights and Puchong as well. Puchong and Putra Heights are two large area.



Eg. I took the sri petaling line to work everyday last year and related a bad incident there due to the horrendous jam packed train during peak hours . Looks like you travel to Bkt Jalil, then board the train to KL. How do you travel to Bkt Jalil, then? RapidKL?
How long does it take from Kelana Jaya to Masjid Jamek?


And yet somebody still quote the trains as 'undercapacity' when they don't take the trains themselves? That is being subjective and for obviously selfish reasons. Obviously the trains can be undercapacity during non-peak hours, and overloaded during peak hours.


When the sri petaling line is extended to puchong jaya, I can see it becoming worse due to the huge population of puchong. I cannot imagine it being extended further to USJ without increasing travel time and increasing the tremendous load..
..The travel time from sri petaling to masjid jamek is already 30 to 40 mins. Am sure it will.


The interchange of kelana jaya and sri petaling should preferably be in the same spot as the nearest KTM station to faciliate intercity transfer.

I know there is a KTM station at subang but is there one near sunway ?What do you think of the spot east and west, and on the north side of the present KTM station at Subang Jaya? There is quite a large piece of vacant land there, undeveloped (as far as visible).
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/usjtraffic/KTM-SubangJaya.jpg

The KTM station (infact there is two) at/near Sunway and is next to the Federal H'way, some half-a-kilometer away from Leisure Commerce Square. (See the image below). Not sure if there is still vacant land near there for an LRT and Bus interchange.
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/usjtraffic/KTM-SeriSetia.jpg

[Mat Bruce]

The map was published in the star in june 2008.

Let's see a few alternative routes and their map. Let's also list down the advantages and disadvantages.

Finally, appoint someone who is objective and reasonable to head the committee.

Eg. I took the sri petaling line to work everyday last year and related a bad incident there due to the horrendous jam packed train during peak hours .

And yet somebody still quote the trains as 'undercapacity' when they don't take the trains themselves? That is being subjective and for obviously selfish reasons.

When the sri petaling line is extended to puchong jaya, I can see it becoming worse due to the huge population of puchong. I cannot imagine it being extended further to USJ without increasing travel time and increasing the tremendous load.

The travel time from sri petaling to masjid jamek is already 30 to 40 mins.

The interchange of kelana jaya and sri petaling should preferably be in the same spot as the nearest KTM station to faciliate intercity transfer.

I know there is a KTM station at subang but is there one near sunway ?

Anyone heard of Flexi-Time? The problem is everyone goes to work at the same time and creating peak times.

I am sure if 30% of people are allowed to start later (or earlier) it will make it more pleasant. They have this keys that you timed in and as long you make the 8 hrs you are fine.

[pucman]

The KTM station (infact there is two) at/near Sunway and is next to the Federal H'way, some half-a-kilometer away from Leisure Commerce Square. [/IMG]

I travelled to bukit jalil with my car (park at the LRT) as I have said that the bus network is poor and unreliable. I don't want to be late for work !

From your map, there is a KTM station called Setia Jaya next to sunway. If this area is big enough to handle the kelana jaya and sri petaling line. Then this is the best place as it is nearest to both LRT lines. Furthermore, it is at the interchange of the LDP and Federal highway with already has an extensive network of buses, taxis flowing through it.

If this site is not big enough, then there's no choice but to build the interchange at subang jaya KTM at a higher cost.

The Subang Jaya KTM doesn't lie next to LDP which will make transferring to the north (bandar utama) and south (putrajaya) much easier.

[clfoo]

Your prediction:

When the sri petaling line is extended to puchong jaya, I can see it becoming worse due to the huge population of puchong. I cannot imagine it being extended further to USJ without increasing travel time and increasing the tremendous load.

The travel time from sri petaling to masjid jamek is already 30 to 40 mins.

Yet you still think it's the best solution? :confused:

2. For medium distance travel (within the greater KL),

Use LRT as it is faster than KTM.

My definition of greater KL is the outer middle ring road encompassing LDP and Kesas Highway which makes a loop.



And yet somebody still quote the trains as 'undercapacity' when they don't take the trains themselves? That is being subjective and for obviously selfish reasons.
Mind sharing what selfish reason you are refering to?



What do you think of the spot east and west, and on the north side of the present KTM station at Subang Jaya? There is quite a large piece of vacant land there, undeveloped (as far as visible).

You can take a drive now and see North of Subang Jaya KTM how many new houses are build. For east and west, i read sime darby oledi plan to turn it into SJCC, gonna be high density there.

[pucman]

Obviously the trains can be undercapacity during non-peak hours, and overloaded during peak hours.


It's the peak hours (going to and fro work place) that is important and that's the time that the roads are jam too. One of the purpose of public transport is to relieve the jam on the roads or else it serves no purpose as the charge (LRT charge + parking charge) is not cheap too for poor people.

[ivanhow]

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From your map, there is a KTM station called Setia Jaya next to sunway. If this area is big enough to handle the kelana jaya and sri petaling line. Then this is the best place as it is nearest to both LRT lines. Furthermore, it is at the interchange of the LDP and Federal highway with already has an extensive network of buses, taxis flowing through it.



If this site is not big enough, then there's no choice but to build the interchange at subang jaya KTM at a higher cost.

The Subang Jaya KTM doesn't lie next to LDP which will make transferring to the north (bandar utama) and south (putrajaya) much easier.

Either one can be a good one as long as there is sufficient space/land for the interchange. It has to house the bus interchange as well which will serve all the surrounding townships such as Sunway, Puchong, SJ/USJ, Putra Heights and areas not served by the LRT.

The proposed interchange at USJ25 is also not a bad spot either, as there is ample land there, but it is a bit off central at this juncture tho. Even so, that present location needs to have the main roads expanded, and probably the LDP toll removed as well.

Still it makes more sense to have the interchange along the KTM which will serve well for inter-city (Klang/ShahAlam) travel on the south-western part of the 'Greater KL', and ease travel for ppl from the south/east to reach places served by the Ampang-Sentul-SriPetaling Line, and also the Kelana-Gombak Line.

If it (the KTM SJ) serves as an interchange for the extended Kelana-Gombak Line, then the K-G line should also meet the Sri Petaling Line somewhere, perhaps USJ25 (interchange) which seems to be what is on the drawing board. Problem with this arrangement is that commuters from Klang/ShahAlam wishing to get onto the Sri-Petaling Line will have to hop twice (on three lines). Ideally, the two LRT lines should interchange at a KTM location.

[pucman]

The proposed interchange at USJ25 is also not a bad spot either,

I have to disagree with this,
The currently proposed interchange at USJ 25 is a bad choice for the following reasons:

1. It is not integrated with KTM.(most important reason)

2. It makes both the kelana jaya and sri petaling line too long as an intracity line. This makes the frequency of train lower due to the longer distance that each train must travel from one end point to the next.

3. If someone from puchong jaya wants to go to kelana jaya (or north), it would be a waste of time to travel through the south of puchong and all of usj before heading north.

4. Similarly if someone from subang jaya would want to go to bukit jalil/cheras, he wouldn't want to go to all of USJ and south of puchong before going up north to reach puchong jaya (a big u-turn).

Conclusion:

So the best spot is still either the KTM station at sunway or Subang. The KTM station at sunway is still the best, as it is already geographically an intersection between east and west (federal highway, NPE, KESAS) and north and south (LDP). Subang KTM doesn't have this geographical advantage.

As to the location of the LRT stations stops, they should be located almost at a straight line path between sri petaling to Sunway KTM, between kelana jaya to sunway KTM. The reason is to decrease the travelling time. Another criteria to consider is the location of shopping malls/commercial centers along the path.

The distance from Subang KTM to Sunway KTM is only 5 minutes, so either one is still acceptable. The criteria to choose either stations should then be based on the larger size of empty land for both lines to intersect.

The size of the car park is very important as lack of it will discourage people from using the LRT.

[ivanhow]

...You can take a drive now and see North of Subang Jaya KTM how many new houses are build. For east and west, i read sime darby oledi plan to turn it into SJCC, gonna be high density there.Hi cfloo :) , There ain't any houses on the North side. Not sure whether the North side (of KTM line) belongs to Sime UEP. Unlikely to be owned by Sime UEP, as it is situated next to the Fed H'way, and on the other side of the railway track.

However, the adjacent land on the South side has no existing structures, and is possible and most probably owned by Sime UEP. May not be suitable for hourses either, perhaps high rise Appartments, and perhaps a 'city center' such as what you mentioned, SJCC - is it SJ City Center?

There is also an empty land on the North side of the Fed H'way.

[ivanhow]

I have to disagree with this,
The currently proposed interchange at USJ 25 is a bad choice for the following reasons:

1. It is not integrated with KTM.(most important reason)

2. It makes both the kelana jaya and sri petaling line too long as an intracity line. This makes the frequency of train lower due to the longer distance that each train must travel from one end point to the next.

3. If someone from puchong jaya wants to go to kelana jaya (or north), it would be a waste of time to travel through the south of puchong and all of usj before heading north.

4. Similarly if someone from subang jaya would want to go to bukit jalil/cheras, he wouldn't want to go to all of USJ and south of puchong before going up north to reach puchong jaya (a big u-turn).

Conclusion:

So the best spot is still either the KTM station at sunway or Subang. The KTM station at sunway is still the best, as it is already geographically an intersection between east and west (federal highway, NPE, KESAS) and north and south (LDP). Subang KTM doesn't have this geographical advantage.

As to the location of the LRT stations stops, they should be located almost at a straight line path between sri petaling to Sunway KTM, between kelana jaya to sunway KTM. The reason is to decrease the travelling time. Another criteria to consider is the location of shopping malls/commercial centers along the path.

The distance from Subang KTM to Sunway KTM is only 5 minutes, so either one is still acceptable. The criteria to choose either stations should then be based on the larger size of empty land for both lines to intersect.

The size of the car park is very important as lack of it will discourage people from using the LRT.Hi pucman :) , all valid points. Land being a major factor, will then decide where along the KTM line would be a suitable location.

If land is still a concern, there might still be a vacant land next to the Shah Alam Toll, although it might be further away from the LDP (and certainly from Puchong Jaya :eek:?). But, it is still accessible via the Fed H'way and the NPE, not really that far from LDP (via NPE). Believe adding a station along the KTM line may not be terribly difficult.


http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/usjtraffic/VacantLandalongKTMLine.jpg

Cheers!
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[pucman]

Hi pucman :) , all valid points. Land being a major factor, will then decide where along the KTM line would be a suitable location.
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That shah alam ktm is too far !

Remember that the interchange must be accessible to all the taxis and buses to reach. And also we have to reduce the travelling time and increase the frequency of the trains.

The only viable solution is one of the KTM stations from subang jaya to PJ. The center point being the LDP.(5 mins drive radius from LDP)

If there's not enough space for car park, then we just have to make it into another masjid jamek ie. interchange between kelana jaya and sri petaling line (but without extensive car park). No choice....

I know that the subang KTM already has a car park and there are tons of car park inside carrefour. So this is a good spot provided it can accomodate two more stations within walking distance.

I am not sure about the other KTM stations near LDP towards PJ side. Maybe someone can comment on it because I hardly take KTM.

[pucman]

This solution will also solve the problems for shah alam and klang folks travelling on KTM.

They can stop at either (subang or sunway) KTM interchange and change to kelana jaya line (if they want to go to KLCC) or sri petaling line (if they want to go to cheras) depending on their destination.

By the way, the bandar tasik selatan (along the sri petaling line) is the interchange for the putrajaya and KLIA express train. So now we have a comprehensive interlinked network of trains without the commuters from klang/shah alam taking any buses (and the accompanying road jams) once they hop on a train.

Best of all, klang, shah alam, subang and puchong folks won't have to pay exorbitant taxi fares to KLIA. (Hope no taxi drivers are reading this ...).

Subang folks (USJ 1 - USJ 27, PUTRA HEIGHTS) can either have their own dedicated monorail or express bus to connect to the interchange KTM station. Same as puchong folks (Puchong utama, puchong puteri etc).

What do you guys think ? A good solution ? Remember to give me a treat to a good chinese restaurant if it works. ha...ha...

[AllUrban]

Finally, appoint someone who is objective and reasonable to head the committee.

Eg. I took the sri petaling line to work everyday last year and related a bad incident there due to the horrendous jam packed train during peak hours .

And yet somebody still quote the trains as 'undercapacity' when they don't take the trains themselves? That is being subjective and for obviously selfish reasons. Hey Pucman, if you have something to say, just say it directly instead of beating around the bush. :rolleyes:

The quote of "undercapacity" came directly from the CEO of Prasarana, he resigned back in September tho. You can send your displeasure to the rapidkl CEO, Suffian Baharuddin, anytime you like. His email is suffian@rapidkl.com.my

Cheers, m

[AllUrban]

Hi pucman :) , all valid points. Land being a major factor, will then decide where along the KTM line would be a suitable location.

If land is still a concern, there might still be a vacant land next to the Shah Alam Toll, although it might be further away from the LDP (and certainly from Puchong Jaya :eek:?). But, it is still accessible via the Fed H'way and the NPE, not really that far from LDP (via NPE). Believe adding a station along the KTM line may not be terribly difficult.


http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/usjtraffic/VacantLandalongKTMLine.jpg

Cheers!
..nice thought...actually, this would be a good site for an interchange as well...can bring both LRT to this point and build another KTM station or move the Batu Tiga station eastwards...

Another thing to consider is that there are the express highways (ELITE, NKVE, Federal) nearby so there is an option for intercity bus service, inter-airport bus service, Subang Airport Express rail etc..

That shah alam ktm is too far !

Remember that the interchange must be accessible to all the taxis and buses to reach. And also we have to reduce the travelling time and increase the frequency of the trains.

The only viable solution is one of the KTM stations from subang jaya to PJ. The center point being the LDP.(5 mins drive radius from LDP)

If there's not enough space for car park, then we just have to make it into another masjid jamek ie. interchange between kelana jaya and sri petaling line (but without extensive car park). No choice....

I know that the subang KTM already has a car park and there are tons of car park inside carrefour. So this is a good spot provided it can accomodate two more stations within walking distance.

I am not sure about the other KTM stations near LDP towards PJ side. Maybe someone can comment on it because I hardly take KTM.There are is only a station at Seri Setia (off Old Klang Road) and then the next station is Kampung Dato Harun in PJS2.

I think that the Batu Tiga area has the space needed for a public transport interchange.

Another thought ... if the Batu Tiga Toll Plaza can be closed, some of the space there can be used for a bus terminal or construction of the interchange.

Cheers, m

[pucman]

There are is only a station at Seri Setia (off Old Klang Road) and then the next station is Kampung Dato Harun in PJS2.


Setia jaya, seri setia, subang ktm are all good candidates for an interchange as it lies near to the densely populated LDP. This will benefit a lot of people who can go to the interchange by car, walking, taxis, buses, drop-off.

Another solution could be moving the KTM between subang KTM and seri setia KTM to a bigger space. But I doubt they would do that as there are high costs involved.

Any other KTMs (shah alam) would lie too far, too inconvenient and increases the travelling time for the both the LRT lines.

[pucman]

The quote of "undercapacity" came directly from the CEO of Prasarana, Cheers, m

That reminds me of our PM pak lah who only realises how terrible our public transportation is when he took the train himself during peak hours.

[clfoo]

Hi cfloo :) , There ain't any houses on the North side. Not sure whether the North side (of KTM line) belongs to Sime UEP. Unlikely to be owned by Sime UEP, as it is situated next to the Fed H'way, and on the other side of the railway track.

However, the adjacent land on the South side has no existing structures, and is possible and most probably owned by Sime UEP. May not be suitable for hourses either, perhaps high rise Appartments, and perhaps a 'city center' such as what you mentioned, SJCC - is it SJ City Center?

There is also an empty land on the North side of the Fed H'way.

Question: Have you really took a drive there or just sit in front of PC looking at google map? That piece of land under big cable, few rows of 2.5 storeys new houses xxx saujana xxx are not what you can see?



here is the plan for SJCC
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/business/16694-sime-darby-to-give-subang-jaya-a-city-centre-

[ivanhow]

Question: Have you really took a drive there or just sit in front of PC looking at google map? That piece of land under big cable, few rows of 2.5 storeys new houses xxx saujana xxx are not what you can see?



here is the plan for SJCC
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/business/16694-sime-darby-to-give-subang-jaya-a-city-centre-Hi cfloo :) , I have been there few times, only that it was not as clear what the usage plan was. I believe the 2+1/2 houses you refering to are situated north of the Fed H'way, and not on the same side of the H'way as the KTM station. It isn't a bad idea tho to have the station for LRT (and a bus interchange) across the Fed H'way with underground tunnel to connect to the KTM. If that land is available, it could be possible to utlize that area too. Notice the lush greenary on the east side of the housing development and the transmission lines.

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/usjtraffic/Img_7604.jpg

This is just another possibility if the land there is available.

However, if you are also refering to the strip of land between KTM and Carrefour e-Tiara stretch, then yes, there is a narrow strip of land that stretches from the power substation (just outside KTM station) eastwards towards the perodua 2nd hand car sales yard. That stretch might be what you have mentioned, the SJCC to be developed by Sime UEP.

Well, considering the propect of the LRT coming into Subang Jaya via this route, Sime UEP being the owner of the land, might have already planned how to capitalise on that already - thus the SJCC. The developers, the land owners, the land office and the local have to work hand-in-hand on the development plans to bring value and increase the revenue of the state and the owners. Unless the gov is willing to acquire the land there from the owners at a premium.

Thanks pucman, for the link to the write-up of the SJCC. We still don't really know the exact location tho although it is mentioned between KTM and Carrefour. It can be west side or the east side of KTM. East side being the strip of land I mentioned above. Already some development on the West side going on now.

[AllUrban]

Setia jaya, seri setia, subang ktm are all good candidates for an interchange as it lies near to the densely populated LDP. This will benefit a lot of people who can go to the interchange by car, walking, taxis, buses, drop-off.

Another solution could be moving the KTM between subang KTM and seri setia KTM to a bigger space. But I doubt they would do that as there are high costs involved.

Any other KTMs (shah alam) would lie too far, too inconvenient and increases the travelling time for the both the LRT lines.Batu Tiga KTM station is approximately 4 minutes west of Subang Jaya KTM station.

An interchange station would be somewhere in between, closer to the Batu Tiga Toll Plaza...perhaps 2 minutes away from the Subang Jaya KTM station.

By the way, the LDP area of SS9 is about to get even more densely populated since the MBPJ is talking about a redevelopment of the old Matsu****a factory site at the corner of LDP and Federal Highway (http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/2/16/central/3257583&sec=central).


The 7.95ha of land has been taken out of the free trade zone and the status of the land changed for commercial use.

The proposed development submitted to the Petaling Jaya City Council (MBPJ) includes three blocks of 17-storey serviced apartments, a 16-storey hotel with banquet hall, five blocks of 25- to 31-storey offices, a 20-storey Small Office Home Office (SOHO) block, 18 units of 3½-storey showrooms and 80 units of 4½-storey shop lots.

A development of this density at the junction of the LDP and the Federal Highway could add to the massive traffic jams experienced not only by PJ residents but road users from places like Puchong and Shah Alam.

According to private traffic planning consultant Goh Bok Yen, the development had a sizeable density that could see an additional 63,000 cars per day.

Maybe you should write to the papers with your idea about extending the Kelana Jaya LRT along the LDP line...this site would be good for a station along the Kelana Jaya LRT extension. This proposal would bypass Subang Jaya but would serve Sunway and USJ.


Cheers, m

[ivanhow]

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Any other KTMs (shah alam) would lie too far, too inconvenient and increases the travelling time for the both the LRT lines.Hi pucman :) ,
On a positive note, it may not be too bad considering that it can be access from F1 or Fed H'way (just before the Toll Plaza). The exit can be via the F1 in SJ with a bridge over KTM line, or via Batu Tiga via a bridge over (or tunnel under) the Fed H'way to Batu Tiga (towards Giant and Tesco Extra) side of the Fed H'way. Accessible from Kesas (SAE) too as mentioned by AllUrban after passing the Subang Jaya toll if coming from Puchong Jaya via Kesas instead of Sunway tho :D. But, this will not auger well for Sime UEP's SJCC project in the pipeline.

[AllUrban]

Well, considering the propect of the LRT coming into Subang Jaya via this route, Sime UEP being the owner of the land, might have already planned how to capitalise on that already - thus the SJCC. the plan is for SJCC to be built on the narrow strip to the east of the KTM station in Subang Jaya as well as above the KTM station.

The proposal from Sime Darby is to have the LRT built on top of the KTM station - but this is unlikely to move forward because it will affect the KTM station for a long time with the construction.

Prasarana's proposal is to have the LRT station across the federal highway - which is also not the best idea.

I think that now is the time to present ideas with advantages (benefits) and disadvantages (costs) clearly listed ... so that the people of Subang Jaya can decide what works the best for them.

Cheers, m

[clfoo]

the plan is for SJCC to be built on the narrow strip to the east of the KTM station in Subang Jaya as well as above the KTM station.

The proposal from Sime Darby is to have the LRT built on top of the KTM station - but this is unlikely to move forward because it will affect the KTM station for a long time with the construction.

I think that can be done. Remember before KL sentral was up the KTM also made to pass thru the under construction structure.

Having LRT on top of KTM is a feasible solution, they can also build a multi-storeys car park on the existing parking lot. Now next question is whether the LRT should pass thru Sunway or SJ before coming into USJ, I prefer Sunway.

[pucman]

Having LRT on top of KTM is a feasible solution, they can also build a multi-storeys car park on the existing parking lot. Now next question is whether the LRT should pass thru Sunway or SJ before coming into USJ, I prefer Sunway.

Having LRT on top of KTM is a good solution if land is a problem. They can use the same design as KL sentral.

The LRT is not going to USJ because it will take the trips unnecessary long for other users. I thought I listed out the criteria for a good LRT line in my previous posts. The two lines should be as short as possible to meet each other.

[pucman]

Hi pucman :) ,
Accessible from Kesas (SAE) too as mentioned by AllUrban after passing the Subang Jaya toll if coming from Puchong Jaya via Kesas instead of Sunway tho :D. But, this will not auger well for Sime UEP's SJCC project in the pipeline.

I have to disagree. It is too far from the 'center' which is LDP ie. exceeds 5 mins drive. This will make the sri petaling line much longer to reach the interchange which will increase travelling time, decrease frequency of trains etc.

Subang Jaya is not the center , you've got to understand that LDP is the center as there are more people living and working along the LDP than subang as it is nearer to KL and a main artery for PJ folks. Look at the volume of cars daily along the route and you'll understand.

Furthermore, if you have to pass through subang jaya toll, less people will use public transport. NPE doesn't reach the shah alam KTM too. Whereas NPE do reach subang jaya ktm.

Advantage of having interchange at subang jaya KTM is:

1. The line serves the very important and densely populated college hub in SS15

This can be either the kelana jaya line or sri petaling line depending on which line reaches here in the shortest distance.

2. The line serves the very important commercial area like sunway pyramid, lagoon, monash university etc.

In order for the sri petaling line to reach subang jaya KTM, it has to pass through sunway from the south anyway. IOI mall is definitely one of the stops, From IOI mall, it would have to go through sunway to reach either the (subang jaya or sunway) KTM.

[AllUrban]

Having LRT on top of KTM is a good solution if land is a problem. They can use the same design as KL sentral.. Building the LRT on top of the KTM will cost more money. Money is not unlimited. Our money should not be wasted.

The LRT is not going to USJ because it will take the trips unnecessary long for other users. I thought I listed out the criteria for a good LRT line in my previous posts. The two lines should be as short as possible to meet each other...You listed your criteria, not the government or Prasarana's criteria. Perhaps it is not even the criteria for passengers.

As for the LRT lines meeting - why do they have to meet each other? I can understand the need to have 2 different modes of transport (e.g. KTM and LRT or LRT and bus) meeting each other...but why do 2 LRT lines have to meet in the suburban areas? What is the real advantage of these lines meeting. Do the benefits of extending these lines so they can meet exceed the costs?

Also, we have to consider that the Kelana Jaya LRT is seriously over capacity. Even 4 carriage trains are going to be full during peak hours and demand is only going to grow over the years as SJ, PJ and KL develop further.

I would rather have money spent on expanding the LRT so it can hold 8-carriage trains than spending the money on a short extension that is just going to pack more people onto an already packed train.

And from what I have heard, RapidKL wants to extend the kelana jaya LRT to Subang Jaya, no further.

My view is similar - I think that we do not need the extension of the Kelana Jaya LRT to USJ...but there is some value to a station at Subang Jaya (as pucman mentioned).

There is also value to extending the LRT beyond Subang Jaya over to Batu Tiga (which is only technically in Shah Alam) near the toll plaza. This would facilitate bus and taxi interchange as well as drop off.

If the terminal is designed with access from before the toll plaza, then people who drive can have the option of driving their car to KL or turning off and taking public transport. Also, people can send others to the station without paying toll. Also, bus operators can operate more frequent services.

it is good to point out that the LDP is a central corridor but it is a highway corridor, not a public transport corridor. Public transport and highways do not have to share the same corridor. Often it is more effective and efficient to keep them separate.

Now would be a good time to summarize the discussion as it has come about.

Cheers, m

[pucman]

Building the LRT on top of the KTM will cost more money. Money is not unlimited. Our money should not be wasted.
You listed your criteria, not the government or Prasarana's criteria. Perhaps it is not even the criteria for passengers.



Money is not unlimited but it is not too costly to build one if the benefits exceed the cost in the long run just like the KL sentral case. If everyone thought like you, there won't be a kl sentral built at bangsar area.

Why is it not a good criteria ? List your OBJECTIVE criteria for all to see then. The government's money is the citizen's contribution. They serve the citizen and not the other way around. This is what I know from other developed countries.

So far I have only seen SUBJECTIVE arguments from you whereas ivanhoe and others are more open-minded. If you're adamant on having a KTM at shah alam, then why open up this thread in the first place ?

Everybody here knows that LDP is the ONLY main and most important artery connecting KL, PJ, subang, puchong, putrajaya folks (north and south) and you're arguing against this case ? It is just like arguing that bangsar is not the center of KL. Then can we build the Kl sentral in kajang instead where there's lots of land and minimal cost ?

Next thing you will say is that the sri petaling line is undercapacity when I nearly died in that train without somebody giving up their seat for me ?

From all your postings so far, it goes to show that you have never driven a car inside malaysia and always quote the road conditions in canada/usa. You're apparently not a malaysian who understands the different mentality of our bus drivers and car drivers.

I am out of this arguments/thread and you can give your opinions to prasana and you can then publish in the star newspaper you 'represent' the thoughts of most puchong, subang folks NOT.


This is my LAST POST in this thread.

[AllUrban]

Money is not unlimited but it is not too costly to build one if the benefits exceed the cost in the long run just like the KL sentral case. If everyone thought like you, there won't be a kl sentral built at bangsar area.

Why is it not a good criteria ? List your OBJECTIVE criteria for all to see then. The government's money is the citizen's contribution. They serve the citizen and not the other way around. This is what I know from other developed countries.

So far I have only seen SUBJECTIVE arguments from you whereas ivanhoe and others are more open-minded. If you're adamant on having a KTM at shah alam, then why open up this thread in the first place ?

Everybody here knows that LDP is the ONLY main and most important artery connecting KL, PJ, subang, puchong, putrajaya folks (north and south) and you're arguing against this case ? It is just like arguing that bangsar is not the center of KL. Then can we build the Kl sentral in kajang instead where there's lots of land and minimal cost ?

Next thing you will say is that the sri petaling line is undercapacity when I nearly died in that train without somebody giving up their seat for me ?

From all your postings so far, it goes to show that you have never driven a car inside malaysia and always quote the road conditions in canada/usa. You're apparently not a malaysian who understands the different mentality of our bus drivers and car drivers.

I am out of this arguments/thread and you can give your opinions to prasana and you can then publish in the star newspaper you 'represent' the thoughts of most puchong, subang folks NOT.


This is my LAST POST in this thread.Decisions for the use of money has to be based on research, note assumptions based on no research and little knowledge.

The government has made a huge error in assuming that the views of the public are not important - and many of the public have made a huge error in assuming that they are not part of the planning process.

But to address your points:

1. Building public transport that is greater than what is needed is a sure way to waste money. There is no real evidence from research to show that an LRT is needed to pass through Subang Jaya. RapidKL themselves do not agree with the extension to USJ and no one from Prasarana or RapidKL has mentioned an extension along the LDP corridor.

As for KL Sentral, it is in Brickfields, not Bangsar. The reason it was built there was because it was the site of the KTM workers quarters. It was built in the wrong place overall (for example, it has no intercity bus terminal) and the site of MidValley would have been a better site overall.

2. Criteria that are objective:

lowest cost/km
passenger capacity
efficiency (# passengers/km)
local benefits
size of Transit Planning Zone
Options for Transit Oriented Development

3. Subjective arguments - what is your view based on? Your personal opinions? Your dislike for me? I make no apologies for my arguments. You may describe them as "subjective" arguments but they are based on 7 years of research in public transport and 25 years of using public transport.

I have no personal gain from the LRT because I will never ride it - I will be back in Canada long before it is built. I have no opportunity for financial gain from the project and I dont even own any property in Malaysia that could appreciate.

Can it be more objective than that?

I am not adamant about "having a KTM at Shah Alam". I was talking about building an interchange of KTM, Bus, and LRT at Batu Tiga which is close to Subang Jaya.

4. The LDP is an important HIGHWAY artery but it is not the only one. Besides, public transport is not the same as a highway. Building an LRT above or around a highway is not the best way because you are duplicating service.

Also, the area around the LDP is extremely dense. Building an LRT along the LDP will push the costs up higher.

For your information, the government is replacing Puduraya with 3 Integrated Transport Terminals, in Bandar Tasik Selatan (under construction), Gombak, and Sg. Buloh. There is a proposal for a 4th ITT in BATU TIGA.

The reasons for the locations of the proposed ITT is because of railway and LRT and highway access. KL Sentral is ineffective as an ITT because it has lots of railway access but poor bus access.

5. I did not say that the Seri Petaling line was undercapacity. I merely repeated what the CEO of Prasarana has said on more than one occasion.

The selfishness of other passengers refusing to offer you a seat is very sad...but that is not the issue here. I am sorry you had a bad experience on the Seri Petaling LRT. Imagine that you had been on the Kelana Jaya LRT which is 50% overcapacity during peak hours. You not only would not be able to get a seat - you would not be able to breathe...and that is in the station, not the train. The train is even worse.

6. I am a licensed driver in Malaysia and I have driven a car here for 4 years. I also have a motorcycle...and I take the bus and the LRT and KTM regularly. The excuse of "Malaysian mentality" is pointless. Behaviour can and does change.

The fact that I am from Canada and therefore "not Malaysian" is also irrelevant. I am residing in Malaysia legally, and contributing positively to Malaysian society by educating your youth...and I can stay for a further 5 years if I wished.

7. I never claimed that my views reflect the majority of people from SJ or Puchong. The views I present represent 7 years of research and my experience as a driver, motorcyclist and public transport user.

I am sorry that you fail to understand these factors and refuse to look beyond your own personal opinions. Thank you for your contributions to the thread thus far and I hope that you will reconsider.

KWChang, perhaps you as the objective moderator could step in and summarize the discussion so far so that something can be presented at the upcoming public consultation.

Cheers, m

[clfoo]

Building the LRT on top of the KTM will cost more money. Money is not unlimited. Our money should not be wasted.

It may not be more costly, the fact that sime darby wanna talk to Prasarana means they willing to collaborate, sime darby can help to build the building Prasarana just built the rail, by doing so it also helps to increase SJCC values many fold.
If the story about sunway lobbying hard for LRT to enter their vicinity was true then it can also lead them to chip in part of the construction cost, so the cost increase should be able to mitigate unless there are other 'leakage'.

[ivanhow]

Hi pucman & AllUrban :) , Both of you have good and valid points. Let's not argue as to whose points are more valid. Let's raise the points here, and let others also to give their inputs. Sometimes we dun see what others can see. It wud be good to meet up and discuss, rather than to argue.

I like to bring up an example from our neighbor down south. See the network, and then perhaps try and comment on the lines as to why it was as such. See what lessons we can learn from them, and what good points we can assimilate.

Note that the NEL is the latest addition, while the N-S and the E-W lines were the earlier lines. Work started on the Singapore MRT lines in the late 1980s.
Note that there are two stations (Raffles Place and City Hall) which are MRT Interchange, from the very beginning. These two stations were purely to facilitate transfer from one line to another, and does not have bus interchange at these stations itself (within the city).

Bus Interchanges are at the town centers such as AngMoKio, Clementi, Bishan, Woodlands and the terminal-points. These towns are also population centers outside of the City proper (Business District).

Later the North-South lines joined to the East-West lines at the Jurong-East Interchange (which also houses a large bus terminal). Jurong East is also a large population center. Ppl use the MRT primarily for travelling to/from work, event-centers, schools/colleges/univ, and perhaps recreation and also week-end shopping. Ppl travel mainly from the towns into the city (for work/shopping and events) and to other towns for work and other reasons.

These reasons apply equally to our scenario - can't be very different.

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The BP (Bukit Panjang) loop is a monorail loop of low speed/low capacity. I have take a ride on this loop. Believe the PE/PW and the SE/SW loops are about the same (have not tried yet).

[ivanhow]

The MRT does not have interchange with the Malaysian Railways (KTM) for obvious reasons.
1) When it was built, KTM's immigration point is at the southern tip at Tanjong Pagar.
2) KTM is Malaysian owned, while MRT Singapore owned.

Another point, ppl taking Rail from Malaysia to Singapore (Tanjong Pagar) with luggage, will have to pull the luggage on the roads into the MRT station at Tanjong Pagar (not integrated) for the reason above.

This is probably the only difference about the KTM line we have in the Klang Valley.

It's good to have a station or two that is integrated to the KTM to facilitate travel using the Kelana Line or the SriPetaling Line, although both need not be on the same spot but can be over two different spots. Example, SriPetaling Line may intersect the KTM line at Sunway, while Kelana Line may intersect the KTM line at S.Jaya or S.Alam.

But, it makes more sense to intersect at the same station for the primary reason below:
- Ppl travelling from Kelana Jaya Line to the Sri Petaling Line will only need to make one hop if both these lines intersect.
- Otherwise (if on different spots) ppl will have to hop twice (once to the KTM Line, and then to the other line.

The travel/waiting time increases tremendously by adding this (KTM) segment into the journey.

Cheers!

[ivanhow]

...
This is my LAST POST in this thread.
Hope you will continue to pen your points here. No doubt we may not agree fully with others. Helping others see your points is more important.

[AllUrban]

The travel/waiting time increases tremendously by adding this (KTM) segment into the journey.

Cheers!a transfer from LRT to LRT adds approximately 10 minutes to a journey. A transfer to KTM would add more time because the frequency of KTM is very low.

But the frequency of KTM Komuter can be improved - they just have to buy more electric trains and shift the freight trains out so they arent competing for track time.

Cheers, m

[ivanhow]

...

I am not adamant about "having a KTM at Shah Alam". I was talking about building an interchange of KTM, Bus, and LRT at Batu Tiga which is close to Subang Jaya..

Cheers, m

I wish there is sufficient survey done on the commutting community. I had an opportunity to talk to an Indian girl who was sitting at the Shah Alam KTM station recently. Asked whether she uses the KTM daily, she said "Yes". She said, "I stay in Rawang", and uses the KTM to college in Shah Alam daily, stopping at the Shah Alam KTM station, and then take a cab to the college. This is just one off the thousands of communters of KTM daily. Of course, this is not to say everyone travelling on the KTM comes from Rawang to Shah Alam. Neither will it be all communters from Klang go to Sungei Buloh to work.
It only shows that rail transport is still an important part of inter-city travel... ie travelling from one developing suburb to another.

Hence, it is not uncommon for some Klang dwellers to travel daily to Ampang to work (and I knew of a person who does that daily). So, anything can happen, someone from Kelang or Shah Alam might work in Cheras or Gombak. Someone from Cheras might go to Shah Alam daily.

Hence, the KTM is still an important part of the mass transportation infrastructure. And to intersect the LRT (or MRT) with the KTM makes a lot of sense. It's only "over which station or which two of the stations". In view of the large piece of land near to the Shah Alam toll, it is an advantage, and having a Bus Terminal there will be an added advantage to bring in and disperse travellers in and around the region. It is also good to have the LRT (/ MRT) pass SJ and/or Sunway KTM. That will depend very much on the available land, and objections from the local community, as well as project sponsors such as developers willing to chip in to develop the facility. Having a good convenient facility in the viscinity of the Interchange is an important ingredient to encourage public transport usage of the Interchange. Lack of parking space, and traffic dispersion mechanism will bring hazard and havoc to the cramped interchange and will not encourage public transport usage.

Buses from Shah Alam can integrate with Subang Jaya, and Sunway to enhance and complement the public transportation system. Likewise buses plying between KTM SJ and USJ/Sunway can be enhanced even further (hopefully).

Perhaps, the SriPetaling and the Kelana Lines should not be extended but, a new line be built to serve the south-western corridor of the Klang Valley, such as passing through the Kelana Jaya Line, and the KTM line at some one or two stations, and then linking to the Sri Petaling Line at some point, and serving a larger area beyond Kelana Jaya, and Sri Petaling. This line should not be built along the similar concept of Light Rail Transit, but of Mass Rapid Transit where larger volumes of traffic can be expected. Extending the Kelana Lines and the Sri Petaling Lines may overload it's designed capacity. and over-stress it's intended loading capacity.

These are just some food for thot.
Cheers!

[ivanhow]

Hello M, when will the next TRANSIT meeting be held, and where? Perhaps you can invite some ppl from Sunway, Puchong, Subang Jaya/ USJ and Putra Heights to attend. Before that, perhaps my suggestion is to have these ppl get together and have a discussion, and also a brainstorming session on the proposals, objections, criteria, wishes of the ppl, etc... etc.

May I ask if KW is willing to organise this event? Have a meeting this Sunday 3pm to 5pm somewhere at 3K? Any objections?

[AllUrban]

Hello M, when will the next TRANSIT meeting be held, and where? Perhaps you can invite some ppl from Sunway, Puchong, Subang Jaya/ USJ and Putra Heights to attend. Before that, perhaps my suggestion is to have these ppl get together and have a discussion, and also a brainstorming session on the proposals, objections, criteria, wishes of the ppl, etc... etc.

May I ask if KW is willing to organise this event? Have a meeting this Sunday 3pm to 5pm somewhere at 3K? Any objections?TRANSIT's next scheduled meeting is this saturday the 21st, at 2pm in Brickfields, KL as posted at our website (http://transitmy.org/administration/)

everyone is welcome to attend the TRANSIT meeting on the 21st.

We can also have an ad hoc meeting focusing on Subang Jaya at another time if there is any interest or request from others.

Brainstorming is a good idea but what we really need is data - MPSJ or the ADUN or MP or MITRANS should be conducting surveys and analyzing density and land use patterns and transport patterns.

Prasarana did a survey about 2 years ago but the results were never made public - even tho there have been numerous requests.

To see the government announce extensions when they do not even have an integrated plan - and are not ready to share any data - is highly disappointing.

Cheers, m

[ivanhow]

TRANSIT's next scheduled meeting is this saturday the 21st, at 2pm in Brickfields, KL as posted at our website (http://transitmy.org/administration/)

everyone is welcome to attend the TRANSIT meeting on the 21st.

We can also have an ad hoc meeting focusing on Subang Jaya at another time if there is any interest or request from others.

Brainstorming is a good idea but what we really need is data - MPSJ or the ADUN or MP or MITRANS should be conducting surveys and analyzing density and land use patterns and transport patterns.

Prasarana did a survey about 2 years ago but the results were never made public - even tho there have been numerous requests.

To see the government announce extensions when they do not even have an integrated plan - and are not ready to share any data - is highly disappointing.

Cheers, mIf it is this Saturday, may not be able to meet before the meeting. Will go there right away, and hear/listen in to what is being discussed.

May I suggest ppl who have been discussing on this thread to attend the meeting? Maybe we should take the KTM to KL Sentral, walk over the Centre for Pranayoga and Self-Transformation at Wisma Sri Krishna.
Hope to see you there. And, hope you see us there too. :)

BTW, are you the organiser of this meeting? What can we expect to learn about in this meeting? May I know who is TRANSIT really representing?

We still can have meeting on Sunday (after the TRANSIT meeting on Sat), to discuss on how the participants can contribute towards a more balanced and a more well-planned rail transit infrastructure, rather than wait for the gov to throw the plan at the users and ppl are affected by it. What say u? 2 heads better than 1, but three does not spoil the soup.

Cheers!

[AllUrban]

May I suggest ppl who have been discussing on this thread to attend the meeting? Maybe we should take the KTM to KL Sentral, walk over the Centre for Pranayoga and Self-Transformation at Wisma Sri Krishna.
Hope to see you there. And, hope you see us there too. :)

BTW, are you the organiser of this meeting? What can we expect to learn about in this meeting? May I know who is TRANSIT really representing?

We still can have meeting on Sunday (after the TRANSIT meeting on Sat), to discuss on how the participants can contribute towards a more balanced and a more well-planned rail transit infrastructure, rather than wait for the gov to throw the plan at the users and ppl are affected by it. What say u? 2 heads better than 1, but three does not spoil the soup.

Cheers!Hi Ivanhow. Looking forward to see you on Saturday. I will be chairing the meeting and I am one of the organizers of the group.

To answer your questions about TRANSIT, there is always the information on our webpage, About TRANSIT (http://transitmy.org/about/)/Menengai TRANSIT (http://transitmy.org/mengenai-transit/)

Who do we really represent? We are a collective of voices. We are a small group of people with diverse interests and activities. Members are drivers, bicycle users, pedestrians and public transport users of various races, ages, backgrounds, abilities.

We have a lot of ideas and enthusiasm but we are short on bodies...so we are always welcoming new ideas and inspiration and people.

Our monthly meetings are often just a recap of the activities that we are doing such as discussion with the government & civil service, attending meetings with civil society groups & universities, publishing articles, doing research, and designing proposals.

We have a few long term overall plans for a series of interim improvements to public transport - things that can be completed in 1-2 years and 4-5 years...as well as really long term ideas.

Our goal is to bring frequent, convenient, reliable public transport and rapid transit to more people to help improve their quality of life.

We also want to work with government, the civil service, universities, local councils and residents groups to increase awareness of public transport, discuss issues, improve services, and ensure that promises are kept.

I hope that is a good answer to your question.

As for the meeting on Sunday, it might be good to do that earlier on Sunday. I have not got a confirmed date for the proposed meeting in Subang Jaya.

Cheers, m

[ivanhow]

Hi Ivanhow. Looking forward to see you on Saturday. I will be chairing the meeting and I am one of the organizers of the group.

To answer your questions about TRANSIT, there is always the information on our webpage, About TRANSIT (http://transitmy.org/about/)/Menengai TRANSIT (http://transitmy.org/mengenai-transit/)

Who do we really represent? We are a collective of voices. We are a small group of people with diverse interests and activities. Members are drivers, bicycle users, pedestrians and public transport users of various races, ages, backgrounds, abilities.

We have a lot of ideas and enthusiasm but we are short on bodies...so we are always welcoming new ideas and inspiration and people.

Our monthly meetings are often just a recap of the activities that we are doing such as discussion with the government & civil service, attending meetings with civil society groups & universities, publishing articles, doing research, and designing proposals.

We have a few long term overall plans for a series of interim improvements to public transport - things that can be completed in 1-2 years and 4-5 years...as well as really long term ideas.

Our goal is to bring frequent, convenient, reliable public transport and rapid transit to more people to help improve their quality of life.

We also want to work with government, the civil service, universities, local councils and residents groups to increase awareness of public transport, discuss issues, improve services, and ensure that promises are kept.

I hope that is a good answer to your question.Hi M :) , Thanks for sharing the goals (and objectives) of the TRANSIT group here. It'll certainly a group to reckon with.



As for the meeting on Sunday, it might be good to do that earlier on Sunday. I have not got a confirmed date for the proposed meeting in Subang Jaya.

Cheers, mThis will depend on whether there are ppl organising this meeting or not. Hope KW can help organise.

[ksj_cool]

I see some work being carried in SS18 area, does that mean that the route of the LRT ext has been decided already? Properties along the main route will drop in value!

[AllUrban]

I see some work being carried in SS18 area, does that mean that the route of the LRT ext has been decided already? Properties along the main route will drop in value!hence the arguments that it is better to run the LRT in industrial areas where people dont live. :eek:

Cheers, m

[EricK]

i read on the board that it was the proposed route.. i think they are doing boring test to check of the soil will support the setting up of pillars..

[ivanhow]

hence the arguments that it is better to run the LRT in industrial areas where people dont live. :eek:

Cheers, mHi M, can you share with the forumers here, what was discussed in the meeting last Saturday? I had an earlier appt, cud not make it to the meetg.
Cheers!

[ivanhow]

Guys,

I was talking to one of the property developers in SJ recently, they were developing a piece of land just were Gazebo used to be, and I was told that the LRT will be running right in front of the twin tower office block :cool: .

It looks like the location of where the LRT will run is already fixed. Case closed. The rest may just be history... :eek:

Maybe, just invest your money in the office block, and wait for it to appreciate. :D

[AllUrban]

Guys,

I was talking to one of the property developers in SJ recently, they were developing a piece of land just were Gazebo used to be, and I was told that the LRT will be running right in front of the twin tower office block :cool: .

It looks like the location of where the LRT will run is already fixed. Case closed. The rest may just be history... :eek:

Maybe, just invest your money in the office block, and wait for it to appreciate. :Dlet me tell you a story.

Once, there was a train station called Bank Negara. It was the only KTM station located next to the city area of KL. It was also narrow and crowded and had poor quality lighting and it was inaccessible.

So KTMB decided that they would renovate the Bank Negara station, and provide it with lifts, a concourse level, more space for passengers, more fare gates, toilets, even a window where you could view the trains at the platforms.

Also part of the plan was a unique and interesting roof structure, which would have made Bank Negara station the most attractive KTM station and possibly the most attractive modern train station in the country.

But one day, an old and well-respected gentleman was visiting the offices of Bank Negara governor Dr. Zeti. And that old and well-respected gentleman happened to look down at the KTM station under renovation, with the new roof under construction, and said "oh, what it that?"

When told that it was the new renovation of Bank Negara, that old, well-respected gentleman commented (more of less jokingly) that it "didnt look right" and "didnt fit in."

Someone made a call to KTMB and the project was stopped. The design of the project was reviewed and the new roof design was rejected by the board of directors ... and replaced by the simple concrete roof that you see today.

My point is that, in Malaysia, nothing is ever fixed or closed.

Cheers, m

ps. it could just be that those guys from First Subang were just trying to sell you on the property...using the idea of the LRT to imply that the property would appreciate in value. I mean, they wouldnt be biased at all, would they? Nothing for them to personally gain? m

[clfoo]

story shouldn't end there, and how much was the cost overrun ? :(

btw, got an indecent cheaper proposal, since the elevated highway infront of 3k taking shape now, so they might as well add a u-turn underneath. This can help smoother the traffic flow a little bit by (1)sealing the right turn into kesas KL-bound direction and (2)reduce 1 traffic light. Hence exit from kesas traffic heading to usj summit can use the u-turn, same as usj traffic wanna use kesas to KL also can use the U-turn, with another option using NPE to KL using left lane flyover.

[AllUrban]

story shouldn't end there, and how much was the cost overrun ? :(

btw, got an indecent cheaper proposal, since the elevated highway infront of 3k taking shape now, so they might as well add a u-turn underneath. This can help smoother the traffic flow a little bit by (1)sealing the right turn into kesas KL-bound direction and (2)reduce 1 traffic light. Hence exit from kesas traffic heading to usj summit can use the u-turn, same as usj traffic wanna use kesas to KL also can use the U-turn, with another option using NPE to KL using left lane flyover.I dont know how much the cost overrun was but the construction was delayed by about 4 months - which is actually a small delay in general when you look at big construction projects.

As for the idea of a u-turn under the Subang-Kelana link...that is something that came up in the discussion and it is being looked into.

Also, just so you know, the traffic study is looking at converting the Summit interchange to contra-flow lanes so they can reduce the number of traffic light cycles from 4 to 2.

The problem with that is that you still end up with traffic weaving and the interchange is quite short in distance - so there is a limit to how many cars will be able to get through the interchange.

My view is still as it was before - build u-turn ramps over the KESAS highway (like the ones over the LDP in Puchong). Traffic exiting KESAS that used to make a right turn onto Kewajipan must now pass under kewajipan, take the u-turn, and exit to the left side.

Cheers, m

[AllUrban]

Just wanted to let everyone know that the consultation on the Integrated Public Transport network will be taking place:

Date:
17 March 2009

Location:
Kelana Jaya MPs service centre at Sunway Mentari
16-3, Jalan PJS 8/2,
Mentari Business Centre,
Bandar Sunway,
46150 Petaling Jaya.

Time: 8 pm.

It is not a public meeting but focus groups have been invited. If you feel that you or your ideas need to be there please contact the mp or ADUN's office or the USJRA...or me.

Cheers, m

[AllUrban]

Just wanted to let everyone know that the consultation on the Integrated Public Transport network will be taking place:

Date:
17 March 2009

Location:
Kelana Jaya MPs service centre at Sunway Mentari
16-3, Jalan PJS 8/2,
Mentari Business Centre,
Bandar Sunway,
46150 Petaling Jaya.

Time: 8 pm.

It is not a public meeting but focus groups have been invited. If you feel that you or your ideas need to be there please contact the mp or ADUN's office or the USJRA...or me.

Cheers, mJust wanted to let you know that the above has been called off.

According to the MPs assistant, this is at the insistance of Prasarana.

Cheers, m

[AllUrban]

Free car parking in 4 Kelana Jaya LRT stations until further notice (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/3/20/nation/20090320131119&sec=nation)


KUALA LUMPUR: Starting Friday, light rail transit (LRT) commuters are given free parking at four stations on the Kelana Jaya line, Rangkaian Pengangkutan Integrasi Deras Sdn Bhd (RapidKL) said.

Communications general manager Ebi Azly Abdullah said the stations are Kelana Jaya, Taman Paramount, Taman Jaya and Dang Wangi.

Cheers, m

[patrick]

Free car parking in 4 Kelana Jaya LRT stations until further notice[/URL]

Cheers, m

Dont know how you guys view it, but to me it's bad news!! Why? First, parking there is almost always full. So you can imagine when it's free. Motorists will park there even longer and perhaps even indiscriminately! There may not be anyone there to jaga so it may get a bit chaotic. Just thinking out loud.

[AllUrban]

Dont know how you guys view it, but to me it's bad news!! Why? First, parking there is almost always full. So you can imagine when it's free. Motorists will park there even longer and perhaps even indiscriminately! There may not be anyone there to jaga so it may get a bit chaotic. Just thinking out loud.you can see our comments here (http://transitmy.org/2009/03/20/free-car-parking-in-4-kjl-stations-until-further-notice/)


TRANSIT says:
While we are thrilled on behalf of Malaysian drivers who might now shift to LRT, we wish to say this:

How about introducing better feeder bus services so we do not need to drive to the LRT station?

Did not specifically mention safety or parking concerns but I will update the website to reflect that. Can I quote you Patrick?

Cheers, m

[patrick]

you can see our comments here (http://transitmy.org/2009/03/20/free-car-parking-in-4-kjl-stations-until-further-notice/)



Did not specifically mention safety or parking concerns but I will update the website to reflect that. Can I quote you Patrick?

Cheers, m

Of course you may, my friend!

[Shaneburger]

from http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/news/story/0,4574,327546,00.html?

extension to Subang Jaya & Puchong was awarded to Minconsult by Prasarana 2 months ago, construction works begin in Aug 2009 ... anyone knows abt this?

[AllUrban]

from http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/news/story/0,4574,327546,00.html?

extension to Subang Jaya & Puchong was awarded to Minconsult by Prasarana 2 months ago, construction works begin in Aug 2009 ... anyone knows abt this?I didnt read this...can you pm the article to me?


Also, I found this in the Malaysian Insider http://m.themalaysianinsider.com/articles.php?id=22769-kl-light-rail-on-track-for-upgrade


Cheers, m