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patrick
20-01-2009, 10:38 PM
This is not a new subject. We talked about it before. Now its still happening.

Generally, I have given up on this supermarket. Why? Everytime the cashier makes an error, they have to run around looking for the supervisor to swipe his tag so that the error can be remedied. And often, one looking for the supervisor is quite a chore and a waste of time.

You want to use gift vouchers? Be prepared to wait too. Cashier needs supervisor's authorization! What a waste of time.

Then they opened up the new outlet at Putra Heights. This morning, thought I would drop by to see what the place is like. And since there, thought we get a few things that we require. And guess what? Another waste of time again!! Dont the EVER learn? We picked up a bottle of Listerine at a gondola end display and the poster clearly reads RM7.99. See picture.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/moothot/Miscellaneous/DSC00074.jpg

When we checked out, cashier keyed in this item and the read out showed RM8.66 !! Told the cashier the price was wrong. Looked at me blankly, called one of the storehand to check. And the cheek, he came back and insisted RM8.66 was correct! Gave them a piece of my mind about Giant, pulled the storehand to the display and showed him the poster and price. Went back to the cashier and dont know what he told her. Then he disappeared and called the supervisor who came. Told them to cancel the item; was no longer interested. When I went back to the display to take this photo, saw a group of them discussing about the problem at the display. Dont know what they were talking about. As for us, we had enough of Giant for one day. They really get on my nerve!!

So, please if you must shop there....check the prices when paying. Hopelessly unreliable ...!!

scorgio
20-01-2009, 10:51 PM
Personally, I don't like to visit Giant (the hypermarts to be exact).

The way they make full use of every square inch within the store to display/put up items, just give you a hard time moving around, with or without trolley.

And their price checker machine, always not in operation or not online.

Jey
20-01-2009, 10:53 PM
I think that the need for cashiers to look for their supervisors intervention to remedy an error made is universal. Been to Carrefour and guess what? The cashier needed to look for the supervisor too. Been to The Store and guess what......? The cashier needed the supervisor. Then it was Fajar...... Yes, you have guessed it again. The poor cashier needed the supervisor's intervention.

So that makes it unmistakable ... all cashiers everywhere need their supervisor's intervention to make remedies. And though it seems inconvenient, there must be a reason why every Hypermart seem to have the same practice. Guess its to have a tight control over the cashier's activities...as it involves money. And anywhere there is money involved, there are opportunities for fraud. So its a preventive measure on the part of the management.

A little patience and tolerance goes a long way. :D

yong
20-01-2009, 10:59 PM
I've experience this before in other places and they quickly allow the lower price.

Obviously they did'nt update their inventory system fast enough to reflect the current promotion price.

Recently I was in Metro, The Curve. I bought a Renoma T-Shirt which has a 70% discount. I did'nt ask the sales attendant to write their bill and went straight to pay. I was only given a discount of 50%. I then check and found out that I MUST get their bill first as this is a special discount and this is not updated in the inventory system.

bslee
20-01-2009, 11:08 PM
One thing that irks or annoy me time and again, is a bunch of beady and vulture like credit card sales people standing right at the cashier counter, watching you when paying for your purchases. The moment you flip out your charge card, here they come.
The other is right outside the exit door where there's individuals sitting down selling something in return for a donation. Nope, I won't use that name to categorize them.
How can the management allow this I don't understand, and its been for a long time since past. Something very wrong there all along.

>SF<
20-01-2009, 11:27 PM
these kind of cases happen to me many time before..... at the end...they will end up giving u an excuse thats say: Sorry Ar.... Boss.... Price Board LUPA tukar...

patrick
20-01-2009, 11:29 PM
I think that the need for cashiers to look for their supervisors intervention to remedy an error made is universal. Been to Carrefour and guess what? The cashier needed to look for the supervisor too. Been to The Store and guess what......? The cashier needed the supervisor. Then it was Fajar...... Yes, you have guessed it again. The poor cashier needed the supervisor's intervention.

So that makes it unmistakable ... all cashiers everywhere need their supervisor's intervention to make remedies. And though it seems inconvenient, there must be a reason why every Hypermart seem to have the same practice. Guess its to have a tight control over the cashier's activities...as it involves money. And anywhere there is money involved, there are opportunities for fraud. So its a preventive measure on the part of the management.

A little patience and tolerance goes a long way. :D

Agree to some extent. But at Carrefour, supervisors turn up very fast, though price problem rarely happens there. Giant seems so often!! I have used vouchers at Carrefour...no need supervisors to authorise! As though they dont even trust their own vouchers! ;-(

USJ27Resident
21-01-2009, 12:06 AM
If I am not mistaken, with your photographic evidence and if you have the checkout receipt - you could make an official complaint with the Ministry of Domestic Trade and give em a helluva headache - a mouthwash to wash away the bitter aftertaste... :p

If something like this had happened in a grocery store or at a market... the Ministry or enforcement fellas would be carting the goods outta the premises for misleading price tags!

clfoo
21-01-2009, 12:37 AM
in similar case, i must give credit to the way carrefour handle it, once i was charged a different price than the promotional sign, went back to take a photo of the sign, walked to the customer service show them the receipt and the photo, she initially tried to cook up excuse but I'm not convinced, then a young indian chap on roller blade stand next to me asking what's the problem, explained to him, without a blink he instructed the customer service refund in full and gave me the food for free and he skate away before I manage to say anything. Admit that some of their stuff are more expensive but since their conduct is more gentlemen, if it's not exorbitant i still consciously willing to pay a bit more to reward them.

jimmyay
21-01-2009, 01:12 AM
As a buyer, we must always check the pricing. Even when i go mamak or even dim sum house, i like to ask them the pricing. Don't get cheated.

takiro
21-01-2009, 02:19 AM
Hi Guys,

Just wonder anyone realised that Giant rounded up price of each item that you bought instead of rounded up the total amount? :eek:

ESLord
21-01-2009, 07:44 AM
Opps... I am one of those that normaly allow them to swipe the card without checking. Gotto be careful next time-especially at this time when time are bad.

The above is probably the staff had label the price wrong, or forget to update the new price. (their pricing fluctuates very quick)- i thought they have this "System Intergrity" policy, that they will honor the lower price between display and their electronic.

Anyway- don't blame the cashier, as they are only short term staff, which could not be given too much autority. They always must rely on the supervisor. The management should hire get more supervisor standby instead.

Giant seems generally cheaper than the other 2 competitors right? but do watch out... Speed99 is coming into contention already.

Phres
21-01-2009, 08:01 AM
I have experienced wrong pricing at almost every hypermarkets I go....even Jaya Jusco....it is a hassle but I realize the cashiers are not at fault, it is because these hypers carry such a huge inventory of items and prices change every so often.... :)

Phres
21-01-2009, 08:02 AM
Really? must go and observe the next time :eek:

vsat
21-01-2009, 08:03 AM
I checked my entire puchases from all three hypermarts (Tesco, Giant, Carrefour) in 2008. I spend an average of RM220.00 and I do my grocery shopping every 2 months. Last year I conducted my grocery shopping 7 times.

After comparison, I find that Tesco is cheaper but I only went there once out of the 7 times. Majority went to Carrefour.

Easy and simple : which hypermart sells the cheapest items?
Tesco / Carrefour / Mydin / Giant.
Don't beat around George Bush and just give me a straight answer.

chin_wan
21-01-2009, 08:03 AM
Just Giant USJ or all Giant? I assume it is all Giant since they share the same system.

chin_wan
21-01-2009, 08:06 AM
Patrick...the sign says Antiseptic Mouthwash Assortment. It did not say Listerine! I think they trying to pull a fast one. Looks like this can be argued. GIANT SUCKS!

blues
21-01-2009, 08:33 AM
When we checked out, cashier keyed in this item and the read out showed RM8.66 !! Told the cashier the price was wrong.
...!!

could be different volume/size ? RM 7.99 for 250 ml only.

CCY
21-01-2009, 08:39 AM
Patrick...the sign says Antiseptic Mouthwash Assortment. It did not say Listerine! I think they trying to pull a fast one. Looks like this can be argued. GIANT SUCKS!

Aisaaay....You didn't see the giant on top meh.... Still got time to correct....

The computer price tracking system is not corrupted but the human system is ....

fRaNkY
21-01-2009, 08:44 AM
Patrick...the sign says Antiseptic Mouthwash Assortment. It did not say Listerine! I think they trying to pull a fast one. Looks like this can be argued. GIANT SUCKS!

It did says LISTERINE :D

termibait
21-01-2009, 08:54 AM
This happens in Jaya Jusco too. I have made a purchase last month in Jaya Jusco due to SALES...Though it was 10% discount however the sticker was not on the box that i took. Guess what, the cashier refused to give me the discount until i asked her to check the other boxes with 10% discount sticker only she allowed to give me that discount.I nearly got cheated my RM20 away So,always be cautious when you shop in Malaysia stores!!!!

Yourdadisangry
21-01-2009, 09:18 AM
Patrick. I also encountered this kind of experience but always get what I want. The trick is make a scene and threaten to write to papers on the wrong dispaly and say that it is your right to get the price shown on the display since it is still valid if it being displayed at the moment of purchase. It shows that the price is still offfered to potential customer. If they charge it different from the display, it show that they are trying to mislead & cheat on their offer. You have the case there.

chin_wan
21-01-2009, 09:23 AM
It did says LISTERINE :D

Oh man...I missed that word completely! Now I SUCK!

patrick
21-01-2009, 09:51 AM
If I am not mistaken, with your photographic evidence and if you have the checkout receipt - you could make an official complaint with the Ministry of Domestic Trade and give em a helluva headache - a mouthwash to wash away the bitter aftertaste... :p

yes I could have IF I had paid for it based on the wrong price. But I becos I just wanted to get out fast. In hurry mah!

LMei
21-01-2009, 10:59 AM
Just Giant USJ or all Giant? I assume it is all Giant since they share the same system.
I think Giant in Pyramid is more expensive. But I did not have the chance to make comparison. Someone told me this on a few occassions.

USJ27Resident
21-01-2009, 11:17 AM
Hi Guys,

Just wonder anyone realised that Giant rounded up price of each item that you bought instead of rounded up the total amount? :eek:

'ello... they ARE only allowed to round up the total amount la... :)

if everything was 0.88 and 0.99 sen each and they were to round up every item, they might as well tag the items as 90sen and 1 ringgit, in the end the buyer rugi lorr...

chookyan
21-01-2009, 11:19 AM
I think Giant in Pyramid is more expensive. But I did not have the chance to make comparison. Someone told me this on a few occassions.

Yes, you are correct - Prices at GIANT supermarkets are higher than GIANT Hypermarkets. Most of the time the prices for the brochures we receive in our letter box are ONLY applicable at GIANT Hypermarkets. If you happen to go to GIANT at opening time, be careful as most of the time the prices for items that are being offered on that day as indicated in the newspapers have NOT being adjusted YET.

JoeJaffar
21-01-2009, 11:30 AM
ever since we got 'conned' on the pricing at one of the giant hypermarkets, we would automatically get extra cautious if and when we buy things there. and that too would be a rarity, mostly out of convenience and if there are things that are ACTUALLY cheaper than carrefour or the pasar pagi.

i let my guard down when i bought some items at the new PH giant on it's opening day, and sure enough, kena again.

logicman
21-01-2009, 11:51 AM
Giant is playing with the rounding up psychology.

Bought 2 apple pie for $0.98 cents but have to pay RM1.00. My mind tells me next time to buy more so that my pie really worth the $0.98 cents. What a fool i have been if I were to buy more and more...

xt900
21-01-2009, 11:57 AM
I saw a sign at cashiers of Giant Sunway Pyramid. It says something like this - If the price shown at the rack and the price shown when you pay is different, you will be charged at the lower price."

Despite no improvement from their management, at least this action give me some confident.

solacer
21-01-2009, 12:14 PM
One thing that irks or annoy me time and again, is a bunch of beady and vulture like credit card sales people standing right at the cashier counter, watching you when paying for your purchases. The moment you flip out your charge card, here they come.......

Live and let live lah Mr. Lee. These people are probably fresh graduates, unemployed or housewives doing some part-time work to cari makan and have been sent there by their employers to do the canvassing. I think they are not paid much and the job can be quite frustrating when faced with annoyed or abusive potential customers. Just tell them that you have already got many cards and don't intend to get one now and thank them for the offer. I'm sure you will feel much happier for the day as there is no regrettable committment made by you and you are not poorer by a ringgit anyway.

I feel for these people as I have gone through similar experience like them before.

Many, many years ago when I started a new job, the company sent me for a so-called "hands-on training" along Jalan Ipoh, KL for 2 weeks and I have to approach about 200 strangers a day outside all the banks there and of all things selling a RM20 Western food outlet discount coupons for a measly commission of RM2 each. (Strange marketing strategy those days, as you get them for free now in magazines, newspapers inserts, flyers etc)

Anyway, sorry for digressing from this topic about Giant. I have stopped going to the one in USJ 1 for quite sometime now since the last unpleasant encounter. I faced the same problem as Patrick's but was not as patient as him running around verifying the prices and snapping for evidence. I just abandon the shopping cart at the counter half-way through the checkout when the supervisor insisted I must pay for the higher price first and later seek refund at the refund counter after they have verified the price discrepancy. Too bad for them, for a lousy small difference they have lost a few hundred ringgit sales for the day and most likely my patronage forever. Moreover, my wife thinks that Carrefour stuff are fresher and prices lower among the rest besides the 10% cash rebate with certain credit cards. It's 5% off with Amex card now.

avusblue
21-01-2009, 01:57 PM
Big Giant = evil ... muahahaha.

But seriously, my take on the hypermarts:

Carrefour (Subang SS16)
Pros: good prices, great price guarantee policy, ok selection, fresh foods ok.
Cons: Old building - feels dirty, dimly lit, and cramped. Saw a huge rat walking the aisles before ... must be shopping too. Parking sux and dark. Long lines. Staff not helpful and blur. Shopping carts always got bad wheel.

Giant (USJ1)
Pros: ummm .... feels cleaner than Carrefour, fresh foods quite fresh.
Cons: high prices, cramped, traffic getting in and out of USJ1, offer items not available most of the time, damn long lines. Staff don't care about anything.

Mydin (USJ1)
Pros: good prices, fresh food quite fresh, shopping carts still in good condition, covered parking - if you can get it.
Cons: other than food, mostly low quality items (especially tools, and home stuff). Traffic in and out of USJ1. Mostly foreigners who don't understand what u saying when there's a price mismatch. Hassle to get in and out ... park, walk up, walk in, pay, walk out, walk down, very far ler. Also long lines. And they're strong supporters of causes of a certain religion (marked Danish products during the cartoon incident, etc), and affiliated to a certain political party (t-shirts, cap, etc of the party for sale near election period), if you care.

Tesco Extra (Shah Alam)
Pros: good prices, great selection with stuff from tesco england, bulk section, brightly lit, darn clean, spacious, carts always clean and smooth, covered parking, traffic to and from is usually good, good fresh foods, and fresh herbs too. Staff always seem like they care. And the best: if there's 2 shopping carts in front of you at the checkout, they'll open a new lane.
Cons: A bit far. Nearer one would be in Puchong ... but that Tesco's condition is almost like Subang's Carrefour :P

99 Speedmart (Taipan, SS19, etc)
Pros: Very convenient for a few items - park, run down, pay, go. Noticed some items cheaper than hypermarts. Usually locals at the counter, which is great.
Cons: Limited selection.

AllUrban
21-01-2009, 02:08 PM
Hi Guys,

Just wonder anyone realised that Giant rounded up price of each item that you bought instead of rounded up the total amount? :eek:If you have proof of that, please let me know...I can share it directly with FOMCA or the Ministry of Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs.

Cheers, m

tmd
21-01-2009, 02:35 PM
EPF owns Giant, that why

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Hypermarket

patrick
21-01-2009, 02:59 PM
in similar case, i must give credit to the way carrefour handle it, once i was charged a different price than the promotional sign, went back to take a photo of the sign, walked to the customer service show them the receipt and the photo, she initially tried to cook up excuse but I'm not convinced, then a young indian chap on roller blade stand next to me asking what's the problem, explained to him, without a blink he instructed the customer service refund in full and gave me the food for free and he skate away before I manage to say anything. Admit that some of their stuff are more expensive but since their conduct is more gentlemen, if it's not exorbitant i still consciously willing to pay a bit more to reward them.

I find Carrefour's Customer service much better by far. Some of their stuff more expensive? Well, by the same token, some of the stuff at Giant too are more expensive even when being promoted! eg at the PutraHeight outlet. Momy Poko(or something like that) diapers at around rm33+. Sounds cheap but actually more expensive than Carrefour's because the pack contains less units!

patrick
21-01-2009, 03:01 PM
As a buyer, we must always check the pricing. Even when i go mamak or even dim sum house, i like to ask them the pricing. Don't get cheated.

Agree. But sometimes when you have a long list of items in the basket, how the heck can we remember if the billing price is correct? Hence, the integrity and efficiency of the outlet management in updating the prices is essential.

patrick
21-01-2009, 03:06 PM
Carrefour (Subang SS16)
Pros: good prices, great price guarantee policy, ok selection, fresh foods ok.
Cons: Old building - feels dirty, dimly lit, and cramped. Saw a huge rat walking the aisles before ... must be shopping too. Parking sux and dark. Long lines. Staff not helpful and blur. Shopping carts always got bad wheel.

Giant (USJ1)
..... Staff don't care about anything.


Carrefour - parking at the higher levels ok what! Why dont you drive up instead of down?

Giant stff dont care about anything? Addendum...also dont seem to know anything !!

patrick
21-01-2009, 03:09 PM
Hi Guys,

Just wonder anyone realised that Giant rounded up price of each item that you bought instead of rounded up the total amount? :eek:

That was what I thought when I was paying. Kicked up a fuss. But when I got home and checked the bill, actually it was correct. What was printed on the bill for individual item was not rounded up. Rounding up was done only on the total. Check your bill again. I had the same impression as you earlier.

patrick
21-01-2009, 03:11 PM
Patrick...the sign says Antiseptic Mouthwash Assortment. It did not say Listerine! I think they trying to pull a fast one. Looks like this can be argued. GIANT SUCKS!

You obviously didnt look at the pix that I posted carefully! ;-)

patrick
21-01-2009, 03:15 PM
could be different volume/size ? RM 7.99 for 250 ml only.

Bruder, I may be retired but certainly not senile or inept!! Further, I was in the FMCG industry, with specialty in marketing and merchandising! Give me some credibility lah ...!!! And neither do I wear glasses, ok? Ha ha !!

patrick
21-01-2009, 03:17 PM
Patrick. I also encountered this kind of experience but always get what I want. The trick is make a scene and threaten to write to papers on the wrong dispaly and say that it is your right to get the price shown on the display since it is still valid if it being displayed at the moment of purchase. It shows that the price is still offfered to potential customer. If they charge it different from the display, it show that they are trying to mislead & cheat on their offer. You have the case there.

Couldnt agree with you more. In this instant, I wasnt in the mood to "fight" over 67 sens, and neither did I have the time then.

patrick
21-01-2009, 03:18 PM
Oh man...I missed that word completely! Now I SUCK!

Like they say....you can fool some of the people some of the time, you cant fool all the people all the time!! Hehheh!! Try again next time bruder!!

patrick
21-01-2009, 03:21 PM
ever since we got 'conned' on the pricing at one of the giant hypermarkets, we would automatically get extra cautious if and when we buy things there. and that too would be a rarity, mostly out of convenience and if there are things that are ACTUALLY cheaper than carrefour or the pasar pagi.

i let my guard down when i bought some items at the new PH giant on it's opening day, and sure enough, kena again.

Thanks for the consolation!! At least I wasnt alone then!! ;-)

AllUrban
21-01-2009, 03:56 PM
EPF owns Giant, that why

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_HypermarketI recall that one major owner of Giant is a foreign company, Dairy Farm out of Hong Kong. I believe they also own Parkson and another outlet - one of the drugstores (Guardian, perhaps).

Cheers, m

robertec
21-01-2009, 04:06 PM
I am sure the Manager looking after the Putra Heights Giant is the one and same manager that looked after USJ1 Giant.

The same lousy attitude since many moons back.
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logicman
21-01-2009, 09:31 PM
I recall that one major owner of Giant is a foreign company, Dairy Farm out of Hong Kong. I believe they also own Parkson and another outlet - one of the drugstores (Guardian, perhaps).

Cheers, m
Dairy Farm also owns Cold Storage...

SunwayK
21-01-2009, 09:37 PM
Patrick.....I recall you had previous bad experiences in Giant and yet, you continued to be suckered in for more punishment!

What you should admire about GIANT is that they don't PRETEND to have customer service and they don't pretend to even like you. Their only purpose existing is to make money. In order to make money, they have to pull a few tricks to make you think that they want to be your friendly neighbourhood hypermarket, they want you to think that they are the low price leader (for 10 advertised items only and the high price leader for the remaining 999,990 items), and they want you to drive your kids there to play with their kids and then, they take you for a ride at the checkout counters.

Or you can try Mydin who, as I understand from another thread, is about to put the final nail into GIANT in USJ1. There, of course, no one cares if you shop there, or if you buy anything, or if you just steal stuff. Isn't that refreshing.

My point? Hypermarkets should be honest. They want our money, and it's silly to pretend that anything else, like customer satisfaction or low price leader or lowest price guarantee or no more than two trolleys queue, is high on their priority list, because we all know the truth and we don't like being lied to.

nyem
22-01-2009, 12:02 AM
If you notice any price discrepancy don't argue with the cashier. Just pay the amount and bring the receipt to the service department to complaint. With that receipt you have the right to say whatever derogatory words you want to use on them and they'll quickly return your money. Without receipt they'll take their sweet time to correct the situation. If they do not entertain you, file your complaint to KPDN tribunal claim (http://www.kpdnhep.gov.my/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=251&Itemid=414).

I no longer shop at Giant, I prefer to do my shoppings at Hero instead (Someone said that the current Hero owner is the previous owner of Giant, not sure if its true). Last month I redeemed my mesra/realrewards points for RM120 worth of goods at Hero. Spent more than a thousand at Tesco last year, what do I get? just some cash vouchers that couldn't even buy my baby's milk.

tupai
22-01-2009, 12:39 AM
caveat emptor.

a listed & printed price is a mere "invitation to treat"

we wne ttru this in previosu threads...go read!

Yang Beli with eyes open-wide! latotupai

takiro
22-01-2009, 05:09 AM
If you have proof of that, please let me know...I can share it directly with FOMCA or the Ministry of Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs.

Cheers, m

Please experience yourself then u will know.. Every single items in your receipt will be rounded up price. :mad:

Escudo
22-01-2009, 10:45 AM
Big Giant = evil ... muahahaha.

Giant (USJ1)
Pros: ummm .... feels cleaner than Carrefour, fresh foods quite fresh.
Cons: high prices, cramped, traffic getting in and out of USJ1, offer items not available most of the time, damn long lines. Staff don't care about anything.


Well.., I beg to differ regarding the cleanliness in Giant. I once saw several cats made their home on the dried food racks in Giant (top part, above head level). Scared the hell outta me!

Escudo
22-01-2009, 10:48 AM
I recall that one major owner of Giant is a foreign company, Dairy Farm out of Hong Kong. I believe they also own Parkson and another outlet - one of the drugstores (Guardian, perhaps).

Cheers, m

If not wrong, they have sold their shares to a local company here, and which was why the price escalated since then~

AllUrban
23-01-2009, 03:24 PM
Please experience yourself then u will know.. Every single items in your receipt will be rounded up price. :mad:ah...but I cannot for 2 reasons

1) Im a single so my shopping is infrequent and my bills are low
2) I live within walking distance of Carrefour and have no car to go to USJ1 or Sunway and buy lots of groceries

But if I do go there I will try to experience it. In the meantime, if you can scan the bill and pm me and send it to the ministry / minister directly....that would be great.

Cheers, m

termibait
23-01-2009, 03:31 PM
Well.., I beg to differ regarding the cleanliness in Giant. I once saw several cats made their home on the dried food racks in Giant (top part, above head level). Scared the hell outta me!

i guess our friend was wearing sunglasses when shopping in giant! hahaha....

orchipalar
23-01-2009, 03:57 PM
Err buddy Patrick...why subject yourself to these pains n agony...
from time to time...

Like Orchi has since boycotted Giant since 200x...no pains...no cry...
no worries...n no nothing...ever since. :p

Nevertheless...Orchi shall relate to you what happened this morning
at Tesco...

Johnson&Johnson body bath...refill packs.
(no tear) is RM8++
other variety RM6++

Wifey picked up the (no tear) J&J body bath from one rack...
But she later saw the other variety selling at RM6++...
so what happened? Conveniently she puts back the (no tear) J&J
on the same rack as the one for the other variety which is
selling at RM6++ each...
Then she picks up the cheaper one...n put it in the trolley.

Orchi bamboo-ed her...for being inconsiderate...guess why?
Some customer by the name of Patrik(coincidently) might just
decide to pick up the (no tear) J&J thinking that it would be
selling for RM6++ ...just because it was found on that rack...
where the other variety J&J are being stored...

So what happens next at the cashier...that Patrick(coincidently)
would be arguing with the poor cashier or manager...that
he saw the label on the rack showing RM6++...niah...

So how now...?

Then whatever the staffs or management do at these stores would
be futile...when there are ignorant or inconsiderate customers...
who likes to put away stuffs...here or there in different racks in the stores...
after they changed their minds about buying these stuffs...

Orchi is not saying Giant did not goof up in here...most likely they did...
BUT just to highlight how mistakes or goof ups can be committed
by the clients...themselves. :)

tupai
23-01-2009, 04:09 PM
E...

Then whatever the staffs or management do at these stores would
be futile...when there are ignorant or inconsiderate customers...
who likes to put away stuffs...here or there in different racks in the stores...
after they changed their minds about buying these stuffs...

Orchi is not saying Giant did not goof up in here...most likely they did...
BUT just to highlight how mistakes or goof ups can be committed
by the clients...themselves. :)


*clap*clap* tabik spring* to Orchi! my man!

And to add on, you inconsiderate, lazy slob of a shopper who simply put the goods u dont want here & there and every where>...
Do U know who amongst the work chain will take the firing??? The lowest earning,poor guy or gal, at the lowest rung of the workchain!

That poor merchandiser/shelf stacker will be 'plucked' for NOT picking up/clearing up, your inconsiderate acts, fast enuff!! U twit!

Yang Boleh taruk balik tempat yg sama latotupai
:)

CS Chua
23-01-2009, 05:09 PM
Like most of you I have stopped patronizing Giant many moons ago, for similar reasons and sentiments. Carrefour is my first choice followed by the wet market.

However Carrefour has its fault too. Look at their 3rd floor electrical/electronic department. Do you know that the whole floor is serviced by only one cash register? The other cash registers near the guards are for goods from below. All the electrical/electronic items must be paid inside at that lonely cash register.

So, what happen? Long queue most of the time. And it broke down 2 days ago and neither of us could pay for our goods! Mr Antoine, the Manager, came down to have a look and I politely told him what a sorry state this floor is and how we have to suffer because there is only one miserable register. What can't he have 2 at all times since it is a big floor? Mr Antoine just looked at me with a weak smile, no acknowledgment or said anything and just walked away.

That is Carrefour - the hypermarket with a weak smile.

bslee
23-01-2009, 09:40 PM
I've never had the opinion that Carrefour was, is or now a great supermarket with great choice or bargains. What most essentials you can find there you can find at another supermarket and the price is more or less the same. Nothing extraordinary. Like Tesco, Care4 have their own label packed products and they're just as expensive as any other competing brand of the similar item. So whats so great about all these foreign run or local supermarts within Subang?..Nothing great lah. OTH, I like Jusco Midvalley, at least there's assortment of near authentic Japanese food and imported Japanese foodstuff there. Yes, I do like and cook Japanese food once a while and Jusco does have what I'll likely use.

jakpo
23-01-2009, 10:10 PM
Was at Giant Putra Heights last weekend. I was behind a family at the checkout counter.... the cashier scan all their items.. and when completed, the family had a shock.... "Empat ratus ???? ". They could not believe it. Called the supervisor up.... as usual, supervisor took ages to come. The supervisor checked all the stuffs. He took out one by one. Then, he cancelled the transaction, and re-scan all items again. One after another,... until suddenly.... tooot.... a yellow children t-shirt = RM278.00... it was actually a RM9.99 t-shirt.

They were lucky because the error was big. If it was RM10 or RM20, they might not realised it.

ftan
23-01-2009, 10:24 PM
Here's what I usually do. If an item is on sale (as in really below the market price, too good to be true, a great deal, etc), I'd go to the price check machine and scan the item. That will tell me if the price has been updated in their system. I make it a point to know where those scanners are in Carrefour, Giant and Cold Storage. If I find the item price has not been updated, I usually don't buy them coz I don't want to waste time waiting for the cashiers/supervisors to correct the price mistake.

bslee
23-01-2009, 11:12 PM
They were lucky because the error was big. If it was RM10 or RM20, they might not realised it.
Its always your responsibility to check and double check your bill. Never take things for granted. Its normal the cashier will NOT take pains to check if the price is errornous or not. They fully depend on the scan code price. Its likely that you or any customer have to be eagle eyed the display when each item is scanned. If any doubt, you've every right to stop and question the price. I've done that very often of when the price don't concur. I'm sure the supermart have gotten away with extras at the expense of customers.

tupai
24-01-2009, 10:08 AM
many of the cashiers are NOT directly employed by the outlets. Its a trend to outsource the cashier service. So, do u think the cashier have the time to go verify your pack of 2-1 meat? your bargain undies? your 650gm sotong?

They dont give a flying banana lah...their daily robotic task is to pick the item, scan it, drop it into the plastic bag, give u a bill, take money and off u go!

These cashiers get paid rm4.00-5.00/hour for a 10hour shift...U wanna do the job? So, never yell at the cashier. Yell at the store manager for operational inefficiencies. :D

Always shoot the generals, never shoot the infantry!

Else, go shop at the wet market, where the Ah Sow&Ah Pak tag team, will always stroke your ego with "hello Leng Lui!" & "hello Leng chai"...for a few sen more :D :D

Yang Beli diPasar Selayang latotupai

patrick
24-01-2009, 08:32 PM
Here's what I usually do. If an item is on sale (as in really below the market price, too good to be true, a great deal, etc), I'd go to the price check machine and scan the item. That will tell me if the price has been updated in their system. I make it a point to know where those scanners are in Carrefour, Giant and Cold Storage. If I find the item price has not been updated, I usually don't buy them coz I don't want to waste time waiting for the cashiers/supervisors to correct the price mistake.

yeah...try finding a scanner in Giant PH! Good luck!!

patrick
24-01-2009, 08:40 PM
Err buddy Patrick...why subject yourself to these pains n agony...
from time to time...

Like Orchi has since boycotted Giant since 200x...no pains...no cry...
no worries...n no nothing...ever since. :p ...............

...Orchi is not saying Giant did not goof up in here...most likely they did...
BUT just to highlight how mistakes or goof ups can be committed
by the clients...themselves. :)

Aiya...bruder, you think I like to go there ah? Went to USJ1 outlet recently because I had to redeem the gift vouchers. Then went to Putra H. just to see what the place is like and location mah. Stay here and not knowing where the big goof is also not right, isnt it?

Anyway, you are right I am not steppig in there unless circumstances force me to. I really have enough with them!!

I especially will never forget a few years when I step into Giant USJ 1 to get something after my badminton game. And becos I was still sweating and in shorts, I put on my track top to prevent getting a chill going into an air cond place. And the stupid security insisted I had to take off my track top before he would let me in! Did I look like a shoplifter?? ;-( Never forgive them for that!)

KakiLang
25-01-2009, 12:05 AM
Its always your responsibility to check and double check your bill. Never take things for granted. Its normal the cashier will NOT take pains to check if the price is errornous or not. They fully depend on the scan code price. Its likely that you or any customer have to be eagle eyed the display when each item is scanned. If any doubt, you've every right to stop and question the price. I've done that very often of when the price don't concur. I'm sure the supermart have gotten away with extras at the expense of customers.

True! Especially when there r promo items which always hv limit per transaction, if u dun notice the limit per transaction or ignorance then u will be charged the normal prices when u buy more then the limit stated (sometimes no written notice at the shelves but they will just tell u it is stated in the leaflets or in the newspapers), and the cashier wont tell u most of the time when they r charging u normal prices!!!

And this is not the fault of the cashier. It is pre-programmed in the system!!

Most of the hypermarkets practice like this if i m not wrong.

evelynlim
27-01-2009, 12:38 AM
Not only Giant, other hypermarket has this problem as well. My latest experience was in Carrefour last week. The price tag display shown different price as the scanned price. The Cashier said his job is just doing the scanning. The price difference might be due to they have increase the price in the system but has yet to change the display price. So, I have to spend extra time go to the customer service counter to get back the cash difference. Moral of the story, wherever u go u need to know the price of the items that u purchase & check it before u leave.

CS Chua
27-01-2009, 08:43 AM
Not only Giant, other hypermarket has this problem as well. My latest experience was in Carrefour last week. The price tag display shown different price as the scanned price. The Cashier said his job is just doing the scanning. The price difference might be due to they have increase the price in the system but has yet to change the display price. So, I have to spend extra time go to the customer service counter to get back the cash difference. Moral of the story, wherever u go u need to know the price of the items that u purchase & check it before u leave.
In this type of situation, I usually leave that item at the counter instead of paying for it and then try getting a refund. Too much of a hassle.

BTW, I had similar problems with Cold Storage too. It is a bug that inflicts all supermarkets.

pucman
27-01-2009, 11:12 AM
So, please if you must shop there....check the prices when paying. Hopelessly unreliable ...!!

I boycotted giant long time ago due to their expensive price, unfriendly customer service and low quality staff who don't know anything much.

But I am surprised that they are opening much more outlets than the rest of the hypermarkets.
Puchong has two and USJ has two (including putra heights)

I suggest you go to TESCO, puchong as I don't have much problems there.

The only problem is that it's jam packed with people but that goes to show it's a better managed company than others.

bslee
27-01-2009, 11:44 AM
Going electronic is perhaps best solution with any supermarket, even Speed99 chain is doing the same. It makes the cashier more robotic anyway and minimize human error, but there's random error no doubt, no system is perfect. You've still be on the alert as YOU'RE the one footing the bill anyway.
I've boycotted the hypermart next door due to various reasons, but if my other half still insists on going there, she can buy whatever on her own, I won't question or fuss. Tesco?.. damn toll pisses me off. Carrefour?.. too far off but yet to visit the Rhythm Avenue branch.
BTW, EVERY MALAYSIAN is a potential shoplifter or kleptomaniac. This country is still with this phobia along with high security, security devices on goods, security checks and numerous warning signs. Third world to say the least in 2009 and there's NO sign it's going to improve significantly. The day most people dismantle grills and gates in own homes, the phobia may decrease. Sorry, this isn't going to happen so soon.
Anyway, I think the day manager or whoever at Giant is SLEEPING!.

pucman
27-01-2009, 01:37 PM
Tesco?.. damn toll pisses me off. Carrefour?.. too far !.

You pay rm 3.20 for toll but you can save a lot more if you buy more than 10 items especially if you live in the southern part of USJ.

Giant prices are comparatively more expensive.

bslee
27-01-2009, 04:32 PM
You pay rm 3.20 for toll but you can save a lot more if you buy more than 10 items especially if you live in the southern part of USJ.


I'm pissed paying toll (ANY toll for that matter) not just because of one reason. Its also to do with reasons thats political in nature.

pucman
27-01-2009, 04:57 PM
I'm pissed paying toll (ANY toll for that matter) not just because of one reason. Its also to do with reasons thats political in nature.

DAP is planning to ask govt to take over LDP for benefits of citizens. So go and give your support.

starrnorth88
28-01-2009, 01:05 AM
Thanks for bringing this up. But I usually have problem checking the receipts. Why.. because those supermarket are so darn stingy to use proper ink to print their receipts. They want to use until the last drop, the last faded print, before they change the ribbon.

similarly for some bank ATM receipts. The printout is so faint

Sentinel
28-01-2009, 01:31 PM
DAP is planning to ask govt to take over LDP for benefits of citizens. So go and give your support.

You think this will happen?

DAP supremo Lim Guan Eng campaigned at the Raja Uda market area before the March 2008 General Election and he informed the residents he would remove the BKE (Butterworth-Kulim Expressway) toll when he comes to power. Its almost 1 year now he is CM of Penang and I understand now he says highway tolls are federal matters.... LOL!

I still remember his words in his Malacca-Hokkien about the toll, "Oo Li Eu bor? Bo Li Eu Ma!"

clfoo
29-01-2009, 02:07 AM
I'm pissed paying toll (ANY toll for that matter) not just because of one reason. Its also to do with reasons thats political in nature.

hints: u dun need to pay toll if u go to another tesco.


he informed the residents he would remove the BKE (Butterworth-Kulim Expressway) toll when he comes to power
i think he means comes to power at Federal level, however i bet they are more willing to rectify the wrong as compare to current herd which more keen on defense the 'unexplainable' eventhough they aware not good for their karma.


Here an interesting development at usj1 Giant
http://www.sjecho.com.my/?page=article&id=721

at the rate goes i think it's better they sell off the business to EconSave :rolleyes:

LaDiDa
29-01-2009, 03:27 PM
There are always pros and cons, no absolutes in this world. You can't find easily a perfect store where you can get everything you want, has the best price around, no-complaint service, easy-to-find shaded parking, squeeky-less trolleys that run straight, roomiest aisles, no damn escalators that occasionally get your tonne-weight trolley stuck at the top causing a stampede and bad bad accidents (hate those escalators), freshest produce, perfectly organised, clear and non-confusing price tags, tout/sales hard-sellers free, clean and stink-free, polite and pout-free cashiers who have at least 1/2 a brain, no horrible jams going in and coming out of. This place doesn't exist. That sounds like heaven. So why have too many expectations? It only makes you angry and stressed out.
If one place does not give you everything you need, then go to a few. If it's too leceh, go to one and make do.
Comparing all the stores I've been to, none fit the bill, one way or another. The one that I felt most comfortable with, ie in terms of knowing exactly where to get what (but still not perfect in other aspects), was Giant USJ but now that's history I suppose.

Mrs A Tham
29-01-2009, 05:29 PM
Reading this GIANT article lead me to a bad experience and would like to share with ya all. Its rgd the neighbor Myd_n,..was doing my usual grocery during one of the sale, while looking for my usual cat biscuits, I tried finding the dog's biscuits but couldn't. Then went to one of the local staff as I know 99% of the foreign workers there will most definately give me an answer like "sorry, saya baru kerja. saya tak tau". This is usual with any foreign workers esp those from Bangladesh.
OK...come back to the dog biscuits issue. I had asked in a good manner, "Encik, mana boleh saya dapat makanan anjing?". Answer was, "Myd-n tak ada makanan anjing"....ofcoz I didn't know why when I asked, "kenapa? habis stok ke?" The answer from him was, " Myd_n perniagaan Islam saja". I didn't really know what it actually meant and asked for the supervisor. He came and told me, "well, ma'am, I can't say anything but it was the management's decision and Myd_n caters for Muslim's needs. You are not the only customer inquiring about dogfood." To my knowledge, infact the supervisor had many times brought up the matter that the management should consider retailing dogfood since there are many non-muslims customers inquiring about it. But was given an answer that the Shopping Centre caters for Muslims customers and all being sold should be in accordance to Muslims' needs."
Well, I am quite surprise over the matter and had since do all my grocery shopping in Jusco, Carrefour and lately Giant PHghts. Save me from making another trip elsewhere for dog biscuits.

LaDiDa
29-01-2009, 06:01 PM
But was given an answer that the Shopping Centre caters for Muslims customers and all being sold should be in accordance to Muslims' needs."


Fine, they can keep their business to themselves, I take mine elsewhere. I never once stepped into Mxxxx and doubt I ever will. Was pretty cheesed off from day one, when they set up store next to their neighbour (how did they get their licence to be there in the first place - there is only one way in and out - ok we can guess), and followed closely their high-handed, cut-throat, dod-eat-dog style of business to finally succeeding to stump out their neighbour. Say it any way you want, but that's exactly what it is. I was always amused or surprised at the bill-board war between the two every time I passed by the traffic lights. One side was definitely the more aggressive. Business is business you may say, but if it is at the expense of another, ok you may win this time, but the karma you create for yourself is stored for the future, and you cannot cheat karma.

coleslaw
29-01-2009, 11:16 PM
Reading this GIANT article lead me to a bad experience and would like to share with ya all. Its rgd the neighbor Myd_n,..was doing my usual grocery during one of the sale, while looking for my usual cat biscuits, I tried finding the dog's biscuits but couldn't. Then went to one of the local staff as I know 99% of the foreign workers there will most definately give me an answer like "sorry, saya baru kerja. saya tak tau". This is usual with any foreign workers esp those from Bangladesh.
OK...come back to the dog biscuits issue. I had asked in a good manner, "Encik, mana boleh saya dapat makanan anjing?". Answer was, "Myd-n tak ada makanan anjing"....ofcoz I didn't know why when I asked, "kenapa? habis stok ke?" The answer from him was, " Myd_n perniagaan Islam saja". I didn't really know what it actually meant and asked for the supervisor. He came and told me, "well, ma'am, I can't say anything but it was the management's decision and Myd_n caters for Muslim's needs. You are not the only customer inquiring about dogfood." To my knowledge, infact the supervisor had many times brought up the matter that the management should consider retailing dogfood since there are many non-muslims customers inquiring about it. But was given an answer that the Shopping Centre caters for Muslims customers and all being sold should be in accordance to Muslims' needs."
Well, I am quite surprise over the matter and had since do all my grocery shopping in Jusco, Carrefour and lately Giant PHghts. Save me from making another trip elsewhere for dog biscuits.
huh? :confused:

clfoo
30-01-2009, 12:06 AM
Reading this GIANT article lead me to a bad experience and would like to share with ya all. Its rgd the neighbor Myd_n,..was doing my usual grocery during one of the sale, while looking for my usual cat biscuits, I tried finding the dog's biscuits but couldn't. Then went to one of the local staff as I know 99% of the foreign workers there will most definately give me an answer like "sorry, saya baru kerja. saya tak tau". This is usual with any foreign workers esp those from Bangladesh.
OK...come back to the dog biscuits issue. I had asked in a good manner, "Encik, mana boleh saya dapat makanan anjing?". Answer was, "Myd-n tak ada makanan anjing"....ofcoz I didn't know why when I asked, "kenapa? habis stok ke?" The answer from him was, " Myd_n perniagaan Islam saja". I didn't really know what it actually meant and asked for the supervisor. He came and told me, "well, ma'am, I can't say anything but it was the management's decision and Myd_n caters for Muslim's needs. You are not the only customer inquiring about dogfood." To my knowledge, infact the supervisor had many times brought up the matter that the management should consider retailing dogfood since there are many non-muslims customers inquiring about it. But was given an answer that the Shopping Centre caters for Muslims customers and all being sold should be in accordance to Muslims' needs."
Well, I am quite surprise over the matter and had since do all my grocery shopping in Jusco, Carrefour and lately Giant PHghts. Save me from making another trip elsewhere for dog biscuits.

i think this should qualify as your bad expectation rather than bad experience. Akin going mamak shop look for pork chop
:confused: .

snoopywhite
30-01-2009, 12:22 AM
I'm sure the supermart have gotten away with extras at the expense of customers.

That is why whenever I see error on the receipt and if it's an advantage to me, I won't report to them !!! :D

sarawakian
30-01-2009, 10:24 PM
I find the one next to Giant so keen on doing many government launches...hmmmmm... :D

Mrs A Tham
31-01-2009, 03:50 AM
Business is business you may say, but if it is at the expense of another, ok you may win this time, but the karma you create for yourself is stored for the future, and you cannot cheat karma.

Well, What goes around comes around!
They should put a slogan beneath their name ,"THE HALAL HYPERMART". This way, it gives a better picture to Non-Muslim Customers not to go there if they are looking for non-halal merchandise.

BTW I find that they are relatively expensive when it comes to powdered milk, cooking oil and breakfast beverages as well as toiletries and detergents.
Carrefour/Giant and sometimes Jusco are more reasonable.

isarahim
31-01-2009, 08:58 AM
Giant is banned forever as far as I'm concerned.

tupai
31-01-2009, 01:03 PM
sometimes...actually many a time, me representing duh nuevo rich shoppers are so darn blur sotong! They will more often than once, stroll into a vegetarian restoran and wanna be served REAL red meat! Or they sashaying into a clearly marked Kosher Minimart and put-their foot into their mouth asking for non-kosher products! Apa?? :confused: Its like walking into a toyota car showroom with wallet fulla cash, and wanna buy a harley davidson! :mad:


Yang Blur sotong latotupai

LaDiDa
31-01-2009, 01:56 PM
Bottomline, people are entitled to sell what they want, not sell what they don't want, patronise places where they want and not where they don't. There are plenty of choices out there. Each man to his own.

gary yap
31-01-2009, 02:16 PM
I always remember the price on the items I took and count them after paying cos everytime I get billed for something extra, everytime. Then they'll accompany me to the rack, checked again, fill up a form and get my refund. Now a habit for me to check everything.

sarawakian
02-02-2009, 03:02 PM
Hahhahahhahaha..I wonder if both GIANT AND MYDIN WILL HIRE MALAYSIANS ONLY AS THEIR POLICY? ;)

tupai
03-02-2009, 11:28 AM
Hahhahahhahaha..I wonder if both GIANT AND MYDIN WILL HIRE MALAYSIANS ONLY AS THEIR POLICY? ;)

Of course NOT! Malaysians are expensive! Foreign general workers (cleaners, garbage collectors, labourers >yes, even within a supermart environ<, ) are dong all dirty jobs for a net Rm500- RM1000/month.

Those earning rm1000 are contracted to a labor-supplier company (who will ultimately deduct all sorta fees from the rm1000)...its bonded slavery if u ask me!
U wanna know how much the road sweeper at Toll plaze earn? Rm35-40/day for 17hrs shift e.g. 2pm till 7am!..they are paid daily. No work, no pay. Cannot fall sick, else u see doc at your own cost. Share a bed with 2 other guys (shift sleeping)...

So, have a bit of sympathy for those foreign workers who travelled '000kms to earn our pittance! We are sooooo LUCKY!

So, which 100% profit oriented company will do its National Service by employing 100% Malaysian (hence pay more salary)??
Very very very few, indeed!

Yang Boleh employ 100% Malaysian latotupai

sarawakian
03-02-2009, 03:38 PM
Of course NOT! Malaysians are expensive! Foreign general workers (cleaners, garbage collectors, labourers >yes, even within a supermart environ<, ) are dong all dirty jobs for a net Rm500- RM1000/month.

Those earning rm1000 are contracted to a labor-supplier company (who will ultimately deduct all sorta fees from the rm1000)...its bonded slavery if u ask me!
U wanna know how much the road sweeper at Toll plaze earn? Rm35-40/day for 17hrs shift e.g. 2pm till 7am!..they are paid daily. No work, no pay. Cannot fall sick, else u see doc at your own cost. Share a bed with 2 other guys (shift sleeping)...

So, have a bit of sympathy for those foreign workers who travelled '000kms to earn our pittance! We are sooooo LUCKY!

So, which 100% profit oriented company will do its National Service by employing 100% Malaysian (hence pay more salary)??
Very very very few, indeed!

Yang Boleh employ 100% Malaysian latotupai


Sad isnt it? Our own Malaysians not treated properly and alos those from afar trying to earn an honest and descent living also not treated properly...perhaps the curse of being a capitalist country? :D

patrick
03-02-2009, 08:35 PM
Sad isnt it? Our own Malaysians not treated properly and alos those from afar trying to earn an honest and descent living also not treated properly...perhaps the curse of being a capitalist country? :D

I once spoke to a Nepalese working as a porter in KL Sentral City Check in. Poor guy told me he had to stay in a crammed room and had to work very long hours. So it's not just a question of $. There is more to it!

bslee
03-02-2009, 08:40 PM
There is more to it!
In other words, they're blatantly exploited and robotic. Employers really don't give a damn as long as they're fed and a roof over their head. Man!, 21st century and its just degrees from 19th century slavery living conditions. They've just NO choice but tolerate for mere survival.

tupai
03-02-2009, 08:53 PM
Sad isnt it? Our own Malaysians not treated properly and alos those from afar trying to earn an honest and descent living also not treated properly...perhaps the curse of being a capitalist country? :D

correction!

1) All malaysians are treated BETTER than the foreign labourers!
2) Its 1000% better to be in a capitalistic country than theorectic/moralistic/authocratic/all'bad'thingstic!

All (99.99%) foreign workers here illegal or otherwise, came for the Money! So, all are economic refugees! (samo samo as my grandpa lah :D )

Those who came on 'persecution' reasons are best left to the relevant experts to sort out...

I once gave a lift to a penniless iranian at klia to KL...how he entered bolehland penniless really blurred me!..by thats another story lah...

By the way, a single foreign owned hypermart employs up to 400 staff (local & foreigners), multiply that by the number of outlets...they are a BIG time employers, ok. So, dont be too rush to condemn the retailforeigners who brought the FDI to this bolehland...


Yang Boleh appreciate latotupai

AllUrban
06-02-2009, 11:42 AM
In other words, they're blatantly exploited and robotic. Employers really don't give a damn as long as they're fed and a roof over their head. Man!, 21st century and its just degrees from 19th century slavery living conditions. They've just NO choice but tolerate for mere survival.and all so people like us can save a few sen on the products we buy and private companies can get more profits to:

a) spend on things that are unnecessary
b) spend on things that are unnecessary
c) pay dividends to shareholders who are probably wealthy and will use that extra money to spend on things that are unnecessary

Cheers, m

clfoo
10-02-2009, 02:00 AM
interesting find on detail of what happen at the giant car park

http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/17871/84/

Phres
10-02-2009, 07:35 AM
Interesting article! Giant will have no choice but shift out of USJ1 then?