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ChaosGenesis
14-01-2009, 06:00 PM
I'm very new to this forum.. (register wise anyways) but I've been reading the forum for quite a while now and I think this is a really awesome place for getting information on Subang Jaya as a whole :)

Anyways... I'm here to ask for your help!

You probably don't know me (would be quite surprised if you do XD).... but I'm sure all of you (at least.. most of you) drive :)

Here I am.. pleading for you to hear me out...

This Monday (12/1/09) at about 2pm near SMK USJ 12 at the traffic light junction, I was involved in a car accident..

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I was driving my Red Myvi (WQH 1988) down Persiaran Tujuan from Subang Jaya towards USJ on the second lane from the left... when suddenly... this Gold Toyota Unser (BGG 9608) cut through the double line from the right into my lane... severely damaging my two right doors.

We failed to reach an agreement regarding the matter and so proceeded to a nearby workshop for an evaluation for the cost of the repair. After finding out the estimated cost (mine was around RM 600+), the lady adamantly denied she had any fault in the matter and told us to pay for our own repair costs. I was of course not happy with that decision and offered for us to go down to the police station together to lodge a police report. She was reluctant and seemed to care less about doing so, fervently mentioning it would be more logical to just pay for our own repair costs since the police would fine BOTH of us...

I then proceeded to the SS 17 police station to lodge a report and described the accident exactly the way it happened.

The next day, I went back to the police station to pick up my certified copy of the report and was told by the police to stay back as he had some things to tell me. I was scheduled for an attachment with SJMC then and told him I would get back to him later.

After my attachment, I went again to meet up with the police... and inquired about the status of the case...

He said the woman did come in to make a report... however... her version of the story was different...

According to her, I was driving on the 3rd lane from the left (the lane meant for turning right) and so crossed the road while the traffic light indicated red. She didn't however deny that it was her car that rammed into mine...

The police said he could not deny either one of our accounts of the event since we had no witnesses and no evidence of the crash site, and so decided to fine neither of us and told us to claim our own insurance.

I'm not satisfied with the verdict.

Let me just point out a few things in this case.

1. I drive back from Subang Jaya to USJ nearly everyday... I KNOW which road to use when I'm on my way back home... The second lane from the left is my lane of choice because the 3rd and 4th lane are meant for turning right and so would be unwise of me to use (especially in the event the traffic light turns red... I would have to stop my car) and the 1st land will end in less than 500m distance... I dislike having to change lanes so many times, and I'm sure that applies to you too.

2. The 3rd lane's traffic light had to indicate red for quite some time if she was to cross her side of the road (she came from Persiaran Setia), I'm not the kind of person who would beat the red light just to put myself into danged especially considering the situation (red light on my side would indicate a green light on her side... traffic flow during that hour is relatively heavy) and the 2nd lane is always green and 'supposedly' safer to travel on since there's a double line that the cars from the right aren't supposed to cross until quite a distance ahead.

3. She told me herself she lives in USJ 11, I'm guessing she blatantly cut across into my lane in an attempt for a quick access into her area, and by the looks of it.. she does it naturally (so I would suggest anybody who crossed that area to be more aware of her).

4. The moment she found out the repair cost was so high, she immediately started denying she had any fault in the matter and kept saying I had the fault in it (driving straight on a road meant for nothing but driving straight with a double line on the right... is wrong?).

5. She seemed adamant of NOT making a police report, even though it was the most fair decision in any case.

Now.. I'm not trying to swing you over to side me in this case, I just want to know if anyone actually witnessed the accident and is willing to come forward and explain it to the authorities.

I KNOW I have done nothing wrong... and yet here I am bearing the burden of a very expensive repair because SHE cut across a double line at high speeds (for a turning anyways) into MY lane while I was driving STRAIGHT and WELL within my lane (I like to drive in the middle of the lane because that prevents me from getting too close to other cars... I really love my car) and on top of that.. fabricated a lie to help her escape from bearing any responsibilities in the matter!

While I understand it is only human to act defensively when accused of something... Lying about something is definitely crossing the line!

Yes... humans lie... but when the lie is at the expense of another... I think you can understand how frustrated and disappointed I am...

I do not blame the police for not siding with me... they've done their best... what I can't understand is how this woman can throw away all her dignity and fabricate such a truth-less tale... Have you no shame?

This is not a hate inducing post... I merely want to see justice be served, as I firmly believe no crime should go unpunished... and here I am suffering the consequences due to her blatant disregard for traffic rules and basic road safety protocols. If she doesn't learn her lesson, she will continue this heinous crime and threaten the safety of not only herself... but other innocent people who are just trying to get home, because she knows she can get away with it. I was lucky to have been able to escape unscathed from this incident.. but who knows which unlucky driver does NOT the next time this happens again?

I can forgive her for her dismal driving skills (I do NOT discriminate against lady drivers, girls can drive as well as boys as far as I know...), her moment-in-time mistake of cutting into my lane... what I just cannot bring myself to forgive.. is the fact she fabricated a web of lies to get rid of her responsibilities in the matter and the fact she now knows she can get away with her crime unscathed. To tell you the truth, this worries me more than it does anger me... I do NOT want to end up in a similar situation in the future...

So this is a cry for help as well as a howl of warning...

If you DID witness this accident.. PLEASE help me by contacting either me (through the forums) or Sjn. Mejar Rasni from traffic of SS 17 police station (03-5633 2222) with reference number 897/09.

I thank you for your patience and attention. May we all be exempted from problems like these.

PS - The lady driver stays in USJ 11 and picks her son from school (SMK USJ 12) around the afternoon hour, drives a Gold Toyota Unser (BGG 9608). Like I mentioned earlier, it seems natural for her to cut across the double line to get to her residential area so I would keep an eye out for such things whenever I cross that area again if I were you. Perhaps its best to avoid her at all times since I don't know if she's been involved in any other forms of such so called 'mishaps' (she seems to know the workshop guy very well and said his workmanship was excellent when it comes to such damages... I'll leave it to you to interpret what this means)

mlkok
14-01-2009, 08:57 PM
Firstly, I offer you my sympathy. I drive across that area everyday and have myself have saveral near accidents with drivers coming out of the traffic light and trying to turn into USJ 11. I have also witnessed cars drive straight across the road to get to the junction.

Personally I think it's a very dangerously designed road but it's also the attitude of the drivers which also matter. Most of them think that it's much cheaper to pay for car repairs than to turn into USJ 11 using the junction a little further down the road.

ChaosGenesis
14-01-2009, 09:43 PM
Thank you.

I agree, and yes.. the attitude does matter, this lady apparently doesn't place safety very high up her list of priorities when it comes to driving, opting instead for fuel economy and perhaps convenience.

robertec
15-01-2009, 10:03 AM
Thank you.

I agree, and yes.. the attitude does matter, this lady apparently doesn't place safety very high up her list of priorities when it comes to driving, opting instead for fuel economy and perhaps convenience.
If you are unhappy about the incident and would like to make sure that justice is done, you could, but you would have to really go out of your way to make it happen.

Did you take pictures of the damage to both vehicles?
If you have, go back to the place where the accident took place and take pictures of the actual road where the accident took place.

Make out a detailed report and I will direct you to the District Traffic Chief of Subang Jaya. You can explain the whole situation to him.

If indeed there is proof that you are not to blame, the other driver can be charged for making a false report and probably be charged for 2 offences.

As for the repairs, you would probably have to claim it from your insurers.
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ChaosGenesis
15-01-2009, 09:13 PM
I would go all away too make sure justice is done!

Yes I did.

OK... but there aren't any indications of where the collision took place... our vehicles did not leave much debris after the crash and whatever was there would probably have been all gone by now.

OK... but if I may ask... is there a sample of a detailed report out there I could refer to? I'm not all experienced in the matter. Thank you so much for your assistance.

OK :)

robertec
17-01-2009, 09:08 AM
I would go all away too make sure justice is done!

Yes I did.

OK... but there aren't any indications of where the collision took place... our vehicles did not leave much debris after the crash and whatever was there would probably have been all gone by now.

OK... but if I may ask... is there a sample of a detailed report out there I could refer to? I'm not all experienced in the matter. Thank you so much for your assistance.

OK :)

Print out the pictures.

Make a layout of the road and how the cars came together, this should give a good indication of the road conditions, i.e. road markings etc....

When you are finished post your pictures here together with the layout and I will see what can be done.

If you do not know how to post in this forum let me know and I will help you.

ChaosGenesis
17-01-2009, 02:40 PM
Thank you for all your help guys!

My parents managed to sort out the matter with the police.. so I guess everything is fine now :)

Thanks so much for your help Robert ^^ This will definitely be useful if I ever get into an accident again!

robertec
17-01-2009, 05:17 PM
Just remember that there are always people who will help if you ask for it.
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ChaosGenesis
17-01-2009, 05:28 PM
I will :) Thanks!

zerowindez
17-01-2009, 11:48 PM
Dear ChaosGenesis,

You are not alone.
I've personally experienced something like yours a few weeks ago.
To be precise, it was on the 31st of December 2008.

I was driving along Taipan when I came to a halt (due to traffic congestion).
I got hit at the front passenger door by this reversing Kelisa (while my car was stationary!)!
Initially the person took responsibility and proposed to repair my car's damages.
The person however decided to change the story later in the day - even threatening to call in the police.
Thank God the issue ended amicably in the end - thanks to the person's spouse.

I just don't know what's so hard in owning up especially when it's a clear cut case.

Note : This is just a short recollection of what happened.

chookyan
20-01-2009, 09:29 PM
My parents managed to sort out the matter with the police.. so I guess everything is fine now :)

Thanks so much for your help Robert ^^ This will definitely be useful if I ever get into an accident again!

It happened to me once infront of Summit traffic lights which is another problem area. The lady driver (sorry) was on the 3rd lane and decided last minute to drive straight to USJ6 by cutting to the 2nd lane. Tried to act tough call the husband etc. Luckily got my camera phone, took the incident pictures, the husband came and wanted to snatch my phone. Got into my car and drove off, went straight home and check www. jpj.gov.my and check if her car is blacklisted. Bingo it was blacklisted, I printed it out drove to the police station. The couple was there and start accusing me at the police station, keep my cool. Showed the photos to the police with the blacklisted print out. Bingo again, the traffic officer told them straight pictures don't lie. They were compound on the spot and I proceed to my workshop and claim all damages against them. It was my lucky day!

Yes, Robert Chan is a nice guy and everyone in SJ/USJ knows him.
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jimmyay
21-01-2009, 01:22 AM
Thank you for all your help guys!

My parents managed to sort out the matter with the police.. so I guess everything is fine now :)

Thanks so much for your help Robert ^^ This will definitely be useful if I ever get into an accident again!

I met with another lying driver too. Initially he agreed that he is wrong but then when his friend arrived at the scene, he persuaded him to lie. As he met with the inspector first, we got scolded. Then after the inspector look at the car & place, she scolded the driver for lying to her. As the accident is quite major and the location can't be denied, truth prevails....lucky for us.

In your case, it seems...'cheatable', so.....
How your parent sort out with the police. If convenient, please share with us.

gary yap
21-01-2009, 02:30 PM
Sometimes we get angry is not because of who's right or wrong but the hassle involved and the loss of use of car. A lady once knocked my driver side wing mirror in front of Summit cos she wants to cut into the middle lane(right lane was for turning right and U-turn). She raised her hands at me as if she's scolding why I didn't give way :confused: When I got back home I notice my wheel arch got a dent. :mad: :( what to do...

Plantronic
27-01-2009, 01:17 PM
During working hours, my Car was ram by a motorbike at one of the small road inside residential area. A young boy (around 17) ride his bike with high speed from one corner & make a super corner stunt which hit my car. After the accident , i ask for his identification. He have no ic , no license, no Road Tax , No helmet. The biker not even want to pay my damages.

I was told by my friends that this kind of case is consider unlucky & just make a report.

After finish work , At night i make a police report & show policeman where the incident happen ! Suddenlly i was told that i was wrong & he will issue summon to me. He saids my road got stop sign & i should stop.. i explaint that the bike make super cornering then hit my car. He still insist wanna issue me summon.

I was so angry.. i told him that i make this report because of the safety for other people in the future. I ask him if someone with no license hit a car and can excape from law. I also will not renew my license , road tax and wear sit belt. Then only he said will investigate & get back the outcome to me & not giving me summon at the moment. Till now no news ..

Do u think that someone which have no license , no road tax , no helmet & ram on ours vehicle & we'll get summons???

Sharing my experiance to u all. :confused:

gary yap
27-01-2009, 02:06 PM
Take down the police serial number and tell him you'll go to another police station to make a report. I did that once while kena knock from the back in SS15. The next day I made that report at the SS17 they told me to go to PJ. So I told him ok but will need his 'serial number' in case PJ ask me why report wasn't lodge in Subang. Straightaway he took out his camera and start taking picture. Be firm! :)