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maxima
12-01-2009, 03:04 PM
Hi all, I am wondering if there is any fresh cow/goat milk supplier or home delivery service around in usj ?

gtl
12-01-2009, 04:50 PM
better buy milk from supermarket - farmfresh is fresh milk direct from Aust.

kwchang
12-01-2009, 05:48 PM
...fresh milk direct from Aust.
Have you wondered how they get "fresh" milk from Australia?
Do you know what "fresh milk" should be?

If I am not wrong, fresh milk should be pasteurized (heated to just above 70degreesC) to kill any bacteria and then chilled. Have you thought of how such chilled fresh milk be transported from Australia to KL for sale? i have no idea ... hence I am doubtful there can be Australian fresh milk sold in KL

Please note UHT milk is not fresh milk

gtl
12-01-2009, 09:29 PM
Have you wondered how they get "fresh" milk from Australia?
Do you know what "fresh milk" should be?

If I am not wrong, fresh milk should be pasteurized (heated to just above 70degreesC) to kill any bacteria and then chilled. Have you thought of how such chilled fresh milk be transported from Australia to KL for sale? i have no idea ... hence I am doubtful there can be Australian fresh milk sold in KL

Please note UHT milk is not fresh milk

i can substantiate this claim bcs my good friend is the brand manager for this product with FNN. these milk are pasteurized and shipped in with tank containers.

tupai
12-01-2009, 10:06 PM
Dutch Lady is the lady to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D


Yang banyak minum susu latotupai

USJ27Resident
12-01-2009, 11:01 PM
Dutch Lady is the lady to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Yang banyak minum susu latotupai

:D knowing tupai... he'd take the dutch lady, put her on his bike and forget about the milk... :p :D :D

fRaNkY
13-01-2009, 08:22 AM
There is this supplier that goes to Maju2 Restaurant in Court 9 around 6 to 6.45pm to deliver milk for their tosei. Try to catch him. He usually delivers behind the restaurant. You can also buy from the restaurant (maybe).

Bump into him many times while having tea ........ :D

maxima
13-01-2009, 09:48 AM
There is this supplier that goes to Maju2 Restaurant in Court 9 around 6 to 6.45pm to deliver milk for their tosei. Try to catch him. He usually delivers behind the restaurant. You can also buy from the restaurant (maybe). Bump into him many times while having tea ........ :D

Thanks all for the info.

By the way I heard pasturized milk should not be considered as FRESH milk too. Just hope this Maju2 supply is truly FRESH without any artificial process.

:)

coleslaw
13-01-2009, 09:55 AM
it depends on what you wanna do with the fresh milk..
if you gonna bathe in it or as an altar offering, then not a problem.
if you can to consume it, then i would suggest you find out where the source the milk is from. how hygenic it is.
like gtl, i buy farmhouse milk low fat milk. it's more expensive but it tastes like milk!!
and so far no local brands can come to it in taste.

Weezy
13-01-2009, 11:46 AM
if not pasturised, the milk will spoil before you buy it...
you want unpasturised milk... got get the whole cow... :D :D

SingaporeEhSai!
13-01-2009, 11:49 AM
i can substantiate this claim bcs my good friend is the brand manager for this product with FNN. these milk are pasteurized and shipped in with tank containers.

u know how long does it take for a container ship with speed of 25 knots to reach port kelang? abt 8 days IAGWWP, shipping term for If All Goes Well Weather Permitting.....and tat is excluding ex farm to ur door step.

Jey
13-01-2009, 11:56 AM
There is this supplier that goes to Maju2 Restaurant in Court 9 around 6 to 6.45pm to deliver milk for their tosei. Try to catch him. He usually delivers behind the restaurant. You can also buy from the restaurant (maybe).

Bump into him many times while having tea ........ :D

Since when are they using cow's milk for thosei? hahaha... its not true.

Cow's milk only used as addition to hot drinks when ordered by customers or for making fermented Indian yogurt. No milk in thosei.
:D :D :D

fRaNkY
13-01-2009, 01:24 PM
Since when are they using cow's milk for thosei? hahaha... its not true.

Cow's milk only used as addition to hot drinks when ordered by customers or for making fermented Indian yogurt. No milk in thosei.
:D :D :D

Isnt tosei use fermented milk? :confused: I just know how to eat :D

Maxima - make sure u strain the milk incase got hair and boil the milk for a min.

kwchang
13-01-2009, 01:43 PM
...and boil the milk for a min.
Do not boil milk because it will curdle and get lumpy (correct me if I am wrong)
What I do with milk delivered by the local Indian dairyman - pour the bottle of milk into a saucepan and heat it to a point when the milk starts to bubble then shut off the flames. What you really want to do is to bring it above 70degreesC, not boiling point. since we cannot gauge the temperature, the point of bubbling would be just fine.

At above 70 degrees, bacteria will be killed. Hence that is why milk is heated to that temperature. Same for pasteurization.


if not pasturised, the milk will spoil before you buy it... actually untrue. Pasteurized milk can still spoil if you do not keep it chilled at 8degreesC or less. Pasteurization is basically to kill bacteria transmitted by the cow and this is done mainly to kill tuberculosis (TB) bacteria. If the dairy cow is not vaccinated against TB, there is a chance it will contract TB and pass the bacteria into the milk. In the UK, some people drink raw milk (not pasteurized) and some of them have contracted TB due to this.


I heard pasturized milk should not be considered as FRESH milk I am sorry, you have misunderstood. Fresh milk is from the cow. Pasteurization is an important process for human health. If it was not pasteurized, it is RAW milk. Since I am on the subject of fresh milk - what is NOT "fresh milk"? That would be reconstituted milk. For example, Australia and NewZealand produces a lot of milk and they make milk powder from their milk that they cannot market as fresh liquid milk. Powdered milk does not need refrigeration, so it can be shipped all over the world. In the factories like in Malaysia, powdered milk is reconstituted back to liquid milk by adding it to water. That is how we get most of the liquid milk in our supermarkets and they are in the form of UHT milk (not pasteurized)

Therefore, for fresh milk consumers, please be aware that your milk is pasteurized and chilled. There is no other option.

CCY
13-01-2009, 02:17 PM
Is Good Day fresh milk on the market actually fresh milk from local dairy sources...or it is also reconstituted milk ?

Jonisa
13-01-2009, 02:27 PM
Actually, if you really looking for dairy cow milk, there are several small farms in Puchong, Batu 14 where they rear cow and goat and they supplies cow and goat milk - fresh as what they stated...

You might wanna come and visit it yourself before you decide to place order with them and arrange for delivery??

Kissme
13-01-2009, 08:42 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization

UHT stands for Ultra High Temperature heating at 138c for a fraction of a second.

I think all milk should be pasteurized right? Since it kills harmful bacteria.
Who would dare to drink raw milk when you can contract diseases from it?

VeeJay
13-01-2009, 09:18 PM
I think all milk should be pasteurized right? Since it kills harmful bacteria.
Who would dare to drink raw milk when you can contract diseases from it?

Many do! At least I did for the 17 years of my life....many in the rural area, still drinks raw milk.....

kwchang
13-01-2009, 09:58 PM
If you had heated the milk (as is normally done by consumers) then it isn't raw milk anymore.

By the way, I think UHT is not pasteurization since the temperature is so high.

VeeJay
13-01-2009, 10:05 PM
When I was young....didnt really like the taste of heated milk, so would take it raw...but nowadays I'm not accustomed to the smell anymore....when I tried recently at my uncle's place....man...I dont really know, how I've been gulping iall those years... :confused:

fRaNkY
14-01-2009, 08:51 AM
Do not boil milk because it will curdle and get lumpy (correct me if I am wrong)
What I do with milk delivered by the local Indian dairyman - pour the bottle of milk into a saucepan and heat it to a point when the milk starts to bubble then shut off the flames. What you really want to do is to bring it above 70degreesC, not boiling point. since we cannot gauge the temperature, the point of bubbling would be just fine.



Similar lar... bring it to boil and then turn off the gas. I prefer a small pot to avoid spilling out and easier to stir.

However, I usually get the few litre goodday milk from coldstorage or giant if there. Since the "fresh" milk rather expensive for 2 kids and the usual clean up after heating it :D

Kissme
14-01-2009, 10:50 PM
If you had heated the milk (as is normally done by consumers) then it isn't raw milk anymore.

By the way, I think UHT is not pasteurization since the temperature is so high.

Wikipedia lists these two methods as pasteurization:

Milk simply labeled "pasteurization " is usually treated with the HTST method, whereas milk labeled "ultra-pasteurization " or "UHT" has been treated with the UHT method.
High temperature/short time (HTST) method is to heat at 71.7 C for 15-20 seconds.


Does the pasteurization method effect taste? and why is it that different brands of milk have different tastes? Does it have anything to do with the cow?

Kissme
17-01-2009, 07:57 PM
FOR YOUR INFO: http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/asksam/healthydiet/milkanddairyq/

Most milk we buy in the UK is pasteurised. Milk is pasteurised by heating it, usually to 71.7C for 15 seconds. This gets rid of any food poisoning bacteria in the milk and reduces the bacteria that make milk go off. So pasteurising milk makes it safer to drink and makes it last longer.

UHT stands for 'ultra heat treated'. UHT milk, also called long-life milk, has been heated to at least 135C for at least one second. This destroys all bacteria in the milk and makes it last much longer than ordinary pasteurised milk. UHT tastes different to other milk because of the high temperatures used when it's treated.

You can buy unpasteurised milk in some places. Because it hasn't been heat-treated, unpasteurised milk can contain bacteria that could cause food poisoning. Young children, elderly people, pregnant women and people who are ill should avoid unpasteurised milk.

Remember to follow the storage instructions on all types of milk.

Mrs A Tham
29-01-2009, 06:10 PM
Will boiling milk takes away all its nutrients??
Well, while in HKL, I was given professional advice that when a mother's milk is being stored in the freezer and being taken out to be heated before giving it to baby, We are being taught to put the storage container directly into boiled water and not direct boiling it. Then the freezed milk will melt and being warmed up. When temperature as required, then it will be poured into milk bottle to be fed to baby.
Well, when it comes to cow's milk, esp raw ones, we tend to boil it up and add a little sugar to taste. then will drink it when cooled off.
Now, I was just wondering when we boil, ultra heat the milk, will its nutrients be lost.
Really need professional advice on this.!!