Genetic Today...

[klubstir]

Would you like to be part of a health services industry with a potential return of above RM 10,000 a month with less than RM 1,000 as investment and in the same time you are helping people?? No, I not promoting MLM, internet investment or selling any health product here. Do your ever heard about International Human Genome Sequencing Project (IHGSP)??

lHGSP is a 13 year collaboration between 6 countries namely US, UK, Japan, Germany, France and China. IHGSP Is a project that has been lauded as one of the top 3 discoveries along man landing on moon and DNA. With the completion of human genome sequencing, this will allow early detection of hereditary disease such like cancer, high cholesterol, diabetes, heart diseases, chronic renal failures and many other diseases. The test accuracy is 99.99%.

Now, this program are here in Malaysia and we have receive a tremendous response from the market to conduct a genes test. We will officially launched this program somewhere in January or latest in February 2009.

We would like to invite interested entrepreneur that want to become part of this program to apply for the license as we are only issuing a limited of license. Successful applicant will be provided with training and kits and a chance to go to China to visit Shanghai BioCorp.

For more information, please pm your enquiry with your contact. FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

[kwchang]

...with less than RM 1,000 as investment...
Excuse me for being naive but anytime someone says I need to plonk down some money to make more money, I get nervous and suspicious. The only exception is my remiser or banker, but anyone else I smell a big fish.

So beware, dear readers

[klubstir]

Do not trust me.. trust what u see and what u heard... go to this few link and u will find out either wat i talking about is viable or not...


Imagining The Next Bill Gates (http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2005/tc20051104_013385.htm) - This is from Business Weeks


Genetic Technology To provide Gene Testing (http://www.genetictoday.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34&pid=43&st=0&#entry43)


Something fishy? Well, try this Completion Of Human Genome Sequencing (http://www.genome.gov/11006929) ... Up to u reader....

[klubstir]

Mr Chang,

Can you please show me or prove to me where is the BIG FISH? Is Business Week the BIG FISH? Even this news has been published in Malaysia Reserve and other Media as well sometime ago but I'm sad u didnt aware of this and yet you smell a BIG FISH over this.

Maybe you should consult your doctor over your over-sensitive nose... :D

You will hear more about this very soon. No hard feeling bro..

[kwchang]

Would you like to be part of a health services industry with a potential return of above RM 10,000 a month with less than RM 1,000 as investment and in the same time you are helping people?? .
This is the fishy part. How come there is a suggestion of putting in some money to make more money? Maybe it is the way you wrote it. Maybe you did not express yourself properly. As it stands, what you said is nothing short of the medicine man at the street corner selling snake oil.

All the other links you gave only mentioned about Genetics and Biotech being in the forefront of the new technology. By the way, this is not new - I can tell you that 25 years ago, my classmate in the IMR was already doing genetic identification of gene markers of patients at GH. At that time it was already known that there are genetic markers that can indicate the health profile of humans. With that we could already foretell if someone has a higher risk of kidney disease or diabetes. 25 years ago, my friend. That was not yesterday.

What the "news" you have been telling are only now making a "2nd" push because today, due to the human genome project, we have a better picture of the complete genetic code of humans. While the genetic picture was sketchy in the past, it is now clearer.

All well and good. this is science. I am a Zoologist by training - so genetics isn't too much of a mystery to me. What puzzled me is WHY you started off the thread by mentioning a 10-fold return on investment? My first impression was this is some scam coming on because while touching on genetics, I do not see how a layman is going to get involved with making money from it. Throwing in words like MLM didn't help you much as well.

Maybe this thread has a communication problem? What was it you were actually trying to say? Was your direction investment-based or biotech-based?

[klubstir]

This is the fishy part. How come there is a suggestion of putting in some money to make more money? Maybe it is the way you wrote it. Maybe you did not express yourself properly. As it stands, what you said is nothing short of the medicine man at the street corner selling snake oil.

All the other links you gave only mentioned about Genetics and Biotech being in the forefront of the new technology. By the way, this is not new - I can tell you that 25 years ago, my classmate in the IMR was already doing genetic identification of gene markers of patients at GH. At that time it was already known that there are genetic markers that can indicate the health profile of humans. With that we could already foretell if someone has a higher risk of kidney disease or diabetes. 25 years ago, my friend. That was not yesterday.

What the "news" you have been telling are only now making a "2nd" push because today, due to the human genome project, we have a better picture of the complete genetic code of humans. While the genetic picture was sketchy in the past, it is now clearer.

All well and good. this is science. I am a Zoologist by training - so genetics isn't too much of a mystery to me. What puzzled me is WHY you started off the thread by mentioning a 10-fold return on investment? My first impression was this is some scam coming on because while touching on genetics, I do not see how a layman is going to get involved with making money from it. Throwing in words like MLM didn't help you much as well.

Maybe this thread has a communication problem? What was it you were actually trying to say? Was your direction investment-based or biotech-based?


Can you read it stated there "potentially"? Well if u interested to know more we can keep in touch. I am a layman. U mean layman can share good information they obtain from internet, magazine and so on to other?

Everyone can involve in sharing this test bro. Mind I ask you a question? Do u need to be a a doctor to share an information on health with other which you obtain the information from a doctor?

You do not need a rocket science to figure out the answer right. This business is about sharing of information and those information is backed by statistic and fact from the Project. The rest which mean the test and explanation of the test report will be done by Doctor(Yes bro, is a qualified doctor not ah pek jual ubat one).

[Carolrasiah]

Excuse me for being naive but anytime someone says I need to plonk down some money to make more money, I get nervous and suspicious. The only exception is my remiser or banker, but anyone else I smell a big fish.

So beware, dear readers
ya agree with u.........there too many of these kind hang around.

[kwchang]

Sharing of information is a good thing. In fact, this is the cornerstone of this very Forum we are in. We are doing this everyday.

However, we have a moral duty to prevent the spread of misinformation. If someone comes to the Forum to say that there is an investment opportunity using badly interpreted scientific "facts", it will be the duty of those who know the subject to correct any misinterpretation of the information.

I will leave the reader to decide on the turn of events as I suspect will unfold in time to come. So far all the links to the scientific reports on the genome project is fine. I am just uncomfortable that these information are going to be made use of in promoting some investment scheme.

[klubstir]

You regards yourself so highly bro... Did I say investment scheme? As you agree that all the link to the genetic test is fine so what isn't what I said is true about the test and is viable? Even when you interested to invest in a franchise, they will stated in the agreement that with investment of RM..... , potentially return is RM......!!! That is what I wrote right? Do I say guarantee?

RM 1,000 is inclusive of training, test, supporting marketing kits for people to start this business. There is no such thing as royalty fees or what so ever. Even MOH knew about existence and went to China with us.

In fact we can decide to set the start up investment higher but we decided against it because we are not making money from your start up investment. So what you mean is that I should set the investment higher so this will be automatically make people believe that this is true?

The objective of low entry is to assist people that want to earn more but do not have huge capital to invest in. How many of us here has that kind of money to invest in share market? Even that, no promise you will get back that investment because is depend on our judgment and economic situation.

Same here, to get back the investment is as simple as knowing 1 of your friend or family that interested to do the test and you get back your RM1k investment. Is this a high risk for aspiring entrepreneur? If this is a high risk then I think you might not the one we are looking forward to work together for this program.

But anywhere, I not here to argue with anyone. I just sharing this piece of business opportunity for those that interested. I cant force people to believe me nor either I cant force you to join this program but I can only share opportunity for people that believe in it.

To interested party, pm me.

[kwchang]

Thank you for being frank at this stage and finally admitting that you are now offering an investment opportunity.

As you had been in this Forum long enough to know, and having read my responses and warnings to all who had advertised on the Forum, we have this policy against any solicitations for business and advertisements.

As such, since you are now offering people to contact you on such an investment, I have no choice but to terminate your membership in this Forum. Please note that this is nothing personal. I am simply administering the rules of this Forum.

[noeyesee]

Thank you for being frank at this stage and finally admitting that you are now offering an investment opportunity.

As you had been in this Forum long enough to know, and having read my responses and warnings to all who had advertised on the Forum, we have this policy against any solicitations for business and advertisements.

As such, since you are now offering people to contact you on such an investment, I have no choice but to terminate your membership in this Forum. Please note that this is nothing personal. I am simply administering the rules of this Forum.


Bro, nothing personal but isn't it better you explain and back your statement in Health Issue - True or False? You are the moderator so is your right and is your duty to ban anyone that break the rules.

Clear your name in the Health Issue - True or False regarding your accusation about the accuracy of test which is wrong and your believe is right. You just cant close the case like that akin killing the witness as dead man say nothing(cos u hv ban klubstir aka me)

Now, back your statement with some solid proof or else just admit you are wrong to mislead the reader with "your believe" which has nothing to solid to back up your statement. Is now or never bro but I always understand it will need a man to admit his mistake and apologize....

Well, should we wait and see what sort of excuse you will be coming up next to to avoid admitting your mistake... You are good at twisting just like MSM...


p/s I not looking for any arguement with you but is good not to confuse the public with your unfounded accusation and should I say LIE!!! Back your believe with some proof and I will never never log in and and say anything here again. We doesn't need to be enemy if we cant be friend right? Cheerss bro...


Thanks

[kwchang]

klubstir,
this is not personal and I did not say you were lying.
The reason you were banned is because you were going to promote a business in the Forum by soliciting subscribers to a business of selling genetic tests to others. Business solicitations is not allowed in our rules and hence you were banned.

Now, I would like to make it clear to you that I do not deny the accuracy of the genetic tests in identifying the genes. However, my biological and statistical training disagree with making projections of people's potential risks of disease by refering to genetic markers. As such I do not agree that anyone can be 99.99% sure from a genetic test report that the patient is going to get a disease. This is where your declaration was not accurate. this is different from the ability of the labs in identifying the genes (the 99.99% as reported in the link you gave)

As I had said, this genetic marker thing was already known at least 25 years ago. Why was it not highlighted then? Why suddenly it is brought out as a business after a quarter of a century? I suggest everyone do some research on this.

Just picture this - specific gene markers have been observed to be linked to specific risks and the most popular is the risk of cancer. Now, scientifically, this is based on observations of the gene markers of people who had the disease and through mathematical and statistical inferences, they would probably have come up with the list of cancer risks for example associated to a specific genetic marker. Up to this point I have no dispute.

However, now we see some entrepreneurs cashing in on this situation to make a business out of it. Can you see how dangerous this can be? Someone gets a report and is told that they are 99.99% sure that they will get cancer in future. This sort of prognosis is not very different from fortune-telling. Because, you have negated the influence of the environment and the lifestyle of the individual. A lot of factors within the life of the person can change the outcome. How can someone be allowed to define a death sentence on another person. What are the consequences? Are you responsible for the psychological reactions of the patient? Will you be responsible and accountable to his family if he commits suicide on hearing a bad prognosis?

You are not even talking about trained people. Laymen paying up RM1,000 to get into the franchise of selling genetic marker test results. You are talking about resellers proclaiming to patients that they have a 99.99% chance of contracting cancer in the future. This is like handing an M16 to the laymen. Where are the trained professionals? the doctors? the genticists? You are putting this into the hands of laymen with perhaps a manual that lists all the known major diseases linked to some laboratory profile.

I do not know how to put this to you. I cannot say if you are able to grasp how the scientific and medical community come to conclusions on health situations and health risks. The medical professionals are TRAINED to make conclusions and that involves not just 6 years of medical training but many more years of practical experience. Suddenly someone from Shanghai adds the genetic technology to scientific conclusions and come up with a business, to allow untrained laymen to advice patients about their medical risks? This is very dangerous.

If you tell me the MMA accepts this practice, then you have something to stand on. Tell me the FDA allows laymen to sell risk analyses to patients. Go check all these out.

However, you will not be able to tell us because you are banned.