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27-12-2008, 05:10 PM
Is all vegetable good for man health? Can a man with low blood pressure eat celery? The answer is most probably NO... If been given a chance would you like to knew what kind of disease you inherited and prevent it?

To be frank, I not a doctor but if you ask a doctor they will agree that genetic testing will change the way you look at your health and lead a better life... I come across about genetic testing recently when a friend of mine show me his report which 99.99% precisely point out that kind of disease in his genes and how to prevent it...

His parent do not have the history of cancer but in the report it stated he do have a cancer genes which doesn't mean he already has cancer? he must avoid some medicine, food or somethg that will stimulate his cancer genes to become a cancer. Let me put it this way, if your knew that if you throw a stone at beehives and the bee will attack you: will you throw stone at the beehives?

YES, a person with a cancer genes doesn't mean he will have it unless he stimulate it but the question is how do u know either u have it an how not to stimulate it? The different between Medical Checkup and Genetic Testing is that Medical Checkup report will show you what kind of disease you already have and how to CURE it but Genetic Testing will show you exactly what kind of disease your genes has and how to PREVENT it...

Everyone usually carries 5-8 disease susceptible genes due to genetic load. These people are much easier to get such disease with the trigger of external inducement. Susceptible gene testing aims to collect blood or buccal sample from such people to compare with the gene data of normal people, thus identify the specific disease susceptible genes and evaluating the risks of getting specific diseases compare with normal people. The significance of this testing is to minimize the group incidence of various diseases, to prevent from clinical misdiagnosing, to avoid the risk factors that will trigger the susceptible genes, such as environment, food and medicine etc., thus ensuring a better health care.

Disease susceptible gene testing is totally different from medical and clinic diagnose. Susceptibility is not the inevitability of disease, and the result of carrying disease susceptible gene doesn’t mean that you’ve acquired such disease or you will certainly have it. For many diseases, even a person obtains such disease susceptible genes; they are not likely to occur if not induced by external susceptible conditions. The significance of testing is to help you to regulate your own living habit, thus avoiding various external inducements and minimizing the risk of getting diseases.

Now I going to do my own test with my family member after i understand clearly about genes test even it cost me some RM but is ok... I always believe what is the point of becoming the wealthiest person if I do not have the health to enjoy it? Sorry ya, i pun takut mati oh...hehe...

Here is some link related to genetic testing..

Genes Test Better Predict Breast Cancer (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/585332)

What is the use of genes testing (http://www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEPC/NIH/gene10.php)

06-01-2009, 05:28 PM
I surprise this post has been moved to this HEALTH ISSUES - TRUE or FALSE... Well, is his forum so he can do anything he like and deem fit....

I think the one misleading is not this post but the person that moved it here that mislead other towards this post.U mean the person that moved the post over here is much more clever than those scientist from 6 countries that completed Human Genome Sequencing and come out with those health statement?

I urged the person that moved the post over here to do his/her own research before putting this under TRUE or FALSE sort of thing.

Ask any doctor and see either what I posted is true or false. If what I posted is completely false, BAN me from entering this forum forever. This information is extracted and edit from other source of medical journal and even from FDA.

Sorry mate. Look like someone mislead again. Over to your my friend...

06-01-2009, 06:23 PM
It is simply because of a declaration you made of being 99.99% sure of knowing one's disposition to specific diseases and your willingness to spend a lot of money to get this genetic profile.

I do not dispute the science - I had clarified in post #5 here (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?p=334363#post334363)

My dispute is that such "little knowledge" can be a dangerous thing. If this is highlighted like a miracle window to our future, do you know what is going to happen? I will be your fortune-teller and I can tell you someone will advertise his offer to "scientifically" reveal your FUTURE health profile for RMx,xxx - WOW!

Good and bad - this is creating opportunities for people to be duped, to be conned. However, I do not deny that if used properly, such biotechnology can bring about better health. However, until some good management practices are put in place, we are going top see opportunists making money out of ignorant laymen.

By the way, I am also a statistician by training - in medical and biological sciences, we seldom get 99.99% assurance. In life, there are so many biological and environmental factors that deviate the "perfect" situation that such statistical significance is practically impossible. I am uncomfortable with such language because they are only used with the intention of convincing skeptics.

I have this nagging feeling that someone will come forth to promote a "special offer" for genetic marker tests. You can be assured that my "banana plantation" will immediately open its doors the moment that situation arises.

06-01-2009, 07:15 PM

visit this for more information - Completion of Human Genome Project (http://www.genome.gov/11006929)

You can read in the article that the accuracy of such test is 99.99%... You mean what you study and your qualification is higher than those folks? If yes then I think you are either a professor or a very good medical practitioner that are in the wrong place. I think IHGSP cant reach you la to be part of the project la bro, If not now u are Datuk Chang like Datuk Sheikh Mustapha...

"The finished sequence produced by the Human Genome Project covers about 99 percent of the human genome's gene-containing regions, and it has been sequenced to an accuracy of 99.99 percent"

The test is will be available in Malaysia after Chinese New Year. To offer the test, one need to obtain license. I not a doctor but those information are from a group of scientist and doctor that involved in the project.

06-01-2009, 09:12 PM
Genetic testing, eh?
I see shades of Gattaca.
Why can't we just live life as is? Do we really want to know everything?
Surely, that takes the meaning out of it, no?

06-01-2009, 11:54 PM
...a friend of mine show me his report which 99.99% precisely point out that kind of disease in his genes...
is very different from

sequenced to an accuracy of 99.99 percent

This is what statisticians call the misuse of statistics
For me, I will just say you have misunderstood the statistics

For the genome project, the report (translated to laymen English) says that the identification of the genes by the scientists are 99.99% accurate. I have no problem with that because it relates to the accuracy of identifying the nucleic acid sequencing in the human genome

What you said in post #1 above is an entirely different thing altogether - you said that the gene test report is 99.99% sure in interpreting the types of diseases in your friend. What you are saying here is that the laboratory test result is 99.99% confident of predicting someone's risk of getting a specific disease later in his life. Statistically, this is not true because it means there is a perfect correlation between the test and the possibility of getting a disease. Statistically, this is saying that if you had 10,000 people getting their gene marker reading results tomorrow, you can bet your last dollar that 9,999 of them will end up with the disease they are supposed to get as predicted from the interpretation of the results. Only 1 of them would not end up with the disease they were supposed to get. In order to show that this is true, you need to be there in the future when they finally contract the disease. Is there a scientific verification of this as fact?

My friend, please do not throw numbers around to convince people that what you are trying to promote is supremely accurate. In life there is only one such certainty - that is we will all die one day! Apart from that it is highly unlikely to get 99.99% confidence in predicting anything.

07-01-2009, 11:20 AM
Sorry if i talking to the wrong person which is highly educated in medical science and as Malaysian I should proud of you. You mean what you believe is correct and what those researcher done is wrong by saying 99.99% accuracy in the test?

You are trying to show that you have a great knowledge which no one should question you even in the report stated otherwise?

Bro, if you are so convince that 99.99% accuracy is wrong, back with some proof that your believe is correct compare to the statement issue by FDA back by a 13 years of research....

As I said, I not a doctor but whatever information I shared here is extract and edited from those reliable source. Yes, I agree with you that one thing for certain is that all of us will day one day, for sure but you do not need to become a scientists to know that dont you?

The issue here is that, dont you want to prevent a diseases before it too late and lead a healthier life rather then spend all our hard earned money into TREATMENT instead? Prevention is better that Cure, my fren.