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Sugarfree
19-11-2008, 09:32 AM
oooooohhhh noooooooo! :eek: this is the ultimate humiliation for a man, isn't it? pray that doesn't happen to you, guys! :D

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/11/19/nation/2582545&sec=nation

AllUrban
19-11-2008, 10:04 AM
oooooohhhh noooooooo! :eek: this is the ultimate humiliation for a man, isn't it? pray that doesn't happen to you, guys! :D

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/11/19/nation/2582545&sec=nationso that's the reason behind the fatwa against tomboys - dont want people to be humiliated...:p that's gonna work well....

Cheers, m

irisbaggins
19-11-2008, 10:17 AM
Perhaps man can learn a thing or two from a tomboy......

Sugarfree
19-11-2008, 10:33 AM
Perhaps man can learn a thing or two from a tomboy......hahahaa...it takes a girl to understand a girl..get what i mean? so, you're right, irisbaggins. men should be learning from tomboys on how to please a woman. ;)

irisbaggins
19-11-2008, 10:45 AM
Please a woman i do know much le....
But how to understand a woman, can la....

umadavid
19-11-2008, 11:02 AM
Please a woman i do know much le....
But how to understand a woman, can la....
You do or don't :confused:

bslee
19-11-2008, 11:05 AM
You do or don't :confused:

There's also the common saying, head rules over the heart or heart over the head. Which one is you (I mean everyone)?

bugbear
19-11-2008, 11:12 AM
These Tomboy issue is nothing but homosexuality issue in reality. The Jheain should just come out in the open to say it as it is. Take the above story for example, whether tomboy or not, the fact is that this is an issue of lebianism to the core.

Sugarfree
19-11-2008, 11:32 AM
These Tomboy issue is nothing but homosexuality issue in reality. Take the above story for example, whether tomboy or not, the fact is that this is an issue of lesbianism to the core.exactly my point. and the tomboy must be pressing all the right buttons to make her divorce the husband and stay with her instead. ;)

Justme123
19-11-2008, 12:21 PM
exactly my point. and the tomboy must be pressing all the right buttons to make her divorce the husband and stay with her instead. ;)It need not be a 'button' issue. There are married men of all ages divorcing their partner to live with another guy or tranvestite. Does that mean the 'tranny' has a better techniques of pressing or handling whatever.

IMO, generally, the critical factor is genes, brain-wirings and nurturing which manifest uncontrollable emotions that drive a person to take such drastic alternatives.

The 6 billion humans on Earth are not generic male or female robots. Human sexuality lies on a continuum from the most macho at one end to the most feminine on the other. As with others in nature, there will be a small percentage of those who are in between with various genes and degrees of both sexes. At 1%, there is already 60 millions of such people on Earth. I think it may be higher than 1%.

Maybe a partner should be subjected to genetical, psychological and other testings before marrying the other to avoid the obvious. If not, then, one will to have accept and bear with the consequences.

joker2107
19-11-2008, 01:21 PM
These Tomboy issue is nothing but homosexuality issue in reality. The Jheain should just come out in the open to say it as it is. Take the above story for example, whether tomboy or not, the fact is that this is an issue of lebianism to the core.
grow up! homosexuality, gays, lesbians - they are, for all you know, probably biological defects which the bearers have no control over. besides, as adults, what they do in private is their own perogative. you have not been in their bodies, nay, not even spoken to them yet. what were your stands when dsai was charged with sodomy? any element of double standards?

in this case, it is sad to me because the man found out only when the child told him what the mother was doing in bed. there's no lines to read between. think again - what is the major issue here - the partnership of two consenting adults? or the undeterred observation by a minor? :mad:

QuietStorm
19-11-2008, 06:01 PM
I'm most curious. What did the husband do or rather, did not do ;) that drove his wife into the arms of the tomboy? :D

Sentinel
19-11-2008, 10:44 PM
When the Fatwa does finally come into effect, does that mean people (including one possible Minister) cannot parade around in pant suits or jeans anymore? Just wondering, no name mentioned, so no need for banana yah...

bugbear
20-11-2008, 02:03 AM
When the Fatwa does finally come into effect, does that mean people (including one possible Minister) cannot parade around in pant suits or jeans anymore? Just wondering, no name mentioned, so no need for banana yah...
That fatwa is not applicable to MP more so of the BN variety. :D

bugbear
20-11-2008, 02:11 AM
grow up! homosexuality, gays, lesbians - they are, for all you know, probably biological defects which the bearers have no control over. besides, as adults, what they do in private is their own perogative. you have not been in their bodies, nay, not even spoken to them yet. what were your stands when dsai was charged with sodomy? any element of double standards?

in this case, it is sad to me because the man found out only when the child told him what the mother was doing in bed. there's no lines to read between. think again - what is the major issue here - the partnership of two consenting adults? or the undeterred observation by a minor? :mad:
Whether you like it or not, that is what the fatwas is all about. Homosexuality!! Islam do not look kindly on homosexuality. IMO, homosexuality is not in born as you so suggested. It is an acquired trait. The important thing is not to hate the person but hate the action. We must differentiate it. With love and proper guidance, these people can be rehabilitate to be normal again.

AllUrban
20-11-2008, 09:48 AM
Whether you like it or not, that is what the fatwas is all about. Homosexuality!! Islam do not look kindly on homosexuality. IMO, homosexuality is not in born as you so suggested. It is an acquired trait. The important thing is not to hate the person but hate the action. We must differentiate it. With love and proper guidance, these people can be rehabilitate to be normal again.Islam is not the only religion that does not look kindly on homosexuality.

What interests me is: why is it that in many societies, male homosexuality is a major societal issue (taboo/crime/shameful) while female homosexuality is seen as a less controversial issue, described in euphemisms (tomboy) and almost laughed off (see some of the postings in this thread).

Cheers, m

Blue Jasmine
20-11-2008, 01:17 PM
Islam is not the only religion that does not look kindly on homosexuality.

What interests me is: why is it that in many societies, male homosexuality is a major societal issue (taboo/crime/shameful) while female homosexuality is seen as a less controversial issue, described in euphemisms (tomboy) and almost laughed off (see some of the postings in this thread).

Cheers, m


IMO homosexuality is almost like a nothing or no big deal stuff. Most highly sought after single males are that. I think one of my single female fren said ..good men hard to get..if really good already married...and the really good single ones are just not our type!!!

MasterQ
20-11-2008, 01:46 PM
My good friend neighbour told me that she has great marriage problem. When I asked if her husband ran away with another woman, she said worst than that. When I asked what could be worst than running away with another woman, she said sadly "he ran away with another man."

QuietStorm
20-11-2008, 02:30 PM
Hahaha....that isn't as great a humiliation as the wife leaving the hubby for another woman, IMHO. :D

firefox
20-11-2008, 04:02 PM
We all live in a very strange world, with strange happennings everyday, it makes the world go round...live and let live that is my motto.

bugbear
20-11-2008, 04:23 PM
Islam is not the only religion that does not look kindly on homosexuality.

What interests me is: why is it that in many societies, male homosexuality is a major societal issue (taboo/crime/shameful) while female homosexuality is seen as a less controversial issue, described in euphemisms (tomboy) and almost laughed off (see some of the postings in this thread).

Cheers, m
Agreed that Christianity also make a distinction concerning homosexuality. What we have coming out of US most of the time does not represent what Christianity is all about. I believe homosexuality both male and female to be a social problem which if left uncheck will cause further worsening to our social fabric and so call asian value. Please do not take lightly this social problem.
Looking at the mighty US, we can see so much social problem there today. I bet the founding fathers of the nation is turning in their grave with great distress. From the Pilgrim progress movement to now, what a world of change. :o

chin_wan
20-11-2008, 05:09 PM
I thought men's ultimate humiliation is these 3 words:

IS IT IN?

Sugarfree
20-11-2008, 05:25 PM
IS IT IN?that's exactly the reason why she left him! :eek:

Blue Jasmine
20-11-2008, 05:32 PM
My good friend neighbour told me that she has great marriage problem. When I asked if her husband ran away with another woman, she said worst than that. When I asked what could be worst than running away with another woman, she said sadly "he ran away with another man."


oh my....i wouldnt know what to do if i were her. ...what would you all do if confront with these? something to ponder on....really speechless...

Sugarfree
20-11-2008, 05:38 PM
oh my....i wouldnt know what to do if i were her...really speechless...bj, it's quite easy, really. you go out and look for a real man. ;)

kwchang
20-11-2008, 05:54 PM
Time to close, this is getting no where but lewd suggestions are beginning to get discussed?

bugbear
21-11-2008, 11:21 AM
Time to close, this is getting no where but lewd suggestions are beginning to get discussed?
I second that motion chang. :D

QuietStorm
21-11-2008, 01:09 PM
In the spirit of freedom of speech, I say no. :)

MasterQ
21-11-2008, 05:01 PM
We ban politic here. Now we are about to ban lewd suggestion. What is next? Don't tell me that if these action not stop here, it is not safe walking here as there are sex maniac hiding behind the bush. Once a while let the forumers have some fun so long as they syiok sendiri. Take action only when there is a complain lah. The complain must be posted here - no PM punya method.

joker2107
21-11-2008, 08:59 PM
In the spirit of freedom of speech, I say no. :)
a little cheekiness and mischief now and then is okay with me but you gotta learn to differentiate the occasions. changs comments refers to absolute diversions from the original post. also, all you fellas who deem yourself matured can only look at the sexual connotation in the story. what about the child that was mentioned? if i bold this tragedy, somebodys gonna complain that i am shouting again. so please hear my quiet shout, nay, i am screaming for your attention toward the poor little kid who had to see it all and be the middleman between the parents' woes.

QuietStorm
21-11-2008, 11:16 PM
Joker, everyone has their own take on a subject. some may choose to look at the lighter side of things, others, serious. There will also be some who will choose to offer their advice, etc. Different people react differently to a situation. No wrong, no right. I shall not oppose those who choose to voice a different opinion and similarly I hope they will listen to what I have to say, too. This is what freedom of speech is all about. :)

Master Q, my sentiments exact. Oh, by the way...this is weird. I didn't realize it earlier but MQ brought it to my attenton. MQ and I shared the same IP address!! What's happening? We are definitely different people from different locations. Why did that happen? Anyone can explain?

AllUrban
24-11-2008, 11:03 AM
there was a very interesting interview of a member of the Fatwa Council in the Star newspaper yesterday, discussing their views of this issue.

Apparently, the restrictions on "pengkid/tomboy" are "preventitive" and are not intended to be sexist or discriminatory (except against mulsims and gays, I suppose).

It will be interesting to see which of the recent fatwa goes further...say no to yoga or 'pengkid/tomboys'

Cheers, m