PDA

View Full Version : Discounts on toll if you drive at night between 12.00and 7.00am



firefox
18-11-2008, 01:29 PM
Thats what the authorities are saying and more discounts during the festive periods. Only for these two highways on the North-South Expressway (Plus) and North-South Expressway Central Link (Elite).

For a start it might be a good remedy to spread the heavy traffic during these period and to enjoy the reductions but it can also create more accidents by reckless drivers..what do you think? I may not enjoy these priveliges as i am a bad night driver.


http://www1.malaysiakini.com/news/93273

Mammoth
18-11-2008, 01:47 PM
Not worth the discounts if it risk your life to drive during midnight.

chewie
18-11-2008, 02:35 PM
i prefer midnight driving or early morning driving.

but my question is,

1) what if you enter the toll at 6am and you are heading towards Ipoh.. Estimated time to reach Ipoh is about 730am... will I still able to get the 10% discount or I have to leave the toll before 7am to enjoy the discount ?

2) I enter the toll at 11pm..and i leave at 2 am... will i enjoy the 10% discount ?

bslee
18-11-2008, 07:14 PM
All this discount ain't very beneficial to ALL!.. They're NOT sincere.
Want to be sincere, just give a fat discount across the board unconditionally!.. PERIOD!. This is Malaysia for all!.. good luck!

patrick
18-11-2008, 08:58 PM
Savings is one thing. With all the crimes these days, is driving at those unearthly hours safe? I'd rather pay more and feel secured.

pucman
18-11-2008, 09:42 PM
Not worth the discounts if it risk your life to drive during midnight.

Very few people drive at those ungodly hours. :rolleyes:

So the discounts are actually not sincere. :mad:

If it is from 8 pm to 12 midnight, it would be much better. :D

USJ27Resident
18-11-2008, 09:53 PM
Speaking about TOLLED roads, I think the biggest rip-off at ANY TOLL station in Malaysia is at Sunway LDP toll... freaking amount of cars there every morning is beyong discription... you are caught in a jam before PAYING and you are caught in a jam AFTER paying.... and if you are really REALLY UNLUCKY, your smarttag would get "beeped", for the car in front of you - effectively charging you TWICE !!! :mad:

Basically all tolled roads in Malaysia came about because of the Govt's failure in having it priorities stuck up the wrong ****hole.... oh...no thanks to Mr Samy!

No way LDP is gonna be giving any discounts... Sunway is what you would call their Golden Goose... or Cash Cow!!! :rolleyes:

bslee
18-11-2008, 09:57 PM
oh...no thanks to Mr Samy!


Its not him alone lah!.. the whole jing bang of you know who.
If the gahmen is really sincere, they should be buying up every tolled road. If i recall right, they did talk about it..AND?... your guess is as good as mine.

USJ27Resident
18-11-2008, 10:00 PM
Its not him alone lah!.. the whole jing bang of you know who.

LoL !!! Jingbang!! :D Now thats one world I haven't seen or heard in a long time....
[wife is now staring at me for laughing at a laptop screen!! :eek: ]

USJ27Resident
19-11-2008, 12:33 AM
If i recall right, they did talk about it..AND?... your guess is as good as mine.

They did... they did... then they forgot - AFTER the election. :rolleyes:

pucman
19-11-2008, 12:34 AM
No way LDP is gonna be giving any discounts... Sunway is what you would call their Golden Goose... or Cash Cow!!! :rolleyes:

What to do ? Most things are monopolised in Msia like astro, TM Net, TNB etc. LDP is a monopoly because we don't have much choice.

Whether we like it or not, still have to pay. :(

USJ27Resident
19-11-2008, 12:43 AM
Whether we like it or not, still have to pay. :(

Not true... CHANGE the Federal Govt and you'd see the end of all this nonsense!!! :)

bslee
19-11-2008, 12:51 AM
Not true... CHANGE the Federal Govt and you'd see the end of all this nonsense!!! :)

Errrr.. then some jing bang may just start a war that some "rights" are eroded and lost, and that could only be the beginning.(remember what happened to the PKNS interim measure?) Dangerous minds lurk around us all the time!. I too wish its all too easy.

Longfellow
19-11-2008, 07:22 AM
Speaking about TOLLED roads, I think the biggest rip-off at ANY TOLL station in Malaysia is at Sunway LDP toll... freaking amount of cars there every morning is beyong discription... you are caught in a jam before PAYING and you are caught in a jam AFTER paying.... and if you are really REALLY UNLUCKY, your smarttag would get "beeped", for the car in front of you - effectively charging you TWICE !!! :mad:

Basically all tolled roads in Malaysia came about because of the Govt's failure in having it priorities stuck up the wrong ****hole.... oh...no thanks to Mr Samy!

No way LDP is gonna be giving any discounts... Sunway is what you would call their Golden Goose... or Cash Cow!!! :rolleyes:


Unlike New Pantai and Kesas Highway. LDP were built on existing road except the short stretch at Sunway to Puchong. Take note there are 4 tolls on LDP and not one but 3 are cash cows.

I heard LDP staffs bonus are FAT.

Mammoth
19-11-2008, 08:14 AM
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp257/USJForum/title.jpg
This was what published in one of the major newspaper. Sadly to say, the toll operator seems like very proud in announcing this incentive, not taking into consideration of the dangerousness of driving at night.

firefox
19-11-2008, 08:18 AM
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time....
Abraham Lincoln.

fRaNkY
19-11-2008, 08:39 AM
I betcha more accidents will happen between those hours... people falling asleep during driving :D

joker2107
19-11-2008, 01:09 PM
errr... i gotta differ with regards to driving safety.
i prefer nite, or rather predawn driving. thats the time i feel safest on the highways - least traffic, most either going too fast for me or keeping well out of my way. no irritating heat or blinding glare. no need to look in the rear view mirror. as long as vehicle in front has proper tail lights, forward visibility is a km or two away. keep to your lane and nobody's gonna weave betwen you and road pillars. nobody's gonna cut in from the emergency lane. less chances of storms and blinding rains. cooler roads take less toll (pardon the pun) on the rolling rubbers.

the negatives are self created - rest well before driving - anyway, most point to point travel is less than 4 hours. drink if you must but piss enough too to minimise need to stop. the major r & r are normally well lit and safe - if you are not comfortable, use the loo at the petrol stations beside the r&r. lots of criminal opportunities are figment of imagination of an idle mind.

what i find disgusting about this discount offer is there's no details - like in/out time as mentioned by chewie. it may be a discount but the real amount is rather insignificant. 14 and a half years ago i wrote to a cacophony of authorities proposing that vehicles without proper tail lights be barred from entering tolled highways - nothing happened except unlit vehicles being upended from their backs - not sure if anwar was involved - after all he was a decision maker when the concessions were signed) ;) . but the mother of all insults is to suggest that giving discount is a corporate social responsibility. :( :confused: pppphhhhhuuuuiiiittttt! :eek: :mad: for all the lack of transparency and extortion over the years, they have the ignominy of disgracing csr!

longfellow, you forgot about sprint - much of it is existing alignment, in the process robbing the surrounding neighbourhood of tax payer funded interchange at sect 16 and sect 17 junctions. if they took road design lessons from me, the system would have provided much more seamless connectivity and been much less confusing, much less congestive, and much cheaper and faster to build, and occupy much less footprint, andthey would have pocketed fatter bonuses. THAT would have been the first step in csr.

chewie
19-11-2008, 01:39 PM
read the papers today.... the discount applies from the time you exit the toll plaza...

chin_wan
19-11-2008, 02:00 PM
i prefer midnight driving or early morning driving.

but my question is,

1) what if you enter the toll at 6am and you are heading towards Ipoh.. Estimated time to reach Ipoh is about 730am... will I still able to get the 10% discount or I have to leave the toll before 7am to enjoy the discount ?

2) I enter the toll at 11pm..and i leave at 2 am... will i enjoy the 10% discount ?

According to PLUS (see http://www.plus.com.my/article/article_view.asp?id={3B97D965-7F49-4C80-AD85-062E348900EA} ) they only calculate when you exit. So if you reach Ipoh at 11:59PM, you still pay full fare.

firefox
19-11-2008, 02:57 PM
I dont umderstand why the government is encouraging night driving, but then again whould they care? As i see it its just a publicity stunt, obviously many will apperciate it though.

kwchang
19-11-2008, 03:34 PM
During the wee hours of the morning, when there are less traffic, shouldn't the concessionaires charge less? It is similar to paying less for hotel stays during the off-peak seasons.

Hey, just say thank you for the offer. It does not mean you must use it at that ungodly hour. Why is it anything and everything still elicit a complaint, regardless?

Jey
19-11-2008, 03:47 PM
During the wee hours of the morning, when there are less traffic, shouldn't the concessionaires charge less? It is similar to paying less for hotel stays during the off-peak seasons.

Hey, just say thank you for the offer. It does not mean you must use it at that ungodly hour. Why is it anything and everything still elicit a complaint, regardless?

Malaysians are generous with complaints? :D :D :D

clfoo
20-11-2008, 01:29 AM
this is better than nothing, at least PLUS show some CSR and prove that it can be done. Now semi value pls tell me why u said toll price taboo to be reduced and contract cannot be revealed during your time :mad:, voters made a brilliant choice indeed, and you can do better :rolleyes: .

imho, more ppl can benefit if Touch n Go is the one that can give rebate with every top up, this will increase their popularity better than advertisement, easy money for them anyway and pay us no interest on money kept there. Do anybody know how they charge their comission per transaction? by % or fix fee? if by %, then any price increase they are always the silent beneficial without need to sweat. TnG, with your monopoly show your CSR.

AllUrban
20-11-2008, 09:54 AM
this is better than nothing, at least PLUS show some CSR and prove that it can be done. Now semi value pls tell me why u said toll price taboo to be reduced and contract cannot be revealed during your time :mad:, voters made a brilliant choice indeed, and you can do better :rolleyes: .

imho, more ppl can benefit if Touch n Go is the one that can give rebate with every top up, this will increase their popularity better than advertisement, easy money for them anyway and pay us no interest on money kept there. Do anybody know how they charge their comission per transaction? by % or fix fee? if by %, then any price increase they are always the silent beneficial without need to sweat. TnG, with your monopoly show your CSR.better CSR would be to close the Batu Tiga toll plaza and the other toll plaza on the federal highway (iirc there is 1 more)

That would reduce the traffic heading through USJ, cut costs for residents of Shah Alam and Klang, cut costs for bus operators, and reduce pollution overall.

Cheers, m

joker2107
20-11-2008, 12:42 PM
this is better than nothing, at least PLUS show some CSR
sorry, clfoo, but you are obviously among the majority who have a grevious misconception about csr. csr is not about charity. csr is not about giving discounts. csr is not about planting a couple of trees and posing for media photos with a watering can in hand. csr begins with accountability, transparency and corporate governance. all the toll projects fail csr, with an absolute zero, at the first step. csr is about value adding. it is about capacity building. it is about how to improve business by ethical and sustainable activities and usage of resources. csr is about continuous improvement processes. there is much more to csr, and santa claus' role is definitely not one of them - that kind of csr stands for cunning social rip-off. i was at the nacra 2008 award presentation just last nite, and one of the winners for the csr category is in the same stable of companies as the one which is depicted in the picture here :

says hell of a lot for corporate understanding of csr, doesn't it? :(

bslee
20-11-2008, 12:57 PM
Talking about TnG, its been a lame and stagnant system since a decade ago. One can't renew at ANY toll gate. They have stipulated operation/top-up period at the gate. By now after nearly 2 decades and its not really improved.
What more can I say..Its LAME!.. typical Malaysia Boleh syndrome!.

MasterQ
20-11-2008, 02:57 PM
read the papers today.... the discount applies from the time you exit the toll plaza...
Then I can imagine people speeding like hell to exit in time to enjoy the discount. People will also turn ugly jumping queue like crazy. This is something PLUS cannot prevent.

PLUS should not give the discount like that one. If they are sincere, they should give 20% discount for minimum top up of RM 50. Easier to manage. People will be encourage to use Touch n Go card. PLUS save on hiring less staff to jaga toll booth and earn buta interest.

They must also not charge us an additional 50 sen whenever we top up at the banks or petrol stations. Instead, PLUS should pay these outlets for their services as their cost of sales.

And what crap CSR they are talking about?

patrick
21-11-2008, 01:22 PM
Then I can imagine people speeding like hell to exit in time to enjoy the discount. People will also turn ugly jumping queue like crazy. This is something PLUS cannot prevent.

PLUS should not give the discount like that one. If they are sincere, they should give 20% discount for minimum top up of RM 50. Easier to manage. People will be encourage to use Touch n Go card. PLUS save on hiring less staff to jaga toll booth and earn buta interest.

They must also not charge us an additional 50 sen whenever we top up at the banks or petrol stations. Instead, PLUS should pay these outlets for their services as their cost of sales.

And what crap CSR they are talking about?

Couldnt agree with you more. Everytime I fume when I have to pay the topping up charge of 50sens and also the additional charge for using T & G as certain carparks. Why the hell should we pay for these charges which should be for their cost of doing business!!! How can the authority allow such rip off??? To me its almost like everytime you go to the petrol station to top up your petrol, using your credit card and the station impose a surcharge for using their card reader. Is that morally correct?

Make money, you want. Picking up the cost of doing business, you pass it to the consumers!! Any idiots can run such business!!!

bslee
21-11-2008, 06:47 PM
Make money, you want. Picking up the cost of doing business, you pass it to the consumers!! Any idiots can run such business!!!

What to do?..this is typical in Malaysia. Malpractices can be argued, long process for justice to be served. Meanwhile they make hay while there's sun, at OUR expense and possible dissatisfaction. People, don't make a mistake next when you mark the box on that sheet of paper next.
Anyway, thousands of motorists got CHEATED after paying RM1.60 or more toll at Old Klang Road heading towards Sunway and SJ, getting caught in a 3 mile long jam after toll towards Sunway. I was one of them last night.

pepsi
21-11-2008, 07:01 PM
According to PLUS (see http://www.plus.com.my/article/article_view.asp?id={3B97D965-7F49-4C80-AD85-062E348900EA} ) they only calculate when you exit. So if you reach Ipoh at 11:59PM, you still pay full fare.
:eek: Huh ????
Perhaps the driver should hold up the queue till it's time to enjoy the discount.
:D
Imagine a number of cars parked near the toll waiting to enjoy the discount ?
If they arrive like about 5-10 minutes too early ? :)

coleslaw
21-11-2008, 08:43 PM
:eek: Huh ????
Perhaps the driver should hold up the queue till it's time to enjoy the discount.
:D
Imagine a number of cars parked near the toll waiting to enjoy the discount ?
If they arrive like about 5-10 minutes too early ? :)
friend, all this for a 10% discount?.. :eek: :rolleyes:
taking into account a waste of precious time and petrol...nah, it's not worth it.

pepsi
21-11-2008, 10:27 PM
friend, all this for a 10% discount?.. :eek: :rolleyes:
taking into account a waste of precious time and petrol...nah, it's not worth it.
ha...ha...in short 10% discount is "peanuts" and not worth the aggravation and hassle ? :D
Habis cerita.... :)

bslee
22-11-2008, 09:52 AM
ha...ha...in short 10% discount is "peanuts" and not worth the aggravation and hassle ? :D
Habis cerita.... :)

I still harbor it all that the discount isn't a sincere effort, perhaps just to appease the gahmen...NOT the rakyat!
I expect: a) Good discount across the board for all. b) OPEN the gates (free toll) if the route after the toll gate is jammed!.

pepsi
22-11-2008, 01:19 PM
I still harbor it all that the discount isn't a sincere effort, perhaps just to appease the gahmen...NOT the rakyat!
I expect: a) Good discount across the board for all. b) OPEN the gates (free toll) if the route after the toll gate is jammed!.
More cars , more collection...why would they open the gates ?
Staggering the hours is the right idea but from 12 am to 7am is just kind of "limited".
Discount between 5am-7am makes sense because it would encourage people to leave earlier and go into work early,

Discount from 12 am onwards ? I have my reservations that this time frame would benefit the rakyat.

Perhaps PLUS can identify another time schedule before 12 am which is not so jam. :)

ceo684
23-11-2008, 02:47 AM
Should follow ERP time-based pricing.

USJ27Resident
23-11-2008, 11:41 AM
b) OPEN the gates (free toll) if the route after the toll gate is jammed!.

This would be the toll operators reaction "Why on earth for... :rolleyes:.. just shut up and pay.... why, because we've paid the Govt oredi... now it our turn to squeeze you stupid road users.... and as one would have said, if you don't want to pay - don't use... find another alternative!"

bslee
23-11-2008, 01:52 PM
find another alternative!"

And do all realize the most jammed roads are at turn offs and coincidently they're the narrowest. Classic example is at Sunway turn off to LDP.

Thats another Malaysia Boleh for all! Stupid road planning, Malaysian shortsightedness!

compounding
23-11-2008, 05:37 PM
if Im a PLUS shareholder... I'll say, scrap the whole discount plan.. :D

instead of giving the public the 10% discount from 12 to 7am (which caused many complaints ) why not give a RM200 Touch & Go to shareholders who comes for AGM...i'm sure shareholders will accept it with gratitude... :D

pepsi
23-11-2008, 09:04 PM
if Im a PLUS shareholder... I'll say, scrap the whole discount plan.. :D

instead of giving the public the 10% discount from 12 to 7am (which caused many complaints ) why not give a RM200 Touch & Go to shareholders who comes for AGM...i'm sure shareholders will accept it with gratitude... :D
ha...ha an interesthing idea..... :D

AllUrban
24-11-2008, 11:39 AM
if Im a PLUS shareholder... I'll say, scrap the whole discount plan.. :D

instead of giving the public the 10% discount from 12 to 7am (which caused many complaints ) why not give a RM200 Touch & Go to shareholders who comes for AGM...i'm sure shareholders will accept it with gratitude... :Dm thinks that PLUS should consider the following

*higher tolls for SOB's (I mean, SOV's) to encourage carpooling and a peak hours surcharge to regulate travel demand.
*no tolls for urban public transport (RapidKL, CityLiner, Metrobus, SJ, Selangor, Wawasan Sutera, SKS-KL)
*a new "Bus TAG" to allow excursion, express, intercity, factory, school, and urban buses to pass through toll plazas faster without having to stop
*express lanes for urban buses in the centre lanes of the Federal Highway and NKVE

Cheers, m

clfoo
24-11-2008, 05:04 PM
i think the govt should consider this:

stop reducing the petrol price even barrel price going down further (to discourage more cars on the road, parking problem and pollution), let govt make profit of few billions for few months then buy over remainder 20+% PLUS share ( as khazanah and EPF alone oledi own up to 70+%, btw why govt afraid of their own vehicle to sue them when they dun allow toll increase??? may be that is another sendiwara by itself) so no need to be hold for ransom ever again and free to customize the discount whatever way they want. Spend the compensation money on public transport. You dun need an oxford degree for that right?
:cool:

joker2107
24-11-2008, 08:46 PM
*higher tolls for SOB's (I mean, SOV's) to encourage carpooling and a peak hours surcharge to regulate travel demand.
there's inevitably major constraints in carpooling for a metropolitan valley of countless major townships gergraphically dispersed very very widely. if you do a simple survey among your neighbourhood, you will most likely find serious mismatch in destinations, and i am ignoring timing for now. easy to say usj to kl, but usj is so huge and so is kl. of course, we to push your argument, we could say there is no such thing as door to door delivery.
before carpooling, there should be concerted effort and political will to put in place a competent and effective public transportation system which not just provides short waits and affordable travel, but conectivity too. from usj, you dont want to have to get to kl city centre first just to get to putra heights.

*no tolls for urban public transport (RapidKL, CityLiner, Metrobus, SJ, Selangor, Wawasan Sutera, SKS-KL)
i second this proposal, but it must not be an excuse to raise toll rates for other categories of vehicles

*a new "Bus TAG" to allow excursion, express, intercity, factory, school, and urban buses to pass through toll plazas faster without having to stop
how many such vehicles actually use tolled roads? will it be cost effective? i'd support the idea if there is the numbers, not just for ldp - theres sprint, kesas, elite, npe, kerinchi link, etc.


*express lanes for urban buses in the centre lanes of the Federal Highway and NKVE
a testimony of the total failure of the bus lanes? ;)
when you have so many stops along the federal highway, how can urban buses travel in the centre lane? as it is, traffic cops direct private cars into the bus lanes along the federal highway at the time when the buses need it most. this highway is not merely serving at over capacity - lots of the jams are related to badly designed merging lanes and egress.

how many urban buses use these two highways? is it practical and does it make economic sense to reserve a lane for a very low volume of bus traffic when there is already excessive load without such reservation?

ceo684
25-11-2008, 04:53 AM
m thinks that PLUS should consider the following

*higher tolls for SOB's (I mean, SOV's) to encourage carpooling and a peak hours surcharge to regulate travel demand.
*no tolls for urban public transport (RapidKL, CityLiner, Metrobus, SJ, Selangor, Wawasan Sutera, SKS-KL)
*a new "Bus TAG" to allow excursion, express, intercity, factory, school, and urban buses to pass through toll plazas faster without having to stop
*express lanes for urban buses in the centre lanes of the Federal Highway and NKVE

Cheers, m

Reserve the fast lane for shah-alam and klang bound traffic from asia jaya onwards to subang airport would probably clear 1/2 the traffic already, if they were not cooped up behind sunway-exit ppl who cannot keep left when they blatantly know they want to turn off.

Something like what kesas does at hicom and USJ exits in the morning

AllUrban
25-11-2008, 10:41 AM
*higher tolls for SOB's (I mean, SOV's) to encourage carpooling and a peak hours surcharge to regulate travel demand.
there's inevitably major constraints in carpooling for a metropolitan valley of countless major townships gergraphically dispersed very very widely. if you do a simple survey among your neighbourhood, you will most likely find serious mismatch in destinations, and i am ignoring timing for now. easy to say usj to kl, but usj is so huge and so is kl. of course, we to push your argument, we could say there is no such thing as door to door delivery.
before carpooling, there should be concerted effort and political will to put in place a competent and effective public transportation system which not just provides short waits and affordable travel, but conectivity too. from usj, you dont want to have to get to kl city centre first just to get to putra heights.]I agree that the improvements to the public transport system are necessary but there should be a greater effort to promote carpooling along with the improvements to public transport. The mismatch that you describe does exist but with an integrated public transport system the effect of the mismatch can be reduced.
*no tolls for urban public transport (RapidKL, CityLiner, Metrobus, SJ, Selangor, Wawasan Sutera, SKS-KL)
i second this proposal, but it must not be an excuse to raise toll rates for other categories of vehicles]Agreed.

*a new "Bus TAG" to allow excursion, express, intercity, factory, school, and urban buses to pass through toll plazas faster without having to stop
how many such vehicles actually use tolled roads? will it be cost effective? i'd support the idea if there is the numbers, not just for ldp - theres sprint, kesas, elite, npe, kerinchi link, etc.]I have been working to get the numbers from PLUS Bhd. etc but they are not forthcoming. I do believe that the numbers justify the bus tag for all Klang Valley highways at the very least. Also, look at it from an individual bus perspective tho...slowing down and stopping buses causes wear and tear on the chassis, body, brakes etc. plus forces the bus to slow, idle, stop and accelerate...creating significant pollution as well as risk of traffic congestion, wasting of fuel, risk of collision, etc.
*express lanes for urban buses in the centre lanes of the Federal Highway and NKVE
a testimony of the total failure of the bus lanes? ;)
when you have so many stops along the federal highway, how can urban buses travel in the centre lane? as it is, traffic cops direct private cars into the bus lanes along the federal highway at the time when the buses need it most. this highway is not merely serving at over capacity - lots of the jams are related to badly designed merging lanes and egress.

how many urban buses use these two highways? is it practical and does it make economic sense to reserve a lane for a very low volume of bus traffic when there is already excessive load without such reservation?We dont have bus lanes on these highways so we cannot say that there has been a "total failure" and therefore, this is no testimony. But we do have bus lanes at kerbside on streets in KL and yes, they have not worked well because of poor enforcement and poor design.

There is no way we can expand the supply of highway lanes in the Klang Valley. The only solution available is to transfer some of the demand from single operator vehicles into public transport and carpooling.

The issues such as merging and poor passing etc are design issues but they can be reduced by reducing the shifting of vehicles from lane to lane and general efforts to improve the quality of Malaysian drivers.

Putting bus lanes/busway in the centre of an expressway improves the flow of traffic because there are fewer interactions between buses and cars. Bus lanes in the centre of the expressway/road means that there are no buses pulling in and out of bus stops at the side of the expressway/road - which means that travel on the expressway/road is safer and faster with a smoother flow.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/kos7yk/ZG-nowy/zuerich-1.jpg

- fast passangers exchange (often high platform - equal to the bus floor)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/kos7yk/ZG-nowy/crtb1990bus.jpg

- specific traffic management infrastructure
- clearly identifiable and high-quality stops and stations

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/kos7yk/ZG-nowy/danielsson.jpg

Instead of waiting at the side of the road, passengers would wait/board/alight at box "stations" built in the centre of the expressway or platforms built in the centre of the roads.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/3005343472_751c1aaeea.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/3005343476_26acbb806f.jpg?v=0

Currently the Federal Highway is heavily used by buses along the KL-Klang route. By a simple counting activity there is a bus passing in each direction by every 3 minutes during midday-off peak hours and every 2 minutes during peak hours. Assuming each bus has a capacity of 60 passengers, that is a lot of people being moved.

the NKVE is not being used by buses because of the tolls. Also, the lack of development along the highway (as compared to the federal highway) means fewer potential passengers. However, the NKVE has less traffic congestion and it connects with the DUKE highway....making it an ideal route for a fast, limited-stop public transport link to KL

Building these busways on the Federal and NKVE-DUKE combination will provide two rapid transit corridors linking KL to Klang, at a fraction of the costs of an LRT extension and in 1/4 of the time.

A good busway can move as many as 10,000 passengers per direction per hour...the same as the current capacity of the Kelena Jaya LRT and the same as the combined vehicle throughput of the Federal Highway + KESAS + NKVE.

Cheers, m

gary yap
25-11-2008, 10:45 AM
Alternatively, they can give rebates all day when a user switch from one operator to another e.g. from Kesas to LDP 10%-off.

AllUrban
25-11-2008, 11:01 AM
Alternatively, they can give rebates all day when a user switch from one operator to another e.g. from Kesas to LDP 10%-off.you mean, to grab customers from the other highways?

not a bad idea...NKVE and KESAS can compete, LDP and NKVE can compete :D

Cheers, m

gary yap
25-11-2008, 11:11 AM
you mean, to grab customers from the other highways?

not a bad idea...NKVE and KESAS can compete, LDP and NKVE can compete :D

Cheers, m

No la, not snatch. For example, we turn down to Kesas from USJ towards KL direction. We pay RM2.20 but if we turn up to LDP, instead of paying RM1.60 we pay RM1.00. This only apply to within 1 hr and within the Klang Valley.

AllUrban
25-11-2008, 11:33 AM
No la, not snatch. For example, we turn down to Kesas from USJ towards KL direction. We pay RM2.20 but if we turn up to LDP, instead of paying RM1.60 we pay RM1.00. This only apply to within 1 hr and within the Klang Valley.let's have them both...KESAS can offer discount to get more cars, and NKVE can offer a discount in order to compete...the discount that you are talking about ... is a good idea ... but it can only be implemented with a push from a government/local land transport authority.

Until that takes place, why not let the "free" market take its course and push competition between the expressways wherever possible.

Cheers, m

sarawakian
26-11-2008, 10:57 AM
the best way is this....from 12 midnight to 6am, should be free of toll :D

gary yap
26-11-2008, 11:03 AM
With the number of users increased tremendously, they should give the discounts permanently.

compounding
26-11-2008, 09:08 PM
the best way is this....from 12 midnight to 6am, should be free of toll :D
better still if its toll free from 6am to 12 midnight :)

the rationale is to promote safe driving !!! :D

AllUrban
27-11-2008, 02:05 PM
So I finally drove in Singapore...

Smooth traffic flow from beginning (1:00 pm) to end (6:00 pm).

Travelled using the 2nd link. Went from Tuas to the city using the Ayer Rajah Expressway. Got off at Marina Blvd, went to cross street, then headed up New Bridge road to Fort Canning area.

The only moments of congestion were between Chinatown and Raffles place where they are building a temporary flyover to make space for the construction of the 1st phase of the Downtown MRT line.

GF was amazed that we arrived at our destination with exactly 10 mins to spare, with me sitting so calm and cool and her very stressed.

Unfortunately we got a little lost trying to find a place off orchard road...and then I missed a turn to the Pan-Island expressway and ended up using an old road to get to the Selatar expressway.

Overall, the flow of traffic was totally smooth. ERP is really working and they are investing in public transport as well!

Cheers, m