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robertec
28-10-2008, 04:14 PM
From: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SJAlert@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CKY
Sent: Monday, 27 October, 2008 1:44 PM
To: sjalert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)

My fellow SJ Alert members,

I really need some advices from you all as to how to hand my situation. I stay in USJ 6 and it is USJ6/5 to be exact. The house next to mine have been rented out to a group of foreign workers (legal or illegal I not sure) who don’t seems to be bothered about the surroundings but treat this place like their heaven. This is another case of the current problem in this country that foreigners act like this country belongs to them. Back to my case, rubbbish is being thrown all over the place, drain stuck etc etc and the smell is terrible compounded by the noise they make. Tried talking to them and they act like they don’t understand Bahasa Malaysia. Should I make a report to RELA and request its help in clearing them off. Another question is ‘WHAT IF THEY ARE LEGAL WORKERS’??? Any advices would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks everyone – CKY

robertec
28-10-2008, 04:18 PM
From: DUN Sri Muda [mailto:srimuda2008@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 October, 2008 6:26 PM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)


In DUN Sri Muda, I as MBSA Councillor tried rranging for a PATI (Pendatang Asing Tanpa Izin) fews ago in our area. Sadly, the operation last minute cancelled, although the RELA, Immigresion Officer & MBSA Enforcement gathered at our office.

Just fews minutes before departure, we were told that any operation (PATI) require pre-booking of detention kem seat (place). Because all of their present only on helping basis, so eventhough that night we may arrest some illegal migrant, but no body can send them to some wehre.

For your information, such operation need about 2 weeks pre-arrangement between various department. And only Polis can lead the team (RELA ops TEGAS temperarily stoped due to federal government restructuring).

On top of that, the local resident informed us on that time, the place was VERY CLEAN that night.

Such comment....


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From: kuan [mailto:xxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 October, 2008 6:31 PM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: re: SPAM-HIGH: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)

Dear CKY,
You can direct your complain to MPSJ . email to mpsj@mpsj.gov.my and MPSJ can take action on.
1) overcrowding of houses under section 78 of the local government act where a house is deem overcrowded when one adult is to 350cubic feet of clear internal space and in such calculation every person over the age of ten shall be deemed as adult and two children below the age of ten shall be counted as one adult.
2.) MPSJ can issue the owner a summon on the overcrowding and the penalty upon conviction be liable to a fine not exceeding two thousand ringgit or a term of imprisonment not exceeding 6 months and further fine of sum not exceeding RM 100 for each day during which the offence is continued after conviction.

3) MPSJ can also take action on filthy houses under section 74 of the Local Government Act and you can actually write to Jabatan Kesihatan dan Perkhidmatan Bandar of MPSJ.

4) You can contact the OCS of the respective Balai and make an official complaint to him regarding the nuisance of the noise they create and the police can advise take action against them
I hope that you can get in touch of the relevant authority and you can even contact YB Hanna Yeoh as she will be able to help you better for she is the best DAP YB I had ever met since PR took over . She is very kind humble and willing to help.

CHK.
Puchong.


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From: TK Lee [mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 October, 2008 7:16 PM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)


dear cky

file a complaint with the MPSJ. i am sure they will respond to your dire situation

tklee


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From: Moaz Ahmad [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 October, 2008 9:57 PM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)

Mr. CKY, it is quite possible you could be having the same problems if your neighbours were single, local men who thought and acted in a selfish way. If that were the case (and they were locals) you would be talking to your local councillor to complain, not calling Rela. My suggestion is to contact your councillor first as the councillor can put pressure on the property owner and the tenants. Then you can call Rela and double the pressure...if you have real suspicions that they are illegal. I hope that your problems will be worked out soon.

Regards, Moaz


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From: Vincent Chen [mailto:xxxxxx@tm.net.my]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 10:20 AM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)


I think the complaint can be made online direct to mpsj. otherwise, you can speak to yr residents association or JKP(jawatan kuasa penduduk) to assist you to resolve this problem!
Vincent Chen


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From: Gary Yap [mailto:xxxxxxxx@xxxxphoto.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 10:27 AM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)

Legal or not, just make a police report. Only thing to worry is whether there's repercussion.


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From: PeckWan [mailto:xxxxxxx@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 10:42 AM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)

When I was staying in USJ 6, my neighbour rented the house to some restaurant workers. They came back late and always made a lot of noice. I then gather signatures from nearby neighbours and passed to the house owner. He eventually took back the house.

Leong


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From: DAP KINRARA [mailto:dapkinrara@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 11:02 AM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)


He CKY,

Sorry to hear that. Anyway, there are 2 ways to deal with it:
1) Report to your Zone Councillor and get him to evaluate the situation.
2) Lodge a complaint to MPSJ and get the aduan copy. Give them a week to respond and if still no response then pass the copy to your adun/councillor.

Even if they are legal, still they cannot do this kind of things to neighbour. Once the report goes up to MPSJ, we as Councillor will get the Local Council + police + Immigration Officer to check the place and if found them illegal, they will be haul up and also will Saman the owner. If they are LEGAL, then the Local Council will take action on them cum owner on the cleaniness issue.

This is the best solution to resolve your problem.

Gary Chong

robertec
28-10-2008, 04:21 PM
From: Param [mailto:xxxx@tm.net.my]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 2:45 PM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)

Dear CKY,

My name is Param and my company recruits and manages foreign workers. To begin with, no foreign worker can enter this country unless they are pre – employed. Therefore, there must be an employer. The details of the employer, ie; the name and address as well as the sector of employment is clearly stated on the work permit. Now, this does not mean that these workers were not brought in by ‘bogus’ employers, meaning, companies that exist only on paper who ‘somehow’ managed to get the necessary approvals and on bringing in these workers, they either ‘farm’ out these workers or they ‘set’ them free to fend for themselves. Therefore, we would not know the status of these workers until we check the work permit. It could also be a case of ‘lari majikan’, meaning many foreign workers run away from legitimate employers, meet and get together and fend for themselves by doing odd jobs and such.

As for the renting of the house, the owner cannot rent out the property to ‘illegal’ workers as this can be construed as ‘harbouring illegal’s’ and the penalty is pretty serious which includes whipping to the landlord. The owner should only deal with the employer as this will ensure legality. Nevertheless, there are no laws prohibiting rental to foreign workers. Under normal circumstances, a house owner will naturally deal with the employer – we do not know the scenario with the workers who have become your neighbours.

Please be very careful with any ‘freelancing’ foreign worker as we DO NOT know their background. They have their own network which may include up to 50 ‘friends. They obtain their strength in their numbers. They also can ‘vanish’ without any trace and the police will not know where to begin looking for them.

So what do we do??: Try this;

Get our Mr. Teoh (of SJ Echo) to bring up this matter with our police friends who can then make a friendly visit to this house. Among the action to be taken;

i. Tell them that they are keeping the place very dirty and it is not proper.

ii. The police can check the work permit to check for validity and authenticity.

iii. The police can obtain the ‘Employers’ contact number from the worker and if these are legal workers, inform the employer to ensure his workers behave and keep the place clean.

iv. If these workers turn out to ‘not legal’ make sure the police have brought their van to ferry them to the lock up.

v. Please be informed that the police can ‘advice’ them for disturbing the peace and the local council can fine the owner of the house for littering the compound and surroundings.

There are enough laws and regulations to address these type of problems, the enforcement, on the other hand is something to be followed up with.

I hope the above will be of help.

Param. M


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From: Stephen Xavier [mailto:xxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 11:50 AM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door) - 8 replies


2 weeks..wow. so much lead time to get packing and disappear.

Regards


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From: xxxxxxxx@streamyx.com [mailto:xxxxxxxx@streamyx.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 2:01 PM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Cc: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door) - 8 replies

Thanks so much to everyone for your suggestions. I have already made a report to MPSJ regarding the filthy condition of the house. Let's give MPSJ sometime and see what happens.

Once again thank you all.

robertec
29-10-2008, 05:26 PM
From: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SJAlert@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of xxxxx@tm.net.my
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 3:19 PM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)


I lived at USJ 14. Opposite of my house was flooded (approximately 15 of them) with foreign worker from India.

1. Is that legal to stay so many people in one house especially foreign worker.
2. They had been making lots of noise in the middle of the night
3. They had not been keeping the staying place clean especially outside of the house
4. They had not been properly dress outside of their house, only sarong with topless
5. They had brought threat to my family

I had made complaints to the police department and the city council MPSJ. As far as I am concern nothing had been done even though some officer visited the compound. The question is whether the authorities really carry out their job or something behind. My complaints was made 3 years ago and I had been tolerated for this long. So shall we move out from this house to accomodate these group of foreign workers? Or who else that can help us? I guess nobody. Whose fault do you think? Who actually the ones allowed so much foreign workers in our country? What is the next step that the government will do to ease this problem or shall I says that, do the government really knows that over flown foreign workers will bring threat to the citizens? Even that the government knows, will they really care? My suggestion is, group all 4 department, Police, MPSJ, Immigration and ACA department to visit these people, so that will guarantee no hanky panky on......

USJ 14 upset residents.

robertec
29-10-2008, 05:28 PM
From: xxxxxxxx@streamyx.com [mailto:xxxxxxxx@streamyx.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008 10:32 AM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)

Jenad,
I understand what you are going through as we are in the same boat. It very heart sick that pour our hard earned savings into a house and ended up like this. I am all for on your suggestion to group the 4 departments together and visit these people. Perhaps we can work with our MP on this.

What amaze me is that there are so many caring friends in SJAlert group offering advices, when I raised the question it did ponder my mind would I get a response???

Thank u all - CKY

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From: DAP KINRARA [mailto:dapkinrara@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008 10:35 AM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)

Hi,

Could u pls provide more details like full address n if possible take some photo and email to MPSJ or your MPSJ Councillor En Ismail Kamal - hp 0193088866. Hope he can help u.

Regards,

Gary Chong

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From: xxxxxxxx@gmail.com [mailto:xxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008 10:44 AM
To: SJ Alert
Subject: Re: FW: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)

Yes indeed, the problem is now spreading everywhere.

There is also a link house along my street, Jalan USJ 2/6, which is also occupied by many foreign workers. The only difference here is that they are all grasscutters, who go round on their bicycles or motorbikes in our & nearby housing estates pressing gate bells to ask if houseowners wish to have their grass in their compound cut.

I'm baffled as to how they are free to move around to seek part-time work like that. And whether they had come here legally or illegally in the first place.

I noticed they too don't bother to keep their rented house compound clean of weeds & tall grass, although they are grasscutters themselves. I"m not sure if they create problems or not to theoir immediate neighbours. Strange indeed!

Regards,
Hj Jani
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From: Param [mailto:xxxx@tm.net.my]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008 11:38 AM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: FW: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)

Dear upset resident,

Firstly, you have all the reasons to be upset. Let us look at your points;

i. As far as I know, there are no provisions against the number of people (family) staying in a house. However, under the building and fire act, use of premises which can endanger lives due to living conditions / congestion will have some provisions. However, if the house is rented out as a `Hostel', then the owner MUST comply to a whole lot of requirements from the council and bomba. The number of toilets, sleeping facility, fire escape and many other factors need to be accounted for.

ii. Too much noise can be construed `disturbing' the peace and the police must act on complains – otherwise, file a complain against the police for inaction. But please ensure that you have given the men in blue uniform all the information and their inaction is obvious.

iii. The council must take action against this.

iv. They can be charged for `indecent' behaviour for this.

v. If you feel threatened, who else, but the men in blue to help you.


The multitude of problems related to foreign workers flashed in the media shows how bad the situation really is. The source of the problem lies with the entire process of approving foreign workers. To discuss this , we will need to spend a week with each other. Therefore, if you have done all that you say you have done, then I personally think that our RA has to become relevant and take this matter up collectively with our police, MPSJ and adun. A proper dialogue with the authorities to highlight our plight is critical to resolve all the complains and also many related problems NOT Complained and suffered in silence.

Foreign workers must be under an employer – get hold of the employer who must shoulder the responsibility. If these foreign workers do not have the relevant permits or have expired work permits, then the police must act immediately.


Param. M

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From: xxxxxxxx@streamyx.com [mailto:xxxxxxxx@streamyx.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008 11:59 AM
To: SJAlert@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: SJ Alert EMS NEED ADVICE (Foreign Workers living next door)


I previously had a similar neighbour, and I confronted their employer (nasi kandar at taipan) a few months later they moved, not sure the reason why.

I think one way is to harass the employer, maybe they have illegal workers and afraid of trouble, they may step in. Hope this helps.

Sent via BlackBerry from Maxis