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sarawakian
30-09-2008, 02:23 PM
I was thinking....imgaine if we do the following, perhaps the football leagues would get better:

a. Allow each state to have 2 teams each

b. All games are played on Saturday or/and Sunday morning or afternoon only

This would help cut costs down for floodlights as well as ease security arrangements

This would also not clash with the EPL which would be played at the same time.

c. Each team would be sponsored and each team is professionally run with an academy

Hehhehehhehhe...any more ideas? :)

USJ27Resident
30-09-2008, 02:33 PM
I was thinking....imgaine if we do the following, perhaps the football leagues would get better:

Hehhehehhehhe...any more ideas? :)

NOTHING will change as long as politics and political patronage is involved with the game.... :rolleyes:

chewie
30-09-2008, 02:43 PM
Agree with USJ27Resident ....

Look at 30 years ago, where South Korea, Japan, UAE dare not even play against Malaysia, look where are they now, they are playing in World Cup... Malaysia, even Sea Games also cannot win... and even loose to Vietnam which consist of part time footballer from all walks of life..

And also the players commitment... we have world class facilities in football but with low class players...

look at African Nations, they do not have world class facilities, they play even without a proper shoe. But they play with their hearts out.

If not mistaken, last year there were a tournament, Asian Cup, Iran, from a war torn country join the tournament without proper jersey or even boots, last minute some kind people sponsor them, and they won the Asia Cup,...

If want me to go on about Malaysian football I can go, but is wasting our time here...

sarawakian
30-09-2008, 02:51 PM
Hmmm....I understand....but what about making this thread something called of what we would like to see and possible ways we can get people to watch as night games are quite expensive and cannot compare with EPL.

Yeah...I know the frustrations...but just say this is fantasy but a fantasy easily achievable...so what say you...let us create our realistic fantasy of waht we can suggest. :D

USJ27Resident
30-09-2008, 02:55 PM
Agree with USJ27Resident ....

If want me to go on about Malaysian football I can go, but is wasting our time here...

:( Isn't it so sickening... practically everything we say or do - involves Malaysian politics... and we're not suppose to openly discuss/talk/chit-chat anything politic.... in case... it ends up like this, example "hey, I think the football is very racial la... dun want to be kicked by that chinese fella..."

chewie
30-09-2008, 03:23 PM
hahhahah.... even worst than that.... when we meet up for TT, perhaps we can discuss more

Raikonen
30-09-2008, 03:30 PM
No Malaysians...

sarawakian
30-09-2008, 04:37 PM
Hehehhehehhe....come on all...let us see some ideas flowing...I think we should challenge ourselves to think positively..so let us start with football and how we want it to be....

I mentioned my thoughts on having 2 teams per state and also playing on Sat and Sun morn and afternoon instead of night time.

Also to get each team run by a corporation etc....and players are entertainers and employees... :rolleyes:

USJ27Resident
30-09-2008, 04:47 PM
Given the amount of budget these teams are run annually... they should have been making progress donkey years ago... but yet, the only results you see - are the officials and managers busy clamouring for positions in these teams...

...oh.. not to forget, the ever increasing girth sizes around their FAT waistlines... :p

Wan Wan
30-09-2008, 05:04 PM
Aiyo ... basic areas for kids to play football also no have.
Years ago, there were playing fields and open spaces for youths to play.
Today what ever playing field or open spaces are used by corporation or for certain parties for their political office container.
Hey even the street is not safe with the increase in crime.
Nowadays as a parent I dare NOT to let my kids play outside without a few big Uncles around!

If really want to reform football, what is so difficult?

A reform is only complicated if you donít want it, says senator Datuk Zaid Ibrahim. If you want reforms, make the Government more transparent, adopt meritocracy and a more equitable system; thatís not difficult.

sarawakian - afternoon? over head sun? I do not know about you but can not la my son will faint! :D

chewie - "30 years ago, where South Korea, Japan, UAE dare not even play against Malaysia" .... err... now also they do NOT want to come for the Merdeka Cup! :D

chewie
30-09-2008, 05:14 PM
sarawakian... did you know that FAM changed the league format just to ensure that state team is in... and if a club is qualified for the super league, they will change something so that the club side would not benefit...so even how we give ideas also, it will not change...

sarawakian
30-09-2008, 05:16 PM
Hahahhahahhahah..see...suddenly we all become politicians hahhahahhahahahhaha...aiseh all, let us try to make this a thread about how we can make the league watchable lor. So, those who follow EPL and those who watched the old Malaysian football would know that there are some things we can do. Just like what Singapore did...so let us have some ideas all.

The sun? Well, Vitamin D. Also we all played in the sun a long time ago and the stadia is even cooler than F1 Sepang! Hahahhahhahahhahah...anyways, it is always good to have natural lightings at it helps with security as well as saves unneccesary energy use for night matches. Could be costly for poorer teams as they have to pay for elect costs. :D

So, come on all, some good ideas please...I am sure Subang Jayans out there have some! :D

Chewie, it is ok...let us have our thoughts on how it could help...even if FAM does not heed. It is ok..the first step is to dream...one day it may happen...but instead of seeing what it is now and why we cannot do...let us all look at waht we would like to have...a wish list... :D

Wan Wan
30-09-2008, 06:02 PM
The sun? Well, Vitamin D. Also we all played in the sun a long time ago and the stadia is even cooler than F1 Sepang! Hahahhahhahahhahah...anyways, it is always good to have natural lightings at it helps with security as well as saves unneccesary energy use for night matches. Could be costly for poorer teams as they have to pay for elect costs. :D You may have miss out on something called global warming.
Also those days of shady trees surrounding the playing field are long gone!

My kids and their friends now play only indoor.
I do not know if your are familiar with futsal.
It is the 'hot' game.
It is a 'cool' game to play.
What ever those phrases means?
They ONLY know the names of EPL players and manager.
Malaysia got football leagues??????
Who play ah??
Ya dream on, ....."NOTHING will change as long as politics and political patronage is involved with the game.... :rolleyes:" - USJ27Resident
Enuff said!

cskok8
30-09-2008, 07:51 PM
We already have the best football league in the world. While other countries have at best a premier league, we have the SUPER LEAGUE. :D

sarawakian
30-09-2008, 07:58 PM
Hahahhahahha...yeah futsal...I play too...and costs near RM100 per hour when you can play for free. Poor ppl like me before play on any patch of green with shoes as goalposts...and we still played ok. Some more cheap...no costs except for drinks hahahhahha.

Yeah....global warming...so stay in a/cond area and play in futsal with fans...aiseh...no lah...

Anyways, like I mentioned, this would be a good thread to share our ideas.... on how we can make it work...perhaps we can look at the ways of which we can still play in the mornings and late afternoons.

Anyways, EPL is played in the afternoons and sometimes near Evenings too.

We need to enjoy games and I think our league is crap..but we can always discuss and see if we can put an idea of how to do so...by the way, I also play fantasy football on NOKIA NFC, Futsal, outdoor football and watch EPL..

so...come la...let us hear some ideas lor

:D

Wan Wan
30-09-2008, 08:31 PM
I guess I did not make myself clear on this.
Where are you going to get the players for the Malaysian League?
Every where except Malaysia?
There is just nothing at the youth level - especially primary and secondary school level!

EPL is played in the afternoons, yes agreed but do note it is in Autumn, Winter and Spring!
Not in Summer's afternoon.

I fantasize that the you will win a trip to England to watch an EPL game... good?

BTW what happen to Titus James Palani?

geordie
30-09-2008, 08:59 PM
The potential progress of the Malaysian League is not dependant solely on the league format etc but with the eradication of corruption amidst the top management.

It truly saddens me to read about the Terengganu foreign player who committed suicide due to non-payment of salary for God knows how many months (no one ever talk about that case anymore). What happened to all the allocation of funds ??? And the recent reports of players of State "A" and "B" who were persistently approached by Ah Longs who are aware that the players were not paid since March / May. In such cases, do you expect our players play with their heart and soul (on empty stomachs) ???

Why can't we have truly commited sportsmen heading the FAM and its state equivalent instead of royal figureheads and son-in-laws of so-and-so ???

VeeJay
30-09-2008, 09:27 PM
Haiya...betul betul, susah nak tulislah...there is so much things to be said...but...

Hmm as many has penned, Politics and racism should be thrown out of Msian sports. Selection should be based on merits, and all children should be nourished from primary school, with proper structured program in ALL schools.

My experience only tells me that there are way many skillful and intelligent players all over malaysia, but when selection is biased, many either misses it or not keen to take their game to next level.

kwchang
30-09-2008, 09:44 PM
I'll be moving this to the Sports sub-forum later, so look for it there. :)

isarahim
30-09-2008, 11:03 PM
a. Allow each state to have 2 teams each
I think the state system should be abolised entirely along with political involvement.

Instead we need clubs which are driven by people passionate about football and free of regulations. I would envision the emergence of city or suburbian teams, like FC Ampang, Subang Hotspurs, Penang Persatuan, JB Devils, Ipoh City etc etc.

USJ27Resident
30-09-2008, 11:39 PM
Instead we need clubs which are driven by people passionate about football and free of regulations. I would envision the emergence of city or suburbian teams, like FC Ampang, Subang Hotspurs, Penang Persatuan, JB Devils, Ipoh City etc etc.


Subang Hotspurs !!!?? :D Kahkahkahkah!!! ROTFLMAO !!! Goood one...

sarawakian
01-10-2008, 11:55 AM
Yup thats the way all, lets keep the juices running. Yeah...I agree we may not have the stars...so let us just say we need to make the league better...then the allowing of stars could be an answer as well as having a good grassroot academy ala the Brazilian academy in Subang Jaya? or even the Little leagues in Subang jaya type?

Yes, politicians should not be there but it could also mean choosing the correct person for the job?

In EPL, the Managers are the main person, not the coach. Here in Malaysia, the coach is the biggie...not the Manager...maybe that is one step we can take?

Also, it is not too hot when you play outside. Yeah, EPL is not played in Summer but remember that if played on Sat mornings say at 10am..and finish by 1130 am without ET or AET, it would mean that everyone can then go out and then makan....and then catch EPL at night. The same for Sundays...but Sundays could start at 4pm and finish by 530pm...so enough time to get home before most EPL starts after 10pm unless it is an earlier game at 745pm or so. So can eat dinner.

Those times are not too hot and would be good as we can also save electrical costs for the floodlights and keep runnng costs low? What I attempt to achieve is a possibility of people watching. Stadiums are covered..and with natural light, security is easier within and around the stadium.

Oh I like the club type idea too.....

By the way, Chang...don't move this...lah...so far it works better to be in the main section wor
:D

firefox
01-10-2008, 12:14 PM
You can never have politics and sports in the same soup bowl, i rather watch EPL.

tsd
02-10-2008, 01:05 AM
main problem is we have lost pride in our football. We hero worship Manchester United, Chelsea and etc... unless we can produce some team that can beat those EPL teams, interest will not return. Our national team in the past are capable of that, during those days, whenever Malaysia team plays in stadium merdeka... almost can guarentee full house. Private companies would be fighting to sponser live telecast on TV.

We do have many talented players in the country. Individual skills of some of our players can compete with anyone in the world... unfortunately when they start to play, they become lame duck. They cant get organized, look lost in the field. They cant even pass the ball properly. Visible lack of confidence... hardly see any player who attempt to use their individual skills to dribble past opponents ( which I think they are fully capable of, even if they try.. they only do it half-heartedly and up losing the ball ).

Imagine playing against those mat salleh, they are so big and bulky and slow... we are small, fast and agile, can easily dribble past them.. but we rather pass the ball around which end up in their long legs. We must train our players to use our physical advantage, we cannot follow those european technique and system. If you have seen how our national players like Mokhtar Dahari play, you will understand. Take a look at this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKslbZYdMfc

We beat Arsenal 2-0, later those mat salleh not happy... England send their national team and almost got beaten by us, drew 1-1 instead .. saved by their last minute goal. That England team was not weak, they whack Indonesia by 10 goals before playing with us.

Why not we try use back the same system that we used to have in the past. We should use our own playing style and not just follow those european playing style and technique that may not suit our physical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfz9SyJJs88

suddenly there was a time when we have another hope, with a new super player, Matlan Marjan. He scored 2 goals against England... unfortunately his cerear was ended by someone... *censored*. and that was the end of our football...

sarawakian
02-10-2008, 11:56 PM
Yes...very true. I think that to make our league better, we need clubs or states to start with the basics of strategic play and basic ball skills.

Even playing wall passes and dribbling around with both feet can help.

Perhaps, we also need a good marketing program for the league and let the best manage the marketing.

But before that, play could be improved if played with passion and liking for the game. This we must inculcate.

Subang Jaya has a brazilian academy and the techniques look good. Isaw the little kids playing in the SJYFL...aka subang jaya youth football league..looks interesting but not highlighted...

Ys...lets see what else we can do to amke ours interesting :D

tsd
03-10-2008, 12:24 AM
Subang Jaya has a brazilian academy and the techniques look good. Isaw the little kids playing in the SJYFL...aka subang jaya youth football league..looks interesting but not highlighted...

Ys...lets see what else we can do to amke ours interesting :D

I am not aware of such league. There should be more competition and more awareness campaign. Every area should have at least one team to compete with other area. Addtional teams can take part if they have the numbers. Unfortunately not many football fields available. Last time whenever we wanted to play, have to pay RM100 for the field and another RM200 for the ref and lines men. How many children can afford that ?

miketee
03-10-2008, 04:23 AM
How about banning Astro from showing all EPL & European matches? :p Way before Astro, our Liga Perdana & Malaysia Cup was hot-hot-hot! OK just kidding...

Off the field, one good measurement of a "better league" is in the audience. Ie interest among the fans, media coverage, and playing to capacity stadiums. We still get that for Cup finals, so all is not lost. Plus, those die-hard EPL fans are mostly urban folks anyway. The local leagues still do get plenty of attention from the Malay majority.

My thoughts on building up fanbase & public interest - for a start, get more support from the private media companies. Astro, TV3, 8TV, etc - the more contemporary channels that ppl actually watch! Right now the local games are shown on TV1... and the quality of its weekly highlights program leaves much to be desired. Compare that to the presentation of the standard EPL fare that's being dished out to audiences week-in, week-out, it's no surprise that viewers see our football as 2nd class. Besides, who watches TV1 & 2 anyways?!

The success of the MyTEAM show is a good indication that packaged correctly, audiences CAN be made to enjoy local football.

I always look at the coverage of the Japanese / Korean football matches and wonder. How come they have fans that can pack 80,000-seat stadiums to the brink - fanatical fans that wave humongous flags at that? I'm sure they are equally as mad about EPL teams as we do - but what is it about the local leagues that also get them as excited?

tsd
03-10-2008, 08:19 AM
to attract the crowd, we will need to create "heroes", media plays an important role here. People not only want to see their team play, they want to see something special and one or a few super players playing.

For example, If have Diego Maradona playing, half the crowed are probably there because of him.

And these created "heroes" has to live up to the expectations, they will work hard to improve themself.. and many others who also wants to become one too. Opponents will go after these players in a game. It will push everyone to improve.

miketee
03-10-2008, 09:45 AM
We used to have heroes in the form of Tony Cottee, David Mitchell, Emile Mbouh Mbouh, etc...

tsd
03-10-2008, 10:26 AM
We used to have heroes in the form of Tony Cottee, David Mitchell, Emile Mbouh Mbouh, etc...

the heroes has to be local... during those time, we have a bunch of names... Mokhtar Dahari, Soh Chin Aun, R. Aramugam, Santokh Singh... and many more, we felt excited everytime their names are mentioned. If any of them play in the local league, I am sure it will have maximum crowd... and eyes will be on them.

sarawakian
03-10-2008, 02:49 PM
Quite true... we had good heroes then when we started like Ervin Boban, Zoran Nicolic, even people like Akmal Rizal and Titus james.

I think perhaps, the old formula of having imported players must be stricter and those similar to EPL's requirement for them to be national team players.

We also need good coaches and also a good business acumen.

Oh ya...the website is :

http://sjcyfl.wetpaint.com/

:D

sarawakian
14-10-2008, 06:24 PM
Well the tournament will see how Malaysia do.....and Titus has been given an ultimatum...hmmm :eek:

AllUrban
14-10-2008, 07:02 PM
how about we make the politicians and FA and Yayasan people play? in the mid afternoon? :eek:

Id sit in the sun to watch that :D

Cheers, m

sarawakian
15-10-2008, 10:07 AM
Tonight, Malaysia plays Nepal! And we are hard in training! I hope we win for goodness sake

I think and hope that the leagues are played in the mornings and late afternoons as it would help people watch, saves costs for lighting (saves the environment), and allow us to catch the EPL at night.

Wan Wan
15-10-2008, 04:23 PM
Tonight, Malaysia plays Nepal! any telecast? which channel?

What's this on AFC HQ moving out of Malaysia? :confused:

sarawakian
16-10-2008, 12:09 PM
Malaysia won! Beat Nepal.... :D

firefox
16-10-2008, 12:58 PM
Malaysia won! Beat Nepal.... :D

Beating poor Nepal is no feat...malaysia can forget about football lets concentrate on badminton and squash.

sarawakian
16-10-2008, 05:53 PM
Yay...next Afghanistan and Sierra Leone! We will try very hard and win our "tough" group. :D