Melamine contamination in milk products [Archive]

jadewhite

19-09-2008, 11:42 PM

Melamine in action again. Again, from China. Looks like we got to say "no" to China products.

Quote from : http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=25867

Yili, a Beijing Olympic Games sponsor, already faced a recall in Hong Kong, where authorities found that eight of its 30 products, including ice-cream and yoghurt ice bars, contained melamine.

Quote from : http://www.news.gov.hk/en/category/healthandcommunity/080918/html/080918en05006.htm

The Centre for Food Safety today warned the public not to consume dairy products from Mainland brand Yili as eight samples of its goods were found to contain melamine.

Link to Yili group as below.
http://yili.21food.com/showroom/28155/productlist/list.html

HTCHONG

20-09-2008, 08:45 AM

S'pore bans import of ALL milk and dairy from China...The Agri-Food & Veterinary Authority (AVA) said on Friday that they have banned the import and sale of all milk and dairy products from China with immediate effect after tests found melamine contamination in two brands of China-made milk products....

The chemical was found in two samples of Yili Brand Choice Dairy Fruit Bar Yogurt Flavoured Ice Confection, and also in the Dutch Lady brand of strawberry flavoured milk manufactured in China...:eek:

http://health.asiaone.com/Health/News/Story/A1Story20080919-88847.html

...oh no..I believe I take Dutch Lady strawberry flavoured milk occasionally.. :mad:

kwchang

20-09-2008, 06:34 PM

...oh no..I believe I take Dutch Lady strawberry flavoured milk occasionally..
I don't think you have anything to worry about unless you had bought it in Singapore. I do not think Dutch Lady Malaysia use milk from China.

VeeJay

20-09-2008, 08:42 PM

I don't think you have anything to worry about unless you had bought it in Singapore. I do not think Dutch Lady Malaysia use milk from China.

kwchang is correct!

From http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/19/nation/20080919142016&sec=nation
>>
“We would like to inform the public that Malaysia only imports dairy products from Australia and New Zealand. We do not import from China.
<<

HTCHONG

20-09-2008, 10:56 PM

I don't think you have anything to worry about unless you had bought it in Singapore. I do not think Dutch Lady Malaysia use milk from China.

Yup...after verified ...those I bought are from Malaysia...phiu :p .

Latest report from AVA Singapore confirmed that ..."19 dairy and milk products from China sold in Singapore are well-known products such as Magnum, Meiji and Walls ice cream, Rabbit milk candy, and Monmilk and Yili milk. Meng Niu Group, which produces Monmilk, and the Yili Group have been implicated in the scandal in China." :eek:

http://www.soshiok.com/articles/10880

Chia Hak Soon

22-09-2008, 01:07 PM

What about those 3 in 1 prepacked teh tarik, instant coffee of various brands in the supermarket ? I will stop consumption of any of these products until the air is clear.

Weezy

22-09-2008, 01:15 PM

What about those 3 in 1 prepacked teh tarik, instant coffee of various brands in the supermarket ? I will stop consumption of any of these products until the air is clear.

dun think there are milk products in those. creamers are non-dairy. made from palm oil and other vegetable fats. :(

bslee

22-09-2008, 01:27 PM

dun think there are milk products in those. creamers are non-dairy. made from palm oil and other vegetable fats. :(

Better than loosing sleep over the issue, best to ban oneself from ALL China sourced milk products, IF you think it has any ingredient that may come from there!. Let them culprits SUFFER the consequences for cheating consumers!.

firefox

22-09-2008, 01:38 PM

Dont just worry about melamine there are so many other poisonous agents in our food that are more lethal, and one day we will be told about it, so mean time live and let live because nothing is safe to eat presently. Take the risk and hope for the best.

Do you think the manufactures or the so called "authorities" sincerly care for your health?

bslee

22-09-2008, 01:59 PM

Do you think the manufactures or the so called "authorities" sincerly care for your health?

Only when there's threat to their profit margin.
Ask yourself one question. In Malaysia, Would you go to the press or revert back to manufacturers for action if something not right is found?.

Phres

22-09-2008, 04:17 PM

Got SMS that the following items have been recalled due to China’s milk scandal:

1. M&M
2. Snickers
3. Mento’s Yoghurt Bottle
4. Dove Chocolate
5. Oreo Wafer Sticks
6. Dutchlady Sterilised Milk
7. Wall’s all natural mango
8. Mini Poppers Ice Cream
9. Magnum Ice Cream
10. Moo Sandwich Ice Cream
11. Mini Cornetto
12. Youcan Ice Cream

Stores have been asked by AVA Singapore to remove them.
gosh, i just had a packet of M&M yesterday....

HTCHONG

22-09-2008, 04:25 PM

China lost its credibility in the food industry...contaminated luncheon meat, dumpling, milk powder and now basically all milk products...even this candy "White Rabbit creamy candy"... :mad: So, what is next ?

http://www.asiaone.com/Health/News/Story/A1Story20080921-89066.html

kwchang

22-09-2008, 05:34 PM

Got SMS that the following items have been recalled ....called by AVA Singapore to remove them.
gosh, i just had a packet of M&M yesterday....
Please do not get confused with products imported by Singapore (AVA) and Malaysia.

Simple rule of thumb - if it is made in China, then be careful. I always check the labels - way before the melamine scare

wyshin88

22-09-2008, 05:49 PM

Please do not get confused with products imported by Singapore (AVA) and Malaysia.

Simple rule of thumb - if it is made in China, then be careful. I always check the labels - way before the melamine scare

How to becareful? Throw it away?

kwchang

22-09-2008, 05:53 PM

How to becareful? Throw it away?
What I meant was, I check and look for alternatives if it was a food product from China. Do not buy if you are not going to consume it.

gary yap

22-09-2008, 06:48 PM

bslee

22-09-2008, 08:38 PM

I got this via email. If anyone wants to kill off their competitors, just link their product with the milk-scare.

Eh?.. I thought our Walls ice cream are manufactured either in Thailand or Indonesia. Nevertheless, we still don't know where their raw materials are sourced from. Ok.. I've decided NOT to buy any food product made, canned or packed in China!.. THAT'S IT...FINAL!.

gtl

22-09-2008, 10:09 PM

the implication is huge and don't know what's bad and what's good anymore.....hope china govt will act swiftly and strongly on those guilty parties.

it is time, china gets their act together and be a responsible world citizen.

kwchang

22-09-2008, 10:55 PM

Eh?.. I thought our Walls ice cream are manufactured either in Thailand or Indonesia..I checked with my friend in Jabatan Veterinar - Walls is just an MNC investing in various countries to manufacture specific products in each location. They used to do it in Malaysia but I guess they had gone to China and Thailand due to cheaper labour.

We do import Walls from China but there is a condition imposed by Jabatan Veterinar - due to the fact that China has Foot and Mouth disease (FMD), Malaysia will not import ice-cream from China if it was made from Chinese cow's milk. The condition to allow imports was that Walls China manufactures their ice-cream using Australian and New Zealand milk only. Therefore, Chinese Walls icecream imported into Malaysia are made using Australian or NZ milk

Thank God for that great decision, and we do have FMD in China to thank as well.

By the way, the other certified Chinese exporter of milk products to Malaysia was registered early in 2008 but I was informed by my friend that we had not imported any milk products from that exporter (perhaps due to the FMD?).

Henceforth, we are safe. We do not know about the other stuff like the confectionaries (chocs) because those are under the scrutiny of the Public Health Department. I think I heard on the news tonight that we are following AVA Singapore in banning those products

kuma

23-09-2008, 01:10 AM

I checked with my friend in Jabatan Veterinar - Walls is just an MNC investing in various countries to manufacture specific products in each location. They used to do it in Malaysia but I guess they had gone to China and Thailand due to cheaper labour.

We do import Walls from China but there is a condition imposed by Jabatan Veterinar - due to the fact that China has Foot and Mouth disease (FMD), Malaysia will not import ice-cream from China if it was made from Chinese cow's milk. The condition to allow imports was that Walls China manufactures their ice-cream using Australian and New Zealand milk only. Therefore, Chinese Walls icecream imported into Malaysia are made using Australian or NZ milk

Thank God for that great decision, and we do have FMD in China to thank as well.

By the way, the other certified Chinese exporter of milk products to Malaysia was registered early in 2008 but I was informed by my friend that we had not imported any milk products from that exporter (perhaps due to the FMD?).

Henceforth, we are safe. We do not know about the other stuff like the confectionaries (chocs) because those are under the scrutiny of the Public Health Department. I think I heard on the news tonight that we are following AVA Singapore in banning those products

I think, with the severity of the situation now, we can't just go on 'hearsay' from the Vet Dept. They should come out with a statement to reassure Malaysians.

You say that the condition laid out is that Walls imports the ice-cream sold here from China provided that the milk used is from Aust/NZ.

Considering the manufacturing ethics being displayed by manufacturers from China, what assurance do we have that they actually USED such ingredients?

It would also be obvious that China milk would have been a lot cheaper than milk from Aust/NZ. The savings could be huge and as raw ingredients, they could go unnoticed. Another worry would be parallel imports to Malaysia from a 3rd country.

kwchang

23-09-2008, 01:35 AM

I think, with the severity of the situation now, we can't just go on 'hearsay' from the Vet Dept. They should come out with a statement to reassure Malaysians..Govt Departments work closely together. Where the Health Ministry is the single source of press release, Jabatan Veterinar need not make further statements. This is the essence of crisis management - keep to one source of public announcements in order to reduce misinformation.

If you read TheStar (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/22/nation/20080922202033&sec=nation) today you will find that an official statement had already been made by the Health Ministry of Malaysia that even though dairy products (refers to ice-cream?) are imported from China, the milk was actually sourced from Australia and NZ - I am sure this refers to Walls ice-cream as I had mentioned earlier.

Pl refer to one more news article (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/23/nation/2094296&sec=nation)

Read the last paragraph here (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/National/2357277/Article/index_html)

bslee

23-09-2008, 02:11 AM

kuma

23-09-2008, 02:22 AM

official statement had already been made by the Health Ministry of Malaysia that even though dairy products (refers to ice-cream?) are imported from China, the milk was actually sourced from Australia and NZ - I am sure this refers to Walls ice-cream as I had mentioned earlier.

Well, I think many Malaysians have learned something here. I for one sure did. Least did I know that my favorite Walls ice-cream was being made in China. I have never checked the labels, always assuming that they were locally made. Anyway, does anyone know if the labels carry the country of manufacture? Isn't there such a requirement?

Although the assurances are there from the Ministry, who probably got the assurance from the 'distributor' that the milk used was sourced from Aust/NZ. The question would arise as to the 'manufacturing ethical standards' being practiced by the 'out sourced' manufacturer in China. Or are the plants owned by Walls themselves?

Since it may be beyond our Ministry to check if there's Melamine in them, then the best way for us to be doubly sure is to know if the same Walls ice-cream being sold here is also sold in S'pore.

Does anyone know?

There are so many 'if's'. Think I'll lay off this indulgence for a while. Might loose some weight. :D

tsd

23-09-2008, 07:37 AM

cant we just do a random test on all our milk based products ?

HTCHONG

23-09-2008, 08:25 AM

China Quality Chief quits...

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Asia/Story/A1Story20080922-89314.html

Wan Wan

23-09-2008, 08:35 AM

Teh Tarik sales may be affected soon?..Already the tea leaves are the poorest quality, THE MILK...the milk??. Should we fear of any danger?
Its likely Teh O for me hereon.. not at the coffee shop but at home.THE MILK? No milk used la....last I check most coffee shop and Teh Tarik stalls use CREAMER which is NOT made from Dairy Milk.

kuma - As for 'manufacturing ethical standards', this incident shows that there was compromised of not reporting it as soon as they were informed.

Fonterra should have let the world know as soon as they were informed in August instead of going through bureaucracy and playing ping pong with the govt of China.

Fonterra - a New Zealand-based multinational company and the world's largest exporter of dairy products, is a 43 per cent shareholder in San Lu. So where is that NZ quality?

Out of this incident I feel ultimately it is the consumer that pays for it, be in lives or higher price for milk products. :mad:

kwchang

23-09-2008, 08:38 AM

Teh Tarik sales may be affected soon?..Already the tea leaves are the poorest quality, THE MILK...the milk??. Should we fear of any danger?
.My friend, the so called "condensed milk" and sweeteners are mainly made from palm oil. If you are lucky, your backlane coffeeshop might use sweeteners that have milk solids .... more likely not

Hence, thank God for palm oil, most of us are spared of the risk of "milk" in our coffee and tea... unless of course you are drinking in coffee houses, kopitiams and hotels - but then they use milk products from Oz and NZ.

mykern

23-09-2008, 08:45 AM

No wonder my teh halia tasted different the past few days. kaka!~
Anyway, if you all are still paraniod about it, don't forget to get your necesary daily dose of calcium via supplements or marigold yogurt drink.
:)

kwchang

24-09-2008, 09:07 AM

I have changed the title of this thread from the original "Melamine again !!! Singapore advises recall of China-made yoghurt bars : Yili" as it was too specific. The current title is to cover the melamine contamination issue in general

Our Ministry of Health (http://fsq.moh.gov.my) has a some references -

PDF document (requires Acrobat reader) on dairy products that are Not contaminated (http://http://fsq.moh.gov.my/uploads/senaraiproduk.pdf) (in Bahasa Malaysia only)

kwchang

24-09-2008, 09:23 AM

Clarifications by Malaysian dairy product producers in the NST (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Wednesday/National/2358350/Article/index_html) on 24-Sept-08

gary yap

24-09-2008, 09:24 AM

Now 'cari-makan' is tough, to eat also tough as most food products have something to do with China. For coffee or tea, the best still go with creamer la.

tbearer

24-09-2008, 09:34 AM

aiyah, the best is to drink PLAIN WATER :)

QuietStorm

24-09-2008, 09:34 AM

For coffee or tea, the best still go with creamer la.For now, I go with black coffee, to be absolutely sure...until they tell me that coffee beans are also contaminated! :eek: Then, maybe I'll switch to plain water. :D

chin_wan

24-09-2008, 10:21 AM

Nestle milk found to contain melamine in Hong Kong (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-09/21/content_7045016.htm)

Chia Hak Soon

24-09-2008, 11:13 AM

With the high cost of labour , it is normal for manufacturers to seek contract manufacturing in China to keep up to its operation and competition. In this respect it involves food manufacturing sub-contract to smaller outfits. This in turn make it very difficult to trace the culprit who adulterate the formula.
In view of such circumstances, until the manufacturer declares its activities to the public, I shall refrain from taking any milk related products., whether be it subcontracted in China, Thailand, Veitnam,or Cambodia.

The other concern is now the hawker's food. Nowadays, you may see so many Mymmars or Nepalise helpers but they are not to worry. It is the ingredient that their boss buys from that worries me. Take for example 'fish balls and meat balls and yong tow foo., these are some of the items that supplied by contract manufacturers in Kepong, Jinjang and Cheras. If I invite you to visit their 'factory" you would be sure not to eat hawkers' food for sometime.

Time have changed as business gets tougher and the original hardworking skillful hawkers are a few and many pensioners are jumping on board to make a living and thereby sucumbs to this sub-contract chain, resulting in poor and not original skill.

firefox

24-09-2008, 02:26 PM

Becareful of the 3 in coffee that too might be tainted with poison..when it comes to food manufacture and preparation its sad but true we can't trust the Chinaman, h'es not bothered or concerned about your or my health as long he can make his kill.

bslee

24-09-2008, 03:41 PM

when it comes to food manufacture and preparation its sad but true we can't trust the Chinaman, h'es not bothered or concerned about your or my health as long he can make his kill.

I was chatting about manufacturing with a friend and he expressed that its takes great pains and difficult to set up a manufacturing plant in developed countries at EU or USA. They have to conform to numerous rules, regulations and laws that act and protect pollution of enviroment, unfair labor practices and strict enforcment of hygiene standards. China still have a long way to go and people will still flout and "don't care attitude" as long as profits are there.
They can pollute the rivers, streams, the air, the whole country for that matter, it won't hurt investors a bit. Labor is cheap, still large room for exploitation and all sorts of malpractices that won't be condoned in their own country. They'll even put the blame on the Chinamen who'll likely not bother and life have to go on. Malaysia have similar issues as enforcement ain't quite there. Observe the Pasar Ramadan, food ain't COVERED and flies all over the place. I bet 8/10 people will suffer from some stomach upset (including me) because of contaminated food due to vendor's apathy and carelessness.
Back to China!.. investors with manufacturing plants will exploit the situation to the fullest as long as China government doesn't change the situation and working culture very swiftly. It'll run down consumer confidence fast and I'll likely see the day everyone will have personal reservations of China products for decades to come.
I dare to say it'll take less than half the world's countries to ban imports from China and China is in big TROUBLE on their economy! The government better act firm and swift!.

HTCHONG

25-09-2008, 10:39 AM

5 more food items found contaminated ! Even puffed rice rolls...what a joke ! :eek:

http://www.asiaone.com/Health/Eat%2BRight/Story/A1Story20080924-89825.html

QuietStorm

25-09-2008, 10:45 AM

Shocking! Nothing is safe to eat anymore! :eek:

chin_wan

25-09-2008, 01:21 PM

Just got an SMS from a friend in China saying Abbott milk is also affected in China. Anyone can confirm?

Press statement from Abbott:
http://abbottnutrition.com/news_and_media/press_releases/pressReleaseDetail.aspx?ContentTitle=Abbott%20Nutr ition%20Statement%20on%20Infant%20Formula%20Contam ination%20in%20China&year=2008

kuma

25-09-2008, 05:45 PM

"The initial statement by the Health Ministry was that baby formula sold in Malaysia "is safe" and that Malaysia does not import milk or milk-based products from China, only to later admit to the contrary is questionable,"

READ MORE HERE ( http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/9582-wan-azizah-slams-authorities-over-milk-scare)

silver_bird

26-09-2008, 01:03 PM

What the heck, Baby Orang Utans in China also affected !!!

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/NewsBreak/20080926125759/Article/index_html

HTCHONG

26-09-2008, 01:55 PM

What the heck, Baby Orang Utans in China also affected !!!

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/NewsBreak/20080926125759/Article/index_html

This has to be the "joke of the century" even animal is not spared from the tainted milk. May be more similar reports will be out from zoos which have used China's milk products. :o

The sales of traditional Chinese medicine are also affected … :p

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/cna/20080926/tap-371-spore-consumer-confidence-chines-231650b.html

USJ27Resident

26-09-2008, 01:56 PM

5 more food items found contaminated ! Even puffed rice rolls...what a joke ! :eek:

http://www.asiaone.com/Health/Eat%2BRight/Story/A1Story20080924-89825.html

The affected items are:

1. Dutch Lady Banana Flavoured Milk

2. Dutch Lady Honeydew Flavoured Milk

3. Silang - House of Steamed Potato - Potato Cracker

4. Xu Fu Ji Puffed Rice Rolls - Butter Corn Flavour; and

5. Xu Fu Ji Puffed Rice Rolls - Cheese Flavour

Are these sold here? :eek:

HTCHONG

26-09-2008, 01:59 PM

The affected items are:

1. Dutch Lady Banana Flavoured Milk

2. Dutch Lady Honeydew Flavoured Milk

3. Silang - House of Steamed Potato - Potato Cracker

4. Xu Fu Ji Puffed Rice Rolls - Butter Corn Flavour; and

5. Xu Fu Ji Puffed Rice Rolls - Cheese Flavour

Are these sold here? :eek:

I don't know. It is a note for all.

Justme123

26-09-2008, 02:28 PM

I had been reading about the prevalent use of arsenic and cynide in chinese (originating from China) medicines plus nitrates and other preservatives in their food since long ago.
I have always mention this reservation, but often is met with a scorn from others.
We should be cautious of food and medicines from any country which do not have good testing, quality control and other checks in place. I understand, even with a superb system of checks in place, there is no guarantee of safety, but at least the risk is lesser.

kwchang

26-09-2008, 03:22 PM

kwchang

26-09-2008, 03:29 PM

LMei

26-09-2008, 04:25 PM

firefox

26-09-2008, 04:45 PM

"At least 13,000 children in China are still in hospital as a result of drinking contaminated powder milk. Four babies have died and some 53,000 made ill," reports BBC... thank God so far no reports from Malaysia.

tsd

26-09-2008, 05:43 PM

This is the approved list publised in the star.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/26/nation/2124774&sec=nation

How come Mead Johnson is not in the list :confused: :eek: ? My son is now taking Enfa Grow milk.

They should list out all those that failed the test, so if our children are taking them... we can do something about it. Some of us may still have alot of milk stock at home.

silver_bird

26-09-2008, 11:34 PM

Melamine use "rampant" in China feed business

Besides tainted baby formula, Melamine is rampant among farmers and feed-ingredient manufacturers in Hebei province so that the cows produce high-protein milk.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080925/wl_nm/us_china_milk_melamineint

USJ27Resident

26-09-2008, 11:55 PM

This report was made by AVA Singapore .... The list does not apply to Malaysia

Why not applied to Malaysia?... AVA only comment/disclose items affecting Singapore market... what about Malaysia market, which Malaysian Govt body is suppose to do the same...to check the stuff??

Question was... "are these items sold here?"

A lot of stuff are manufactured/made at a centralised plant/factory but are distributed/marketed by regional companies... AVA says those items are affected ~ another question is, where are those stuff made? and does the same plant/factory supply it to their Malaysian counterpart? :confused:

jadewhite

27-09-2008, 11:35 PM

In the BOLEH LAND, problem = tai chi. If there is benefit, all will rush for ownership

blurrman

29-09-2008, 08:41 PM

The above list was reported in BERNAMA (http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsworld.php?id=361146) as well as Today Online (http://www.todayonline.com/articles/277854.asp) - the TodayOnline article clarified that the levels of melamine in those 5 extra products are so low that it would not be dangerous

It also said the levels of melamine detected in the products here were low and hence, unlikely to result in adverse health effects.

The public need to consume large quantities of the contaminated products over a prolonged period of time to have any potential ill-effects on health, AVA said.

it is really irresponsible for AVA to said so, how low the level is, it should not have melamine in the first place!!

blurrman

29-09-2008, 08:44 PM

M&M , Oreo now!!
http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=751001&lang=eng_news&cate_img=49.jpg&cate_rss=news_Society_TAIWAN

ivanhow

30-09-2008, 12:27 PM

With so much of uncertainty on what's in our foodstuff on the shelf, one really wonders whether they are all that safe... :confused:

Is there an independant body that does testing of any foodstuff at any time of the year, whether or not there is any suspected contamination anywhere... With so much of foodstuff being manufactured and distributed all over the world, some of them may be packed or re-packed for countries other than it's original destinations. For example, Malaysia import a lot of foodstuff from Thailand, which imports a lot of raw material sourced from competitive sources (which may include China), and manufactes and distributes them to countries like Singapore and Phillipines, not forgetting Malaysia as well. :eek:

How can we be sure that the foodstuff does not contain ingredients that are imported from 3rd countries which import raw material from affected sources?

Are our consumer watchdogs sampling foodstuff to determine that they are all safe?

Wan Wan

30-09-2008, 01:59 PM

Any independent foodstuff testing body in Malaysia??
Are our consumer watchdogs sampling foodstuff to determine that they are all safe?There are food laboratory but these are use by manufacturers for their convenience and export requirements.
Export manufacturers also use the Health Ministry for the certification.
Testing foodstuff is expensive.
Last amount I know cost about RM2000 per item.
That also for certain specification only.

I doubt this gomen would spend this type of money.
Then there is the credibility of the test & results.
Hope they proof me wrong.

ivanhow

06-10-2008, 01:51 AM

...I doubt this gomen would spend this type of money.
Then there is the credibility of the test & results.
Hope they proof me wrong.
Looks like our food testing labs are insufficient. While we wait for the ministry to obtain the results, it is possible the current stock would have been already consumed by unsuspecting buyers. :eek:

More labs to be set up for testing melamine (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/10/1/nation/20081001202900&sec=nation)

And now, the latest report says, China reported there is no more melamine detected in their baby milk formula.. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/ap_on_re_as/as_asia_tainted_milk)
But how can consumers be sure when results take weeks if not months to be out? :(

Chia Hak Soon

06-10-2008, 11:37 AM

This melamine thingy is no big deal. It is like those days , in malaysia somewhere in Teluk Intan a few guys died after eating " rat noodles ". Later they discovered that too much of boric acid was added to make the noodles spingy. In fact all kueh tiow, fish balls, chicken balls, meat balls needs boric acid to make it spingy, the trouble is how much. The same with melamine, it acts as a perservative.

So you think the sotong is nice with kangkong ?. But do you realise that they use soda to bloat a dried cuttlefish into a spingy sotong.

What about the sausages, canned ham, etc. The other day I was waiting beside a 'yau char kuey and harm chee pan " stall, what I saw make me quit eating. The guy put in some powder into the already hot oil while frying. I asked him what is it and he replied some ammonia kind of powder. He said it will give the fries more crispy and lasting. The same with goreng pisang.

See, if it is simple flour, no business , so as the public demand, follow the crowd.

Roast Duck- the guy needs to blow the duck using his own breath ( God knows how clean ) to marinate before they bake it. And bravo , here we love golden roast duck.

Chicken skin of leg krabu- In thailand , they use cheap labour to bite out the skin. their teeth are all half decayed. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Despite the above , life goes on.

silver_bird

16-10-2008, 03:31 PM

Khong Guan and Khian Guan biscuit banned !!!

http://malaysiadigest.blogspot.com/2008/10/khong-guan-khian-guan-biscuits-banned.html

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/10/16/nation/20081016125216&sec=nation

HTCHONG

16-10-2008, 03:37 PM

I am just wondering what else can we eat ? :o

tsd

16-10-2008, 04:00 PM

Julie biscuit also has it...
http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=26653

This melamine thingy is no big deal. It is like those days , in malaysia somewhere in Teluk Intan a few guys died after eating " rat noodles ". Later they discovered that too much of boric acid was added to make the noodles spingy. In fact all kueh tiow, fish balls, chicken balls, meat balls needs boric acid to make it spingy, the trouble is how much. The same with melamine, it acts as a perservative.

So you think the sotong is nice with kangkong ?. But do you realise that they use soda to bloat a dried cuttlefish into a spingy sotong.

What about the sausages, canned ham, etc. The other day I was waiting beside a 'yau char kuey and harm chee pan " stall, what I saw make me quit eating. The guy put in some powder into the already hot oil while frying. I asked him what is it and he replied some ammonia kind of powder. He said it will give the fries more crispy and lasting. The same with goreng pisang.

See, if it is simple flour, no business , so as the public demand, follow the crowd.

Roast Duck- the guy needs to blow the duck using his own breath ( God knows how clean ) to marinate before they bake it. And bravo , here we love golden roast duck.

Chicken skin of leg krabu- In thailand , they use cheap labour to bite out the skin. their teeth are all half decayed. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Despite the above , life goes on.

thats right, too many modern preservative and additive with all sorts of dangerous ingredients. Even baking powder has danger. Take a look at this article http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9803E7DF1330E633A2575BC0A9679D94 699FD7CF

bslee

16-10-2008, 11:40 PM

I am just wondering what else can we eat ? :o

Generally, I'm never too trusting on pure local produce. There may be more to be uncovered...wait n see!. We've yet to hear about local ice-creams or related confectionaries, which milk is one raw material.

fRaNkY

17-10-2008, 08:20 AM

cream crackers :D soh tah pia

tsd

17-10-2008, 09:06 AM

these are all preservative... becareful with things that have long shelf life.

umadavid

17-10-2008, 09:56 AM

NOoooooooooooooooo! Not my favorite lemon puff bisciuts, too! Aiyoo, we have contaminating our bodies for eons! :eek: How to get rid of these toxins which may have build up slowly over the years in our bodoies till...one last biscuit equal to the very last one ever. :mad:

Quality ? out it goes! Health concerns? Out the window!

HTCHONG

17-10-2008, 11:03 AM

.....How to get rid of these toxins which may have build up slowly over the years in our bodoies till..Quality ? out it goes! Health concerns? Out the window!

I was told that there is no way to get the melamine out from our body, is this correct ?

tsd

17-10-2008, 04:47 PM

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/10/17/nation/2305367&sec=nation

Ammonium bicarbonate is the culprit, another type of baking powder.

bslee

17-10-2008, 04:57 PM

Geez!... Only now we "seem to" be very concerned about what goes into local produced food items and confectionaries ah?..
The thousand dollar question is "What else is now safe in Malaysia?", Rat noodles, tainted vege, rubbish bin vege, dead meat, more than permitted chemicals, preservatives, poisons and "melamine??". God bless us all in this country we're supposed to love.

ivanhow

18-10-2008, 12:45 PM

Julie biscuit also has it...
http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=26653

thats right, too many modern preservative and additive with all sorts of dangerous ingredients. Even baking powder has danger. Take a look at this article http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9803E7DF1330E633A2575BC0A9679D94 699FD7CF
It goes to show that raw material which can come from anywhere and to keep costs down, they get from competitive sources. And if possible, find cheaper alternatives, make more profit at the cost and expense of consumer health if there is nothing detected as hazardous in their raw material used.
Question is do these food related manufacturers perform any incoming inspection for health harzardous substances before passing it to their production line as safe for use ? Are they required to do such tests?

All food manufacturers must perform some incoming control to detect health-harzardous substances. Perhaps World Health bodies such as WHO must require food exporting countries to certify that manufacturers conform to such a requirement - and a list of substances to be certified against. Not sure if such a requirement exists - perhaps it already existed - only that it is lax??