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silver_bird
08-09-2008, 08:07 PM
This grammatically broken NST advertorial dated August 26, 2008 was produced by University Tun Hussein Onn, Malaysia

http://adrianhoe.com/adrianhoe/images/blog/2008/advertorial.gif

http://adrianhoe.com/adrianhoe/2008/08/30/a-disgrace-to-malaysian-tertiary-education/

http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/12081/84/

Only Malaysia boleh !!!

scorgio
08-09-2008, 08:23 PM
I 'tak boleh tahan' reading the advertorial.

Worse than UPSR level!!

tupai
08-09-2008, 08:50 PM
give chance lah...the pioneering russian astronauts went to space without knowing hwo to write inglis also wah :D Ditto the pyramid/greatwall 'engineers' of yonder wah...

my englang is not so happenin but i now on same same par with many peers whose ingliss literati stendet is stratosphere level leh! :p

If everybody speekin' kueen's inglis, who gonna sing rap & rock&roll leh? :D :D

i am sure u capish lah...can do ok.

Yang Boleh inglang sket latotupai :D

GreenBug
09-09-2008, 12:00 AM
This has been posted and discussed thoroughly in the "Search for a Writer" thread since 3rd September 2008... one more time eh?

Jennylim
18-09-2008, 11:39 AM
http://thestar.com.my/columnists/story.asp?col=alongthewatchtower&file=/2008/9/11/columnists/alongthewatchtower/20080911073517&sec=Along%20The%20Watchtower

What a howling shame
By M.VEERA PANDIYAN


Is he thinking? I was thinking. This is about putting the right person for the job, not about English! This is about poor HR/Government/Management policies.

Many Malaysian write better than the one preparing the citation. For some of you, your kids might write better than this guy. But these are not the ones the University employed.

Sometimes people's attachment to English is so strong that they became emotional and can't think "out of English box". Like some of the on going debate of Math and Science in English. We look silly in the eyes of those native of English speaking countries, look like an i---- to native of non-English speaking countries except Malaysia.

Many may not realize a lot of young graduates applying for jobs today would not have qualified for a University entry 20 years ago, so how do you expect them to be good in English and other areas of works as well. They are not the cream of the crop like some of you or Jeff Ooi or Tony Phua or Hannah Yeoh and so and so ……We should be happy if they can do their job well. Like a programmer writing a good programme, a cook cooks delicious food, a teacher knows how to teach effectively, etc.

Come to think of it, has the standard of English been really lower? When I was 12 years old, I can’t even say a complete English sentence, but my child started reading Harry Porter series at 9 years old, he is no exception among children in my neighbourhood.

Or is it standard of English competency in SJKC has raised tremendously but not others because they don't have the truthly qualified teachers to teach English?

Frankly, all education problems (English, Math, Science, Geography, etc) we are facing today is the result of teachers training colleges' recruitment policies and poorly planned teaching material and syllabus.

We now have failing English teachers, doctors, engineers(roof collaspe, building collapse), ....CAN ENGLISH solve these problems?

I just hope one day the policy makers wake up and think, think out of the "English box", get to the root of the problems.

burntan
18-09-2008, 02:00 PM
Ehrr... this is Malaysia, not England.

Even the president of USA don't know how to spell the word "potato", what do you expect?

Wan Wan
18-09-2008, 02:30 PM
It is not so much as 'think out of the "English box"'!
From my point of view it's mainly the 'political will',
whether those in authority, in position of power, to effect those changes about how much education the Rakyat should received,
or rather will the politicians appreciate the electorates especially the rural areas getting as smart as the Urban electorates.
At the rate it is going, that is given a dual language option in the exams, all this discussion will become pointless & we do not have to think out of the "English box" any longer!

Laughingman
18-09-2008, 02:45 PM
What a shame!

ginaphan
18-09-2008, 04:00 PM
Even the president of USA don't know how to spell the word "potato", what do you expect?

It was the former VP that made the mistake of spelling 'potatoes' wrongly. But look at him now, he being hailed for his environmental work, which a lost of us did not know he had a passion for.

Sometimes, the political activities take you away from what your actual calling is. He is a much happier person now and perhaps one day may win a Nobel.

HAN2
18-09-2008, 05:36 PM
It was the former VP that made the mistake of spelling 'potatoes' wrongly. But look at him now, he being hailed for his environmental work, which a lost of us did not know he had a passion for.

Sometimes, the political activities take you away from what your actual calling is. He is a much happier person now and perhaps one day may win a Nobel.

The VP who made the slip spelling potato as 'potatoe' was Dan Quayle.

The VP hailed for environmental works now is Al Gore.

Two different persons.

ginaphan
18-09-2008, 09:09 PM
Yes, you are right. I mixed the two up.

I stand corrected. Thanks Han2.

If it's any consolation, I am not a result of local tertiary education. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!

HAN2
18-09-2008, 10:00 PM
Yes, you are right. I mixed the two up.

I stand corrected. Thanks Han2.

If it's any consolation, I am not a result of local tertiary education. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!

Whats wrong with local tertiary education? Both my degree and my masters are from UM. I am proud of them.

USJ27Resident
18-09-2008, 10:26 PM
" YAM Raja Zarith is a third son to Duli Yang Maha Mulia Paduka Seri Sultan Perak Darul Ridzwan and Duli Yang Maha Mulia Raja Mazuwin binti Almarhum Raja Arif Shah. "

Huh?? Son? how did that happen....??? :eek:

ginaphan
18-09-2008, 10:31 PM
Whats wrong with local tertiary education? Both my degree and my masters are from UM. I am proud of them.

Nothing wrong with it. That's why I said "If it is any consolation ...." because even a result from foreign tertiary education can make boo-boos like I did.

Loosen up lah. (~peace~)

HAN2
19-09-2008, 11:27 AM
Nothing wrong with it. That's why I said "If it is any consolation ...." because even a result from foreign tertiary education can make boo-boos like I did.

Loosen up lah. (~peace~)

In my 26 years in management, I have never been able to see the advantages foreign graduates over local graduates... my conclusion is that "it is all dependant on the individuals" and the subsequent training they get....

bugbear
19-09-2008, 11:29 AM
Nothing wrong with it. That's why I said "If it is any consolation ...." because even a result from foreign tertiary education can make boo-boos like I did.

Loosen up lah. (~peace~)
I believe it is not about where you get your education that is important but what you did after graduating from it. Obviously, those who pass out from a foreign uni stand better in English as a head start but whether they improve after that is the question.

USJ27Resident
19-09-2008, 12:24 PM
Obviously, those who pass out from a foreign uni stand better in English as a head start but whether they improve after that is the question.

hmmm.... are you referring to an infamous son in law of a very famous sleepy head? :p if the same fella... well, he seems to be doing really well with his boutique... even named it after the stupid emperor's new clothes :D

ginaphan
19-09-2008, 12:34 PM
Hey, folks: I apologise for my 1-liner that is making it into a foreign vs local education thread. It was said with with humility. I will try to be more careful next time because it can be read in so many ways.

Let's get back on track.

mykern
19-09-2008, 02:29 PM
So, how about converting on of the 99% pure language paper e.g. history or geography in "england" but science and maths in Melayu?
These papers use less graphs and formulae but almost totally use da language?
Den v have 2 papers in da england?
:rolleyes:

burntan
19-09-2008, 02:35 PM
I received an email saying....

Education Minister, Datuk Seri Hishammudin Tun Hussein's son is doing O levels and will be going off to the United Kingdom this coming
September to further his studies.

Deputy Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak's daughter, Nooryana Najwa has been accepted into Georgetown University in Washington DC to read politics and international relations after doing her IB (International Baccalaureate).

Datuk Seri Hishamuddin Tun Hussein and Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak's children are academically smart. However, it seems like both of them did not sit for
SPM.

Before doing her IB, Nooryana had her education in Garden International School. Najib's son, Norashman Razak had his education there too.

But Garden International School bases its curriculum on the National Curriculum of England. It teaches the English National Curriculum through Key Stages 1 to 4 and Cambridge 'A' Level.

So, is that mean Malaysia education system not good enough?

Laughingman
19-09-2008, 02:58 PM
:) education is fun

Wan Wan
19-09-2008, 02:59 PM
So, is that mean Malaysia education system not good enough?Good enough for the politicians.
Can't have so many smart & demanding rakyat running around!

mykern
19-09-2008, 04:10 PM
Tak cukup duit, malaysian education dapat
lebeh duit, england skolah peegee!
Bila sudah kaeos .... chabut!~

Wan Wan
19-09-2008, 07:35 PM
"Malaysia Boleh" start them young

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/90070
UPSR questions leaked... this time via SMS
Fauwaz Abdul Aziz | Sep 19, 08 5:34pm
A primary school teacher claims she received an SMS containing a set of questions for the English paper in the UPSR primary school examinations before the exam took place last week.

Phres
19-09-2008, 07:51 PM
i give English tuition to children from poor families as part of my church community service. My students are all in Form 1 and they were previously from Chinese vernacular schools. They come from families that speak only Mandarin. Their English level is that of Std 2 or 3 and they cannot communicate in English. It is so difficult to teach them ...

If your kids go to Chinese schools, please make sure their English does not fall behind! It is not so bad if they come from English speaking families, it is when their families are Mandarin speaking and on top of that they only read Chinese newspapers and Chinese books, see chinese dramas, so that's why their English is so poor...

sorry if my comments offend those from chinese schools, but i am just sharing my experience...

Wan Wan
19-09-2008, 08:54 PM
... please make sure their English does not fall behind!...Does it really matters?
Do the students care?

Jennylim
19-09-2008, 11:57 PM
Ginaphan, no worries, you are not the first one commented, certainly not the last too. I have heard a colleague said that too, but worse - "If they can employ local graduate, they can employ anybody to work" What happen is this guy's boss is a local graduate, own two listed companies.

I think Lim Gong Tong employed many graduates from oversea universities too. They must have feel very pround of themselves to be able to work with such a big Group. but Lim Gong Tong has never completed a proper education.

dwch
20-09-2008, 11:31 AM
It is so sad to see so many young Malaysians giving up on "good" English skills. I think many of you are not aware that more and more middle to upper class Chinese from mainland China are sending their precious children as young as 8 or 10 to enrol into our Australian schools, either full boarding with relatives or living in boarding schools.

Many mainland chinese are preparing their children and are moulding them to ensure their kids speak perfect english without any chinese accent. Often you would think that they are local students but they are not. They too speak perfect mandarin. Now I see more and more young mainland chinese speaking much better english than those Malaysian overseas students.
I'm sorry to say many newly arrived Malaysian students have such strong accent that many local people here find it hard to comprehend them.

I'm not surprise in just a short decade many mainland chinese will soon over take Malaysia in perfecting their written and communication skills in English. While in Malaysia many are still sitting on the fence and would in turn have to travel to China to learn english someday.

HAN2
20-09-2008, 11:39 AM
I'm not surprise in just a short decade many mainland chinese will soon over take Malaysia in perfecting their written and communication skills in English. While in Malaysia many are still sitting on the fence and would in turn have to travel to China to learn english someday.

You don't need another decade. In numbers, there are more mainland Chinese speaking good English than Malaysians... in Singapore, if you drop by Tiong Baru, there are 40,000 mainland China-mama who are here with their children enrolled in English lessons.... beat that!

Firebird
20-09-2008, 11:46 AM
...n Singapore, if you drop by Tiong Baru, there are 40,000 mainland China-mama who are here with their children enrolled in English lessons.....and here we are downplaying the importance of English. Why doesn't the authorities wake up and do something? Doesn't the fact that tons of unemployed local graduates tell them something? :(

HAN2
20-09-2008, 11:56 AM
..and here we are downplaying the importance of English. Why doesn't the authorities wake up and do something? Doesn't the fact that tons of unemployed local graduates tell them something? :(

The authorities can assist... BUT the main responsibility is our own. We must put emphasis that our children are equipped either bi-lingual or tri-lingual. Its really up to us, not the authorities.

Hey look at the way they ding-dong with the SRJK Damansara.... at least 10 years already and they are still ding-donging away.

Wan Wan
20-09-2008, 01:35 PM
..and here we are downplaying the importance of English. Why doesn't the authorities wake up and do something? Perhaps you should be the one to wake up.


..Doesn't the fact that tons of unemployed local graduates tell them something? :(
Tells them that this group will be easily convince to vote for them.

Firebird
20-09-2008, 01:54 PM
Perhaps you should be the one to wake up.What do you mean? Please elaborate.

mykern
20-09-2008, 03:08 PM
Mesa thinkin'
havin' too many languages in the kapla can be veli challenging
In western countries, they master their mother tongue + one more european or asian language.
Here v are required to master Malay, English and their mother tongue ...
Here if you are chinese and can't speak da chinese well, they will ostracise you.
Likewise, indians will not be an indian if you can't speak the dialect.
So that's why we fall behind in English because we must master the mother tongue + Malay.
Even if you answer an exam in english, that is only written english and the examiners do not penalise bad written english.

what say u?

Wan Wan
20-09-2008, 03:41 PM
Even if you answer an exam in english, that is only written english and the examiners do not penalise bad written english.
what say u?Hi ya, why bother answer in english when you can answer in Malay? ;)

pepsi
20-09-2008, 09:08 PM
Hi ya, why bother answer in english when you can answer in Malay? ;)
In short, why bother to teach in English, when we are poor in the English language and we can understand better and answer better in Bahasa Malaysia ?

Wan Wan
21-09-2008, 09:12 AM
In short, why bother to teach in English, when we are poor in the English language and we can understand better and answer better in Bahasa Malaysia ?Try substituting the word 'we' for 'they', cos I do not think those who understands the importance of English would appreciate you lumping them in this group. :D

Below statement epitomized the problem on the English language in Bolehland.

A reform is only complicated if you don’t want it,
If you want reforms, make the Government more transparent, adopt meritocracy and a more equitable system; that’s not difficult. - Datuk Zaid Ibrahim

Jennylim
23-09-2008, 12:20 PM
Firebird

Do you have any contact of the unemployed local gradautes? The last time when we advertise, there were very few applications. We were looking for fresh graduate with Electrical Enigneering Degree/Chemical Engineering Degree/ Sc. Degree major in Chemistry. If you have the contacts of the unemployed, may be next time I will PM you for details ? Never mind with poor English, it is a technical job -we need only person who can work and have right working attitude.