Dog Not Allowed To Be Brought to Parks in SJ/USJ ? [Archive]

kaang

01-09-2008, 12:06 AM

Today around 6pm my friend visited me and brought her small pet dog(fully grown but only 5kilos) to the park nearby at USJ9 with her friends to play. I believed this is the first time my friend brought the pet dog to the park toplay.

There were many people at the field at that time and a man who was sitting 100m away from my friend at the other corner of the field walked to my friend who was playing and taking photo with the dog and KICKED the small pet dog with all his almighty strength - luckily the small pet dog survive the kick and my friend quickly carried the pet dog and the man was very furious and told my friend to bring the pet dog off the field otherwise he is going to his car to get something to kill the dog....what kind of man is this? As far as my friend can understand, this is a public field, why can't a dog be allowed to be brought along to play?

My friend did not know that there was a sign board put up at the park that shown DOG was not allowed to be at the park. This raging man was furious for people bringing the dog to the field.

I can understand why the park was designated NO DOG access as there must have been many cases of the uncivic minded dog owners taking the dogs for a walk in the park and "pooh" there of which definately is very offending to all the park users.

I have no problem with the park being designated as no dog access area BUT the act of kicking the small pet dog without alerting or prewarning the owner of the dog by showing him/her the no dog sign at the park is just like taking the law into his own hand..(I guess if my friend brought a big dog, then it will probably be a different scenerio...)

Why can't we live in a world with a little bit more tolerance to each other....Talk first before action lah.......Now, hantam dulu baru beritahu....Nothing much I can say lah...Of course if my friend is a REPEAT OFFENDER by bringing the dog to the field....then please shoot at sight lah!!!!

orchipalar

01-09-2008, 12:33 AM

Err buddies...real soon...Orchi shall want to see the same town council act be applied n enforced along the roadsides in front of houses on all residential roads...where owners should NOT allow their pets to reach whilst under a leash...or otherwise.

Unlicensed strays are to be rounded up n captured on sight...

Nevertheless...what the neighbour did in this incident can be considered as cruel n uncalled for...

That said...it could be possible that he might have had it up to his nostrils for putting up with the nonsensical n irresponsible behavior of pet owners...

Can't imagine what would have happened...if the offending party(s) got violent into a fight...or someone gotten beat up badly in the heat of the moment...

kuma

01-09-2008, 12:55 AM

What the guy did is cruel, and you can report to RSPCA, i.e. if you want to take up the issue.

However I have to agree that no dogs be allowed in public fields because they may attack others esp. children and of course may do a 'poop poop' which will be messy. ;)

Of course we need also to take into consideration the sentiments of our Muslim neighbors.

merlotwine

01-09-2008, 01:01 AM

orchipalar

01-09-2008, 01:14 AM

Err buddies...at a time like this...Orchi for one misses to be reminded of the famous quote from Buddy Shali(where art thou buddy?)..."2 wrongs don't make a Right..."

When it's a dog issue...one should deal with a dog issue...accordingly.

Please do not mix up a dog issue with the other cat issue...

kuma

01-09-2008, 02:28 AM

just wondering, if dogs are not allow in the said public park due to the 'pooh' matter..then how about other pets like cat, rabbit? how the pet owner can ensure their cats or rabbit will not 'pooh' in the park? i think your friend shall report the incident to the nearest balai as the furious guy was threatening your friend that he will get something to kill the dog... :D

Not mixing the issue here, but a point needs to me made.....

Its not just about the 'pooh'....in fact cat 'pooh' can numb your nostrils for days.:eek: Now I'm not sure about rabbit 'pooh' but on the other hand, chicken 'pooh' is another story - tiny but equally damaging. (Many have chickens as pets i'm sure, some might bring them to the park to pick on worms).

The Point Is....dogs have a tendency to turn aggressive when in the company of strange people. They might just decide to chase a little kid around the park, and at times, many masters can't control them (the dogs I mean). Now you can argue that a 5 kg 'toy' dog can't do much harm, but a bite is a bite and it's an injury.

Cats don't 'meow' or chase strangers around the park!

ps
Sorry guys for the thesis above on 'pooh' ;)

vsat

01-09-2008, 03:05 AM

I went on a waterfall trip once and this guy brought his dog along. He and the dog swam in the cascading waterfall. The were a lot of Malays there and that guy was just pure inconsiderate. I'm Chinese and I think his actions were stupid and ignorant. Yes, ignorant. But the Malays there were cool and never said anything.
So, kaang, your friend must get rid of his/her disease - ignorantimus

merlotwine

01-09-2008, 03:58 AM

bros kuma/orchi,

Dog has tendency to bite and attack strangers, cat might scratch and attack ppl too if being disturbed, why bring a chicken to pick worm in park, damage the field grass, somemore, some agressive rooster will chase & attack kids sometimes. all pets are animal and it 'pooh' naturally everywhere it like, omg, just can't imagine how disgusting when u step on de 'golden mash', this is PARK not pet's playground. :(

The point is everyone has their own favour pets and irritating of some others. To avoid the uncomfortable and be fair of other park users. The municipal shall has sense of public mutual understanding and act rationally. They should have restricted all PETS are not allowed policy in the park. if only dog is not allow, can i bring along my little charming chameleons to de park? ..will someone chase me with parang becoz my cute chameleons might scare away their kids?? :eek: :D :D

Kaang, i feel so sorry about your friend's incident,

Even USJ is a well developed area, however, still have some uncivilised jokers staying around. Kaang, your friend should at least lodge a report to balai, it's fair enough if that joker request your friend/dog to leave the park, but kicking the puppy and threatened your friend that he will kill the puppy is definately a self conceited violences. just like 'i really hate those illegal/double parking road user, becoz of them, the traffic is badly jam, but can i kick their car and threaten them if they dont remove their car away otherwise i will burn their car???' it's doesnt make sense, right?

munamu

01-09-2008, 07:44 AM

Hi everyone. I believe the sign board at all the parks mentioned no pets allowed, not only dogs. Means no cats, rabbits , dogs etc. The kicking of the dog however is too much & cruel.

TQ

tbearer

01-09-2008, 09:37 AM

a little side track here.

I go up to Bukit Gasing in PJ and Kiara Hill often. many times i see owners bringing their dogs on a run with them.

i have phobia for dogs. the trail at Bukit Gasing is already narrow, and especially when you need to share it with the dog and owner, it's not comfortable. some owners put the dog on leash, some let the dog run without the leash. although the dogs i have seen so far are small, thus 'house dogs', honestly, this doesnt warrant that the dog will not bite at all.

once, at Kiara Hill, i have seen this family bringing all their dogs, 3 in total, and letting them run loose. it really scare me.

owners who bring their dogs on hiking trail are inconsiderate, since the trails are so narrow. it makes a lot of trail users uncomfortable.

for parks, owners should bring plastic bags to collect their dogs' poohs.

dogs also have to go out and exercise and walk like humans. but it's the owners who need to be responsible.

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 09:46 AM

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 09:48 AM

Hi everyone. I believe the sign board at all the parks mentioned no pets allowed, not only dogs. Means no cats, rabbits , dogs etc. The kicking of the dog however is too much & cruel.

TQ

Nothing cruel about it. The owner deserves to be kicked also. Read the bloody signboards. Don't claim ignorance as it is no excuse.

jasonbhlee

01-09-2008, 10:37 AM

Nothing cruel about it. The owner deserves to be kicked also. Read the bloody signboards. Don't claim ignorance as it is no excuse.

In order to satisfy everyone, I suggest we have one park in SJ where dog owners can bring their pet for excercise. Other parks are banned. For that particular park where dogs can be brought for excercise, residents who are against dogs can stay away........

orchipalar

01-09-2008, 10:47 AM

Err buddy Jason...as it is...there isn't enough reserved land for greenlungs n recreational park facilities...for fast rising nos. of dwellers in SJ/USJ...

Like their human counterparts... pets such as dogs cats n hamsters need to exercise constantly or they would be overweight...not as healthy according to the vets...

That's why the humans invented high tech advance space-saving treadmills n ingenious treadwheels...

Jayant

01-09-2008, 10:47 AM

..................... The kicking of the dog however is too much & cruel.
Nothing cruel about it. The owner deserves to be kicked also. .................This is comment is totally uncalled for and disgusting ...........

cutebanana

01-09-2008, 11:22 AM

Nothing cruel about it. The owner deserves to be kicked also. Read the bloody signboards. Don't claim ignorance as it is no excuse.

I feel like kicking you right now

ggtee

01-09-2008, 11:44 AM

I think the man should just tell your friend that there is a sign saying, no bringing of dogs to the park instead of whacking the poor dog.

Pets nowadays are treated like a family member. Some people even let their pets sleep on the same bed. So, they treat them like their child. Can you imagine a place like for instance a theatre where there is a sign that says, "No babies allowed" . but you brought your baby there. no one stopped you and all of a sudden your baby cries. Somebody comes over and kick your baby. That's how I would imagine for your friend's pet.

I wonder if your friend can lodge a report on a mad man attempting to attack your friend and attacking the dog.

tupai

01-09-2008, 12:17 PM

i'll kick the guy who kicked the dog.
I'll also kick the guy who brought his pooch and Pan-Sai all over without picking the Sai-Sai up! :mad:

Its not the dog's fault. Its the ignorant, selfish dog owners who spoilt it all for the responsible dog owners! :mad: The dogs also didnt know that they are haram...no one told 'em! 'em dogs are innocent and they need to berak too! No one also told the ignoramus that all animals are God creatures.

A story=== HE was having a late nite TT in setapak. Along came a stray. 1 guy at neigbouring table poured his hot drink on the poor stray and gave it a hard kick too. HE shouted at the bully to stop, commented the stray is also a creature of Allah/God. The bully and his 2 friends took offense and hurled insulting ugly words at HIM. He admonished them further and next thing? A brawl had happened. 3 guys against 1.

Of course, they didnt know that HE was a VAT69 commando. Later,He actually sent all 3 to the hospital (reaffirms his compassion & humanity). HE is also a pious muslim and HE is my friend :D

Yang Banyak kawan muslim latotupai :)

kwchang

01-09-2008, 12:41 PM

Nothing cruel about it. The owner deserves to be kicked also. Read the bloody signboards. Don't claim ignorance as it is no excuse.
Maurice, your last comment is basically non-civil. No matter what law there is, everyone needs to be educated. Just a nice advice to the pet owner would suffice. Kicking is no different from taking the law into your own hands. What then, we would ask, would happen to the civil society?

kaang

01-09-2008, 01:50 PM

I started this thread just to share with our fellow forum friends that even in this middle class educated SJ/USJ neighbourhood, we still have some community friends who are not able to tolerate others - of course there are always limits to how much one can tolerate but not to the extend of taking law in his/her own hand...after all we live in a civil society. I stress again that I do not have dogs and I am not a dog lover either and I do share the views of others that dogs not supposed to be brought out without leashed regradless of how small the dog is and the owner should be resposible for the droppings by the dogs....

As I mentioned earlier in my thread, my friend is a visitor to my house and first time brought the little dog out to the field to play and how on earth one that is unfamiliar with the place go and purposely look around for the sign board to see if DOG is alllowed or not....

I guess some of the forum friends are really not having good experiences with the dogs and worst still there may be some irresponsible and uncivic minded dog owners who may have repeated their acts and reinforced the hatred of fellow forum friends towards the dogs...

We do not live in a perfect world and what I am lookng forward is to have a better living environment in our neigbourhood and hopfully our community can be just a little bit more tolerance to each others and please do not take the law into one's own hand....

That middle age adult grown up man(may be he is the protector for usj9 park lah...he may have adopted the park by himself and the neighbours lookng after the upkeeping and planted more trees which is good) really shaken the young lady who brought the small dog out to the field....(I guess my young lady friend will forever remember such an incident....)...

Anyway, I will rest my case lah, no need to argue anymore lah, next time, don't bring your dogs to the parks without being leashed and best still don't bring them to parks...cos we live in a world(especially in Malaysia) where we have to tolerate each others..There is no winner in this case lah...

Thanks for all the comments and feedbacks...

coogee

01-09-2008, 01:54 PM

This is comment is totally uncalled for and disgusting ...........

Yep fully agreed with you on this point....why do we always have to come across forum vigilantes who got nothing better to do but just bend on antagonising others? Fellows, use the flaming gun somewhere else or to better use...all this thread is to tell how on earth can someone kick a 5kg dog without warning. Even if the dog owner is in the wrong no one got a bloody right to kick the dog, pure and simple. Now I am beginning to understand why Malaysian society's civility is so down the longkang. But alas when same type of people gets to be on the receiving end they shout murder.

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 03:22 PM

This is comment is totally uncalled for and disgusting ...........

Not really. It is just a different viewpoint. In the same way I find Coogee and your overwhelming love for mankind and animal hypocritical and equally disgusting.

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 03:31 PM

Pets nowadays are treated like a family member. Some people even let their pets sleep on the same bed. So, they treat them like their child. Can you imagine a place like for instance a theatre where there is a sign that says, "No babies allowed" . but you brought your baby there. no one stopped you and all of a sudden your baby cries. Somebody comes over and kick your baby.

I love it when a person equates his dog to his baby. Well done. :D I know of people who equate their hamsters and golfish to their babies also. So you are really not alone.

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 03:39 PM

Maurice, your last comment is basically non-civil. No matter what law there is, everyone needs to be educated. Just a nice advice to the pet owner would suffice. Kicking is no different from taking the law into your own hands. What then, we would ask, would happen to the civil society?

OK KWChang. I see and accept your point.

coogee

01-09-2008, 03:39 PM

I love it when a person equates his dog to his baby. Well done. :D

What's wrong with this chap?????? Why does the mod/admin continue to let people like him terrorise this forum???

coogee

01-09-2008, 03:42 PM

Not really. It is just a different viewpoint. In the same way I find Coogee and your overwhelming love for mankind and animal hypocritical and equally disgusting.

And your continuous sweeping statements is making you a total fool of yourself!!

Jayant

01-09-2008, 03:44 PM

I love it when a person equates his dog to his baby. Well done. :D I know of people who equate their hamsters and golfish to their babies also. So you are really not alone............. and your point (other than scoring points for totally misplaced sarcasm ) being ?

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 03:46 PM

What's wrong with this chap?????? Why does the mod/admin continue to let people like him terrorise this forum???

I terrorise people in this forum? Just because I do not share the same viewpoint as you? Did I ever get violent or use abusive words on you and others? It is people such as Cutebanana who wants to kick me etc and I never even said anything. You were also the one who jumped on Han2 for making a comment which has nothing to do with whatever your over imaginative mind was thinking. I feel very strongly so that the owner should be kicked (and not the dog) for not noticing the signboards. That was all. And you went into a moralizing story on me and society in general.

Jayant

01-09-2008, 03:47 PM

Not really. It is just a different viewpoint. In the same way I find Coogee and your overwhelming love for mankind and animal hypocritical and equally disgusting.chang your lovey dovey handling of this guy is gong to ridiculous proportions ...............
Your delicate advise to maurice lim is no different from Abdullah's advise to that Ahmad fella who insulted the Chinese by calling them pendatang :mad: :mad:
What's the beef on this man ?
Why are you pussyfooting around this show of arrogance and total lack of decency ?

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 03:49 PM

And your continuous sweeping statements is making you a total fool of yourself!!

I can make sweeping statements. It is up to people whether they accept it or not. You are in no position to call me a fool. Name calling and you asked KWChang that I should not be allowed to 'terrorise' people? Did I terrorise people? You called me a fool. I did not even call you anything.

Jayant

01-09-2008, 03:51 PM

I terrorise people in this forum? Just because I do not share the same viewpoint as you? Did I ever get violent or use abusive words on you and others? It is people such as Cutebanana who wants to kick me etc and I never even said anything. You were also the one who jumped on Han2 for making a comment which has nothing to do with whatever your over imaginative mind was thinking. I feel very strongly so that the owner should be kicked (and not the dog) for not noticing the signboards. That was all. And you went into a moralizing story on me and society in general.You put your foot in your mouth again ........... Now pray tell when did you say that the dog did not deserve a kick ??????
Stop modifying the truth.
What perverse reasoning would have prompted you to agree to the action of that individual who kicked the dog in the first place. Dont side track :mad:

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 03:51 PM

chang your lovey dovey handling of this guy is gong to ridiculous proportions ...............
Your delicate advise to maurice lim is no different from Abdullah's advise to that Ahmad fella who insulted the Chinese by calling them pendatang :mad: :mad:
What's the beef on this man ?
Why are you pussyfooting around this show of arrogance and total lack of decency ?

You and Coogee can lambast me and I cannot say anything? Why are you appealing to Chang to take action on me? Chang has already told me off in his post and I have said I accepted his advice. It is you, Coogee and Cutebanana who are hell-bent to call me all sorts of names.

I am not going to reply to you two. That constitutes arguing and that warrants a banana.

Jayant

01-09-2008, 03:57 PM

..........................Chang has already told me off in his post and I have said I accepted his advice. ..................Was that before or after you lied about (and not the dog) .......
Stop squealing and whining PLEEEEASE when caught with your pants down.
You offend everyone here with your remark about the dog and claim that your accepting chang's advise is retribution ............ just what are you made of maurice lim ?

merlotwine

01-09-2008, 05:03 PM

maurice lim,

that's your way of doing thing? someone who act stupidy/ignorance shall deserve a BULLY and THREATEN or a PHYSICAL ABUSE?

if kaang lady's friend comes with few big guys that moment, what will happen to that so called 'park protector'...If you that think your fist is big enough to take laws into your hand, ...god bless you then..others might have bigger one to grasp your head...

* Dont make this pretty bolehland become cowboyland or taikoland, we dont have to carry a gun/parang to settle our problem.........

cutebanana

01-09-2008, 05:16 PM

You and Coogee can lambast me and I cannot say anything? Why are you appealing to Chang to take action on me? Chang has already told me off in his post and I have said I accepted his advice. It is you, Coogee and Cutebanana who are hell-bent to call me all sorts of names.

I am not going to reply to you two. That constitutes arguing and that warrants a banana.

Maurice Lim, sorry if i had offended you. Please accept my apology.

vsat

01-09-2008, 05:21 PM

Anyway, I will rest my case lah, no need to argue anymore lah, next time, don't bring your dogs to the parks without being leashed and best still don't bring them to parks...cos we live in a world(especially in Malaysia) where we have to tolerate each others..There is no winner in this case lah...

Thanks for all the comments and feedbacks...

Of course, we will have to tolerate each other. It's not only in this country o
Yeeshhh...wanna close the case but add in sarcasm.

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 05:49 PM

Of course, we will have to tolerate each other. It's not only in this country o
Yeeshhh...wanna close the case but add in sarcasm.

That is funny coming from somebody who posted this

I don't know the whole facts, but for his own PKR team mate to punch, I guessed he really did deserve to get punched. He also needs to get rid of his disease - ignorantimus about Gwo Burne.

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 05:56 PM

Maurice Lim, sorry if i had offended you. Please accept my apology.

Cutebanana - No issue. :)

Coogee, Jayant & Melotwine - I said the owner of the dog should be kicked. Even if I said the dog should be kicked, I was expressing my viewpoint. You are welcome to disagree with me. Instead you three get personal and called me a fool and made all other personal remarks.

coogee

01-09-2008, 06:16 PM

I terrorise people in this forum? Just because I do not share the same viewpoint as you? Did I ever get violent or use abusive words on you and others? It is people such as Cutebanana who wants to kick me etc and I never even said anything. You were also the one who jumped on Han2 for making a comment which has nothing to do with whatever your over imaginative mind was thinking. I feel very strongly so that the owner should be kicked (and not the dog) for not noticing the signboards. That was all. And you went into a moralizing story on me and society in general.

Mate, just take a step back and see how many postings brought up by you nearly always have to pissed some people off. Go get a life. Still not too late.

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 06:26 PM

Mate, just take a step back and see how many postings brought up by you nearly always have to pissed some people off. Go get a life. Still not too late.

On the contrary. You seem to be easily pissed off when people post views which you do not agree. Just take a step back and see. Don't assume. I have a pretty good life. I have everything I want or need. Just ask around those who know me.

coogee

01-09-2008, 06:29 PM

On the contrary. You seem to be easily pissed off when people post views which you do not agree. Just take a step back and see.
Wah this person damn stubborn lah.....

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 06:30 PM

Wah this person damn stubborn lah.....

Perhaps you should get a life? You sound very frustrated and constipated.

coogee

01-09-2008, 06:40 PM

Perhaps you should get a life? You sound very frustrated and constipated.

Maurice, Maurice my mate....you really really do seem to be a very angry and stressed man... what happened to you in the past mate??

HAN2

01-09-2008, 06:52 PM

Cutebanana - No issue. :)

Coogee, Jayant & Melotwine - I said the owner of the dog should be kicked. Even if I said the dog should be kicked, I was expressing my viewpoint. You are welcome to disagree with me. Instead you three get personal and called me a fool and made all other personal remarks.

This is a community website right? As long as there is no vulgarity, political campaigning, no obscenities, I think Maurice is just expressing himself... this is freedom of speech, is it not?

I used to live in USJ4 and I use the field at USJ9 very often, many times I also want to kick at the dogs there and kick the ignoramus owners as well. I am not even Muslim, I just hate jogging over dog's poops... hey want to help me clean my Nike air... sssh!

At Secret Recipe at the Summit (before they shifted) somebody was feeding her stupid small dog ice cream next table and there were other Muslim patrons on the next table... talking about stupidity! "Oh, I am outisde table, its okay lah!" Hey lady, the waiters and waitresses are Muslim, have some sense of responsibility lah living in a multi-racial community.

Is your Cocker Spaniel more important than my life?

merlotwine

01-09-2008, 07:15 PM

Cutebanana - No issue. :)

Coogee, Jayant & Melotwine - I said the owner of the dog should be kicked. Even if I said the dog should be kicked, I was expressing my viewpoint. You are welcome to disagree with me. Instead you three get personal and called me a fool and made all other personal remarks.

maurice, of course, it's fair for anyone to express their point of view,,so are u and i...

:confused: i NEVER called u a fool and never attack you in words..why u said that on me? :cool:..somemore, i pray for god to bless u..gosh... :rolleyes: buddies, u ok?

Seems like you're the one who like get it personal and being agrresive to those ppl who disagree with u! i am just expressing my angle that don't bully ppl and take laws into your own hand..one's bully ten might come back...no one was born to be 'bully' :D

maurice lim

01-09-2008, 07:20 PM

At Secret Recipe at the Summit (before they shifted) somebody was feeding her stupid small dog ice cream next table and there were other Muslim patrons on the next table... talking about stupidity!

Han2. It is not only about the sensitivity of Muslims only but the sensitivity of others. I have seen owners putting their dogs on chairs on coffee shops and eating from the tables (for example, in SS19 pan-mee coffee shop, SS14 coffee shop and Kuchai Lama dim-sum coffee shop). The dogs ate from the tables. It is unhygenic and totally irresponsible and insensitive to others.

The dog owners can let their dogs eat from the tables in their own houses if they like. They can let their dogs sleep on their beds. They can let their dogs sleep in the baby cots with their babies. They can shower with their dogs and taking baths in the tubs with their dogs. They can let their dogs dump pooh on their carpets and settee. No issue. Just don't do it in a public area where many people do not share that same feeling as you have for your dogs.

chookyan

01-09-2008, 07:24 PM

I used to live in USJ4 and I use the field at USJ9 very often, many times I also want to kick at the dogs there and kick the ignoramus owners as well. I am not even Muslim, I just hate jogging over dog's poops... hey want to help me clean my Nike air... sssh!

- HAN2 I support you 110% - there was this time early in the morning when I was leaving the house, this guy was walking his ugly looking dog and his ugly thing just poops infront of my car and I was being very polite to tell that guy to clean it up. Guess he told me - Mind your own business and I told him back don't ever let me find out where you stay or else your ugly dog will be the 1st dog to be bought in by MSPJ for that day... Never seen him or his ugly thing since.

Dog owners be more considerate!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

HAN2

01-09-2008, 07:29 PM

vsat

01-09-2008, 08:11 PM

That is funny coming from somebody who posted this

about Gwo Burne.

Nice one maurice_lim. You cornered me. I'll back away from this thread.

merlotwine

01-09-2008, 08:21 PM

buddies, if someone(pet owners) or something(dog or cat) insult you or your life, of course it's fair for u to fight back. i did agreed with han2 and chookyan, some funny pet owner will never ever learn how to be more considerable of other's feeling and those dumb pet owner deserve a SHOUT.

however, in this CASE, the lady is unaware of the NO PET signboard and presuming she has no intention to insult or disturb anyone there. The remark and argument here is that why cant the guy(so called park protector) pre-alert the lady before act rudely against her and her dog? Some ppl might just over-reacting to a small matter due to their past bad experiences on the similiar case..sad on those ppl, please bear in mind that .."2 wrongs don't make a Right..."(a forumer's famous quote :D ) , dont mixed up the issue of that rude guy with other arrogant pet owner cases. This kinda unfair to that poor lady who being bully and physical abuse by the uncivilised joker.

If i were the one who kena bully by that joker, i will immediately whack him back with whatever i have on my hand, violences? I guess not, since that joker attack without pre-alert, i'll considered it's self protection to give him my punch. Our culture here is not hentam baru beritau, why behave like barbarian? We can talk and inform...Just advise ppl here, dont act rude to other's before you learn what is polite and manner.

FOR MAURICELIM-

Cutebanana - No issue. :)

Coogee, Jayant & Melotwine - I said the owner of the dog should be kicked. Even if I said the dog should be kicked, I was expressing my viewpoint. You are welcome to disagree with me. Instead you three get personal and called me a fool and made all other personal remarks.

I have never even called you a FOOL or have a personal attack you in words! I am also expressing my angle too.. Do you think i deserve an apologise from you?? or you'll just pretending you dont know any? :cool:

creativ

01-09-2008, 09:50 PM

Nothing cruel about it. The owner deserves to be kicked also. Read the bloody signboards. Don't claim ignorance as it is no excuse.

You are one hell of a sicko.

HAN2

01-09-2008, 10:23 PM

You are one hell of a sicko.
Easy to call another a sicko. But have you ever stepped on dog's poo at USJ9? And what if you are a Muslim? Think about it before labelling others sick.

If I see a dog poo and the owner pretend not to know, I will personally chase after him and make sure he clears the poo, that is me.

You don't have to like me and you can call me a sicko too, but if ever your dog poo in front of me when I am jogging there, go buy more insurance.

Not just for the dog, for yourself too....

Jayant

01-09-2008, 10:30 PM

Jayant

01-09-2008, 10:33 PM

Jogging to me is both a physical exercise and a theraphy. Thats when all thoughts from the office go thru the head and I think thru some issues so that by the time I finish my 10 laps, I can have a good shower and enjoy my dinner without a troubled thought in my head.... then suddenly a stupid German Spitz yelped at you at her high-pitched bark from the dark.... I will kick the bugger if I can get hold of "her" there and then!

p.s. the right word to use for 'her' is 'bitch' but knowing how touchy Chang is today, better not risk the banana, ha ha!The dog refered to in the first post deserved a kick purely because you narrate a story of your encounter with the business end of some other dog ? :rolleyes:
What terrible and dangerous thing was this dog in this story ( i.e. post # 1 )doing to deserve a kick ?
You are doing a great job of protecting and cleaning maurice lim's image with strong detergent. 3 cheers for freedom of expression.
By the time you are done he will be squeaky clean and not a guy with sadistic inclinations towards animals. 3 cheers for freedom of expression.

Jayant

01-09-2008, 10:36 PM

Easy to call another a sicko. But have you ever stepped on dog's poo at USJ9? And what if you are a Muslim? Think about it before labelling others sick.

If I see a dog poo and the owner pretend not to know, I will personally chase after him and make sure he clears the poo, that is me.

You don't have to like me and you can call me a sicko too, but if ever your dog poo in front of me when I am jogging there, go buy more insurance.

Not just for the dog, for yourself too....Therefore, maurice lim is proven not to have sadistic intentions towards helpless animals. 3 cheers for freedom of expression.

Jayant

02-09-2008, 12:00 AM

Cutebanana - No issue. :)

Coogee, Jayant & Melotwine - I said the owner of the dog should be kicked. Even if I said the dog should be kicked, I was expressing my viewpoint. You are welcome to disagree with me. Instead you three get personal and called me a fool and made all other personal remarks.I disagreed .... but where did you see me calling you a fool ? Another blatant lie maurice lim ?
Yes you were expressing your view .......
So was I ..... for that matter so were everyone that you claim is intolerant of your view. Why is a view about your view not acceptable to you ( the champion of free expression ) ? Why do you whine when your view about kicking the defenseless canines is viewed as sadistic ........ ? it is also a view right ?
Or is a view deemed as a view ONLY if it was your view ?
Do you think you deserve a kick for that myopic view ? I dont ........... but do you ? .......... if you were asked to mete out self-punishment, would you kick yourself ?
3 cheers for freedom of expression.

Sugarfree

02-09-2008, 12:06 AM

If I see a dog poo and the owner pretend not to know, I will personally chase after him and make sure he clears the poo, that is me.buddy but would you kick the dog or its owner if action isn't taken by the owner to remove the poo?

merlotwine

02-09-2008, 12:13 AM

buddy but would you kick the dog or its owner if action isn't taken by the owner to remove the poo?

i guess, he will ask that owner to buy more insurance... :D

Sugarfree

02-09-2008, 12:17 AM

i guess, he will ask that owner to buy more insurance... :Dhttp://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/silly/eyebrows.gif

kwchang

02-09-2008, 12:42 AM

I get off-line for a few hours (today IS a public holiday, isn't it?) and mayhem on a simple issue about uncivilised behavior ! :eek:

Some people are getting bananas and I have the itch to institute one or more ban(s) as well if necessary. You people have now given me too much work and it is past midnight. I have half a mind to first send the arrogant ones away to cool off and bananas for those silly enough to get baited. The tickets will be given out on my judgement ... sorry if I may be wrong .... and I will not tolerate any counter arguements. Life is too short and I am sure people already hate my explanations.

In the meantime, the thread is locked till I make my decisions.

kwchang

02-09-2008, 01:35 AM

Members who have violations -

Arrogant comments

Nothing cruel about it. The owner deserves to be kicked also. Read the bloody signboards. Don't claim ignorance as it is no excuse

I find Coogee and your overwhelming love for mankind and animal hypocritical and equally disgusting

I can make sweeping statements. It is up to people whether they accept it or not. You are in no position to call me a fool - by the way, in my opinion, coogee did not call maurice a "fool", it was only a statement that maurice was making a fool of himself - this is an entirely different matter...maurice probably failed to see the subtle differences?

It is you, Coogee and Cutebanana who are hell-bent to call me all sorts of names...I am not going to reply to you two. That constitutes arguing ... maurice was already arguing and started to get more abusive

.... I will kick the ****** if I can get hold of "her" there and then!

You don't have to like me and you can call me a sicko too, but if ever your dog poo in front of me when I am jogging there, go buy more insurance..Not just for the dog, for yourself too....The last part is threatening

Insensitive remarks

I love it when a person equates his dog to his baby. Well done. I know of people who equate their hamsters and golfish to their babies also- totally insensitive to the fact that people do threat pets as members of the family

Directly Getting personal (name-calling included)

Was that before or after you lied about (and not the dog) .......Stop squealing and whining PLEEEEASE....... just what are you made of maurice lim ?

You sound very frustrated and constipated

You are one hell of a sicko

Starting an arguement

I feel like kicking you right now

Perpetuating the arguement

Wah this person damn stubborn lah.....

Do you think you deserve a kick for that myopic view ?

Therefore,

maurice lim is banned due to repeated arrogance and basically disturbing the peace. He had managed to evade me many times but finally shot himself this time

HAN2 is banned for a short while - for arrogance as well (but much less than maurice lim). The item that tipped the scale was an open threat to another member. Sorry, could not ignore that one

bananas go to
jayant - for arguements and getting personal

creativ - for getting personal (I couldn't ignore that one)

I have decided to leave out cutebanana and coogee because I believe they were uttering in frustration, instigated by maurice lim.

Footnote
I know some of you hate this lecture but I got to make it ...
Please note that I have nothing personal against all those picked up for bananas or even banned. I bear no malice on any of you as you are all part of the community. Unfortunately, for the sake of peace and tranquility, we have to get some law-enforcement done by the book. Maurice certainly would disagree with me here but as I had said earlier, it is my opinion but I do hear a lot of complaints everyday ... especially more this thread. Jayant got off this time but I got wind of more complaints against him that I had missed ... so do not be surprised if a ban comes around later. ;) ... just friendly advanced warning to a friend of mine who did expect me to ban him as well! Can't do it here because I didn't get enough reason to.

Firefly

02-09-2008, 11:21 AM

Err buddies...real soon...Orchi shall want to see the same town council act be applied n enforced along the roadsides in front of houses on all residential roads...where owners should NOT allow their pets to reach whilst under a leash...or otherwise.

Unlicensed strays are to be rounded up n captured on sight...
.....
Bro Orchi...can you ask the council to round up all pets that are moving about in the public areas that are unleashed..My neighbor's 20 or so cats!!! as well..none of them are on leash and they poop everywhere.

jmbeh

02-09-2008, 01:46 PM

If we have pets, we should be responsible pet owners. Like what some of you mentioned, you can do whatever you like (also morally right) with your pet at home/in 100% private places. BUT when in public, please respect each other. Ignorant pet owners deserve to be kicked HARD, NOT the pet.

I am shocked somebody actually went up and kicked the pet...what for? why victimised an animal? Based on the scenario as described, the dog is a small size dog, and the kick was full strengthed. Why do that to an animal?

We can always talk, educate, warn the owner, but not kick an animal. All religion teaches us to be kind to animals. The person who kicked an innocent animal will be punished, hopefully.

To all pet owners, please be responsible for their pets' "leftovers" and manners in public. Please clean up or else, one day you might get punched by an insane person...If you can't be responsible, don't own a pet please.

kwchang

02-09-2008, 02:15 PM

firefox

02-09-2008, 02:31 PM

Our country is in turmoil and here we are discussing dogs and its poo ...its a strange world we live in!

coogee

02-09-2008, 03:02 PM

Our country is in turmoil and here we are discussing dogs and its poo ...its a strange world we live in!

Hi. Yes this is indeed an interesting comparison but sometimes in life we also need to go back to basics of things to get our soul back. All of us are born same but nurtured in different ways of upbringing and life's experiences. When I was younger, all hurried and craving for material success, I did not really look at animals being one of 'us' even though our family had dogs and cat as pets. But after many years coursing thru different stages of life, I supposed you can say one learn to rediscover the things of old and understand there is much joy that can be had from nature. For me, it's my dog and it's only of late I can understand why they call it a man's best friend. I can undertand there are people who are adverse to animals, but if you do have the time or the inclination, spend some time with them, look them in the eyes and you ll understand, they are just like you and me, trying to have a peaceful existence. If we do not want to be hurt by others, the least we can do is to have some compassion for others as well. Why is it so difficult for some?

jmbeh

02-09-2008, 03:07 PM

firefox...yes our country is indeed in some kind of turmoil...

but here..we are not talking about dog & dog poo.

It is about tolerance, kindness, education and civic mindedness of our people. These form the foundation of human civilisation.

So please dun under estimate such topics because it does not concern a Tan Sri or petrol price.

It goes a long way if human can stop victimising animals and ppl can be more responsible with their attitude and actions.

coogee

02-09-2008, 03:11 PM

I am proud to say that almost all my neighbours walk their dogs with a poop-scoop on hand. We are lucky to have deep open drains and the occassional tropical downpour.

I still remember walking from Victoria train station in London to the bus station just 500M from the station on Sundays - the pavement was constantly littered with dog-poo and perhaps more so during the weekends. That is England, my friends, not a 3rd-world country. I find my neighbours more civilised in my own neighbourhood and I am proud of it :)

I was in Paris few weeks back and I have to say it's probably the dog poo capital of the world....I thought my cousin in London was joking when she told me to watch out as I walk the streets of Paris but oh there is quite a bit and it's everywhere. For some reason the french seems so liberal and accomodating, dogs are allowed in eating places, shopping areas and onboard public transport. Quite an eye opener for us as we are not allowed to do the same in Sydney. Here some local councils imposed a stiff fine of A$275 if caught not picking up the poo....perhaps same can be considered in MBSJ. Good and fair for everyone.

besitai2007

02-09-2008, 04:47 PM

Err Fellas..have you seen the number of stray cats around USJ 6? The stray cats menace is so bad that they come inside my house at night to steal food. Quite a few of them have injuries on their heads and bodies due to fights. I know of a family who abandoned their cats when they moved out of USJ 6. With the increasing population of strays, where do you think these cats do their daily business? I am a dog lover myself and have always kept my dog on a leash when I take him for a walk. I would like to see that fella kick my dog.

kwchang

02-09-2008, 05:19 PM

...stray cats...Cats somehow never went under control by the authorities. Only dogs need to be leashed and registered. Therefore, we cannot argue about cats in the same breath as dogs.

By the way, all issues with dogs fall under the town councils as they earn revenue from dog-licensing. so complaints on cats should also be put to the town councils

orchipalar

02-09-2008, 06:54 PM

I am a dog lover myself and have always kept my dog on a leash when I take him for a walk.Err buddy...that's quite considerate of you to do so...

Do you let your dog piss on wheels of your neighbours' cars...tree trunks...front gate...road/drain curbs...lamp posts etc etc...?

Do you let out your dog while on leash to deposit poops by the flowerbeds...n roadsides of other neighbour's houses...?

How do you deal with your dog poops...?

spongey

02-09-2008, 07:26 PM

i always take my dog for walk at park,..but i always take him to park that not so much ppl, and big park,...

besitai2007

02-09-2008, 07:52 PM

Err buddy...that's quite considerate of you to do so...

Do you let your dog piss on wheels of your neighbours' cars...tree trunks...front gate...road/drain curbs...lamp posts etc etc...?

Do you let out your dog while on leash to deposit poops by the flowerbeds...n roadsides of other neighbour's houses...?

How do you deal with your dog poops...?
My dog is already 12 years old..translated into dog years, 12 x 7 years = 84 years old. He is carried in a baby's pram .. yes a pram because he cannot walk (arthritis on one leg and a heart problem). There was an article in the Star about him a few weeks back written by my daughter. He just enjoys the walk with us but does not mark his territory on other people's car wheels (as he cannot lift his leg properly). He does his business in our garden I bury the poop in the garden...no issues with me. In his twilight years, my dog is not as active as he was. When he was younger he does mark his territory. All the while, we scoop up his poop. I do detect sarcasm in your comments. I thought we should refrain from personalities..that's why Maurice and Han2 are banned.

boo_boo

02-09-2008, 09:03 PM

My dog is already 12 years old..translated into dog years, 12 x 7 years = 84 years old. He is carried in a baby's pram ..

Besitai , you are a role model for others to follow. Your story reminds me of the heart touching "Eight Below" movie that reminded all pet lovers to treat their pets responsibly from cradle to grave and not abandon them halfway.

orchipalar

02-09-2008, 09:06 PM

I am a dog lover myself and have always kept my dog on a leash when I take him for a walk.
My dog is already 12 years old..translated into dog years, 12 x 7 years = 84 years old. He is carried in a baby's pram .. yes a pram because he cannot walk (arthritis on one leg and a heart problem). There was an article in the Star about him a few weeks back written by my daughter. He just enjoys the walk with us but does not mark his territory on other people's car wheels (as he cannot lift his leg properly). He does his business in our garden I bury the poop in the garden...no issues with me. In his twilight years, my dog is not as active as he was. When he was younger he does mark his territory. All the while, we scoop up his poop. I do detect sarcasm in your comments. I thought we should refrain from personalities..that's why Maurice and Han2 are banned.Err buddy BesiTai...thanks for your response to Orchi's questions...n please let Orchi assures you that those were simple questions...there's nothing by it...

To begin with Orchi asked because in your earlier post...you did not say that your dog has a health problem...also you didn't mention how you would deal with the dog's piss n poops...or perhaps you forgotten to mention them...

With your further explanation...Orchi for one would like to believe that you are not only a considerate pet owner who keeps your dog on a leash...you are also a responsible dog owner...

Nevertheless...you would acknowledge that it would be hard for ALL dog owners to contain the dog's natural instinct n tendency to mark its territory by pissing...

orchipalar

02-09-2008, 09:22 PM

Bro Orchi...can you ask the council to round up all pets that are moving about in the public areas that are unleashed..My neighbor's 20 or so cats!!! as well..none of them are on leash and they poop everywhere.Err buddy Firefly...Orchi too once had the same problem which was highlighted many moons ago in the forum...but Orchi has a better alternative...since.

So in your free time...do drop by Orchi's humble home...to see if you can find any more cat poops in or out of the house compound...

There isn't any now...

Sugarfree

02-09-2008, 10:51 PM

orchi, what did you do?

Firefly

03-09-2008, 09:16 AM

Yeah Bro Orchi, what did you do? I managed to keep them off my property but the vicinity is a lost cause.

besitai2007

03-09-2008, 09:34 AM

To those of you who didn't believe my previous posting. Here's my dog comfortably sitting in his pram before his walk. He has a leash on him of course. If you notice his eyes..he is blind with cataract in one eye and is partially blind in the other eye, lost one ear in a fight with a bigger dog..we still love him for being a lovable companion to my family.

AllUrban

03-09-2008, 09:53 AM

Yeah Bro Orchi, what did you do? I managed to keep them off my property but the vicinity is a lost cause.maybe something with Chilli powder? Cats hate chilli powder.

Cheers, m

QuietStorm

03-09-2008, 10:25 AM

maybe something with Chilli powder? Cats hate chilli powder.If so, how is it applied? I hate to see animals getting hurt. If it's just the smell of the chilli that's driving them away, then fine...if not...I don't really want to know.

besitai2007

03-09-2008, 10:30 AM

I doubt that cilis would work. My Malay neighbour usually cooks up a storm with her spicy curries ... I could smell them..so did the Malay restaurant in my e-Tiara apt. The cats are still there in both places and must be loving the spicy stuff. What we need is a concerted effort by MPSJ to clear our area of these abandoned felines. They definitely won't shoot the cats like the way they do to dogs..but how are they going to do it?

A question to ponder: Why is there a bias against dogs where people take issues with their poop, eating with their owners and authorities are quick to remove them forcefully, sometimes cruelly? When cats freely roam the streets few people care about whether they are strays, where they pooped or whether they can become a nuisance to us? Cats are animals too..so where do they do their business? Shouldn't the owners follow their cats, carrying poop bags whenever their cats go roaming? For those people who love their dogs and cats, these animals are properly groomed and cleaned. Do people bathe thier cats I wonder (I know cats groom themselves)?. Spare a moment to think over these.