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belladonna
11-08-2008, 03:49 PM
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:confused: I was told that children who are entering Year 1 Lick Hung in year 2009 to sit for assessment test on 11/9/08.
- is this true?
- if yes, why?
- so, what will happen to the "rejected" pre-year1 students?
- why do we allow our pre-year1 students to undergo such stress?
what is your say in this?

tsd
11-08-2008, 04:18 PM
what happened to the role of schools to educate ? pretty scary what is happening to our society.

birdy
11-08-2008, 04:23 PM
Is this one of the measures for them to reduce the extreme applications every year?

Have you received any written confirmation from the school that your child must sit for the assessment test or you just heard some rumours?

tsd
11-08-2008, 04:24 PM
then should choose those who failed the test, because those are the one who are more in need for good education... that is if that school is really that good.

belladonna
11-08-2008, 04:40 PM
definitely not rumours.
the kindergarten is now preparing WORKSHEETS to be given to all children. parents are "encouraged" to revise the worksheet with their children over the 1 week school holidays.
???school holidays = more work???
the objective is for the school to cut their intake to 10 classes only (assume 10x50students=500students), the rest ("rejected" ones?) to be absorbed by Chee Wen, probably?
very, very scary indeed.

rachel sj
11-08-2008, 05:52 PM
Does the school hv the right to filter students like this? I have not heard of any (chinese primary) school in Klang Valley taking such measure to cut down no. of students intake...may have an great impact on those who have only registered for Lick Hung in 2002 but now couldnt get a place because of not passing the assessment test....what happen to them?

HTCHONG
11-08-2008, 06:05 PM
For reference, in Singapore, when some primary schools have overwhelming enrolments for Primary 1, following balloting system will apply

Phase A - Priority given to those students who have brothers or sisters study in the school.
Phase B - Ballot for those students who stay within the radius of 0.5 Km or 1Km from the school.
Phase C - Ballot for those who do not meet both criteria A & B provided there are still places left.

Unfortunately, knowing Lick Hung is located in a arae with high density of Chinese population, I doubt the above mentioned system can work.

daniella
11-08-2008, 08:23 PM
I heard from a colleague whose daughter has got a place in Lick Hung and yes, unfortunately...pre-std 1 kids who are entering Lick Hung are required to sit for this `assessment` exam.

Reason being that because Lick Hung had been awarded a `Sekolah Cermerlang`status sometime mid this year,so they have to maintain some kind of standard from now on.
Hence this test is to `grade` the newbies into their `categories`and so you have the best ones in the top classes and the rest...well...you just have to catch up in your own time and group...Sigh...this sounded just like some Kebangsaan schools I know, which I feared that Lick Hung is following suit...unfortunately.
So whether your kid fares well or not, you will still be getting a place in this school ( those who have been given places ) and the kid won`t be kicked out.
It is just that if the kid does well..then he or she will be in a good class with better peers and vice versa...

Anyway, you parents always have the option to contact the school or the HM directly if so desire. You can pm me for the contacts if needed.

scorgio
11-08-2008, 08:43 PM
Nothing special.

Certain SJK(C) in Johor already took this route years ago.

teacherwong
11-08-2008, 08:46 PM
agree to daniella that Lee Hung has won the 'sekolah cemerlang', the school has the right to do so. what i heard is actually the test is to 'stream' the pupils. following years, they may do the exam before any intake, just like those private school doing.

jasonbhlee
12-08-2008, 09:16 AM
agree to daniella that Lee Hung has won the 'sekolah cemerlang', the school has the right to do so. what i heard is actually the test is to 'stream' the pupils. following years, they may do the exam before any intake, just like those private school doing.


If you tell the school you want to contribute RM10,000....your child will be put in very good stream. What test??

charis14
12-08-2008, 09:33 AM
If you tell the school you want to contribute RM10,000....your child will be put in very good stream. What test??Not sure about this statement. Will be unfair to the management if untrue.

Whichever method the school uses will not meet the aspirations of all. Their existing method of non-streaming pulls the good student down to the level of the ones who do not know Mandarin. We have seen the standard of govt schools going down the drain using ths method.

Streaming allows the school to excel and it will be good to allow the school to do so - as long as they do not neglect the students who lag behind.

rachel sj
12-08-2008, 09:35 AM
Any idea what is the method of assessment ? will students be tested academically or others ?

msiablueskies
12-08-2008, 10:39 AM
correction correction...!!
1. This year test on 11/sept is to choose whom will be placed in the elite
class.
2. Next year test i heard is for filtering and to choose those qualify.
3. Big issue now we heard one of their teacher ( Ms L ) whom have her own
tuation class in SS 15 have already handling out leaflet, saying her centre
can offer similar type of questions for the assessment at RM 350.00 for
18 classes. How on earth is so ethical for " the Sekolah Cemerlang " to
have this kind of teacher around....and dont tell me the school head does
not know.
4. Last year Ms L managed to get hold the database of students whom going
to attending the 2008 Standard one and started sending the leaflet to
parents to promote her tuition centre for the pre school tuition during
2007 long holiday...many parents just protested in silence
5. And in 2011 ( it seems ) the scholls will only conduct morning session for
all, and they are also going to arrange kindergarden class for the pre
school.

We are concern because our children will attending the school next year.
We need reformation in this case..!!

QuietStorm
12-08-2008, 01:33 PM
then should choose those who failed the test, because those are the one who are more in need for good education... that is if that school is really that good.So, it's a case of choose the clever kids and dump the less clever ones? :p That's pretty smart, I'd say, for then the school will always be producing top students! :D

fRaNkY
12-08-2008, 01:42 PM
The Miss "L" was caught by the HM and action was taken on her, recently.

Call my daughter's teacher last nite.

Basically, the test to segregate the best and the slow student. As the standard are very wide in everyclass. Thus the smarter one have to wait to the slower ones. Also, some parents do not really care or help their kids..... :(

rachel sj
12-08-2008, 01:58 PM
It's actually quite sad to see how schools departing from its original social obligation as insitutions to educate the youngs...surely, all this practice in segregating the smart and the not-so-smart students into different classes isnt a mean to educate an all-rounder personality of our future leaders...though, it may help the schools in achieving its objectives in becoming the so-called top schools/sekolah cemerlang etc

What I am trying to say is, educating a child is not just all about teaching them to do well in exams...but also, ability to mix around with & respect friends coming from various backgrounds - races/religions/rich or poor/parents with higher education or not etc.

I have seen so many examples of straight As students in my industry who couldnt mix around well and struggling to work with their work colleagues...coz lack of basic human PR skill...

are these what our schools aim to produce ?

HTCHONG
12-08-2008, 03:28 PM
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3. Big issue now we heard one of their teacher ( Ms L ) whom have her own
tuation class in SS 15 have already handling out leaflet, saying her centre
can offer similar type of questions for the assessment at RM 350.00 for
18 classes. How on earth is so ethical for " the Sekolah Cemerlang " to
have this kind of teacher around....and dont tell me the school head does
not know.
4. Last year Ms L managed to get hold the database of students whom going
to attending the 2008 Standard one and started sending the leaflet to
parents to promote her tuition centre for the pre school tuition during
2007 long holiday...many parents just protested in silence
5. And in 2011 ( it seems ) the scholls will only conduct morning session for
all, and they are also going to arrange kindergarden class for the pre
school.

We are concern because our children will attending the school next year.
We need reformation in this case..!!

Amazing to see how this Miss L capitalized the situation. Frankly, I am not too sure, is this resulted from the current system which may has gone wrong.

Personally, I believe, one has to be paid well so that one can concentrate in his duty. When I was young, I knew there were quite a number of teachers in my school giving tuition classes after school and this is pretty common practice even till today. Obviouly, this diverted the teachers' effort & dedication in their routine duties and evetually affecting the quality of teaching.

My wife is a senior teacher in a SGP secondary school commanding a salary of about S$7K per month. I can see her dedicating her time to her works and others extra curriculum that assigned. Frankly, it is not easy for her who works till late night and need to wake up early next morning.

msiablueskies
12-08-2008, 10:20 PM
So they treat normal teaching hours as part time & real tuition hours as their full time... :D
And every month salary from normal teaching ( part time ) salary is for putting into FD lor....how can we expect a real committed input from a part time teacher... :mad:

birdy
13-08-2008, 05:40 AM
Wonder what kind of assessment are they going to carry out to filter the students? If some kids did not attend a proper kindergarten, then they may have difficulties unless the assessment ask to write A,B,C and 1,2,3. :p

The schools suppose to educate the children, now seem like they wanted to teach only good students. So, there would be bigger education gap in the future... where the good will be better and the poor will be poorer. :o

fRaNkY
13-08-2008, 08:47 AM
My wife is a senior teacher in a SGP secondary school commanding a salary of about S$7K per month. I can see her dedicating her time to her works and others extra curriculum that assigned. Frankly, it is not easy for her who works till late night and need to wake up early next morning.

Here a teacher with STPM/Diploma gets RM2k++ even thought they had been teaching more than 15 years!. :eek: How can they survive with kids and living in kl valley.?

fRaNkY
13-08-2008, 09:13 AM
The schools suppose to educate the children, now seem like they wanted to teach only good students. So, there would be bigger education gap in the future... where the good will be better and the poor will be poorer. :o

What to do? They achieve one of the special school status ( was it Cemerlang, pintar or smartschool :confused: ) ... from 15 classes shrink to 10.... also heard it will be a morning session only school. .

belladonna
13-08-2008, 10:51 AM
do you know that some pre-school K2 students are already studying primary 1 books?

there are two sides to a coin.
we are all alike - KIASU.......all including teachers, parents, students

- when children can't cope the way parents & teachers expect them to - we doubt our children? we label them as slow/not bright/not smart/not good/need help/can't concentrate/useless/dumb/can't focus/can't concentrate/etc

- when parents do not teach our children the way the teachers expect them to - the teachers label us as parents who do not care, do not pay attention, do not guide, do not revise, etc, etc with their children

- when teachers do no teach our children the way the parents expect them to - the society label them as teachers who etc, etc.....

- so how-la.....

mengo
13-08-2008, 01:17 PM
Ministry of education should clam down on an entrance exam for Year 1. They are answerable to the MOE as well! They basically want to take the best and throw the rest to Chee Wen etc. This is not right! Alreadywe have shortage of spaces for Chinese School and Lick Hung wants to be selfish this way! This is not right. They must be told so!!!

besitai2007
13-08-2008, 01:31 PM
A lot of schools do this "selective" intake to protect the reputation of the school (in fact the HM). In Wilayah, there are "controlled" schools where the Education Department does the filtering process. Priorities are usually given to those staying near a particular school but that has led to cheating and underhanded tactics..like getting a YB to endorse a particular candidate. The fault is squarely on the parents who are so kiasu that they want their child(ren) to get a headstart. The fault is also in our education system which promote an elitist exam oriented society. The late developers and academically challenged children have no chance at all.

USJ27Resident
13-08-2008, 01:48 PM
If you tell the school you want to contribute RM10,000....your child will be put in very good stream. What test??

jason - you took the words right out of my mouth... money talks!!

i also hear that most of LickHung "top?" students end up in SMK USJ12, hence the teachers there oso now getting to be very selective on their intake there...

Now I also know why some the parents that drop off their kids at the secondary school are sooooo... inconsiderate. They would practically park their big cars on the second-lane, open door and drop their 'inconsiderate' kids off... almost knocked into one today... when the kid opened the door on the traffic side [right-side] without even looking :mad: .... scenes from LickHung imported to USJ12 !!

fRaNkY
13-08-2008, 03:07 PM
do you know that some pre-school K2 students are already studying primary 1 books?


Yes I know... My 5 yo son already doing 80+12 maths! Double digits! So I encourage him to do more every night. Also learning Bahasa and chinese! :eek: :D

fRaNkY
13-08-2008, 03:12 PM
Ministry of education should clam down on an entrance exam for Year 1. They are answerable to the MOE as well! They basically want to take the best and throw the rest to Chee Wen etc. This is not right! Alreadywe have shortage of spaces for Chinese School and Lick Hung wants to be selfish this way! This is not right. They must be told so!!!

I support you. Go ahead. Please TELL them so... :D

tsd
13-08-2008, 03:16 PM
one way to fight this chinese medium schools is to bring back the english medium schools... back then when I was schooling, chinese school were always second choice compared to the British schools.

birdy
13-08-2008, 03:39 PM
Looks like it's time for our Ms. Hannah Yeoh to fight for us another Chinese Primary school. :o

fRaNkY
13-08-2008, 05:58 PM
one way to fight this chinese medium schools is to bring back the english medium schools... back then when I was schooling, chinese school were always second choice compared to the British schools.

This is because the standard of chinese school is now higher better than govt school.

Chinese School MUST always be there.

Its the choice of parents either to send their kids to Chinese, english or malay school.

What I dont understand is why both parents who dont know a word of chinese (read write) send their kids to chinese school and also non chinese parents send their kids to chinese school? and then blame the chinese school teachers... They expect the teachers to turn their kids to super scholar? ... Yet they dont support the management of chinese school ... with their kiasu attitude... and hamtam2 them all the time :mad: and do not enough to help their kids.

You have a choice... dont like their management style ... go other school.

You have money... go to private school! :D

fRaNkY
13-08-2008, 06:00 PM
Looks like it's time for our Ms. Hannah Yeoh to fight for us another Chinese Primary school. :o

Heard there are lots of place in Chee Wen nowadays... since they expanded recently ;)

terisunny
13-08-2008, 06:53 PM
My son is one of the 'lucky' ones taking the test on 9-11!! Sigh....whatever course they take, I just hope that they won't only teach the best....and ignore the rest.....keeping my fingers crossed!!!!!

There's also a 1/2 hour talk for parents and kids before the tests!! Wl update more after the event

shthang
13-08-2008, 07:05 PM
Sad to see so many KIASU parents around. Feel so sorry for the kids............

tupai
14-08-2008, 09:26 AM
Sad to see so many KIASU parents around. Feel so sorry for the kids............

dont be...to each his/her own happy level, expectations and position in life...
:)

I know that kiddo who got the FIRST prize in school :D

FIRST for having the most number of absent days :D :D :D that kiddo went snokelling in manukan, sleeping under hotel million stars in ulu yam, went driving in autobahns, visiting castles in bavaria, feeding ellies in K.Gandar, watching whales in Oz, getting lost in borneo, eyeballing terracota warriors in xian, sipping coke in LOS pole dancing bars.... :eek: :D :D :D

Yang Bermimpi latotupai

jessie koh
14-08-2008, 12:23 PM
My son is one of the 'lucky' ones taking the test on 9-11!! Sigh....whatever course they take, I just hope that they won't only teach the best....and ignore the rest.....keeping my fingers crossed!!!!!

There's also a 1/2 hour talk for parents and kids before the tests!! Wl update more after the event


Don't you worried for your son..........very pressure if he enter to the elite class and be neglected in the school if he don't

terisunny
15-08-2008, 02:07 PM
Not really lar.....I shall give Lick Hung a chance...they hv a reputation to live up to...I shall wait & see what kind of approach they take from next year onwards.....anyway, my boy is a happy-go-lucky fellow.....he should do fine. :D

AllUrban
15-08-2008, 02:14 PM
It's actually quite sad to see how schools departing from its original social obligation as insitutions to educate the youngs...surely, all this practice in segregating the smart and the not-so-smart students into different classes isnt a mean to educate an all-rounder personality of our future leaders...though, it may help the schools in achieving its objectives in becoming the so-called top schools/sekolah cemerlang etc

What I am trying to say is, educating a child is not just all about teaching them to do well in exams...but also, ability to mix around with & respect friends coming from various backgrounds - races/religions/rich or poor/parents with higher education or not etc.

I have seen so many examples of straight As students in my industry who couldnt mix around well and struggling to work with their work colleagues...coz lack of basic human PR skill...

are these what our schools aim to produce ?back in 1993 in Canada the highschool started de-streaming the system, to put all students of all levels into the same classes. I was one of these students and I know that it was an interesting challenge to work with classmates of different levels.

The difference was that in Canada, we worked together and supported each other and learned from each other. So, although I might have great math skills, I could learn a lot about creative thoughts from my classmate who did poorly in math but had a great imagination...my classmate helped me imagine math, which actually brought both of our marks up.

Today the curriculum in Ontario is quite challenging for all levels - Academic or Applied courses are available in the first 2 years of secondary school (form 3 & 4 equiv). In the following 2 years (form 5 & 6 equivalent) there are 3 streams - University, University/College and Workplace. All streams have equally challenging curriculum with a different focus.

The function of schools should be to produce useful, productive members of society who can take up their respective economic, social and political roles...but what we have in our school system is a way of stratifying society, making sure that there are always those above and those below.

Cheers, m

tupai
15-08-2008, 02:27 PM
I used to be a volunteer teacher during semester break. The school is located in Brixton, a predominantly black area...my observation was that while they mixed all level of students in the class, the attitude of the students themselves will segregate themselves out.

The more curious, more attentive hence brighter kids will almost always sit in front rows. They will ask questions ranging from my batik shirt, leather jacket to tropical 30deg waters to wayang kulit and festival of hungry ghosts...

The 'tidak apas' , mostly from broken homes, will sit at the back rows and do their own things, including playing card games...and the form teacher (my shadow) will not give a hoot to the back row activities.

So, maybe segregation of smarties from the tidak-apas can push the whole class into making something better...no?

The starting of racialist sekolah cemerlang or residential schools meant only for 1 race is part of the gomen society re-engineering. They can only create an elite class of smarties for a handful...the majority will remain low achievers by world standards....(do u know that at 1 time, the passing mark of hotel & catering course in that shahalam U was only 20%? Now how difficult can a hotel & catering course be???hahahahahaha!)

Yang Boleh belajar lagi latotupai

kwchang
15-08-2008, 02:32 PM
Don't you worried for your son..........very pressure if he enter to the elite class and be neglected in the school if he don't
Being neglected is due to the fact that the classes have 50 kids each or more. That is probably why they want to cut down on the enrilment - they got to start somewhere.

As for LH being known as a cram-school with the usual parental fears for high-stress, I would like to dispute that. I sent both my kids there and they have survived despite both of us parents being "bananas" - we were not from Chinese medium schools. Surprisingly, I found that they could cope. The LH formula is actually the extra afternoon classes which gets increased from 2 days in Std4 to all days plus Saturday in Std6. The consistency of work prepared all the students to do well in the final exams ... even the poor students (like mine). My youngest is now in Form1 so I do not think LH have changed much since. The big difference is that the headmistress had since retired and the present headmaster is more sports-oriented. If the teachers continue the old LH tradition, the students should be OK academically.

belladonna
16-08-2008, 10:52 AM
i truly applaud those "banana" parents who send their children to sjkc
i also intend to live up to that CHALLENGE as my mine is starting sjkc come jan-2009.
appreciate your feedback to my question - is it necessary to send the child for additional chinese tuition in addition to
- chinese work at school
- additional revision/worksheet at daycare centre?

charis14
16-08-2008, 04:31 PM
We are also one of those 'banana' parents. I was indeed surprised to hear quite a number of parents conversing in English with their children.

fRaNkY
16-08-2008, 09:05 PM
Being neglected is due to the fact that the classes have 50 kids each or more. That is probably why they want to cut down on the enrilment - they got to start somewhere.

As for LH being known as a cram-school with the usual parental fears for high-stress, I would like to dispute that. I sent both my kids there and they have survived despite both of us parents being "bananas" - we were not from Chinese medium schools. Surprisingly, I found that they could cope. The LH formula is actually the extra afternoon classes which gets increased from 2 days in Std4 to all days plus Saturday in Std6. The consistency of work prepared all the students to do well in the final exams ... even the poor students (like mine). My youngest is now in Form1 so I do not think LH have changed much since. The big difference is that the headmistress had since retired and the present headmaster is more sports-oriented. If the teachers continue the old LH tradition, the students should be OK academically.

Well said. At least I should not be worried about the stress my kids and me are about to receive.

chanelt
26-11-2009, 10:47 PM
KWChang, I know your children are studying are LH. May I know which USJ/SS do you stay? Do you know more about LH enrolment?

Thanks,
Chanel

fRaNkY
27-11-2009, 09:41 PM
Think Chang stays between 1 and usj14.... :D (I stay at usj14)