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kwchang
07-07-2008, 01:41 AM
I have decided to stop political discussions on the Forum, in line with what Rocky and other bloggers have said about stopping all these nonsense that is currently leading the country to stagnation as the politicians are not working but jostling for positions.

My feel is that our Forum members active in the political discussions scene ought to get back to work as well, rather than use this as their blogspace, chatting on matters which they may not be experts on themselves. I strongly feel that we are allowing the Forum to slowly become a political rant sheet, sidelining other community issues.

JeffOoi (http://www.jeffooi.com/2008/07/vmy_2008.php) had said it on July 4th 2008

Go check out Rocky's Bru (http://rockybru.blogspot.com/2008/07/malaysian-bloggers-on-strike.html#links) and read about "Malaysian Bloggers on Strike" posted on Sat July 5th 2008

MArina Mahatir's RantingsbyMM (http://rantingsbymm.blogspot.com/2008/07/i-think-ill-just-go-on-strike.html) On Thurs July 3rd 2008 says it all and I agree with her TOTALLY about all the nonsense going on.

I am hoping that usj dot com Forum gets back to its own community issues - away from mainstream politics.

If I catch anyone posting political stuff like the PrivateInvestigator, Anwar, Najib, PakLah and the likes, I will send them away because we do not want any such stuff on the non-political sections ... and I have closed the political section for now.

You guys either get back to work or go elsewhere for your political and rumour fix. Not here.

sinleong
07-07-2008, 03:04 AM
the difference between marina mahathir, rocky bru's and jeff ooi's blogs and usj.com.my is - the 3 are own personal blogs and usj.com.my is a community blog. in the personal blogs, they can decide what topic to raise and leave it to members to comment on the topics. if they want to stop talking about politics, they can and have every right to. it's their own blog. usj.com.my does not belong to an individual. so i wonder if it is the right thing to do for the moderator to decide unilaterally what forumers can blog in a community blog.

we have a separate arus politik section. so it is up to the forumers if they want to expose themselves to political discussions. if i want to expose myself to makan info, i go to the relevant page.

bobkee
07-07-2008, 04:20 AM
I must admit to feeling extremely drained by all that's happened lately. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of going on "strike". All things being equal and with a less biased mass media in existence, then maybe. Otherwise, to take a neutral stand IMHO is to be in de-facto support of the status quo.

No choice lah .. personally, I have to go ahead and bite the bullet. Maybe a trip to Rebak Bay after most of the dust has settled would be a good break. Right now, the dust is still being stirred. So no rest for me yet .. sigh.

CS Chua
07-07-2008, 09:55 AM
the difference between marina mahathir, rocky bru's and jeff ooi's blogs and usj.com.my is - the 3 are own personal blogs and usj.com.my is a community blog. in the personal blogs, they can decide what topic to raise and leave it to members to comment on the topics. if they want to stop talking about politics, they can and have every right to. it's their own blog. usj.com.my does not belong to an individual. so i wonder if it is the right thing to do for the moderator to decide unilaterally what forumers can blog in a community blog.

we have a separate arus politik section. so it is up to the forumers if they want to expose themselves to political discussions. if i want to expose myself to makan info, i go to the relevant page.
Even if it is a community blog, there must be an administrator or moderator. This blog does not run by itself. Someone has to care for it by spending much time and effort to keep it going. In my book, the administrator has the right to decide what is best for the forum. Otherwise, there will be anarchy (everybody doing what they think is right.)

The only true community blog is the world wide web. The rest are blogs run by individuals or teams, some for their dedicated purpose and some for the community. Just because it is for the community, it does not mean it is community-owned. We do not pay kwchang and the others to keep usj.com running and neither did most of us pay for the running cost too.

If we want it to be community-owned, than perhaps usj.com should collect membership fees from all participants and use it to pay the moderators and the upkeep of this blog. In this scenario, we can question the moderator's right to decide unilaterally without consulting the larger body (unless it is specified in the policies that they have such executive powers as moderators.)

Until and unless that happens, let us be thankful that there are concerned individuals who are doing a community service to us all. But let us not get confused between community service and rights.

Rocky19
07-07-2008, 11:59 AM
I have decided to stop political discussions on the Forum, in line with what Rocky and other bloggers have said about stopping all these nonsense that is currently leading the country to stagnation as the politicians are not working but jostling for positions.

My feel is that our Forum members active in the political discussions scene ought to get back to work as well, rather than use this as their blogspace, chatting on matters which they may not be experts on themselves. I strongly feel that we are allowing the Forum to slowly become a political rant sheet, sidelining other community issues.
chang,

I don't agree with you. One you assuming that we don't work. and even if one doesn't want to work, it is an individual choice.why should someone play the boss from the forum and overseeing all usj.com.my forumers to ensure they are working cos he feels so.Your feeling is always right? Maybe shut down the whole forum lo, since some maybe some are spending too much time on the other threads as well.

two what is going on around us important.rockybru may see it differently. He thinks too much politics...but hey the cases out there will have an impact on our lives. we need to know that one cannot get away with murder and the police are impartial to all malaysians or foreigners in this country when comes to protection under the laws of this land. we have seen this in 1998 and we survived, what makes them think that this is too much....there is no riots like 1998. well we have viable opposition. Stagnation...well better than where the current leaders are bring us, no where while enriching themselves and where those connected are having a ball of time and can get away with anything.

anyway looks the community forum has more rules and trying to tell us what we can and cannot do to the extend that is enroaching to even something normal like politics.and who is expert on politics? what basis do you pass judgement that one is not an expert or not? You are an expert? and who is sidelining discussion on other threads.Is there proof of sidelining? anyone saying don't talk about food or money. has all discussions in the other threads stopped?

There are many issues this country is facing right now. and it takes political will to solve them which seems is lost. and that is what we are seeing, that right now the main issue is running the country and people are concern thus many are talking about it.People are genuinely concern.That is reality and the leadership is failing.if one doesn't want to see that, well go ahead but do not tell others you are not an expert or you should go back to work. Do not pass the very judgment that you are claiming those in politics discussions are doing.

end of the day, you are the moderator of the forum. you can close threads. maybe you will soon tell us when to go to the toilet and what we should talk and eat healthy food la bla bla. worse than being in school... please stick to being a moderator on the forum. do not tell us what to do in our day to day life outside the forum.

Please feel free to ban me if you think I've crossed the line you have set.

http://kadirjasin.blogspot.com/ On strike? and who is happy?

pepsi
07-07-2008, 12:21 PM
KWChang, for your info.
On the part regarding the bloggers on strike, not all bloggers are on strike.

pepsi
07-07-2008, 02:26 PM
http://zorro-zorro-unmasked.blogspot.com/
http://elizabethwong.wordpress.com/

firefox
07-07-2008, 03:15 PM
Ya, it does not make any difference, afterall we know the government and the opposition are taking the rakyat for a merry go around, for their own greed and agenda..Theres no more intergity in this country why need to read others views and opinions for self gratification only.

bobkee
07-07-2008, 03:35 PM
Ya, it does not make any difference, afterall we know the government and the opposition are taking the rakyat for a merry go around, for their own greed and agenda..Theres no more intergity in this country why need to read others views and opinions for self gratification only... which would be entirely your own personal opinion since it can neither be proved nor disproved that one side or the other have no basis in their allegations and counter allegations. Hence the need for space where both sides of the story can be presented for folks to make an informed opinion. It does affect our day to day lives, whether its within the context of us as a local community or as citizens of the nation.

As Sin Leong mentioned, discussions on this matter have generally been confined to a separate forum and as we can see, the discipline has generally held. One can choose to expose oneself to the discussion or ignore it totally. If a person chooses not to be burdened by what one considers as self gratifying views and opinions, it is entirely within the person's capacity to opt out of viewing those opinions which one considers offensive. To impose one's bias on another by means of an executive decision is where it becomes problematic.

For example, I choose not to read Utusan Malaysia because I find its content offensive. As a result I don't buy it nor do I browse through it even when it is available for free at my neighbourhood nasi kandar restaurant where I usually have my breakfast. That's well within my right. But if I were to advocate for the banning of Utusan Malaysia just because I find its contents offensive, then the problem lies with me, not with Utusan. It just shows that I cannot deal with contrary opinion with maturity.

pepsi
07-07-2008, 04:03 PM
Ya, it does not make any difference, afterall we know the government and the opposition are taking the rakyat for a merry go around, for their own greed and agenda..Theres no more intergity in this country why need to read others views and opinions for self gratification only.
There is still a glimmer of "hope" and "faith" that is why ?
When we all "give up" and "throw in the towel" , who will voice out the rakyats' grievances to the government or the opposition.
Who will bring every Malaysian closer together and share the same dream.
Who will report the crime and the injustice so that we are better informed and better prepared ?
It's like, let's not have an inter faith discussion bacause it's a sensitive matter.
Last of all, we need someone to tell us the TRUTH, it is not OK, we are going for a rough ride, brace yourself .
Ignorance is BLISS, I agree.
We won't know until it hits us or our childen on the head, issit ?

CS Chua
07-07-2008, 04:19 PM
One thing is for sure, there are still those with lots of energy and stamina. Perhaps the moderator should re-open that Forum and let them expend their energy there. :)

Blue Jasmine
07-07-2008, 04:48 PM
One thing is for sure, there are still those with lots of energy and stamina. Perhaps the moderator should re-open that Forum and let them expend their energy there. :)

This forum provide information and discuss each other opinions. With it we can justify, debate and think about the realiabity of each news. Whether politics or not i think this forum is very beneficial for the whole community. Any information shared is very much appreciated. By closing down or disallowing certain subject to be discuss we will only be short of information. Doenst matter if is the truth or not. What we read in the newspaper also has been modified. It will really be a waste if we can't be updated on the latest information. Anyway maybe this is the best way to stop all the funny things that happened now.

pcyeoh
07-07-2008, 05:03 PM
Hey Chang, don't lah like that. People like me who don't have to work (for the time being) where am I to go to talk-cock-sing-song? Both Rockybru and Marina didn't close down their blogs completely. They only say 48 hours. I would love to see them shutting down their blogs totally if they can. They can't and so do we lah. Your job though a thankless and senless one but you must agree that it is fun is to to keep it alive and going without the Special Branch closing it down. Closing Arus Politik down is like loosing our marbles unless you replace it with Sexually Yours then I will ... ( Admin note - I ought to give PC a banana or ban him for 2 months for making the statement that i deleted ... )

Cheers

cutebanana
07-07-2008, 05:20 PM
Hey Chang, don't lah like that. People like me who don't have to work (for the time being) where am I to go to talk-cock-sing-song? Both Rockybru and Marina didn't close down their blogs completely. They only say 48 hours. I would love to see them shutting down their blogs totally if they can. They can't and so do we lah. Your job though a thankless and senless one but you must agree that it is fun is to to keep it alive and going without the Special Branch closing it down. Closing Arus Politik down is like loosing our marbles unless you replace it with Sexually Yours then I will ... ( Admin note - I ought to give PC a banana or ban him for 2 months for making the statement that i deleted ... )

Cheers

Just give only. More than 2 months also can :)

pepsi
07-07-2008, 05:21 PM
Wow, that was fast like lightning ( singing to the tune of Kungfu fighting :D ) KwChang, came ...edited and left.
My man, you're one really efficient, dude. :cool:

maurice lim
07-07-2008, 07:06 PM
If KWChang as moderator wanted to close the thread and has indeed done so, he was entitled to it.

However my contention is the arrogance shown by him by talking down to forumers. There is no justification for this remark:


You guys either get back to work or go elsewhere for your political and rumour fix. Not here.

It just indicates that KWChang is arrogant and ill-mannered.

Feynman
07-07-2008, 07:49 PM
By banning all politics discussion, have we fallen on someone's trap.

Bloggers on strike.... No need discuss politics, then no headache for someone. Corruption can still go on, daylight robberies can still go on,.... nobody will say anything as everybody is already fed up.... get my drift...

Mr Nice guy is more sly than most people think.

pepsi
07-07-2008, 08:02 PM
If KWChang as moderator wanted to close the thread and has indeed done so, he was entitled to it.

However my contention is the arrogance shown by him by talking down to forumers. There is no justification for this remark:

It just indicates that KWChang is arrogant and ill-mannered.
Maurice,
KWChang's heart is in the right place and that counts for something.
I have not met him personally and I do disagree with some of the reasons for the bans and bananas, however , I am very sure his heart is in the right place.
He just come across as a bit conservative, straight forward and has a fatherly sort of persona.
So, I don't agree that his remarks were rude or ill -mannered. Sorry buddy...disagree with you on this point.

sinleong
07-07-2008, 10:27 PM
Even if it is a community blog, there must be an administrator or moderator. This blog does not run by itself. Someone has to care for it by spending much time and effort to keep it going. In my book, the administrator has the right to decide what is best for the forum. Otherwise, there will be anarchy (everybody doing what they think is right.)

The only true community blog is the world wide web. The rest are blogs run by individuals or teams, some for their dedicated purpose and some for the community. Just because it is for the community, it does not mean it is community-owned. We do not pay kwchang and the others to keep usj.com running and neither did most of us pay for the running cost too.

If we want it to be community-owned, than perhaps usj.com should collect membership fees from all participants and use it to pay the moderators and the upkeep of this blog. In this scenario, we can question the moderator's right to decide unilaterally without consulting the larger body (unless it is specified in the policies that they have such executive powers as moderators.)

Until and unless that happens, let us be thankful that there are concerned individuals who are doing a community service to us all. But let us not get confused between community service and rights.

Chua, based on your reasoning, political discussions in the usj.com.my forum can lead to anarchy and hence moderator has the right to stop such discussions? I dont get it

sinleong
07-07-2008, 10:34 PM
Ya, it does not make any difference, afterall we know the government and the opposition are taking the rakyat for a merry go around, for their own greed and agenda..Theres no more intergity in this country why need to read others views and opinions for self gratification only.

we dont force people to submit to our thinking such as boycotting the main stream media like NSt and Utusan. thus, nobody is forcing anyone to go to arus politik. and nobody bloggin in arus politik is forcing anyone to agree to their political opinions. true, we are persuasive in our opinions but we don't force. so why force people to stop blogging in arus politik. i repeat, this is not an individual owned forum.

HAN2
07-07-2008, 10:35 PM
Close the "Arus Politik" thread for all you like but

NO NEED TO TELL US TO GO BACK TO WORK!

Thats an insult!

praetor
07-07-2008, 10:38 PM
This forum provide information and discuss each other opinions. With it we can justify, debate and think about the realiabity of each news. Whether politics or not i think this forum is very beneficial for the whole community. Any information shared is very much appreciated. By closing down or disallowing certain subject to be discuss we will only be short of information. Doenst matter if is the truth or not. What we read in the newspaper also has been modified. It will really be a waste if we can't be updated on the latest information. Anyway maybe this is the best way to stop all the funny things that happened now.

Ave.

Indeed rare jasmine. Gents, can we agree to disagree for this moment? For all our political inclinations, can we at the very least together take a step back and take a deep breathe and look for ourselves as well as ask how can "WE" make things better?

At this juncture, we are doing nothing more than just bickering or positively put, expressing our opinions. Set aside all the politics that is occurring, instead i would thank God for the gifts that we have such as we are still well and truly alive as we are still posting our opinions here. Not least the fact that, we are not cowering just like post May 13, 39 years ago. Some will beg to differ however let us all embrace and respect each other's difference. Look beyond the colour of our skin or religious beliefs or even our political leanings.

For some of us who has a family, which i think everyone do have, let's take a short trip together and take greater joy in their presence. For now, let's agree to disagree, shall we not gents?

Pax vorbiscum.

maurice lim
08-07-2008, 06:35 AM
Maurice,
KWChang's heart is in the right place and that counts for something.
I have not met him personally and I do disagree with some of the reasons for the bans and bananas, however , I am very sure his heart is in the right place.
He just come across as a bit conservative, straight forward and has a fatherly sort of persona.
So, I don't agree that his remarks were rude or ill -mannered. Sorry buddy...disagree with you on this point.

Fatherly? Ha ha ha ha ha.


I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

Be a God of the Forum if he must, but the last time I checked, my God's name was not Mr KWChang.

silver_bird
08-07-2008, 07:17 AM
kwchang :
If I catch anyone posting political stuff like the PrivateInvestigator, Anwar, Najib, PakLah and the likes, I will send them away

Why treat usj.com forumers like children !!!

ginaphan
08-07-2008, 09:48 AM
Cooling off period - I think that's how we can describe this. Smart. People can get too emotional in these things and really, all the half truths and conspiracy theories are getting on some of our nerves. Emotions can ride high - too high at times.

Anyway, Chang, I hope you'll open the gates as soon as things settle down a bit. In general, there's lotsa intelligent people here so it's one of my more 'believable' sources of information.

jasonbhlee
08-07-2008, 10:38 AM
I hope Chang is not operating like the BN government, trying to surpress the opinion of the people. As long as it doesn't go overboard...well we already have the banana system inplace...so? The forum is not for threads that only the moderator would like to hear...maybe then it should be called kwchang.blogspot.com? Let the spirit od free speech prevail..a bit of 'jostling' is not a problem right? Actually all other threads in the main forum has a tinge of politics and racism in it depending on how you read it. Eg, the 'living the near mosque', security problems (we can bash the police until kingdom come), high prices of food, etc....all these should appear under 'arus politic'? No?......

pepsi
08-07-2008, 10:49 AM
Fatherly? Ha ha ha ha ha.



Be a God of the Forum if he must, but the last time I checked, my God's name was not Mr KWChang.
Eeer, Maurice when I said fatherly I meant father like eg. papa, not GOD.
You know, you shouldn't misuse GOD's name . :(
I don't think GOD would appreacite the manner in which you use his name to .......... :eek:
Buddy, peace be with you....

sinleong
08-07-2008, 11:29 AM
frankly chang can start his own blog and ban all the political discussion from it if he likes.

xaviers
08-07-2008, 11:36 AM
if only our govt is like this...shut down all the talk and get back to work

Maybe KwChang .. should be the PM. Imagine those MPs issuing stupid statements ....kena banana.

Hmmm ...good idea...those MP talk non-sense have to hang a banana round their necks for 2 months....LOL

rachel sj
08-07-2008, 11:36 AM
Anyway, Chang, I hope you'll open the gates as soon as things settle down a bit. In general, there's lotsa intelligent people here so it's one of my more 'believable' sources of information.

Agree...I am already suffering from the "not-able-to-discuss-on-politics-with-fellow-usj-forumers" syndrome...hope kwchang will open the discussion soon when he considers the cooling-off period is over....

sinleong
08-07-2008, 01:06 PM
I quote zorro from

http://zorro-zorro-unmasked.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-me-go-on-strike-nah.html

"Now this is another reason that is increasing my aversion towards the STAR. It yawned: Simply fed-up: Malaysians have had enough of political bickering. Who are the Malaysians who are fed-up? How many percent of Malaysians are fed-up? If Wong C W is fed-up, I donít remember us (maybe the MCA) appointing him to represent us Malaysians."

kwchang
08-07-2008, 01:36 PM
Cooling off period - I think that's how we can describe this. Smart. People can get too emotional in these things and really, all the half truths and conspiracy theories are getting on some of our nerves. Emotions can ride high - too high at times.

Anyway, Chang, I hope you'll open the gates as soon as things settle down a bit. In general, there's lotsa intelligent people here so it's one of my more 'believable' sources of information.
I knew I can wait long enough for a sensible comment and from Gina, it is a plus.

Yes, Gina has hit the nail on the head. We need a cooling off period as I felt the forum was building up to a point where it was starting to get emotional. All the bloggers who decided to take off temporarily obviously felt that matters had come to a point where a confrontation was being built up. This is where innocent people like our contributors to the Forum could get hurt in the fray when they allow their emotions to sway their thoughts. The numerous sworn statements plus public rally over the weekend was foreboding an escalation of political events. Hence I had decided to close the discussions for a while - <strike>jsut</strike> just to avert a crash.

It will be up again, I assure you .... but I am enjoying the peace of non-political background screams that used to permeate the forum ;) :)

Oh yes, I am tendering my apologies to those who think they were the ones implied by my statement which seemed curt or obnoxious to them. I was remembering the time when Datuk LAT had this cartoon about Malaysians taking time off work to watch the eclipse of the sun and then Mahatir coming into view to remind them to get back to work. :D

Weezy
08-07-2008, 02:03 PM
a blog is different from a forum. a blog is like an electronic diary. the owner has full control and ownership of the communications. (unless hacked by others). a forum is a platform where ownership is via admin powers (owned by moderators and forum admin). controls are via forum rules enforced by regulation of priviledges.

to clarify, one does not "blog" in a forum. :D they post!

the mods/admin are perfectly entitled to change the forum rules. forumers can choose to participate or not. none of us get paid for posting, nor for moderating.

anyhow, there are some considerations for everyone to think about. there have been cases where forums have been shut down and forumers have been prosecuted. Yes, we all like the freedom to express ourselves. even better if we have no limits. but the forum is not above the law, and posters are not entirely anonymous. its very hard to draw the line where something might border on seditious or defamatory or inflamatory discussions. discussions are good... just that many times, it is hard to differentiate facts from fiction (which cannot be substantiated by actual proof). there are so many accounts from various perpectives, which are not right or wrong... but allowing it to continue on a public forum like this.... may lead to dire circumstances where the forum may cease to exist. this forum did not start up as a political forum but as a community forum that provides the platform for exchanges of information to improve community living. if the forum ends up shut down due to the political discussions, then the benefit of the community forum will be lost! and there are many forumers on the arus politik channel that are even living in USJ. while we should welcome all and appreciate their contributions, all of us must be responsible and be mindful of our postings.

its not easy being a moderator as people blame them for everything. either way kena shot. even if they let everyone shout and riot inside the arus politik channel and when the forum shuts down.

maybe its a good thing to stand back and let it cool down. chill everyone. :D

sinleong
08-07-2008, 04:59 PM
I knew I can wait long enough for a sensible comment and from Gina, it is a plus.

Yes, Gina has hit the nail on the head. We need a cooling off period as I felt the forum was building up to a point where it was starting to get emotional. All the bloggers who decided to take off temporarily obviously felt that matters had come to a point where a confrontation was being built up. This is where innocent people like our contributors to the Forum could get hurt in the fray when they allow their emotions to sway their thoughts. The numerous sworn statements plus public rally over the weekend was foreboding an escalation of political events. Hence I had decided to close the discussions for a while - <strike>jsut</strike> just to avert a crash.

It will be up again, I assure you .... but I am enjoying the peace of non-political background screams that used to permeate the forum ;) :)

Oh yes, I am tendering my apologies to those who think they were the ones implied by my statement which seemed curt or obnoxious to them. I was remembering the time when Datuk LAT had this cartoon about Malaysians taking time off work to watch the eclipse of the sun and then Mahatir coming into view to remind them to get back to work. :D


totally disagree!
the way to cool down is to stay away from the forum, or stay away from arus politik. not closing it down or suspending it!

if an individual cannot stand politics, then stay away. if you close or suspend, people who wants to discuss politics are affected. this is inconsiderate.

kwchang
08-07-2008, 05:19 PM
:) sinleong - what we meant was the contributor to cool down. Readers don't need to cool down because they can avoid reading the posts. It is the contributors who get hot and create a situation whereby we attract unnecessary attention from the powers that be and risk the forum being closed or punished in the process.

You are right to say "stay away". For the contributors, the only way for them to stay away is to close the Arus Politik, exactly what I did.

I also have to thank Weezy for putting things in the right perspective.

HAN2
08-07-2008, 05:56 PM
You're just treating the forumers here like kids who cannot decide what is good or bad for themselves. If the forumers don't like politics or if they have too much of it, just go to Cari Makan or whatever or talk about the community things - they need not go to Arus Politik and you need not shut it down!

And to add insult to injury, you are also asking people to "get back to work" as though people are an irresponsible lot shirking their work and logged on to your Arus Politik the whole day neglecting work.

I know this webforum belongs to Jeff Ooi but just because he mentioned "Malaysians are fed-up" in his website, you also take that as a signal to shut down? C'mon lah.... I know we are guests in this forum but this is not the way to do it lah... treating us all like kids!

maurice lim
08-07-2008, 07:29 PM
I was remembering the time when Datuk LAT had this cartoon about Malaysians taking time off work to watch the eclipse of the sun and then Mahatir coming into view to remind them to get back to work. :D

My God. This man is now equating himself to Dr Mahathir. Hey. Don't be delusional and get down from your pedestal. You are no where near him. Gee. Look at yourself in the mirror, man.

maurice lim
08-07-2008, 07:32 PM
Eeer, Maurice when I said fatherly I meant father like eg. papa, not GOD.
You know, you shouldn't misuse GOD's name . :(
I don't think GOD would appreacite the manner in which you use his name to .......... :eek:
Buddy, peace be with you....

Friend. Let me give you a friendly advice. The relationship between God and a person is a very personal thing. I can use my God's name in any fashion and I don't think my God would be so narrow-minded. When I went for confession, I told my priest, "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. I have about four thousand sins. Which one would you like me to start first?" And you know what? My priest would laugh. Okay? So please do not make comments about my God and I. Thank you.

maurice lim
08-07-2008, 07:34 PM
I knew I can wait long enough for a sensible comment and from Gina, it is a plus.

How come I am not surprised? :D

HAN2
08-07-2008, 07:41 PM
and the rest of the comments from the rest are not sensible?

CS Chua
08-07-2008, 07:46 PM
Chua, based on your reasoning, political discussions in the usj.com.my forum can lead to anarchy and hence moderator has the right to stop such discussions? I dont get it
Dear Sinleong, I hope you did not intentionally misquote me. No where did I say that political discussions lead to anarchy. I had wrote:

"Even if it is a community blog, there must be an administrator or moderator. This blog does not run by itself. Someone has to care for it by spending much time and effort to keep it going. In my book, the administrator has the right to decide what is best for the forum. Otherwise, there will be anarchy (everybody doing what they think is right.)"

Just imagine, if you do not like this thread, you have it closed. HANS do not like another thread, he ordered it closed. I do not like what both of you are doing, I insists both threads be kept going. Where will it end? Anarchy. It will be a case of too many cooks spoiling the soup. Even a committee has a chairman. And there can only be one driver in a car.

There has to be someone in charge like all good things. We may disagree with his decision, we may even not like how he reach his conclusion but he is the moderator and not our office boy. If you do not like his style of moderating, sack him, if you can.

maurice lim
08-07-2008, 08:00 PM
There has to be someone in charge like all good things. We may disagree with his decision, we may even not like how he reach his conclusion but he is the moderator and not our office boy. If you do not like his style of moderating, sack him, if you can.

Many of us have no objection to Mr KWChang closing the thread. I mentioned before that. He is the moderator and he can do what the hell he wants. Look here, I don't even mind or care that he went orgasmic everytime somebody praised him. I sure don't get my orgasms that way but then, hey, everybody is different.

What I objected to is the way he went about it. Asking us to go back to work. That smacked of arrogance and total lack of respect for forumers.

pepsi
08-07-2008, 10:54 PM
Friend. Let me give you a friendly advice. The relationship between God and a person is a very personal thing. I can use my God's name in any fashion and I don't think my God would be so narrow-minded. When I went for confession, I told my priest, "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. I have about four thousand sins. Which one would you like me to start first?" And you know what? My priest would laugh. Okay? So please do not make comments about my God and I. Thank you.
I agree it's a very personal thing between GOD and you, however, I assume when you brought GOD into the picture and quoted the commandment, you wouldn't mind if I included it in these debate.

It's great that you go for confession, because I have not gone to one for a very long time. I got tired of confessing the same sins to the priest, over and over again. He was most probably bored . Nothing new. :D

Finally, I decided it's either I stop it all together or I 'll just accumulate and do it all at one go on my death bed. Hopefully, I get to see the priest on time before I pass on .

OK, let's not drag GOD into the picture anymore. :)

I hope the above clarifies where I stand on this matter.
I sincerely thank you for the friendly advice...I sure appreacite it minus the lethal wit and sarcasm. :D

Take care.

praetor
08-07-2008, 11:16 PM
...So please do not make comments about my God and I. Thank you.

Ave maurice.

Apparently we cannot agree to disagree. Perhaps some of us are chafed with Chang's method of telling us that the Arus Politik is closed temporarily. Before we embark on another salvo on Chang or taking on the defence of Chang, can we chose to be civil and not hurl insults?

Perhaps i'm naive but is this the core of our society?

Pax vorbiscum!

pepsi
08-07-2008, 11:28 PM
Many of us have no objection to Mr KWChang closing the thread. I mentioned before that. He is the moderator and he can do what the hell he wants. Look here, I don't even mind or care that he went orgasmic everytime somebody praised him. I sure don't get my orgasms that way but then, hey, everybody is different.

What I objected to is the way he went about it. Asking us to go back to work. That smacked of arrogance and total lack of respect for forumers.
Sorry for momentary lapse, getting back to the topic.
Summarising my stand on the matter :
I did not agree that the ARus Politik should be closed.
I didn't agree that KWChang was arrogant and ill mannered, because I know he meant well. He will accept different views, when we reasoned with him.
This is based on my experience when dealing with him regarding "bananas" and others.
But I do agree the words he used could come across as insulting - that is why I didn't disagree with HAN2, however, I must highlight not everyone felt insulted. It did come across as fatherly sort of command, at least to me :D
I guess it depends on how we perceive a certain person.
I can get away "scott free"with a four letter word with my buddies, but definitely not with a stanger or my parents. :)

At least the matter is already resolved .

maurice lim
09-07-2008, 06:48 AM
Ave maurice.

Apparently we cannot agree to disagree. Perhaps some of us are chafed with Chang's method of telling us that the Arus Politik is closed temporarily. Before we embark on another salvo on Chang or taking on the defence of Chang, can we chose to be civil and not hurl insults?

Perhaps i'm naive but is this the core of our society?

Pax vorbiscum!

Naive and pretentious? You said it. I didn't.

maurice lim
09-07-2008, 06:50 AM
Sorry for momentary lapse, getting back to the topic.
Summarising my stand on the matter :
I did not agree that the ARus Politik should be closed.
I didn't agree that KWChang was arrogant and ill mannered, because I know he meant well. He will accept different views, when we reasoned with him.
This is based on my experience when dealing with him regarding "bananas" and others.
But I do agree the words he used could come across as insulting - that is why I didn't disagree with HAN2, however, I must highlight not everyone felt insulted. It did come across as fatherly sort of command, at least to me :D
I guess it depends on how we perceive a certain person.
I can get away "scott free"with a four letter word with my buddies, but definitely not with a stanger or my parents. :)

At least the matter is already resolved .

Not too late for you to buy him a belated Father's Day gift. Try the bathroom section at Ikea. They sell good mirrors there. :)

pepsi
09-07-2008, 09:43 AM
Not too late for you to buy him a belated Father's Day gift. Try the bathroom section at Ikea. They sell good mirrors there. :)
:eek: ...speechless

Have a good day :)

sinleong
09-07-2008, 11:02 AM
:) sinleong - what we meant was the contributor to cool down. Readers don't need to cool down because they can avoid reading the posts. It is the contributors who get hot and create a situation whereby we attract unnecessary attention from the powers that be and risk the forum being closed or punished in the process.

You are right to say "stay away". For the contributors, the only way for them to stay away is to close the Arus Politik, exactly what I did.

I also have to thank Weezy for putting things in the right perspective.

chang, i know you are the moderator and adminsitrator. but you cannot treat usj.com.my as your own personal blog. just because other bloggers decide to stop talking politics that cannot mean you can decide for us that we have to stop talking politics! you can do that at http://kwchang.blogspot.com

pepsi
09-07-2008, 12:50 PM
Just an amusing thought I would like to share.
Please take it with a pinch of salt....okey .

(Warning may not be suitable for "square pegs"or "blur" people :D )

You know KWCHang could have told us :-)

a) " due to a technical glitch because of the hard disk, the back up also failed, so the arus politic section is temporarily closed for half the day.....(half a day passes by .....)
"Sorry problem still not rectified, it's until further notice .
" Please bear with us. Don't believe us ? We will give a public apology and are willing to accept responsibilty.
or

b) "we got a tip, that our political website is being infiltrated by someone with bad intentions and might post news and allegations akin to treachery... , so we thought we will go underground till we neutralise the threat .... "

:D :D

Happy working everyone.
Remember don't only work hard but also work smartlah, otherwise where to find time to work and post in this forum :D
Got to go... :)

chin_wan
09-07-2008, 12:57 PM
Good stuff kwchang!

kwchang
09-07-2008, 01:34 PM
...but you cannot treat usj.com.my as your own personal blog...Conversely, did you all notice that the usj forum had been USED as personal BLOGs for some members? I need not name people but those of you who have been following the forum long enough would find that some threads have the feel of a blog with specific themes and topics. Well, to be accurate ... blog-like forums within usj dot com

As for me, I only make the occassional comment or contribution. Most times I walk the beat to ensure things are in order and keep the forum moving along.

Should I remind everyone that although Jeff is an MP now, he did not start off usj dot com as a political Forum? It was (and still is) a community forum and I hope it keeps to its main role. As in all living things, the Forum evolved along the way. forums evolve along the topics discussed and the contributors can change the direction - this is what I have observed of late. That is, the General elections had pushed the forum towards politics. In the event, the normal community people either got sucked into the political vortex or just simply stayed away. I know a lot of regulars have stopped, perhaps because of the political deluge by the politically inclined.

I had explained why I closed the political area earlier, so I shall not say more on that.

chanseng738
09-07-2008, 03:25 PM
. I know a lot of regulars have stopped, perhaps because of the political deluge by the politically inclined.

Sorry Chang, I actually want to restrain myself from posting, but really cant control myself... I really confused what u said above?? :confused:

Why a lot of regulars have stopped because of the political deluge? If they dont want to see or read anything about the politics, cant they just ignore the Arus Politics and read only the main usj forum? Really cannot understand...

(Just a hypothetical scenario) Does that mean if I dont read Chinese newspaper, or the majority of Malaysians dont read Chinese newspaper (say 99%) and only 1% read Chinese newspaper, I will stop myself from reading English newspaper because there is too many Chinese newspaper around? And thus the govn need to close/ban the Chinese newspaper so that I can continue reading English newspaper?? (no offence, just a hypothetical scenario)

lord
09-07-2008, 03:42 PM
a case of MUKA TAK MALU!!!!!

isarahim
09-07-2008, 04:23 PM
I guess I'm one of the regulars nowadays.

The reason I haven't posted much recently is simply because too much sh** has hit the fan at the same time, and in fact many fans are involved, and it's flying around in all possible directions, so it's impossible to keep track lest make any sense out of it. When i post comments, i'd like them to be reasonably lasting; so as to not make them obsolete by the next turn of event etc. The current chain of events have just happened to fast for that.

This doesn't mean I'm fed up with what's happening. Actually I love what's happening. It's fundamentally crucial for the country to go through this phase in order to become the country that we want it to be in the future.

The only thing I can say is that the truth must be out in the open no matter what it is; no matter who is gaining or losing on it. That's the most important thing of all. Politics in Malaysia cannot move forward until the truth is out and dealt with; or at least proper and transparent procedures have commenced dealing with them. Else it will stall all the other more relevant issues.

Whereas I respect the reasons for the temporary closure during the peak of the current turmoil, I would like to point out that it fulfils an important role for the USJ community as it does for every community in this country. The past needs to be dealt with before any community politics can move forward with the right focus and ideas it deserves. Therefore I hope the closure is brief.

Jey
09-07-2008, 04:42 PM
a case of MUKA TAK MALU!!!!!


:D :D :D

Sorry, I tried to restrain myself from grinning, but I am unable to. :eek: Really Beh Tahan lo.
What is happening to me? :eek: :confused:

sinleong
09-07-2008, 06:17 PM
Conversely, did you all notice that the usj forum had been USED as personal BLOGs for some members? I need not name people but those of you who have been following the forum long enough would find that some threads have the feel of a blog with specific themes and topics. Well, to be accurate ... blog-like forums within usj dot com

As for me, I only make the occassional comment or contribution. Most times I walk the beat to ensure things are in order and keep the forum moving along.

Should I remind everyone that although Jeff is an MP now, he did not start off usj dot com as a political Forum? It was (and still is) a community forum and I hope it keeps to its main role. As in all living things, the Forum evolved along the way. forums evolve along the topics discussed and the contributors can change the direction - this is what I have observed of late. That is, the General elections had pushed the forum towards politics. In the event, the normal community people either got sucked into the political vortex or just simply stayed away. I know a lot of regulars have stopped, perhaps because of the political deluge by the politically inclined.

I had explained why I closed the political area earlier, so I shall not say more on that.

so we have a arus politik to push all political discussions to. so that people who dont like politics can read the main forum without being imposed on. like you said, this is a community forum. and people in this forum keep coming back because they feel at home, this is our community. i don't blame some members for treating this as their own forum, and they doing this does not prevent or discourage new members from joining and other people from participating in their discussions. i for one treat this forum as my home forum. whenever i read malaysia-today or other forums or blogs and form an opinion, i do not post them there. i come back here to usj.com.my to share with fellow forumers.

while blogs and forums on the world wide web are being promoted for open discussions and trading of opinions, it is still a surprise that usj.com.my is subject to censorships and suspensions by the moderator. i can understand and support censorship when some members go overboard with racists or obscene or insulting comments. but if it's political discussions done in a matured and gentleman nature, it should be encouraged, not discouraged!

pcyeoh
09-07-2008, 06:31 PM
If I catch anyone posting political stuff like the PrivateInvestigator, Anwar, Najib, PakLah and the likes, I will send them away because we do not want any such stuff on the non-political sections ... and I have closed the political section for now.

You guys either get back to work or go elsewhere for your political and rumour fix. Not here.
If the word 'now' means for the time being, this means that the Arus Politik is temporary closed. It may or may not be revived. But looking at the discussion and Chang's last few comments, it looks like the party is over and he has already switched off the light and took along the electricity which always produced the sparks in this political forum with him.

CS Chua
09-07-2008, 08:00 PM
Well, I still get my fix from Malaysiakini, Malaysia Today, Malaysia Insider etc. If anyone is experiencing some withdrawal symptoms as a result of the closure of Arus Politik, try those sites.

Examples of withdrawal symptoms are:

1. Irritability at the moderator or anyone who supports him
2. Coming back constantly to this thread to argue their case
3. persistently demanding for Arus Politik to be restored
4. Calling other people names
5. Making sarcastic remarks
6. Could not be consoled by others through logical and rationale argument
7. Behaving childishly, like a toy has been taken from them
8.
9.
10.

I am out of this thread. Good bye.

HAN2
11-07-2008, 12:13 AM
Well, I still get my fix from Malaysiakini, Malaysia Today, Malaysia Insider etc. If anyone is experiencing some withdrawal symptoms as a result of the closure of Arus Politik, try those sites.

Examples of withdrawal symptoms are:

1. Irritability at the moderator or anyone who supports him
2. Coming back constantly to this thread to argue their case
3. persistently demanding for Arus Politik to be restored
4. Calling other people names
5. Making sarcastic remarks
6. Could not be consoled by others through logical and rationale argument
7. Behaving childishly, like a toy has been taken from them
8.
9.
10.

I am out of this thread. Good bye.

I am one of those that bore all the symptoms you mentioned above and as a forumer I have the blardy right to voice my disagreement & displeasure at the closure of Arus Politik and the way KWChang has written to forumers treating us like kids or people who shirk their responsibilities at work.

Its fine for you to write what you did but at least have the guts to hang around long en ough to debate your points - what right have you got to judge others' behaviour? 'Hit & run' postings are for cowards and people who can't defend their points.

maurice lim
11-07-2008, 06:52 AM
I am one of those that bore all the symptoms you mentioned above and as a forumer I have the blardy right to voice my disagreement & displeasure at the closure of Arus Politik and the way KWChang has written to forumers treating us like kids or people who shirk their responsibilities at work.

Its fine for you to write what you did but at least have the guts to hang around long en ough to debate your points - what right have you got to judge others' behaviour? 'Hit & run' postings are for cowards and people who can't defend their points.

I agree with you 100%.

kwchang
11-07-2008, 07:16 AM
For your information, I thought events had cooled off enough for me to unlock Arus Politik but lo and behold, the PM had started another potentially hot topic with his announcement yesterday. So I shall let this new development cool off before the sub-forum is re-opened. Have a good weekend, my dear neighbours

isarahim
11-07-2008, 10:22 AM
I hope this doesn't set a rule that discussion will be closed as soon as there is something to discuss.

Blue Jasmine
11-07-2008, 10:27 AM
I hope this doesn't set a rule that discussion will be closed as soon as there is something to discuss.


It does look like a new trend ...does it means that you can only discuss what you are told? Hmmm.....what has happened to all of us...????

PeterHng
11-07-2008, 11:26 AM
It does look like a new trend ...does it means that you can only discuss what you are told? Hmmm.....what has happened to all of us...????

Looks like that.. unhealthy.

masmot
11-07-2008, 11:46 AM
after few days arus politik forum is closed by admin.i noticed that there are less New posts everytime i logged in.

i'm not a heavy posters in arus politik, but the closure has really affect on how many new threads is opened in this USJ forum. and i have lost one of my credible source of info too.

Raikonen
11-07-2008, 11:56 AM
It does look like a new trend ...does it means that you can only discuss what you are told? Hmmm.....what has happened to all of us...????

Hmm this place seems to mirror our august dewan rakyat....

HAN2
11-07-2008, 02:52 PM
For your information, I thought events had cooled off enough for me to unlock Arus Politik but lo and behold, the PM had started another potentially hot topic with his announcement yesterday. So I shall let this new development cool off before the sub-forum is re-opened. Have a good weekend, my dear neighbours
I am disappointed with this statement from you Chang... it looks like whenever there is something hot, you will shut down the Arus Politik, that was the way it came across to me.

If that is the case, you might as well shut it down for good. If you wish to treat the people here like kids....

It is so sickening to be told what you can read, what you can say and now what you can post... its happening right here in our own neighborhood forum.

Looks like USJ/SJ folks are ONLY PERMITTED to discuss traffic jams, snatch thefts, clogged drains and good eating places.

"Don't you even dare to mention one word of..... or I will send you away for good!". Wan't that what you threatened us with earlier?

The beginning of the end of good ole usj.com.my!

Raikonen
11-07-2008, 02:56 PM
A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE AGAINST KWCHANG.

AYE!

Perhaps to initiate a no-confidence thread in here.....hmmm...

maurice lim
11-07-2008, 10:06 PM
It does look like a new trend ...does it means that you can only discuss what you are told? Hmmm.....what has happened to all of us...????

Blue Jasmine. Nothing has happened to us. But there will always be imbeciles and cretins in this world.

praetor
11-07-2008, 10:54 PM
Ave maurice.

If i am not mistaken, you have posted earlier that the Lord is your only Lord. For some queer reason, you do seem to portray a rather.. unChristian characteristics, that is you cannot tolerate dissent and opposing opinions.

Not that i'm any better than anyone here but as you have mentioned i am naive and perhaps my words less sway than yours. However, might i seek an answer from you dear maurice, how is it that your words hold more weight than mine? The fact that you post more than i do? If it is so then the person who can shout the loudest is right no?

Pax Vorbiscum.

maurice lim
11-07-2008, 11:23 PM
Ave maurice.

If i am not mistaken, you have posted earlier that the Lord is your only Lord. For some queer reason, you do seem to portray a rather.. unChristian characteristics, that is you cannot tolerate dissent and opposing opinions.

Not that i'm any better than anyone here but as you have mentioned i am naive and perhaps my words less sway than yours. However, might i seek an answer from you dear maurice, how is it that your words hold more weight than mine? The fact that you post more than i do? If it is so then the person who can shout the loudest is right no?

Pax Vorbiscum.

No. I did not say you were naive. I said you were naive and pretentious. Aiyah. At least quote me correctly la.

My girlfriend asked me whether 'Ave' is a new fizzy drink and whether 'Pax Vorbiscum' is a new brand of sanitary napkin. What do you think?

ginaphan
11-07-2008, 11:30 PM
Wah, like that also can quarrel one, ah?

I was about to say that Chang may have gone overboard by predicting that we will not behave ..... but he knows us better, I guess.

Give him a break, guys. Let him have a peaceful weekend, enjoy his time with his family and hopefully, he'll open the thread next week. Even God needed a rest what more Chang, who I learn here is not God :D

xaviers
12-07-2008, 07:47 AM
Hey..guys give Chang a break leh.

He has his plans .... He needs some time to conduct his reforms... (hint)

Rocky19
12-07-2008, 11:32 AM
my issue is one should not shut down free speech. I've stayed away a few days and just read and not respond immediately.

the idea that a community forum is dictated what it can discuss and not discuss the current issues which are hot topics among the community is not the way to go. we are told to go to work.No politics at work? tell me which community or environment has no politics involved. sadly thou at he moment in Msia politics is an hot issue cos the state of the nation and the inability of the govt. asking one to go to another forum is like our infamous former BN Jerai MP asking people to leave Malaysian if they don't like it.

we are told we are not expert.Are the politician an expert? Dr.Mahatir should have stayed out of politics cos he is a doc la. maybe the political analyst are the expert. But they made a fool of themselves during the night of 8th March cos they were detached from reality. so who are the experts?

now we blame one or two for making this their own personal blogs. If that is so, deal with the one or two instead of sweeping every one with the same broom. and again cos one of two are staying away is also used as a reason. who is forcing them to stay away. There are many threads to read. stay away from arus politik. like small children pointing fingers it seems.

There is a tendency to be like BN...they know it all. the people are told not to talk this and that and that they BN know what is best for the people.Shut down opinions that are not inline with the people in power. Instead of being told to go to work, we are told to change lifestyle instead of complaining by BN. BN thought they had the silent majority on their side till 8th March. The only difference is we can tell BN via an election. we can't do much here except a boycott. Boycott since there doesn't seem to be an agreement that we can agree to disagree. There seems that rational argument why it should not be closed is not accepted.

as for CS chua can I say you are an apple polisher? No? be fair to those who have different opinion and don't label people just cos they don't see it your way or the moderator way. Others are giving valid opinions and are not being childish.

Boycott- consider that folks so that this is truly a community forum that is about the community that can speak what are the current issues instead of being told to go elsewhere or being talk down to or told what to talk. we need to get makkal Sakthi going here.

usj.com.my is a true community or is a selected community forum?

StonTemplePilot
12-07-2008, 12:06 PM
Quoted from another thread:

"For your information, I thought events had cooled off enough for me to unlock Arus Politik but lo and behold, the PM had started another potentially hot topic with his announcement yesterday. So I shall let this new development cool off before the sub-forum is re-opened. Have a good weekend, my dear neighbours"

Can't believe this statement when I read it. It is precisely this type of mentality in censoring any open discussion of issues, be it socially or politically that has led to the polarisation of the races in this country. Everything is deemed sensitive and has to be treated with kids' gloves...but this has to take the cake as our moderator has suddenly developed the gift of mind reading of the forumers in here. Are all posts in here has to be politically correct and in line with certain standards, whatever standards it may be? Why have a politics thread in the 1st place then if this is supposed to be only a community forum talking about Subang social issues?

When forumers' views get censored in the manner such as above, this forum will just die off. This forum is nothing without the online community forumers' contribution. Maybe Rocky19 is right about boycotting a forum which does not respect the very people that make it alive.

fonzie
12-07-2008, 01:23 PM
Ave Gina,

I disagree with you. Chang insulted us by asking us to go back to work and now he added more insult to injury by gleefully saying:

I did not interpret this comment as he was genuinely apologetic about it but was deliberately trying to antagonize in a childish and gleeful way.

Didn't insult me....

"trying to antagonize" and then "genuinely apologetic" (?)...pretty blur man!

Can we learn to agree to disagree and not being personal nor read between the lines?...Freedom of speech?...

Cheers!
FonZie

maurice lim
12-07-2008, 01:38 PM
Didn't insult me....

"trying to antagonize" and then "genuinely apologetic" (?)...pretty blur man!

Can we learn to agree to disagree and not being personal nor read between the lines?...Freedom of speech?...

Cheers!
FonZie

Ave Fonzie,

Sure. We can agree to disagree. But I think you mis-read my post or you have problem understanding my poor English (which I thought was unimportant and thus I deleted it). Okay. This thread is about the antics of KWChang and so I will not derail it and divert it into something unimportant.

Pax Vorbiscum. :)

Vixey
12-07-2008, 01:51 PM
I wouldn't say it is being mismanaged Stone Temple Pilot.

The way I see it, Arus Politik is just an add-on channel in our community forum. A venue to give the more active forum members a place to have a cyber teh tarik and discuss the latest turn of events.

But when the latest turn of events turns out to be really brimming with the possibility of run away speculative discussions and all kinds of negative comments, it makes sense to put a lid on it.

If everyone was capable of neutral fact-based discussions without getting racial, emotional or down right crude, then I really don't think Chang would have battered his blood-shot eye. But I think through experience he already knows the tidal wave that starts whenever something HOT becomes political headlines.

We have tons of political forums where we can rant and rave to our hearts content. Forums where its sole purpose is for political opinions and discussions.

USJ.com.my is our online Subang community and while politics does affect everyone but the primary focus of this forum is to bring our community together to make positive changes in where we live.

I understand reading about break-ins, or people lamenting about taxi services or requests for maids isnt very interesting as reading and commenting on scandalous news.

But this is the everyday things that are affecting people in the USJ area. And the forum is one avenue where we can all offer solutions or brainstorm ideas on how we can improve things and improve the quality of life living in Subang.

So, viewing the forum as a whole and Arus Politik as an add-on feature of the forum, I wouldn't say it was mismanaged. It isn't easy doing what Chang does day in and day out for years now to ensure that the forum does not disintegrate into a haven for some people.

kwchang
13-07-2008, 04:08 PM
As I promise, it is only temporary

However, please be reminded that we will not entertain stuff you picked up via unsubstantiated SMS or email leads. If it is your conjecture or opinion, please say so ... some readers take postings on the internet as truth.

bobkee
13-07-2008, 04:48 PM
As I promise, it is only temporary

However, please be reminded that we will not entertain stuff you picked up via unsubstantiated SMS or email leads. If it is your conjecture or opinion, please say so ... some readers take postings on the internet as truth.Just to be a bit naughty, some would take what is published in the newspapers as the uncritical truth as well ;)

praetor
13-07-2008, 04:54 PM
Greetings.

Apparently, someone was enlightened to take up Latin. Maurice, if indeed you are one to advocate free speech without restraints there is one little matter i'd like to point out with you.

You say Chang was insulting in a childish manner nay? If so, you called a fellow forummer here as rude. Ring a bell amicus meus? If you can describe that person as rude, aren't you imposing your will and opinions just as you claim that Chang is doing right now?

I will not breach this matter after this posting as a rule of engagement but if you continue to persist, i will abide with what MY LORD taught me: love thy neighbour. Yes that includes you.

Chang, they do have a point. The Arus Politik is a sub forum and in which nation do politics take a back seat? Perhaps you would disagree with me but don't you think this amount of time to cool off and to reflect on what has happened sufficient? Oh yeah, forget the fact that we are practically smashing one another here, democracy is well and truly alive in Malaysia with us ALMOST throwing the current ruling coalition out of Parliament.

Pax vorbiscum.

P.S.: Ave is Hail in Latin. Pax vorbiscum is peace be with you and if it's a sanitary napkin.. well.. use your imagination maurice and..

firefox
13-07-2008, 05:02 PM
As I promise, it is only temporary

However, please be reminded that we will not entertain stuff you picked up via unsubstantiated SMS or email leads. If it is your conjecture or opinion, please say so ... some readers take postings on the internet as truth.


How do you draw a line between the truth and hearsay? most of the stuff in the blogs and forums are purely for entertainment only, nowdays no one knows the truth or tells the truth.

kwchang
13-07-2008, 05:08 PM
...Chang, they do have a point.....Of course they have their points and I do listen ... otherwise, this Arus Politik would not have come back on.


...but don't you think this amount of time to cool off and to reflect on what has happened sufficient?..Ummmm.... your comment could mean that
a) "isn't it time to restart?" - answer = it has been re-started
b) "wasn't the cooling off period a tad too long?" - answer = yes, a bit long but it was good to have the old Forum back (minus politics) for a week. ;)

kwchang
13-07-2008, 05:15 PM
How do you draw a line between the truth and hearsay? most of the stuff in the blogs and forums are purely for entertainment only, nowdays no one knows the truth or tells the truth.
Absolutely right. That is why I pulled the handbrake recently when I felt the blogsphere wasn't getting anywhere near the truth.

Within the USJ Forum, we had emphasised the need for self-censorship. This does not just mean self-restraint from foul language or sexy stuff. It also means responsible postings to the Forum. We hope everyone check the facts. Let this Forum not evolve to a kopitiam.

You asked "how to draw the line"? I did one week ago. Even if that line meant I get a lot of flamming from people who did not like what I did by pulling the plug. No, it was not scientific nor was it fair - I just stopped the discussion.

pcyeoh
13-07-2008, 05:53 PM
You asked "how to draw the line"? I did one week ago.
Yeah yeah you did draw a line and in doing so you put yourself in the line of fire. But I guess you know in the line of duty, this is a thankless job but nevertheless you have to walk the line while many of us will be doing line dancing. I guess that only when usj.com.my is offline only will you have peace of mind. Please remember this line.

You can bet that I will support you if those criticising you are out of line and I don't care whether they are above or below the line. And for those who can read in between the lines and get your message, they should somehow toe the line for the sake of agreeing to disagree. So Chang in trying to hold the line down, please just crack your whip and don't lecture as some people who are more grown up could not take this lying down. But these people should also get in line and understand that sometime you get overboard.

So in line with what I am saying, I welcome that Arus Politik is online once again. If they still persist in arguing, line them up and give them each a banana to cool things off but don't suspend Arus Politik atau Lain Lain again to cool people off.

Jey
13-07-2008, 07:13 PM
I have never seen anyone draw so many lines :eek: :eek: :D

StonTemplePilot
13-07-2008, 09:11 PM
It doesnt work this way.

A forum needs its forumers more than the people needs the forum.

Post less to lessen the policing workload and let one play all himself..

orchipalar
14-07-2008, 12:25 AM
Err buddies...Orchi would have hoped to see the Arus Politik be closed for longer period of time...until such instance when needed again...like when it's near to general election or something like that...

NOTHING can be said in Arus Politik...that could make things better with Malaysian politics...between elections.

It's when during polling day...or by pursuing the relevant matters with the more appropriate n proper channels...that folks could make changes happening for better or worst...

Orchi has since discovered that by posting...ranting...n debating in the Arus Politik...after the general election...is just a waste of time n server space...

All it takes is ONE false move by someone spewing poisonous venom in the Arus Politik...n it could be the end of this community website that many are dependent upon...where many other close-at-heart issues relating to community happenings...crime prevention initiative...critical announcements...emergency assistance or helplines...n etc etc etc....could NO longer be highlighted or discussed.

Best is for everyone to get right back to other more important life issues...like family ...health...career...financial well being...education...relationship... charity...leisure n etc etc etc...

Oh btw...times are bad...n by the looks of things to come...it won't get any better in any foreseeable future...

Orchi for one...quite noticeably has since embarked on a different path in trying to see whether life can be remaining to be as accommodating n comforting for little Orchis...n those that may be in need of assistance...with which Orchi feels the efforts could earn more rewards...n satisfaction.

Unless until such time when necessary...posting...ranting n debating in Arus Politik...won't get Orchi or anyone...anywhere in there.