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orchipalar
06-07-2008, 02:06 PM
Err buddies...Orchi tells you on the most recent visit to Sandakan n Tawau...while entering out of town plantations n fields where Orchi had been to on many occasions previously...but this time around...Orchi felt like Orchi
was a foreigner visiting unfamiliar places...instead.

Very often when Orchi comes across any inhabitants around those area...Orchi would hear foreign Malay slang being spoken...while foreign dangdut musik would be played over most loud speakers found anywhere in the similar vicinity where there are inhabitants...

In fact...everywhere Orchi looked Orchi finds traces...or things of unfamiliar culture...with which Orchi was not as accustomed to.

Back in the towns...the Malay n Chinese Malaysian inhabitants would be working n living in certain segregated town areas or kampungs of both the townships...while very few Indian Malaysians(besides Indian Muslims) can be seen anywhere over these areas.

More n more shops n other public areas in the old towns are mostly occupied by plenty foreign looking Malay inhabitants...n workers.

The traditional Chinese operated shops have since moved to newly developed locations...but still the majority of the workers that the shop owners employ are mostly foreign looking Malay...

Even in those areas where local Malays used to flock like market places...are over run plenty by the foreign looking Malays...

Back to once thought to be familiar territory of Kuala Lumpur n the Klang Valley at large...areas of China Town Petaling Street...Kota Raya...Central Market...Jalan TAR...n Chow Kit Road bazaar...etc etc. in Central KL...have almost been fully occupied by the foreign inhabitants n workers....

Where have the plenty of local Malays...Chinese or Indian inhabitants..gone to...?

How many of those so called foreigners are visitors?
How many of them are permanent residents?
How many of them are "Malaysians"...by now?
What would be the implications be sooner or later...when those inhabitants inter-married or mixed with local Malaysian Malays...Chinese or Indians...?

What is the actual total population of foreigners in the areas of USJ/Subang Jaya/Sunway...alone?

If Orchi gives a rough estimation by ratio of 6 Malaysians :1 foreigner...it could be an understatement...

praetor
06-07-2008, 04:20 PM
Ave Orchi.

If you would want to get a better picture, just take a RapidKL bus U63 around 4 30 in the afternoon and ye shall witness the plentiful foreign population.

Should it worry us? Yes, because we might not be Malaysians in Malaysia anymore if they had any say in it.

Pax vorbiscum.

chaywh
06-07-2008, 04:33 PM
Not evenryone perceive themself as Malaysian although they are holding Malaysian I/C.

joker2107
06-07-2008, 05:33 PM
How many of those so called foreigners are visitors?
How many of them are permanent residents?
How many of them are "Malaysians"...by now?
What would be the implications be sooner or later...when those inhabitants inter-married or mixed with local Malaysian Malays...Chinese or Indians...?

What is the actual total population of foreigners in the areas of USJ/Subang Jaya/Sunway...alone?

If Orchi gives a rough estimation by ratio of 6 Malaysians :1 foreigner...it could be an understatement...
orchi, this joker has been writing on the topic for not less than 5 years. based on oficial figures, the ration is 1 non citizen for every 11 citizens. but what exactly is citizen is anybody's guess - those with red ic? those who arived in tongkangs in the middle of the night and bought a mykad? the instant bumiputras?

of course, the ratios are no lnger the same now. and we need to factor in the non-legal arrivals.

yet we have idiots in parliament who have the galls to utter that unmentionable proposition in respect of non-Malays, with pathetic feigned ignorance and disregard to the reality that so many so called bumiputras are very recent imports, including first-generation, from across the south western straits.

chaywh
06-07-2008, 06:02 PM
Ha ha .. What a damn clear answer! I like the way you answer it. :) what about those manufactured from mix-races... (Lain-lain) :)

pepsi
06-07-2008, 10:42 PM
An incident I want to relate.
When I was out for an evening walk at the playground, I saw many indonesians with their young charges "berkerumun" chit chatting. They were exchanging views, comparing the employers . I note while they were busy talking amongst themselves,they were quite oblivious of what their young charges were doing. There was one particular one who was so "busy" she didn't even realise the boy about 5 years old calling her several times for assistance.

I was quite angry, because a week ago I encountered a young maid who was busy swimming with the older charges at the other end of the pool leaving a toddler alone sitting at edge of the children's pool. She must have thought since there was someone (a stranger) around it was safe? I ticked her off. This was a maid to a malay family.I nearly wanted to report to the parents but decided the maid (quite young) may have been ignorant and has learned her lesson.

Back to the park, I walked up to the maid and pointed out to her that the young boy was calling her and that she should pay more attention. She was not happy and spoke to another maid . The maid said out loud " Itu sama bangsa dengannya...."
I was flabbergasted, who does she think she is to bring up race when she is not even a Malaysian ????
What made her think that if the child was of a different race from me, I would have just "closed an eye".
This is the mindset of even an indonesian maid ?
Where did she get this idea from ?
You go figure.

Dr. J George
07-07-2008, 10:29 AM
...and the Indonesian media and NGOs say we are the bad and unkind employers? :confused:

In fact, this is 'extremely mild' to the horror stories we (http://www.cassa.org.my/) (http://www.drjacobgeorge.com/) have encountered! :eek:

pepsi
07-07-2008, 10:50 AM
...and the Indonesian media and NGOs say we are the bad and unkind employers? :confused:

In fact, this is 'extremely mild' to the horror stories we (http://www.cassa.org.my/) (http://www.drjacobgeorge.com/) have encountered! :eek:
There is a reason why some employers refuse to allow their maids too much freedom or to be given an off day and to mix around.
When they do so, they make comparisons and they are influenced by those maid with bad working attitudes. A lot ran away because of these influence too although their employers are not cruel, some maybe strict and even in some cases kind.
Not all Malaysian employers are to be blame.

rachel sj
07-07-2008, 11:01 AM
to be fair...there are also some decent indon maids who just come here to find a living. esp the younger ones..I agree that it's not a good idea to let your newly arrived maid to mix around with neighbours' maids ...they will get influenced in a negative way

AllUrban
07-07-2008, 04:34 PM
I was flabbergasted, who does she think she is to bring up race when she is not even a Malaysian ????
....
Where did she get this idea from ?
You go figure.Indeed...what a great question...where are these attitudes coming from.....?

Cheers, m

chaywh
07-07-2008, 04:40 PM
You never know their true background... everything she told you might be fabricated, and if you choose to believe, then your kids might pay for the risks. It's business, don't take it personal and emotional. It's like a chained tiger in circus show, although training is provided, but you never know what is in their mind, will it going to bite you? Always a question. Just design some business rules for them..to lower the risks.

pepsi
07-07-2008, 05:53 PM
Indeed...what a great question...where are these attitudes coming from.....?

Cheers, m
...coincidently the other maid that made the remark, happens to work for a family of a different race from the other one ...
It sure gives us some ideas... :)

bobkee
07-07-2008, 06:09 PM
Haiyah .. a few generations ago, our ancestors were also "visitors".

xaviers
07-07-2008, 06:17 PM
Somehow somewhere we all lost our way.... and values

Carolrasiah
07-07-2008, 11:14 PM
take a look at Pangsapuri Angsana, u will get the answer here. local malays are married to them :eek:

chaywh
08-07-2008, 12:50 AM
makan apa-apa saja... I feel silk :mad: