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xweird
12-06-2008, 10:38 AM
Hi forummers,

I work in the area of Phileo Damansara in Sec16 PJ. Daily I have to face a traffic jam just to exit the car park area because of the massive congestion in front of Phileo Damansara. This is no doubt caused by cars which have been indiscriminately parked along the road, narrowing the 2 lanes down to only 1 lane.

I wonder, who should be the right party to write to regarding this matter:
MBPJ?
DBKL?
Polis?

Thanks for any of your advice.

besitai2007
12-06-2008, 11:11 AM
I know the place is bad because my daughter works in Menara Star. There is no proper enforcement. My work place is no better. MPKL and the police were giving summons like free vouchers especially right after the elections (to punish car owners for voting for the opposition?). But after some time they are nowhere to be seen and people are still parking all over. This problem is all over KL and PJ. But this is a Subang Jaya forum..so I think we should discuss the things more relevant to Subang Jaya.. like the madness in Taipan which is a daily occurrence.

chewie
12-06-2008, 11:45 AM
i believe that we can discuss anything that happen around that will effect the other people. we cannot limit a forum to discuss about one location only.

i do agree with xweird. especially at the u-turn there, all cars just park along side causes those large and heavy vehicle unable to pass through...

but what i know recently that the traffic light timing after the BHP station is being changed thus not that congested also.

Jey
12-06-2008, 12:12 PM
Yes, I noticed that too. I once seen a car blocking the way out from the Phil Damansar II building that exits near the Junction to go into Phil Damansara I bldg. I saw a note written on the windscreen by some furious party... :D

"What kind of Idiot are you... bla , bla, bla... " The rest were not legible as I was just walking past and read quickly the note on the windscreen.
Previoulsy some people used to park at the side of the overhead bridge that U turns near that junction. :eek:

That place has a serious parking problem. :p

xweird
12-06-2008, 12:33 PM
I am just a Subang boy who works in Sec16. Sometimes it takes me half an hour just to get out of the car park!

bslee
12-06-2008, 12:46 PM
Petrol up, we burn more fuel in jam, bottleneck and ill planned highways to many destinations that are actually near, still VERY bad public transport services..
What the heck is this country coming to...blame the good for nothing but status quo kinda gahmen again?..

chewie
12-06-2008, 03:53 PM
at times we cannot blame the drivers as there is insufficient car park. park inside the building will cost a bomb...and there is no public car park near there...so they have no choice to park there...

kwwong99
12-06-2008, 04:29 PM
What do you mean not enough car parks? There are many car park lots in the basement. The one that parks besides the road are cheap skate, unwilling to pay but wanting to drive a car!! :mad:

xweird
13-06-2008, 09:52 AM
So still no one answer me worr.. who should be the right party to complain to?
MBPJ?
DBKL?
Polis?

chewie
13-06-2008, 10:05 AM
xweird...is MBPJ as its in Petaling Jaya....

but complain also no use... they come and issue summon thats it... but ppl still park there

chewie
13-06-2008, 10:06 AM
What do you mean not enough car parks? There are many car park lots in the basement. The one that parks besides the road are cheap skate, unwilling to pay but wanting to drive a car!! :mad:

but i heard that the monthly parking is about rm160 per month... correct me if i am wrong... maybe they want to cut cost.. not many ppl earn much money.... at times rm160 is a lot to someone....

AllUrban
13-06-2008, 02:44 PM
sometimes I think the only solution to indiscriminate parking is to deregulate tow trucks...

Then people would definitely park in the garages for the safety of their cars

Cheers, m

kwwong99
13-06-2008, 02:49 PM
but i heard that the monthly parking is about rm160 per month... correct me if i am wrong... maybe they want to cut cost.. not many ppl earn much money.... at times rm160 is a lot to someone....

Does that mean these people can park indiscriminately then?

chewie
13-06-2008, 03:41 PM
Does that mean these people can park indiscriminately then?

nope... at least dont call people a cheapskate for saving the parking fees. maybe you could afford to park inside and not other people...but to park at the U-turn bridge is totally wrong...what happen if emergency vehicle such as a big fire engine needs to make a U-Turn..

is hard to control it...even everyday the police goes and summon them, they will still park...

furthermore, is hard to get parking in Phileo as most of the parking lot is being reserved for companies who have a lot there. even the parking management offered a fews lot for a unit...

also the management needs to reserve the parking lots for new tenants that will be coming in.... until then, they are unable to release any parking space inside even u can afford it..

the info i got it from the one of the parking management office staff...

xweird
13-06-2008, 05:19 PM
chewie... believe me... it's very easy to get parking in Phileo (at least Phileo 2, where The Star is located).

I'm not only referring to those people who park on the u-turn ramp, but also those who park on the road side where there is clearly a yellow line. I'll show you a photo to illustrate what I mean.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_yxPgLyo4Sl4/R_SbQFvbRAI/AAAAAAAAAKc/94iSjcZVWw4/s1600-h/Image101.jpg

chewie
13-06-2008, 06:11 PM
chewie... believe me... it's very easy to get parking in Phileo (at least Phileo 2, where The Star is located).

I'm not only referring to those people who park on the u-turn ramp, but also those who park on the road side where there is clearly a yellow line. I'll show you a photo to illustrate what I mean.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_yxPgLyo4Sl4/R_SbQFvbRAI/AAAAAAAAAKc/94iSjcZVWw4/s1600-h/Image101.jpg

yeah i know..at times i will go to phileo one for a drink at mbar... and i am very pissed off with those car park on the yellow line, causes a long queue or even squeeze into one lane before reaching bhp station...

jimijamison
14-06-2008, 01:11 AM
What if MBPJ privatized the summons/towing???

I am sure the problem may be solved overnight but at great expense. There could be fights and increase in violence.

I guess our society is not ready yet and judging from the reactions of the fuel hike, will not be ready for a while longer to face the truth and reality of proper enforcement.

The easy way is for everyone to turn a blind eye :mad:

isarahim
14-06-2008, 08:32 AM
Daily I have to face a traffic jam just to exit the car park area because of the massive congestion in front of Phileo Damansara. This is no doubt caused by cars which have been indiscriminately parked along the road, narrowing the 2 lanes down to only 1 lane.
I'm also with this area as I often do business with an company there.

I must say the blame cannot exclusively be put on the car drivers. The blame for this rests equally, if not more, with the building management of Phileo Damansara and East Inn/CP Towers. The parking fees they slam guests with are hideous. This forces a lot of car out of the garages onto the streets; and drivers with short errands will refuse to enter.

Another contributing factor is the building management of CP Tower's policy of not letting cars park temporarily anywhere near the entrance, despite the fact that there are many service oriented companies in that building as well as a bank. So where are the cars supposed to go then? The East Inn/CP Towers garage is usually full and the fee is exhorbitant. They demand bank visitors to search for a parking in 30 minutes and pay a fee just to access the ATM? Like in so many other cases in Kuala Lumpur, CP Towers are simply pushing their problem on to someone else.

The blame rests also with MPPJ for not providing sufficient and reliable public transport; only crammed and poorly maintained buses which business people cannot travel in without having to change shirt.

So sure, you can ignore the causes and go to war with the symptoms by fining cars incessantly, but this will not help Phileo Damansara.

sinleong
14-06-2008, 02:02 PM
i used to work in phileo II. i would not blame the drivers solely. 1st of all, there is ample parking inside the building. there were ample parking back then in 2002 and there were ample parking when i visited the place recently. just that you have to go further down the basement. the problem with the parking system, you have to drive very large rounds the parking lots to get further down the basement and coming back up. whoever designed it like this is a complete idiot. so, i can understand if some drivers who go to phileo for a short errand and don't want to drive 10 minutes inside the parking area alone to get down to the basement and another 10 minutes to get out. and to compound this fact, the parking rate is so expensive. i am not just talking about the monthly pass which is RM160 (it used to be RM120 in 2002). if you park for 2-3 hours, it costs you almost RM10. for a stupid place in the middle of nowhere which offers little choice for public transport, phileo knows that you NEED to drive to get there and you have NO choice but to pay them whatever amount they ask for. so, they farmed out the parking to a private company at a high rent and they would have no choice but to charge a high rate to make the money back. how else can you explain for a place like this to have parking charges same if not higher than downtown city center?

another problem as some forumer pointed out and i quite rightly agree is that during peak hours, it takes almost 30 minutes to get out of the parking. i once experienced 1 hour because the road outside was jammed. so if you are not a season parker, you would have to pay extra 1 hour parking charge just trying to get out. no wonder why so many people would rather risk it and park outside illegally.

sinleong
14-06-2008, 02:04 PM
people who design parking lots in malaysia have to go to special training. another place that came to mind is leisure commerce square in sunway. you have to drive all the way to one end of the basement and all the way back to the other end just to go up 1 level. imagine the amount of fuel and the fumes in the basement from all these driving.

isarahim
14-06-2008, 02:29 PM
Yes Sinleong, thanks for adding that! I totally agree.

Another key issue in Malaysia is sloppy regulation on parking lots vis-a-vis office space. The ratio is very low; and often the approved ratio is eroded by letting up parking space to VIP, carwash and pasar activities.....

Weezy
14-06-2008, 02:52 PM
whatever it is... its not right to use the u turn bridge as a parking lot. its dangerous as the bridge is not built for that purpose.

the tenants are the right ppl to complain... if they cant get ppl to work there cos ppl cant find parking... they shud move somewhere more accessible. this will hit the building management.

parking is my pet irritant. when you dun have ample parking where you work, it really gets on your nerves.

isarahim
14-06-2008, 11:16 PM
parking is my pet irritant. when you dun have ample parking where you work, it really gets on your nerves.
The issue is a bit different in Phileo Damansara. There is ample parking, but due to the exhorbitant fees, normal people cannot afford them. It's not a matter of trying to defend reckless parking, it's a matter of identifying the real root causes.

chewie
14-06-2008, 11:21 PM
yup..true also....at times parking fees is the main thing that people park outside...

xweird
16-06-2008, 12:16 PM
ermm.. don't you think that 2 wrongs don't make a right?

just because the parking fees are exorbitant doesn't mean that they have a right to park illegally?

isarahim
17-06-2008, 08:23 AM
just because the parking fees are exorbitant doesn't mean that they have a right to park illegally?
See last sentence in my posting #23 above.

Jey
17-06-2008, 09:53 AM
whatever it is... its not right to use the u turn bridge as a parking lot. its dangerous as the bridge is not built for that purpose.


I agree with this. There is no issue when nothing happens. But the day the bridge collapsed and killed somone or several people due to illegal parking, which would not be something the designers would have factored in when they designed the bridge, then it becomes an issue. Knowing how shoddy the building work (i.e MRR2 bridge as an example) of some of the bridges in the Klang Valley, this action will be like playing Russian Roulette. Root causes or Root beers aside, the issue of safety should come first before anything.

chewie
17-06-2008, 10:24 AM
recently there was a massive jam for hours as a trailer wanted to use the bridge and its path is being block by all the car that park on the bridge...

luckily the trailer is kind enough to wait for all the cars owner to come to remove the car... if not.... the trailer will just drive his way through...

isarahim
17-06-2008, 06:02 PM
But the day the bridge collapsed and killed somone or several people due to illegal parking, which would not be something the designers would have factored in when they designed the bridge, then it becomes an issue.
If there is a safety issue, they should tow the cars away.

chewie
18-06-2008, 11:19 AM
but there are so many cars parked there...and is an known issue but why MPBJ or police not taking any action....summon is just not enough..

isarahim
18-06-2008, 12:32 PM
but there are so many cars parked there...and is an known issue but why MPBJ or police not taking any action....summon is just not enough..
Exactly. Summon is not enough seems people might not have any alternative.

Instead MPPJ need to:
- Force Phileo to drop parking fees.
- Enforce use of TnG as the ONLY payment method at ALL parking entrances (provides faster entry and less congestion both in and out)
- Force a change in Bernas (or whomever currently managing CP Towers) to change policy in order to allow 5 minute errands to stop at the CP Towers ramp as long as one driver is inside.
- Force CP Towers/East Inn to drop parking fees.

there were some other suggestions by posters above which are important too.

xweird
18-06-2008, 11:30 PM
err... can MBPJ force a private building owner to lower parking fees?

anyway, it's this type of attitude that prevents us from becoming first class mentality. just because it inconveniences us (in terms of money and also difficulty in parking/walking) so we take the easy way out which is to block everyone else. it's all these people that cause the massive jams going out of phileo damansara!

jayded
20-06-2008, 10:14 AM
I work in Phileo. The jam here is a nightmare!!

Yes, the parking inside is so dam expensive. I park near the shell opposite and walk over.

if i park inside my stingy company only subsidizes half. worst still you have to pay 2 months deposit for the parking.

so, i rather park outside....