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SunwayK
21-04-2008, 09:25 PM
One always thought that only toll agreements benefit the concessionaires. But according to this Sun report,

http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=21581

even the ERL benefits from it. It might amaze you to know that each time you travel out of KLIA / LCCT without using the ERL, you still end up paying RM6 (international) and RM2 (domestic) for the services. And it does not even matter that the ERL does not stop at LCCT!!

Being suckered into an agreement that neither benefits you, me or the poor, no words, which this forum permits, can describe the bullcrap that we, as a nation, have to endure.

Rocky19
21-04-2008, 09:30 PM
we have to thank the EPU and Tun Mahatir for this kind of guarantee deals that favours the well connected. No wonder now they want to build a high speed train to Spore.Maybe anyone visiting Spore by land, sea or air have to pay them an exit and entry fee...indirectly off course as the govt will collect for them.

camry32
21-04-2008, 10:26 PM
we have to thank the EPU and Tun Mahatir for this kind of guarantee deals that favours the well connected. No wonder now they want to build a high speed train to Spore.Maybe anyone visiting Spore by land, sea or air have to pay them an exit and entry fee...indirectly off course as the govt will collect for them.

This makes me sick to da core. A govman that cheat it's people will surely pay the price for itís sin one day and that day is not very far away

Rocky19
21-04-2008, 10:36 PM
BTW sunwayk..it is regardless not irregardless. :)

joker2107
21-04-2008, 11:07 PM
it goes beyond a gomen paying for its sins.

the money-talk-all guy at ytl is the one we should be throwing stones at. not just of the erl. remember the power supply deal? what's happened to the heritage bukit bintang girls school? and the 5 star hotels in the bukit bintang area protesting the closure of the access to their hotel for the sake of a privateer's profiteering activity which incidentally wreaked havoc to the traffic in the city - yes tens of thousands must suffer just so that one who can stoop as low as a pariah can enrich his business. they are the ones who made THE shopping mile of kl at bukit bintang a domain of the rich only. i have no regrets not investing in pantai hill park - based on the voices of frustration from residents. you wanna go to singapore in less than the time i need to drive to ipoh despite hitting 150 on my speedo? anybody got any info on the sentul redevelopment thingy? oh ya, a very recent business news reported that the group is on the trail of acquiring more land in kl.

my friends, its not just the gomen who milks. some super rich kids are not satisfied with inheritance - they must also do what milkmaids do, only that their fingers stroke not cows but you and i. i'd rather stay far far away ... actually i do not have much choice - i cannot afford the affluence and economic standards demanded by this society-stratifier.

camry32
21-04-2008, 11:21 PM
so the question is what can we do about it? sit and complain or can we take some action so that that this suckers don't laugh all da way to the bank anymore?????

sinleong
22-04-2008, 12:20 AM
it pains me as hell that some people right now are enjoying a life of luxury at the expense of us the taxpayers!

MadPajero
22-04-2008, 12:30 AM
It doesn't say anywhere about people who took the ERL paying different price from the others, so does it mean that they pay twice?

lookman
22-04-2008, 02:20 PM
Nope. But it means that all the people who do NOT take ERL is paying for the trip especially international

Bad ... bad ....

Shaneburger
22-04-2008, 09:54 PM
from http://news.my.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1347750


...received a private proposal from Malaysian property and utility firm YTL Corp for a high-speed train link between the two countries...

Yo Francis, lets open up this "private" proposal of yours and let the rakyat decides, boleh ka?

clfoo
22-04-2008, 10:36 PM
On the other hand, to qualify as good corporate citizen, b4 Francis Yeo ever thinking of bullet train to singapore, he should make ERL more affordable to the local (discount for passenger with MyKad) since most of the time the train is half empty anyway, also they can help Cyberjaya flourish by creating a stop at cbj which they currently only passed by cyberview (less ppl drive there will mean less subsidy of petrol from govt needed -- according to their own logic), treat it as social responsibility bcos they r oledi subsidized by airport tax. Do the right thing.

SunwayK
23-04-2008, 08:54 AM
BTW sunwayk..it is regardless not irregardless. :)
Yes, you are right Rocky.....irregardless, is normally used in speech and not widely accepted.


also they can help Cyberjaya flourish by creating a stop at cbj which they currently only passed by cyberview (less ppl drive there will mean less subsidy of petrol from govt needed -- according to their own logic)
The KLIA Transit do stop at Cyberjaya and several other places along the way. The KLIA Express goes direct.


utility firm YTL Corp for a high-speed train link between the two countries...
One of the so-called benefit of this is that property prices between the two cities will converge and be closer. Obviously, YTL will benefit with their forays in Sentul and purchases in Bukit Bintang. What other area they or other related parties will benefit -you and I may never know until it is too late.

AllUrban
23-04-2008, 11:21 AM
On the other hand, to qualify as good corporate citizen, b4 Francis Yeo ever thinking of bullet train to singapore, he should make ERL more affordable to the local (discount for passenger with MyKad) since most of the time the train is half empty anyway, also they can help Cyberjaya flourish by creating a stop at cbj which they currently only passed by cyberview (less ppl drive there will mean less subsidy of petrol from govt needed -- according to their own logic), treat it as social responsibility bcos they r oledi subsidized by airport tax. Do the right thing.a very interesting analysis of the topic.

I think that the fact that this info was not made public is pretty
outrageous. This kind of sweetheart deal is very offensive.


At the same time, I feel that the KLIA Transit (the limited-stop
sister to the ERL) is a good service and it should be expanded. I
would also support ERLSB dropping the fare of the KLIA Transit to
encourage more people to use it for day-to-day commuting.


Obviously, YTL will benefit with their forays in Sentul and purchases in Bukit Bintang. What other area they or other related parties will benefit -you and I may never know until it is too late.

That is why we should have an open examination of the ERL and ask what
kind of subsidy it really needs...and then get the government to
provide that subsidy.

With better, more open subsidy, ERLSB could build more stations
(currently the KLIA Transit stops at KL Sentral, Bandar Tasik Selatan,
Putrajaya, Selak Tinggi, and KLIA) to provide rapid transit service
for more people. Imagine if the KLIA Transit were extended to Kuala
Lumpur station? Or even to the inner city? Or even to Sentul? New
stations at Sg. Besi (one day that airport will be redeveloped) and
Kajang and LCCT?

It would probably be cheaper for YTL to extend the KLIA Transit service to KL and add more stations than it would to build this bullet train.

And more passengers means more revenue for the company and fewer cars on the road...and another realistic transit option for Malaysians.

Getting a taste of limited stop rail services might excite Malaysians to use public transport and push KTMB to make their services more competitive.


Cheers, m

joker2107
23-04-2008, 01:10 PM
from [url]...received a private proposal from Malaysian property and utility firm YTL Corp for a high-speed train link between the two countries...

and its reportedly a environmentally friendly corporate-socially responsible project.

tell that to the greens which have to make way for the alignment, to the steel which make the rail, the hills which have to be blasted to acquire the base rocks and concrete, the peoples who will be displaced for this self serving ambition. heck, if i generate power which tenega does not want, why not send it all the way to our southern neighbour and consume part of it in the process under the guise of a means of transportation. (i was expecting a revelation a little foreign island buying power from a local ipp). and surely we don't need inflation to be further fueled by the kiasulang?

too bad, so sad, for once the rot is nipped in the bud - the rail idea has been derailed. :p

clfoo
23-04-2008, 03:35 PM
The KLIA Transit do stop at Cyberjaya and several other places along the way.
which part of cyberjaya do they stop?


(currently the KLIA Transit stops at KL Sentral, Bandar Tasik Selatan, Putrajaya, Selak Tinggi, and KLIA)
as far as i know they only stop at the above places that allurban mentioned.


Imagine if the KLIA Transit were extended to Kuala
Lumpur station? Or even to the inner city? Or even to Sentul?
i think u mention SENTUL not by coincident right? :rolleyes: , and YTL rightfully should jump at the idea too bcos they have big development project undergoing there.


It would probably be cheaper for YTL to extend the KLIA Transit service to KL and add more stations than it would to build this bullet train.

And more passengers means more revenue for the company and fewer cars on the road...and another realistic transit option for Malaysians.

Getting a taste of limited stop rail services might excite Malaysians to use public transport and push KTMB to make their services more competitive.

Agree with you fully.
Remember once Negeri Sembilan got intention to build rail from KLIA to Seremban and PD. If that can be done probably is good news for workforces in KL, because less car commute via seremban highway not only reduce the congestion into town, also more affordable living cost out of town make lesser need to migrate to klang valley. This is not another way of mitigate inflation?

bslee
23-04-2008, 04:10 PM
Aiyah!... Malaysia and majority rakyat are NOT prepared to easily afford such facilities. The gahmen tok kok day in day out, can't even show its improving city transport/infrasrtucture, so many traffic issues to solve where majority rakyat are suffering by unneccessary spending and wasting more on fuel (only making Petronas wealthier and contributing to gahmen coffers), ever rising cost of tolled roads and increased cost for anyone travelling to & from KLIA.
Malaysia is NOT ready!..it'll only backfire back at the rakyat....period!...whats more to debate?.

AllUrban
23-04-2008, 06:26 PM
Aiyah!... Malaysia and majority rakyat are NOT prepared to easily afford such facilities. The gahmen tok kok day in day out, can't even show its improving city transport/infrasrtucture, so many traffic issues to solve where majority rakyat are suffering by unneccessary spending and wasting more on fuel (only making Petronas wealthier and contributing to gahmen coffers), ever rising cost of tolled roads and increased cost for anyone travelling to & from KLIA.
Malaysia is NOT ready!..it'll only backfire back at the rakyat....period!...whats more to debate?.Not ready today...but we have to look at tomorrow as well.

Today I got a letter from a local friend...he lives in USJ, his brother studies in Cyberjaya. No transport from USJ to Cyberjaya. The only RapidKL bus is the u43 (unreliable) and it stops at Kelana Jaya LRT station...it passes through Sunway (along LDP) but there are no stops there either.

So his father sends him to cyberjaya and picks him up. To do this he must pass the tolls, and it costs RM6.40 just to get from Puchong to Cyberjaya and back.

Now...if RapidKL were prepared to offer a decent service...then we could hope for something.

But they arent prepared...so we the rakyat have to fork over the money anyways.

So you either pay or you pay. Or you change the system.

Cheers, m