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pywong
15-04-2008, 04:18 PM
I notice some work to lay paver blocks at the hairpin bend of Jln Kemajuan Subang, in front Sekolah Kebangsaan SS 17 (in SS 19).
See the red circle here: hairpin (http://www.multimap.com/maps/?t=l&map=4.21851,109.99511|6|4#map=3.07715,101.57958|17 |4&loc=GB:3.07884:101.57313:17||)

This is at the end of a straight stretch in which cars would have developed quite high speed. It seems to be in preparation for a junction to allow construction traffic from the SS 19 development project to enter Jln Kemajuan Subang.

To introduce a junction into a bend at the end of a long, straight stretch is a very dangerous thing to do. Normally, construction traffic should only be allowed to enter a minor road instead of directly into a main road. I wonder whether MPSJ has considered the legal implications of traffic accidents occurring here. Not to mention the disruption to traffic in the morning by construction vehicles entering and exiting here.

Have the residents in SS 19 been consulted on this?

I hope MPSJ will review their decision on this matter.

sarawakian
15-04-2008, 04:32 PM
I know why. That was constructed to ensure people have to take a longer route down and avoid bottlenecks. Those who have lived in Subang Jaya since the 1990s would know that the area was always choked with traffic to the highway. Hence, this will create a longer route and avoid backlogs. As with being dangerous, the drivers now are the people who are a little nuts. What I do find perplexing is the possibility of Subang SOHO being allowed to open an entry/exit there. That is recent. That should NOT BE ALLOWED.

pywong
15-04-2008, 05:02 PM
I know why. That was constructed to ensure people have to take a longer route down and avoid bottlenecks. Those who have lived in Subang Jaya since the 1990s would know that the area was always choked with traffic to the highway. Hence, this will create a longer route and avoid backlogs. As with being dangerous, the drivers now are the people who are a little nuts. What I do find perplexing is the possibility of Subang SOHO being allowed to open an entry/exit there. That is recent. That should NOT BE ALLOWED.
Sarawakian,

I am referring to the entry/exit, not the long straight stretch. That is a separate issue

tupai
15-04-2008, 05:49 PM
methink for whatever the reason may be...it is a good slow-down obstacle for those who think they are shoemaker-wannabe, driving formula car into a tight loop....

Flooring the pedal and not slowing down will definitely give these tincan speedster a shock...hahahahahah..i luvvv it!


Yang Amat Bahagia latotupai

pywong
15-04-2008, 06:13 PM
I have reported to MPSJ. Let's see what they have to say.

sarawakian
16-04-2008, 05:38 PM
Sarawakian,

I am referring to the entry/exit, not the long straight stretch. That is a separate issue

Oops...ok then...with the exit and entry, yup...this is definitley a terrible hazard, even if temporary....I heard the project is by the Etiara/TiaraVille group....they seem to be express building nowadays. :mad:

pywong
16-04-2008, 06:12 PM
Oops...ok then...with the exit and entry, yup...this is definitley a terrible hazard, even if temporary....I heard the project is by the Etiara/TiaraVille group....they seem to be express building nowadays. :mad:
MPSK Syed called me. Said he was in charge of roads. Initially, he tried to say that the paver blocks were to make the road surface rougher and safer for travelling. I pointed out most paver blocks were laid in front of projects to allow for heavy traffic to enter and exit. It seems to me that something is coming up there. How come he doesn't know?

He quickly responded by saying that my comment relates to project approval. So he will refer me to that section.

Developer: Someone mentioned Titijaya for the Soho SS 19. I could not quite figure out where there is vacant land in SS 19 for development.

Does anyone know about any public hearing about that project?

We seem to have all these projects popping up out of the blue without due notice. Or maybe I am sleeping because I don't read mainstream papers.

AllUrban
17-04-2008, 09:32 AM
MPSK Syed called me. Said he was in charge of roads. Initially, he tried to say that the paver blocks were to make the road surface rougher and safer for travelling. I pointed out most paver blocks were laid in front of projects to allow for heavy traffic to enter and exit. It seems to me that something is coming up there. How come he doesn't know?

He quickly responded by saying that my comment relates to project approval. So he will refer me to that section.

Developer: Someone mentioned Titijaya for the Soho SS 19. I could not quite figure out where there is vacant land in SS 19 for development.

Does anyone know about any public hearing about that project?

We seem to have all these projects popping up out of the blue without due notice. Or maybe I am sleeping because I don't read mainstream papers.Pywong

Park your car in SS19 near the school and get out and walk over and check out the site. You will see that there is a lot of open space in the "no mans land" between SS19 and the area south of the Batu Tiga Toll Plaza.

It may be that these projects get their own access road off the highway, since it would be a simple matter of extending the road from the new Shell station (just off the Federal Highway) into SS19, past the project.

The cars would probably have to use the Kemajuan "racetrack" to access the Federal Highway KL bound...

Which is too bad for 2 reasons...first, it puts more traffic on that road...and 2nd, it makes it less possible for us to use that "racetrack" for the Subang Jaya leg of the Mat Rempit Racing Leagues...which means no sponsorship from KJ.

But seriously, park your car and take a look...you will be quite surprised.

Cheers, m

pywong
03-05-2008, 05:46 PM
No reply from MPSJ to my email yet. I sent them a reminder last night.

This afternoon, while driving through, it is clear that the SS 19 project is going to have an entry point right in the middle of the hair-pin bend. This is so ridiculous.

sarawakian
03-05-2008, 06:45 PM
The hairpin area if seen by the SOHO plan has some reference that entry will be there. If true, this will be a traffic disaster and a horrible accident area.

I wonder if this has been really reviewed before too late.

pywong
03-05-2008, 07:19 PM
The hairpin area if seen by the SOHO plan has some reference that entry will be there. If true, this will be a traffic disaster and a horrible accident area.

I wonder if this has been really reviewed before too late.
shall we get together to raise an objection on this?

ceo684
04-05-2008, 02:10 AM
methink for whatever the reason may be...it is a good slow-down obstacle for those who think they are shoemaker-wannabe, driving formula car into a tight loop....

Flooring the pedal and not slowing down will definitely give these tincan speedster a shock...hahahahahah..i luvvv it!


Yang Amat Bahagia latotupai

I find it rather dangerous to have paver blocks right at the turning point of a curve (not on the straight sections).. in case of an accident (let's say a motorbike skidded in front of you and your car came stock standard with hard suspension).. I wonder whether there is enough traction left between bouncing and cornering to actually stop in time. Not every car runs on the high end Pirelli P Zero Nero Rosso stuff.

Besides, what is more dangerous at the corner is people who waver in and out of their lanes. I nearly got myself clipped on the rear (risk of a spinout) no thanks to a van driver who buang into my lane. Speed in that corner is OK as long as it is under control.

Anyway that SS19 road is a main road, there is nobody crossing it (save for some geezers crossing the road at the driving range). No need to spoil vehicles suspension (even in the UK they are doing away with speedbumps as it causes unnecessarily suspension wear and replacing with speed camera in residential areas; read before on BBC) with badly made ramps to the paver blocks - like the one in front of the land office/toyota showroom SS16 - only the slow lane is reasonably smooth). I say that the blocks at the apex of the SS19 curve is an unnecessary risk to the general public. No one expects to find a massive bump at the corner without sufficient noticeboards.

And when we're on this, did anyone notice that the left curve (from SS16/golf driving range side) has some missing parts in the barriers which seem to be part of an entry for some project? Is it illegal?

pywong
04-05-2008, 07:34 AM
1. I find it rather dangerous to have paver blocks right at the turning point of a curve (not on the straight sections).

2. Besides, what is more dangerous at the corner is people who waver in and out of their lanes.

3. spoil vehicles suspension (even in the UK they are doing away with speedbumps as it causes unnecessarily suspension wear and replacing with speed camera in residential areas; read before on BBC)

4. I say that the blocks at the apex of the SS19 curve is an unnecessary risk to the general public. No one expects to find a massive bump at the corner without sufficient noticeboards.

5. missing parts in the barriers which seem to be part of an entry for some project? Is it illegal?
ceo684,
1. paver blocks at corner dangerous: Agreed.
2. Weawing in & out dangerous: Agreed
3. Spoil vehicle suspension: Our drivers have bad driving habits bcoz of kopi-O license & option to settle "instantly" with the cops. Cannot depend on civic consciousness unlike UK.

In South Africa, they have "bubbles" which consist of 10 or more rows of 25mm high projections(150mm x 150mm square) installed at dangerous stretches to induce the driver to slow down. If he drives too fast, the car will jar quite strongly creating discomfort to the driver. Sleepy drivers wake up instantly. This is quite effective.

Even though South Africa has a more serious security problem compared to us, their drivers are quite law-abiding and courteous.

4. Notices: I think MPSJ can put notices.

5. Missing guardrails: That is for the entry/exit of construction to SS 19 SOHO (I think that's the name of the project)

Thinking further ahead, what happens if that is the permanent ingress/egress for SS 19 SOHO. That would be terrible.

AllUrban
05-05-2008, 10:13 AM
how about another project...a direct flyover link from the end of the hairpin turn down to the Federal Highway?

It would take some of the pressure off of Jalan Tujuan/KFC interchange as well as provide another route for traffic to enter Subang...combine it with an interchange to KESAS and traffic can bypass Kewajipan.

Cheers, m

pywong
05-05-2008, 01:22 PM
how about another project...a direct flyover link from the end of the hairpin turn down to the Federal Highway?

It would take some of the pressure off of Jalan Tujuan/KFC interchange as well as provide another route for traffic to enter Subang...combine it with an interchange to KESAS and traffic can bypass Kewajipan.

Cheers, m
Hmmm. Interesting thought. Good idea.

The only snag is, has MPSJ made provision for such expenditures and where are they going to get the money from. Technically, they should charge the project cost to any development that is coming up in that area. Eg the development at SS 16 besides the railway line is scary. How many cars are going to be generated by those buildings. The traffic load on the existing roads is going to create another series of jams. If those roads have to be upgraded, logically the extra cost has to be borne by those new projects.

AllUrban
05-05-2008, 03:49 PM
Hmmm. Interesting thought. Good idea.

The only snag is, has MPSJ made provision for such expenditures and where are they going to get the money from. Technically, they should charge the project cost to any development that is coming up in that area. Eg the development at SS 16 besides the railway line is scary. How many cars are going to be generated by those buildings. The traffic load on the existing roads is going to create another series of jams. If those roads have to be upgraded, logically the extra cost has to be borne by those new projects.agreed, there will probably be some problems. I think that MPSJ has only really started to look at increasing their development charges and sharing the costs for public amenities.

I will include the proposed flyover in the transport plan.

Ironically, it is quite interesting that this road would have probably been a good choice as a "2nd link" from SJ to the Federal Highway...rather than the one that is currently under construction.

Cheers, m

pywong
05-05-2008, 04:45 PM
Ironically, ...probably been a good choice as a "2nd link" from SJ to the Federal Highway...rather than the one that is currently under construction.
m, once you recognize that the purpose of a project is not to solve a problem (which is really a secondary issue), then there is no irony at all. It is good to allow a problem to fester as it will generate more solutions, which leads to more ..... Welcome to Bolehland. :D

pywong
13-05-2008, 08:55 PM
I received a response from MPSJ dated 6 May 2008 and received on 12 May 2008.

Tuan/Puan,

MAKLUMAN ADUAN TELAH DITUTUP

Salam sejahtera dan dengan segala hormatnya merujuk kepada perkara di atas.

Dimaklumkan bahawa aduan tuan/puan yang bersiri ******** telah ditutup pada 06-05-2008. Berikut merupakan ulasan mengenai aduan tuan/puan:

ULASAN ADUAN:

Pihak MPSJ telah membenarkan pemaju yang terlibat untuk membuka laluan keluar masuk tersebut. Walaubagaimanapun, pihak pemaju disyaratkan supaya menambah satu lagi lane iaitu di bahagian kanan serahan lane pertama. Pembinaan interlocking diluluan keluar masuk adalah bertujuan supaya kenderaan memperlahankan hadlaju apabila melalui jalan tersebut dan sekaligus mengelakkan kemalangan jalanraya.

Sekian, terima kasih.

PENGOLONG PENGARAH (PERHUBUNGAN AWAM)
b.p. YDP MPSJ

Sekiranya terdapat sebarang kemusykilan sila hubungi Unit Aduan MPSJ di talian 03-5637 6545, 8026 4474

Anyone care to translate?

sarawakian
14-05-2008, 12:15 AM
PY, here is what it says:

COMPLAINT NOTICE CLOSED

Greetings

This is to inform that your complaint/issue raised with the serial no **** has been closed on 6 May 2008. These are our summaries with regards to the complaint:

MPSJ has allowed the developer to create the entry/exit in concern. However, the developer was given this on condition that the devleloper creates another lane to the right of of the first given lane. The interlocking blocks are done to slow down traffic and to prevent accidents.

Thank you.


Hope the above helps.

:D

I received a response from MPSJ dated 6 May 2008 and received on 12 May 2008.

Tuan/Puan,

MAKLUMAN ADUAN TELAH DITUTUP

Salam sejahtera dan dengan segala hormatnya merujuk kepada perkara di atas.

Dimaklumkan bahawa aduan tuan/puan yang bersiri ******** telah ditutup pada 06-05-2008. Berikut merupakan ulasan mengenai aduan tuan/puan:

ULASAN ADUAN:

Pihak MPSJ telah membenarkan pemaju yang terlibat untuk membuka laluan keluar masuk tersebut. Walaubagaimanapun, pihak pemaju disyaratkan supaya menambah satu lagi lane iaitu di bahagian kanan serahan lane pertama. Pembinaan interlocking diluluan keluar masuk adalah bertujuan supaya kenderaan memperlahankan hadlaju apabila melalui jalan tersebut dan sekaligus mengelakkan kemalangan jalanraya.

Sekian, terima kasih.

PENGOLONG PENGARAH (PERHUBUNGAN AWAM)
b.p. YDP MPSJ

Sekiranya terdapat sebarang kemusykilan sila hubungi Unit Aduan MPSJ di talian 03-5637 6545, 8026 4474

Anyone care to translate?

pywong
14-05-2008, 03:13 AM
PY, here is what it says:

COMPLAINT NOTICE CLOSED

Greetings

This is to inform that your complaint/issue raised with the serial no **** has been closed on 6 May 2008. These are our summaries with regards to the complaint:

MPSJ has allowed the developer to create the entry/exit in concern. However, the developer was given this on condition that the devleloper creates another lane to the right of of the first given lane. The interlocking blocks are done to slow down traffic and to prevent accidents.
Thanks, Sarawakian. Appreciate it.

I wonder what will happen if an accident occurs there? Will MPSJ be responsible? It does not make engineering sense to approve an entry/exit at such a location. Basically, we are just asking for trouble.

Will we end up with the entry/exit being a permanent feature?

I can't wait for the new batch of councillors to come in.