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silver_bird
09-04-2008, 10:53 AM
A soldier was killed and 29 other passengers were injured when an express bus plunged into a ravine along the North-South Expressway near here early yesterday.

# The passenger said the bus, which was going fast, started to sway suddenly seconds before the accident.

# The 23 yrs old bus driver had just obtained his commercial driving licence several months ago

# The Bus has 52 outstanding traffic summonses

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/4/9/nation/20888896&sec=nation

More and more passengers will die due to inefficiency & negligence of our Govt.
How can the Transport Ministry, JPJ & Police Dept so comfortably issue 52 summonses without taking drastic acton against the bus company !!!

patrick
09-04-2008, 11:11 AM
This is real sickening. Same problem repeating. As though the authority is helpess.....or is it hopeless??? Grrrhhhh...!!!! How many more lives before they take serious action???

GreyShadow
09-04-2008, 11:16 AM
again, in the next few days we'll see lots and lots of NATO on news
then things will quiet down for a while, until some poor souls are killed again in another express bus accident, then those NATOs will come out yapping again.

At the end, still the same old thing again and again. HOPELESS!

AllUrban
09-04-2008, 11:39 AM
time for the CVLB to keluar

Cheers, m

gary yap
09-04-2008, 11:41 AM
Fatigue kills. Now it's safer to fly than land trasport.

sarawakian
09-04-2008, 03:04 PM
Again...you know which bus? Konsortium...can see in the newspaper..pic.

Aiseh..when will we learn...up to gomen again

joker2107
09-04-2008, 04:06 PM
again, again and again.

yes, cyber prosecutors.

based on pure heresay and hardly any facts the condemnation has begun. did any forumer go to site to see if the bus hit an oil slick? did anybody clarify of a tyre blew up? was there any cow crossing the highway? all negative? most probably, but then again, if it had been you who were the driver, would any of these answers been diffrent?

i am not siding any party, but i often ask myself - how many times do i not exceed the legal speed limit? if i do an honest comparison of the time i stay on the side of written law against the times when i should have had been summoned, i have got to admit an embarrasing flattery.

how many times have you driven through a red light because the coast is clear (whatever the meaning)=

each time cyber prosecution rears its ugly head, i thank my almighty allah for the opportunity for me to participate in the discussions.

sarawakian
09-04-2008, 04:21 PM
Hmmm...also:

can someone clarify if:

a. the driver was given off days? was he sleepy?

b. was the driver sleepy due to long hours?

c. did PLUS and PROPEL check the roads?

d. did the company check the tyres before as with the brakes?

e. was the bus overloaded?

f. was the bus checked frequently

g. why always the same bus company?

h. what happened to black box and speed limitors?

i. was the highway checked for animals and if it was caused by some nut as well on the highways?

j. is it not the problem with us and what we choose to do?

i is it not that we cannot help but to blame jpj and commercial vehicles authority?

j. at 23 with so many lives....even a plane pilot goes through a simulation and test.

k. why cannot we emulate bus drivers as overseas where there is good recognition for professional bus drivers and not just get anyone to drive a commercial vehicle let alone a private vehicle..

The fact is...an accident happens too frequently with the same company and also fatal. THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG. Need we wait again to see if there are more and then analyze, and analyze somemore while people are killed just because they support and have to use public transport?


ah...more questions perhaps?

:D

Sentinel
09-04-2008, 05:45 PM
Root Cause :

KO R U P S I ! R A S U A H !

silver_bird
10-04-2008, 07:33 AM
Buses Of One Company Involved In Many Road Crashes

Entrepreneur and Cooperatives Development Minister Datuk Noh Omar said, "the licence of the bus company involved in the fatal crash at the Seremban toll plaza Tuesday has yet to be suspended despite having a poor safety record. The Commercial Vehicle Licensing Board (CVLB) had yet to investigate three accidents involving the company as its representatives did not attend the inquiries or they were postponed".

The company involved which operates 227 express buses, had collected 52 traffic summonses. The bus involved in Tuesday's crash had 18 summonses and two warrants of arrest. The 18 summonses and warrants of arrest were issued to several drivers.

# Under the CVLB Act 1987, the Ministry can only suspend the operating licence after an investigation has been conducted. To overcome this, CVLB would be meeting in a fortnight to empower the minister to temporarily suspend the licence of public transport companies involved in crashes which caused death and injury until the investigation was completed

# The Ministry is empowered to suspend the licence of public transport companies having lots of traffic summonses and that warrants of arrest would be issued to the drivers

The Minister added, "What is the benefit of suspending the bus licence after the bus is all smashed up and people have been killed,"

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=325755

The above clarification clearly reveal the Commercial Vehicle Licensing Board (CVLB) is irresponsible, inefficient and smack of public safety. CVLB's Board of Directors should resign.

Gosh, why did the Minister watered the investigation just because the bus was smashed up and people died ? What sort of comment is this !!!

sarawakian
10-04-2008, 09:24 AM
I am rather sick at this. I think that now taht companies can continulally kill or injure as many as possible until an inquiry is done etc etc...waht is this law? And why is this allowed to happen? I seriously think the bus and its board of directors must answer this. Who are they anyways? :rolleyes:

racheljansz
10-04-2008, 09:53 AM
...waht is this law? And why is this allowed to happen? The question is what law!
Do you not know bolehland's law?
After that Lingam case and you still wondering what is this law?
After the ACA gift of RM3000, and you still ask why is this allowed to happen?
The police?
Protecting and serving the rakyat or UMNOputra? KUALA LUMPUR: Matters concerning the police should not be politicised, especially by opposition parties, Home Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar said yesterday.

"Issues regarding their work, the crime index and rising crime rate should not be sensationalised by politicians," he said during Home Minister Syed Hamid's first official visit to the Federal Police headquarters in Bukit Aman. (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/National/2201101/Article/index_html)

CVLB!!??
Check this thread
http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=22376

sarawakian
10-04-2008, 10:29 AM
Who are the main people of the bus company? :rolleyes:

gary yap
10-04-2008, 10:37 AM
Last year there was a spate of bus accidents, fatal ones mostly. There could be other factors but look at the way the bus are driven? You drive at 110km/hr and they overtook you before you can bat an eyelid.

sarawakian
10-04-2008, 10:55 AM
Actually, I think in order to stem this issue, perahps the following could be done:

a. Vehicle roadworthy checks are done every time before service ie start work
b. Quarterly garage service and checks hence, bus would be decommissioned for a day or two
c. All buses will have a black box
d. All buses must have a cctv camera connected to the box and also wifi or GPS as well connected for remote checks
e. All buses must have speed limitors. The bus cannot possibly go over 100km an hour on highways or maybe even 90km an hour. Fix the engine to idiot proof.
f. All drivers must attent and pass simulations, on the road probation as co driver for 6 months with wheel piloting of each trip a maximum of 3 hours per trip. Maybe they must also log a certain number of hours.
g Reevaluate them and then also ensure they are physically free of drugs, smoking and alcohol or even coffee.
h. Those who tend to get sleepy easily due to monotony as well as similar events cannot pass.
i. Drivers must change if it is for a time of over 3 hours. Hence, every 3 hours, 1 change irregardless of distance.

What do everyone think? :D

AllUrban
10-04-2008, 11:26 AM
I have compiled a report that shows the current structure for public transportation (as far as I can determine it) and a new structure that would allow better services and more public feedback.

See the attached file "Organization of Urban Transportation in Malaysia" which should actually be called "(Dis)organization of Urban Transportation in Malaysia"

Cheers, m

sarawakian
10-04-2008, 11:36 AM
Interesting, but we really need the micro issues now to be arrested. No point looking at org structures as these would again craete analysis to paralysis syndrome. We have to move somewhere and at layman's ters, we need to make things simpler.

racheljansz
10-04-2008, 12:15 PM
joker2107,
I think you are right there must be real investigation, LOOK, Before We Leap.
Unfortunately, in many instance, this EXPRESS BUS accident has become our CULTURE!?
Yes you may say

"pure heresay and hardly any facts the condemnation has begun. did any forumer go to site to see if the bus hit an oil slick? did anybody clarify of a tyre blew up? was there any cow crossing the highway? all negative? most probably, but then again, if it had been you who were the driver, would any of these answers been diffrent?"
Tell that to the relatives of the dead.
Tell that to the injured.
in view of ...

Datuk Noh Omar said, "the licence of the bus company involved in the fatal crash at the Seremban toll plaza Tuesday has yet to be suspended despite having a poor safety record. The Commercial Vehicle Licensing Board (CVLB) had yet to investigate three accidents involving the company as its representatives did not attend the inquiries or they were postponed".
The company involved which operates 227 express buses, had collected 52 traffic summonses. The bus involved in Tuesday's crash had 18 summonses and two warrants of arrest. The 18 summonses and warrants of arrest were issued to several drivers.If this is not a bad habit then you tell me what this is?
Safety & regulations is not their concern?
Did you investigate as to why the double standards,
the drivers and bus conditions when it comes to Buses that plies the M'sia-S'pore routes?
What happen to the drug testing programs?

AllUrban
10-04-2008, 02:27 PM
Interesting, but we really need the micro issues now to be arrested. No point looking at org structures as these would again craete analysis to paralysis syndrome. We have to move somewhere and at layman's ters, we need to make things simpler.Sarawakian,

I am doing my best to mobilize as many people to take care of issues on the macro, micro, and middle level. I've done the analysis and I am ready to take care of the paralysis as well.

You are welcome to contribute your feedback at the micro level...just send it to transportkini@gmail.com or the local papers or councillors or ADUN.

I know that the councillors will be happy to get good feedback for local issues as well. I am confident that the new government is listening and ready to make changes.

Cheers, m

sarawakian
10-04-2008, 02:30 PM
hahahahahaha...ok but also check out www.mpsj.gov.my for how they are set up as well

AllUrban
10-04-2008, 03:19 PM
Wow, I dont think I have the space for all of these departments that are related to public transportation :)

Jab. Perancangan Bandar - Town Planning Department
Jab. Pembangunan Kemasyarakatan - Community Development Department
Jab. Bangunan - Development Department
Jab. Kejuruteraan - Engineering Department (which would deal with local traffic planning...

wow...not gonna be easy to handle the micro level either :)

Cheers, m

masmot
10-04-2008, 04:38 PM
Konsortium Bas Eksress Semenanjung might consider to change its name Crematorium Bas Ekspress Semenanjung. They have been in accidents pretty constantly, once a month since December 07.

firefox
10-04-2008, 04:42 PM
Konsortium Bas Eksress Semenanjung might consider to change its name Crematorium Bas Ekspress Semenanjung. They have been in accidents pretty constantly, once a month since December 07.

Ha ha thats a good one!

and btw thats why many passengers prefer the slow trains of KTM.

racheljansz
10-04-2008, 05:07 PM
Ha ha thats a good one!

and btw thats why many passengers prefer the slow trains of KTM.guess what?
Check this out
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/Frontpage/20080410153741/Article/index_html

firefox
10-04-2008, 05:09 PM
guess what?
Check this out
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/Frontpage/20080410153741/Article/index_html

So whats your suggestion any ideas?

racheljansz
10-04-2008, 05:23 PM
So whats your suggestion any ideas?Change the government?:D

racheljansz
10-04-2008, 06:15 PM
This is the fourth serious accident involving the same bus company and serious action will be recommended against it at the next hearing, until the management can address the issue of road safety, Road Safety Department director-general Datuk Suret Singh told Bernama, here today. (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/NewsBreak/20080410174457/Article/index_html)
Serious action is putting the owners in jail for 7 days for their own safety pending investigation.
PS
So far they contribute to lost of 6 lives!

silver_bird
10-04-2008, 08:20 PM
Based on the write-up, Road Safety Department director-general Datuk Suret Singh offers lip service only and lack enforcement & action against the bus company. He should also take responsibility for the Seremban accidents and consider stepping down..

silver_bird
10-04-2008, 11:40 PM
Another accident - Express bus rammed into a lorry

Three passengers were injured when an express bus rammed into a lorry at Km94.8 of the East-Coast Highway 3.30am today.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/NewsBreak/20080410185259/Article/index_html

USJ27Resident
11-04-2008, 12:06 AM
Seems the only time LAWS or changes are put into effect, is when some VIP gets killed or injured on our roads or highways...
Examples
I remember this MCA fella (years ago) that got skewered with iron rods sticking out from the back of a lorry on the NSE, he was speeding.... the lorry driver was sent to jail for carrying the iron rods in a dangerous manner... then CVLB & JPJ enforced ALL lorries to fit some retaining barrier for long loads...

Recently the MCA MP Chew Mei Fun crashed her car on a drive to the East Coast, somewhere in December.... guess what was the LPT concessionaires were doing after the crash.... they WERE repairing/patching roads in the middle of the monsoon season.... how I know... I stopped on a R&R on the 27th Dec and the workers TOLD me that they were ordered to fix the roads... in the middle of the monsoon rains....

So - until some VIP gets killed in an EXPRESS BUS accident that he 'had to' catch... we will still hear this CVLB nonsense everytime some poor common bloke gets killed on a trip.... :rolleyes:

joker2107
11-04-2008, 01:52 AM
Based on the write-up, Road Safety Department director-general Datuk Suret Singh offers lip service only and lack enforcement & action against the bus company. He should also take responsibility for the Seremban accidents and consider stepping down..
i beg to differ. positions like the one held by suret singh are political/government appointments. they are servants subservient to the political masters and must speak only in politically correct language. thus public safety is made a mathematical relation to the pm's dept, min of transport, and semi-value's office. its a whole lot of parroting and lacking in depth and substance. as an example, speeding is always deemed the most dangerous antic on the road. as i have repeated so often, speeding should be spoken relative to the speed limit because driving at 60kph in a 50km zone means exceeding speed limit by 20%. to exceed speed limit by 20% on the nse, you need to be doing 132kph. so why are speed traps set to catch you zooming by at 121kph while doing 80 in a 50kph zone is safe? and motorcyclists are banned from highways like smart tunnel and akleh because they are too narrow - no where more narrow or congested than sg besi and ampang road. and traffic operations are held primarily on highways because they are wider and safer than the more accident prone federal trunk roads which are lined with kampungs and wild domenstic animals. not to forget, the three no-discount traffic summonses are for speeding (as usual), beating the red light, and driving in the emergency lane - because they don't know how to curtail really dangerous behaviours like mat-rempiting, overtaking at blind corners (i choose not to include double lines because too many of them see double too often), heavy vehicles overtaking on uphill stretches, road hogging, etc. misworded signboards, and qualiy signboards burried among trees and shrubs are negative elements because it relects on the authorties. the list goes on...

allurban, i'm glad you have some reports to submit - the paper i am putting up has integrated details, is very complex and extensive and hopefully comprehensive that we often end up chasing our own tails.

AllUrban
11-04-2008, 11:29 AM
Another accident - Express bus rammed into a lorryI think that one thing we can all do is stop using the term "accident" and instead use the term "crash"

Whenever we use "accident" we are excusing someone from taking responsibility.

The reality is that there are no accidents
There are only crashes, caused by human error/failings or unwise choices (reckless/careless behaviour).

Once we (as in, each of us) starts to accept this reality, there will a change in our sense of responsibility and the number of crashes on Malaysian roads and highways (and other crashes of other modes of transport) would be reduced.


allurban, i'm glad you have some reports to submit - the paper i am putting up has integrated details, is very complex and extensive and hopefully comprehensive that we often end up chasing our own tails.Thanks Joker2107. If you like, please send your report to transportkini@gmail.com and I will try to share it with as many people as are interested.

Cheers, m

ps. check out this article (http://www.malaysiakini.com/opinions/81162)

silver_bird
16-04-2008, 05:33 PM
Bus Plunges Into Ravine, Killing Thai Girl

When : Wednesday, April 15, 2008 @ 12.58 am
Where : Kuala Terengganu-Kota Baharu road
Casualties : 1 dead, 22 passengers (15 of them Thai nationals) injured

Police initial investigation revealed the bus, belonging to Mekar Ekspres Sdn Bhd, was speeding.

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=327115

Another innocent victim died due to the driver's speeding !!!

sarawakian
16-04-2008, 05:35 PM
Let us keep uptodate with this. I think with the numerous reports, we should then do our own hall of shame for such bus companies.

AllUrban
17-04-2008, 09:26 AM
Let us keep uptodate with this. I think with the numerous reports, we should then do our own hall of shame for such bus companies.it would also be good to update that blog, "Bus Crash No More" as well.

We need citizens to keep recording these incidents so that we are watching the government.

My personal file of letters and complaints about public transport goes back 5 years...and Ive only been in Malaysia for 3...

Cheers, m