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pucman
26-03-2008, 09:06 AM
My neighbour is doing a major renovation for several months without my permission.

Is it true that they need only one approval from one neighbour only and not both neighbours in MPSJ ?

Can they forge my details to MPSJ ?

Jey
26-03-2008, 09:12 AM
They will need neighbour's approval from both sides... its clearly stated on the form.

pucman
26-03-2008, 09:23 AM
They will need neighbour's approval from both sides... its clearly stated on the form.

So they lied to me and forged my details to MPSJ ?

What should I do and what is their penalty ?

Because the renovation is already half way .

Jey
26-03-2008, 09:29 AM
Well, if you wanted to get back at them, simplest thing to do is to inform MPSJ. MPSJ will be only too happy to pay them a visit in situations like this. :D

I guess they will only be allowed to continue after getting your approval. :)

coleslaw
26-03-2008, 09:42 AM
My neighbour is doing a major renovation for several months without my permission.

Is it true that they need only one approval from one neighbour only and not both neighbours in MPSJ ?

Can they forge my details to MPSJ ?
is this what's it's all about? you are upset cos they did not get your permission to renovate?

kkearthling
26-03-2008, 09:43 AM
(1) talk to your family members including the maid if you hv one, who lives in the same hse as you, somebody could have signed the paper without your knowledge, to rule out this possibility
(2) if nobody has signed anything...perhaps your naughty neighbour cld have signed it off themselves, another possibility.
(3) as you still live there, for many years to come?....it is best to talk (not confront...) to your naughty neighbour...
because you are a gentleman (i pressume you are a male...)...
if it was an oversight, perhaps you can expect an apology...and whatnot...lunch, dinner? :D
(4) going to MPSJ is the last resort...
at the end of the day, you do want the reno to be completed asap...as it is already halfway done...

there is a saying (I think Chinese proverb),
if somebody angered you, you don't get angry, if you are angry, you have been tricked...
in this case... it will only get worst...
and...
If you are patient in one moment of anger, you will escape a hundred days of sorrow

mlkok
26-03-2008, 09:55 AM
is this what's it's all about? you are upset cos they did not get your permission to renovate?

You do have to understand that it can be very stressful when the renovation has been going on for several months.

I have a neighbor across the road that has been renovating for more than 2 months now. Looks like he keeps having whatever he doesn't like broken and then rebuilt. It's bad when I work till like 3am and they start the demolition befire it's even 8am.

coleslaw
26-03-2008, 10:10 AM
i do understand renovations can be stressful. i've been subjected to that and likewise, i've also subjected my neighbours to the same.
unless we live in bungalows, the inconvenience is unavoidable at times. we'll always have at least a neighbour sharing a common wall. a bit of tolerance goes a long way.

chewie
26-03-2008, 10:21 AM
At times, we have to tolerate with our neighbours. To me, I always remember this, never make enemy with your neighbours as they are the first person that will help you incase of emergency.

Talk to the owner. Have a friendly chat. Ask them why take so long. Maybe there is a reason behind it that you would not know. I believe they also will feel bad that their renovation takes so long and disturb the neighbours.

USJ27Resident
26-03-2008, 12:08 PM
At times, we have to tolerate with our neighbours. To me, I always remember this, never make enemy with your neighbours as they are the first person that will help you incase of emergency.

Talk to the owner. Have a friendly chat. Ask them why take so long. Maybe there is a reason behind it that you would not know. I believe they also will feel bad that their renovation takes so long and disturb the neighbours.

Main Entry: tol∑er∑ate
Pronunciation: \ˈtš-lə-ˌrāt\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): tol∑er∑at∑ed; tol∑er∑at∑ing
Etymology: Latin toleratus, past participle of tolerare to endure, put up with; akin to Old English tholian to bear, Latin tollere to lift up, latus carried (suppletive past participle of ferre), Greek tlēnai to bear

* tolerate lorrr... :rolleyes: or go to MPSJ and blow the whistle !!

Nahhhhh! How to talk when they are so LCLY ??

Jey
26-03-2008, 02:05 PM
Yes, tolerance should be the preferred choice. After all, you'd be living side by side for a long time to come. Unless your moving out for good in the near future, a give and take policy is the best.

besitai2007
26-03-2008, 03:11 PM
I didn't know that you need your neighbours' approval. My neighbours on either side of my house built a 5 ft wall each and effectly enclosed my property with these walls. I feel hemmed in by these walls and I don't approve of them. I know for a fact they didn't ask me for approval. How come they can do it? :confused:

pucman
26-03-2008, 09:16 PM
I didn't know that you need your neighbours' approval. My neighbours on either side of my house built a 5 ft wall each and effectly enclosed my property with these walls. I feel hemmed in by these walls and I don't approve of them. I know for a fact they didn't ask me for approval. How come they can do it? :confused:

Minor renovation do not need permit. Only major renovation. I think fence is considered minor.

jadewhite
26-03-2008, 11:30 PM
What would be the in scope of major? Timing play a part to?

pcyeoh
26-03-2008, 11:57 PM
Minor renovation do not need permit. Only major renovation. I think fence is considered minor.
This is the first time I heard that you need your neighbour's approval before you can go ahead with your renovation. I think this is preposterous. Why should they call the shots.? If your renovation plan meets the compliances stated down by the local authority, I see no reason why you should ask your neighbour for his approval. If what is said here is true, how come I can see renovation works done where some people can get away with their crimes. If you look at the MPSJ Draft Local Plan, it is spelt our very clearly what you can do and what you cannot do when you want to renovate your house.

Coming to the wall issue, it is not a minor renovation. If it exceeds a certain height, whether the wall is built in a day or in a month, it will be torn down if the neighbour makes a complaint. If it is not demolished, then it becomes a firewall - sparks will eventually fly when the aggrieved party gets 'too lan' and one day hits the wall.

pucman
27-03-2008, 12:32 AM
This is the first time I heard that you need your neighbour's approval before you can go ahead with your renovation. I think this is preposterous. Why should they call the shots.? .

Major renovation affect the neighbour in terms of dust, noise and sometimes the shared property is damaged.

Why can't the neighbour have any say if it affects the neigbour's area ?

If you do internal renovation like changing tiles, then it is ok but if you extend the kitchen, build another storey up, it will definitely affect the other house.

In fact, my house was flooded one day when the other party forgot to design the drainage system during construction. :eek:

Furthermore, the spillover from their cement to my rooftop and they using my backyard to dump their bricks, sand etc will affect the cleanliness of my area.

Note: they don't clean up properly.

avusblue
01-04-2008, 04:50 PM
Minor renovation do not need permit. Only major renovation. I think fence is considered minor.

Correction: A new brick fence would require MPSJ approval. Replacement of chain link doesn't. Anytime you tear down a wall, need approval, and the list goes on.

FYI, its very easy to bypass the neighbour approval requirement. All the house owner has to do is write a letter stating that they have tried contacting their neighbour numerous times, but have not been successful. Any MPSJ approved drafter would have a draft copy of this letter for their client. Then they just have to attach this to their plan approval request.

However, most of the time, you'll find that people in Subang/USJ renovate their houses without any approval from MPSJ. As a neighbour, u can just go to MPSJ and lodge a complaint. It all depends on the relationship with your neighbour. For me, I would talk to them first to rectify any gripes you have, or if their proposed renovation really screws up your house and surrounding. And if they ignore, then go to MPSJ lor ...

pucman
03-05-2008, 02:00 PM
My neighbour quarrelled with me regarding the drilling noise they make.

I asked them not to make noise only on saturday and they ignore me.

This noise has been ongoing for 3 months already.

He said he is not afraid I complain to MPSJ. He said that he only need one neighbour to get approval but not two neighbours.

Any more advice from forummers here ?

But from the replies here, he need TWO approvals.

whatelselah
07-05-2008, 01:01 AM
My neighbour quarrelled with me regarding the drilling noise they make.

I asked them not to make noise only on saturday and they ignore me.

This noise has been ongoing for 3 months already.

He said he is not afraid I complain to MPSJ. He said that he only need one neighbour to get approval but not two neighbours.

Any more advice from forummers here ?

But from the replies here, he need TWO approvals.

Well, try to tolerate! What if one day you have decided to renovate your house? You will also affect your neighbour with all kind of noises! If you are so sure that you will not renovate wherever you live, by all means, talk to your neighbour how long it would take and etc.....