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pywong
24-03-2008, 08:12 AM
For the past 15 years, it has been obvious to the residents that our roads cannot cope with the traffic. We suffer jams in the morning as we leave Subang Jaya for Klang, PJ or KL to work. We suffer jams in the evening as we stream home from our work place.

Many bridges and flyovers have been built. Despite that, there has not been a significant improvement, certainly not in relation to the money we have spent.

And yet, we are approving more new projects that can only add more cars in Subang Jaya, that can only aggravate the traffic congestion. Why are we doing this? Isn't it obvious to MPSJ that our roads are choked? Is it so important that we must create more revenue at the expense of the quality of life of the residents?

I hope that the new MPSJ administration can look into this and to consider my proposal:

No more new development projects until our existing traffic problems are solved!

pywong

pucman
24-03-2008, 10:09 AM
The developers keep on building new high rise apartments/condos that contribute significantly to the jam.

That said, Which part of PJ, KL, Subang Jaya, Puchong is not jam ?

sarawakian
24-03-2008, 10:10 AM
Yes Subang Jaya Is Overdeveloped.

terisunny
24-03-2008, 10:17 AM
I'm afraid to think how the whole township will look like after all the condos/apartments projects are finished :mad: There's 4 MAJOR projects just around Subang Parade area!!!!!!!!! Whatever highway and byways also won't be able to cope by then!

Longfellow
24-03-2008, 10:22 AM
Any input?

sarawakian
24-03-2008, 10:28 AM
Any input?


YES because now, the area is choked with construction with no buffers within or a small park.

Taipan Business centre ie where Dominoes and Shakey's are is alos badly constructed with no good ingress and egress.

Taipan 2....where the dim sums are all in, that is even worse...you have to go via the housing area into....and out...you can enter near the highway...but if you exit there, you will need to u turn at Putra Heights...aiyo yo :eek:

Yah
24-03-2008, 10:31 AM
Re trafic jam, the urban planner in MPSJ, I suggest you don't drive to work for one month. Just use public transport. Then you will have better idea how to mitigate some of traffic jam issues. Just a suggestion. I don't think you will last a week. he he :D

racheljansz
24-03-2008, 11:01 AM
Isn't it obvious to MPSJ that our roads are choked? Is it so important that we must create more revenue at the expense of the quality of life of the residents?The guys at MPSJ also thinks like you mah.
To have a very healthy and significant improvement in relation to the money they have to spent.
How else to do that but to approve building of more condos/apartments projects.
Green lungs, buffers or parks do not put money in their bank.
Green lungs, buffers or parks are liabilities, need more work and expenditure to maintain.
Lastly, residents are not their boss!
Susah lah ini resident punya orang.

555
24-03-2008, 12:42 PM
i think Subang Jaya (i refer SS15) is wrongly developed and that caused traffic jams.
The colleges shouldn't be allowed to be built( in first place) and shouldn't be allowed to expand in this area when there is no extra parkings is built.

We still have not seen effects of highrise buildings yet. Once the new condos in SS15 and SS16 are occupied...we will know.

Roads in Subang Jaya is sufficient for Subang Jaya residents, but not enough for the nearby residents to passby Subang jaya to get into the free Federal Highway.

tupai
24-03-2008, 12:54 PM
heheheheheh...those new condo projets kat ss15 and the stretch of ss16 will add another 3,500 units of apartments to irritate the nearby residents...

hahahahah...with such affluent neighbours, it is natural to assume that each aprtment will have 1 car for mum, 1 for dad and maybe 1 for spoilt brat son/daughter...so my canon calculator tells me 'eh, eh, we got additional 7,000-9,000 new cars lah....wahlah!...and that also no count a possible new condo projet belakang sheraton hotel :D :D


hehehehe...enjoy the future jam, coming home from kl, stretching all the way back to, what??rtm? mid vali? hahahahahahh :D :D

Yang Amat Boleh jam latotupai

tupai
24-03-2008, 12:57 PM
oh, terlupa..just u wait tll the new bridge is built connecting puchong to usj1..bypassing the toll :p :p

the current mobile carpark is coming to a standstill :D :D

Yang Akan Banyak jalan kaki latotupai

pucman
24-03-2008, 01:52 PM
oh, terlupa..just u wait tll the new bridge is built connecting puchong to usj1..bypassing the toll :p :p



In puchong, there are developers trying to turn the green park air hitam into high rise apartment/condo too.

That will increase the traffic jam many fold to the already jammed LDP.

That was one of the reasons the residents voted Gobind Singh from DAP.

AllUrban
24-03-2008, 02:54 PM
i think Subang Jaya (i refer SS15) is wrongly developed and that caused traffic jams.
The colleges shouldn't be allowed to be built( in first place) and shouldn't be allowed to expand in this area when there is no extra parkings is built.I agree with the first part of your comment but not the second. Building colleges is a good idea. Building 3 colleges and a private school within one corner of SS15 is a bad idea.

Actually, m thinks that SS15 is a good example of how to combine residential, commercial, and institutional uses, and m believes they should have built more of Subang and USJ following the example of SS15.

There are a few minor problems with SS15...first, the different areas are too isolated (business in 1/2 and residential in 1/2) and second, the roads cannot handle the traffic load...because everyone chooses to drive instead of walk!

I believe that SS15 could be improved with a few simple changes...a more simple road grid (nothing like the hexagon or those angled roads which isolate people from their surroundings) and a mix of different types of housing (e.g. more low rise apartments as well as 1-storey and 2 storey link houses)...

I would also say that SS15 should have more residential spaces rather than commercial, and there should be more mixing of uses (e.g. mixed residential and commercial spaces).

I firmly believe that the main problem within SS15 is that too many people drive and if we can get people to drive less, then there will be serious improvements to our quality of life.

Cheers, m

Superman
24-03-2008, 03:42 PM
Traffics jams will eventually will be getting worst in SS15 and entire Wilayah Persekutuan! The Problem will not improve! Our culture is all these while, We dont walk we drive!

We drive cause our car has the comfort of air conditioning! And the weather is too humid and too HOT some days! Folks that stays in Subang Works in Shah Alam and Shah Alam citizen works in KL! Thats the real problem, The damage has been done! Car will be always jaming our roads

somethings cant be change....

xweird
24-03-2008, 03:54 PM
not only that. it's not practically safe for pedestrians to walk around subang jaya.

my gripe on overdevelopment would be that kelana jaya flyover and the multiple high rise developments fronting the federal highway...

Superman
24-03-2008, 03:59 PM
Unless new laws added :

On Noise and air quality

1. Stop Car Engine when u re at stop!(can we?) Too Hot
2. Min 6 months cars to have to check up by a local car service men
(Check the car status) if fail stop them until car owners done service
(Min 20 points check) From gas emmission Co2 level and Tyres

On Car Parks

1.Limit only 15 Min Car Parks in main roads and Heavy jam Areas
2.Depends Which Business and landmarks( Banks or Restaurant) These Trade
Needs Them to rent car park for clients during Offices and Banking Hours
3.Others only park Min 15MINS and hata Pass GO..(makes traffic flow better)
4. Better access For Public transport ( district only) More public transport
We drive less

Can this be done in the next 4-5 Years???? Others are too use to drive

firefox
24-03-2008, 05:41 PM
Theres nothing much you can do to SJ as it is too populated,congested and cramped.
Roads and highways take up to much space and the car pollution adds to the unhealty conditions too the enviroment.

This over development is due to the greed of UEP and the State government.

isarahim
24-03-2008, 07:15 PM
This over development is due to the greed of UEP and the State government.
Yes.

Same with the Mont Kiara ghetto.
Same with Bangsar Mid Valley ghetto.
Same with Kinrara ghetto.
Same with the destruction of Ampang Park.
Same with the destruction of Bukit Damansara forestry.
Same with the proposed destruction of the Gasing green lung.
Same with the proposed destruction of the UM green lung.

and about 3 dozens more ghettoes or ghettoes-in-waiting around Klang Valley.

Boink
24-03-2008, 07:39 PM
Yes, Subang Jaya is overdeveloped. So is USJ, Sunway and Puchong.

pywong
24-03-2008, 07:52 PM
Over-developed:

In that case, is it reasonable to say that we should put on hold further development and focus on improving the quality of life? The residents have to put up a case for this to our new exco on Local Govt - Ronnie Liu.

pywong

AllUrban
25-03-2008, 11:30 AM
Traffics jams will eventually will be getting worst in SS15 and entire Wilayah Persekutuan! The Problem will not improve! Our culture is all these while, We dont walk we drive!

We drive cause our car has the comfort of air conditioning! And the weather is too humid and too HOT some days! Folks that stays in Subang Works in Shah Alam and Shah Alam citizen works in KL! Thats the real problem, The damage has been done! Car will be always jaming our roads

somethings cant be change....Some days...but not all days! Not every day is hot and humid. Certain hours are very hot and humid. I wouldnt walk around in the sun most days between 12 and 4 pm...but I would still walk around.

Some days are comfortable, some days are breezy, some days are rainy and some days are humid. So why not just admit that this is an excuse?

not only that. it's not practically safe for pedestrians to walk around subang jaya. hmmm....then how have I managed to live in Subang Jaya for 3 years without a car or motorcycle? How have I managed to walk to and from work (3 km each way plus more if I stop at Subang Parade) every single day for the past 3 years?????? I guess logically I should be dead or injured many times over by now :p

Cheers, m

pywong
25-03-2008, 01:48 PM
AllUrban,

Your mind sets you free.

py

555
25-03-2008, 01:54 PM
which part of subang jaya is not safe to walk ? :)

firefox
25-03-2008, 02:33 PM
not only that. it's not practically safe for pedestrians to walk around subang jaya.

my gripe on overdevelopment would be that kelana jaya flyover and the multiple high rise developments fronting the federal highway...

I have lived here for more 20 years when the planes used to fly low and would rattle the windows and wake up the kids. I have seen this town grow and grow and i have walked all the overplaces at nite and day and not got into any harm.

I realise that i have pay the conquences of development theres nothing i can do, but be happy that i got a roof over my head.

Superman
25-03-2008, 10:01 PM
Some days...but not all days! Not every day is hot and humid. Certain hours are very hot and humid. I wouldnt walk around in the sun most days between 12 and 4 pm...but I would still walk around.

Some days are comfortable, some days are breezy, some days are rainy and some days are humid. So why not just admit that this is an excuse?
hmmm....then how have I managed to live in Subang Jaya for 3 years without a car or motorcycle? How have I managed to walk to and from work (3 km each way plus more if I stop at Subang Parade) every single day for the past 3 years?????? I guess logically I should be dead or injured many times over by now :p

Cheers, m

Yeah i agreed and its in our culture all this while...most don wanna walk nowdays! Comfort living most malaysian

yvonnefoong
26-03-2008, 08:31 AM
AllUrban Yes we may choose to walk when we can. Here's what I do. I would walk to the grocery if all I need to get is just a couple of items. Any more, I need mom to fetch.....

Eh, I have a lot to write. But long story short, yay to you for the ability to walk anyhow. Cuz I can't. But I don't mean to disagree with you in this. Just sometimes, excuses are real. Keke...

Driving isn't so bad actually. But when we have poor road planning, that's when driving becomes bad.

I take the bus home from college on some days. I wish there are buses from SS15 to college on regular hours also. But there isn't and the taxi drivers are not using their meters!

CS Chua
26-03-2008, 08:57 AM
I disagree that people do not want to walk. The reason why people do not want to walk is because the whole place is not pedestrian friendly. There are no proper side walks. Nobody likes to walk on roads with the crazy car drivers around. Even in land scarce Singapore, there are side walks and buffer zones between buildings and roads.

I have traveled to over 50 countries and I see people walk all the time. Sometimes out of necessity even if the road sides are broken (India, Manila, Yangon etc) and many times out of casual habits as good side walks are provided.

Quite often I walk 10 minutes for my breakfast in SS14 and sometimes 15 minutes to SS13. Along the way, I see others walking especially in the morning and evening. This is despite the fact that side walks are not provided. If it is, I can imagine the increased numbers of pedestrians.

It is time that the housing and drainage by-laws be changed. It is still pre-2nd World War design. The government should ensure:

1. A buffer zone of at least 10 feet between house and road for drains and side walks
2. A buffer zone of at least 20 feet between multi-storey buildings and roads for the same reason.

pywong
26-03-2008, 09:46 AM
Subang Jaya when it was first developed in the 70's, the town planning was done by Goh Hock Guan. I think he did a pretty decent job of it as he was trained in the US.

Later, the politicians and bureaucrats got into the act with their personal agenda. Today, what you see is the result. Let's hope when the new administration takes over, they can start cleaning up the mess. If Penang is any indication, it is not going to be an easy task. Mind you, Penang was run by Gerakan, which was generally believed to be more "clean". So, I shudder to think what worms will be thrown up in MPSJ.

PY

gary yap
26-03-2008, 10:11 AM
10 years ago it's a 4-carraige way with no buildings, 10 years later, full of development but still the same 4-carraige way. Problem is our development fail to recognise the need for fast dissipation of traffic. Not enough multi-storey parking lots.

CCY
26-03-2008, 10:22 AM
10 years ago it's a 4-carraige way with no buildings, 10 years later, full of development but still the same 4-carraige way. Problem is our development fail to recognise the need for fast dissipation of traffic. Not enough multi-storey parking lots.
Sure or not..... ? Have they not added some traffic lights on the 4-lane carriageway for your traveling conveniences..smoothness....?;)

sarawakian
26-03-2008, 10:47 AM
Subang Jaya when it was first developed in the 70's, the town planning was done by Goh Hock Guan. I think he did a pretty decent job of it as he was trained in the US.

PY

Any elaboration on this? This is interesting. Good to know what the thougts were at that time

gary yap
26-03-2008, 11:21 AM
Sure or not..... ? Have they not added some traffic lights on the 4-lane carriageway for your traveling conveniences..smoothness....?;)

The point I'm getting at is the roads are getting narrower with the developments taking place. Convenience is there but just like a bottle, the more water you fill and when there's no more space it overflow.

AllUrban
26-03-2008, 11:31 AM
The point I'm getting at is the roads are getting narrower with the developments taking place. Convenience is there but just like a bottle, the more water you fill and when there's no more space it overflow.Interesting point Gary...but consider that with more services in a local area, you can get everything you need closer by.

so there is an advantage to having development...you dont need to drive as far or as much to do everything.

I agree with the point about things not being pedestrian friendly...but to me that just reflects finding an excuse. We all can try harder or encourage others to try in our place.

We are in a "catch-22" situation. Streets are not pedestrian friendly because there arent enough pedestrians to warrant it. There arent enough pedestrians because the streets are not pedestrian friendly...and around and around we go :p

Things are not pedestrian friendly because we equate status with using a car (which suggests wealth) and we have done everything to increase the flow of car traffic and forgotten/ignored/undervalued every other form of transport.

Pedestrians and cyclists and public transport users and motorcyclists are (respectively) 5th, 4th, 3rd, and 2nd class citizens...

I really to believe that you cannot really see your community until you start walking through it...so my advice to the new elected reps...is that if you really want to turun padang...start walking

Cheers, m

pywong
26-03-2008, 11:55 AM
I have not quite figured out how to enclose previous posters message in quotes.

Sarawakian asked: Any elaboration on this? This is interesting. Good to know what the thougts were at that time

Subang Jaya was named after Subang airport. It was under the flight path of the planes landing at Subang Airport and not very popular as a housing estate. There was talk that the exhaust from the planes will drop on the clothes in the garden. From the perspective of a PJ resident, SJ was literary the end of the world. Travel time to KL took between 45 mins to 1 hour.

There was so much negativity about SJ houses that the developers had to offer furniture as part of the deal. House prices were generally 15 to 20% lower than PJ's. That was why we, struggling salary workers, could afford to buy a house in SJ. Daim was the developer then. He was losing money. It was rumoured that he later forced the project down Sime Darby's throat. Cantonese say "Eat dead chicken."

Towards the end of the 70's and early 80's, there was a wind of change. Sales of SJ took off and Sime-UEP started making lots of money. Daim must have been gnashing his teeth over his "bad timing".

The nice thing about SJ was that the roads and parks were very well-planned. The roads were wide with adequate road shoulders. Subang Ria was a big selling point. Every housing estate had adequate playgrounds. The only thing was that the houses itself were horrible. Their design was geared towards external aesthetics but the interior was not very user-friendly. "Good to see but not good to eat."

Since then, we have seen how the parks and playgrounds are gobbled up to create multi-storey monsters that churn up a lot of traffic that the roads were not designed to cater for in the first place. Then Sime-UEP opened up USJ which effectively increased SJ by more than 100%. With only 1 exit point to the Federal Highway, there was no way the roads could cope. So, started our daily nightmare of traffic jams.

The solution to the jams is not more highways, more flyovers, more traffic lights or even more and better traffic systems. Basically, we have to stop throwing more cars onto the roads - stop further development in SJ. Then we need to explore AllUrban's ideas on public transport to wean people off their love affair with cars. Another area to explore is home-based work or businesses or even staggered working hours.

My 2 cents.

py

gary yap
26-03-2008, 12:06 PM
True also but tough not to throw more cars as we're making cars as well. The jam is mainly the morning and evening rush. Other than that the contribution to jams are people like me :D , salesman la, what to do. I'll prefer more flyovers to by-pass 'hot spots' like the roundabout in SS15 and in front of Summit. Work from home or staggered working hours is not catching up in Asia, at least not in the next few years.

CCY
26-03-2008, 12:07 PM
I have not quite figured out how to enclose previous posters message in quotes.

py

Do you see a quote button on the bottom right corner of each post.....?

pywong
26-03-2008, 12:11 PM
Thanks CCY. Appreciate it.

py

kwchang
26-03-2008, 12:39 PM
I have not quite figured out how to enclose previous posters message in quotes.
May I add one more tip - if you paste something to the text being composed, then highlight that text and then click on the "speech-bubble" icon you see in the composing window (this is the last icon on the same line where you select B for bold. That creates a quote box around the selected thread. And if you want the quote box to indicate that it is a quote by 'pywong' for example, then just add "=pywong" after the [quote for eg [ quote=pywong ]

pywong
26-03-2008, 12:56 PM
May I add one more tip - if you paste something to the text being composed, then highlight that text and then click on the "speech-bubble" icon you see in the composing window (this is the last icon on the same line where you select B for bold. That creates a quote box around the selected thread. And if you want the quote box to indicate that it is a quote by 'pywong' for example, then just add "=pywong" after the [quote for eg [ quote=pywong ]

I see. Cool. Thanks KW.

PY

CCY
26-03-2008, 01:19 PM
The point I'm getting at is the roads are getting narrower with the developments taking place. Convenience is there but just like a bottle, the more water you fill and when there's no more space it overflow.
I agree that it will overflow if there's no outlet . But....how fast can you fill water through the bottle neck. So essentially it should flow at the speed of at the narrowest point of that bottle on condition that there are adequate holes at the bottom.

gary yap
26-03-2008, 04:42 PM
So instead of filling up a bottle with a narrow neck, try the one which is wider. The problem with our M'sia road is bottle-neck, no dedicated turn-off point(cars going straight get stuck on the so-called fast lane, no thanx to non-signal drivers). Before the infrastructure is decided projects are approved, leaving no space for road-widening purpose or expansion.

CCY
26-03-2008, 04:49 PM
So instead of filling up a bottle with a narrow neck, try the one which is wider. The problem with our M'sia road is bottle-neck, no dedicated turn-off point(cars going straight get stuck on the so-called fast lane, no thanx to non-signal drivers). Before the infrastructure is decided projects are approved, leaving no space for road-widening purpose or expansion.
Yes ....There are big neck ones but it is being constricted by a piece of cork shafted in to regulate the flow....

firefox
26-03-2008, 05:04 PM
So many points and bright ideas but who is going to take any action? :confused:

gary yap
26-03-2008, 05:07 PM
Yes ....There are big neck ones but it is being constricted by a piece of cork shafted in to regulate the flow....

... and the cork is the traffic lights...

gary yap
26-03-2008, 05:10 PM
So many points and ideas but who is going to take any action? :confused:

I made some complain calls to MPSJ before and sad to say was given the cold shoulder, no one layan me. Traffic lights near my office in Seri Kembangan irregular timing, sometimes not working. If there's an avenue we can spew our grouses I'm sure lots here will be filling in.

yvonnefoong
27-03-2008, 12:52 AM
I disagree that people do not want to walk. The reason why people do not want to walk is because the whole place is not pedestrian friendly. There are no proper side walks. Nobody likes to walk on roads with the crazy car drivers around. Even in land scarce Singapore, there are side walks and buffer zones between buildings and roads.

I have traveled to over 50 countries and I see people walk all the time. Sometimes out of necessity even if the road sides are broken (India, Manila, Yangon etc) and many times out of casual habits as good side walks are provided.

Quite often I walk 10 minutes for my breakfast in SS14 and sometimes 15 minutes to SS13. Along the way, I see others walking especially in the morning and evening. This is despite the fact that side walks are not provided. If it is, I can imagine the increased numbers of pedestrians.

It is time that the housing and drainage by-laws be changed. It is still pre-2nd World War design. The government should ensure:

1. A buffer zone of at least 10 feet between house and road for drains and side walks
2. A buffer zone of at least 20 feet between multi-storey buildings and roads for the same reason.


oh yes! I didn't want to point this out at first, lest people think I'm a whiny. Cuz I can attest to it now that there aren't anymore balance nerves in my brain. Our uneven tar roads are hazardous for me. If you drag your feet a little, you might just trip over an uneven patch yet not know what happened! But even private grounds are designing their pavements just to look fancy, but not practical also. One example is Taylors' College and the new signage area. A reader suggested it was built for feng shui, hence the odd design. I tried imagining being a blind man, using a stick to maneuver through that area. My imagination tells me I'd likely trip and fall very badly.

howsen
27-03-2008, 02:34 AM
For the past 15 years, it has been obvious to the residents that our roads cannot cope with the traffic. We suffer jams in the morning as we leave Subang Jaya for Klang, PJ or KL to work. We suffer jams in the evening as we stream home from our work place.

Many bridges and flyovers have been built. Despite that, there has not been a significant improvement, certainly not in relation to the money we have spent.

And yet, we are approving more new projects that can only add more cars in Subang Jaya, that can only aggravate the traffic congestion. Why are we doing this? Isn't it obvious to MPSJ that our roads are choked? Is it so important that we must create more revenue at the expense of the quality of life of the residents?

I hope that the new MPSJ administration can look into this and to consider my proposal:

No more new development projects until our existing traffic problems are solved!

pywong


I believe this is due to "USJ-> to other place":
1. go out from USJ20+ to puchong tol which cost RM1.60.
2. Kesas highway that cost RM4.40 to reach KL.
3. Federal highway that leads to Klang or KL. <-- FREE and it is super jam!

If every way out from USJ is free, I believe the traffic in USJ will not that jam anymore.

howsen
27-03-2008, 02:41 AM
By the way, USJ road is consider as a very well structure area if compare to other place such as cheras, wangsa maju..etc. Just my personal opinion, as you see the road is wide and good. It's very good if you go out after working hours or driving at midnight:D Just my 2 cents of words.

pywong
27-03-2008, 08:09 AM
By the way, USJ road is consider as a very well structure area if compare to other place such as cheras, wangsa maju..etc. Just my personal opinion, as you see the road is wide and good. It's very good if you go out after working hours or driving at midnight:D Just my 2 cents of words.

In the mid-70s, I was involved in the Maintenance Study of 13,000 km of roads in Malaysia. What we learned was that:

1. Roads have to be upgraded before deterioration is obvious. In other words, if you see cracks in the road surface, it is too late.
2. Resurfacing cycles are a function of the traffic load.
3. The most damaging loads are attributable to heavy axle loadings - lorries, trucks and buses. Cars contribute very little damage to the road surface. But they take up a lot of space.
4. We should not allow ponding on the road surface as constant dampness under tyre abrasion will cause very rapid damage to the bitumen in the road surface.

What does all these mumbo-jumbo mean?
1. We have to resurface the roads in the industrial areas more frequently as there is more wear and tear there. There are instruments to test the strength and remaining life of the road surface. I don't believe I have seen MPSJ doing any test on our roads so far.
2. We have to make sure that rain water is drained off the road surface as quickly as possible. This requires regular maintenance of the kerbs and road shoulders to ensure that water does not stagnate on the roads.
3. Pavement design is a specialist engineering field. All I see is MPSJ getting some Indian subcontractors to throw a few cm of asphalt, roll it a few rounds and consider it a job well-done. To top it all, they resurface when the old surface is wet! Try sticking something on a wet surface - it will not STICK!

Getting back to basics:
We need a very experienced engineer in MPSJ to make sure that maintenance of the roads are properly carried out. Someone who has at least 10 years experience in design, construction and maintenance. I have not met the engineer in charge. But judging from the standard of roads and maintenance in MPSJ, I am not inspired. For a start, it will do him good if he spends a 6-month stint at the JKR Road Maintenance Unit (if it still exists) to understand pavement rehabilitation, road design and maintenance.

Unfortunately, maintenance is one of the most unglamorous jobs in the world and not something that attracts the bright people to take up.

py

pywong
27-03-2008, 08:12 AM
And if I may add. In Bolehland, there is more money to be made in projects and planning approvals.

masmot
27-03-2008, 02:03 PM
i remember once when my sister worked in office at holiday villa. she reach office earlier than his colleagues, who appear to be staying at the usj goodyear court. they have to get up as early as 6pm to reach office. without jams i guess it will be only about 15min or so.

i seldomly go to USJ now, last time selalu lepak at SS15, now only go there if i crave for burger king..

people don't like to walk. because besides no proper sidewalks and to remind you, malaysia's climate is hot and dry, and thunderstorm in the evening. especially now, so who want to walk? bad public transport. if our public transport is efficient, proper sidewalks, redup i think traffic congestion will reduce.

pywong
27-03-2008, 02:08 PM
i remember once when my sister worked in office at holiday villa. she reach office earlier than his colleagues, who appear to be staying at the usj goodyear court. they have to get up as early as 6pm....

6pm? Night shift? :o

py

gary yap
27-03-2008, 02:09 PM
hehe... night shift...

Taipan also got Burger King.

masmot
27-03-2008, 02:13 PM
aiyaa..typing error, supposed to be 6am. if 6pm considered early, i want that job.haha

gary yap
27-03-2008, 02:16 PM
i start work at 6pm too... Happy Hr starts at 5. :)

CS Chua
27-03-2008, 02:23 PM
Right now, all new developments must not be approved. Instead MPSJ should focus on the following:

1. The SJ Boulevard Walk
2. Subang Ria Park
3. Spruce up all parks, big and small
4. Build tennis, basketball and badminton courts everywhere
5. Build multi-storey car parks in Taipan, SS15, and at KTM train station
6. Build a bus terminal
7. Bring in the LRT ASAP
8. Allow access to Kesas from Jalan Tujuan
9. Legalise all churches and temples
10. Widen all main roads
11. Tar all roads in SJ and USJ.

All these will help to make SJ a better place to live in.

gary yap
27-03-2008, 02:28 PM
Speaking of tarring, they better learn how to tar evenly and do something about the manhole. It tend to be 'lower' then the surface resulting in 'pot-hole' type.

pywong
27-03-2008, 03:03 PM
Speaking of tarring, they better learn how to tar evenly and do something about the manhole. It tend to be 'lower' then the surface resulting in 'pot-hole' type.

2 ways:

1. Insert a collar to raise the cover. This has to be planned for at the design stage and is probably the cheapest method. This works well if the edges do not have kerbs or roadside drains (right at the edge of the pawement).

2. Scarify the old surface by 50mm or whatever thickness is required to rebuild the road to its designed performance. That is what is done along the Toll highways. PLUS have to do this because resurfacing without scarifying will raise the bitumen layer on top of the bridges. This could introduce an unacceptable loading on the bridge and also reduce the height of the kerb above the road surface. (Safety issue) So where you have bridges or kerbs, the preferred solution is scarifying before resurfacing.

Road maintenance is a specialist field. Our MPSJ engineers would do well to consult the Roads Section in JKR or MHA (Malaysia Highway Authority, if they still exist).

py
py

gary yap
27-03-2008, 03:07 PM
Scaping of the old top should be the way. The slow lane after the school in USJ6 towards the traffic lights, the left turn have irregular surfaces resulting a wide angle cornering.

CCY
27-03-2008, 03:37 PM
Right now, all new developments must not be approved. Instead MPSJ should focus on the following:

1. The SJ Boulevard Walk
2. Subang Ria Park
3. Spruce up all parks, big and small
4. Build tennis, basketball and badminton courts everywhere
5. Build multi-storey car parks in Taipan, SS15, and at KTM train station
6. Build a bus terminal
7. Bring in the LRT ASAP
8. Allow access to Kesas from Jalan Tujuan
9. Legalise all churches and temples
10. Widen all main roads
11. Tar all roads in SJ and USJ.

All these will help to make SJ a better place to live in.

Where are all the overhead pedestrian crossing .....??
There's one in front of 3K that is going to be de-construct. Would that be re-built somewhere...?

AllUrban
27-03-2008, 04:01 PM
Where are all the overhead pedestrian crossing .....??
There's one in front of 3K that is going to be de-construct. Would that be re-built somewhere...?Be good to rebuild that one over by Subang Parade...e.g. SS17-SS16 or SS15-SS16.

Pers kewajipan between Metropolitan and Summit will definitely be a no-go zone for pedestrians once this elevated highway in completed...

Anyone see the pedestrian bridge crossing the LDP near the Unitar complex? Goes up, then goes down below the flyover, then up again, then down again...

maybe we will have something similar to link SS14 and SS13.

Cheers, m

pywong
27-03-2008, 04:12 PM
Where are all the overhead pedestrian crossing .....??
There's one in front of 3K that is going to be de-construct. Would that be re-built somewhere...?

New govt taking over. Opposition party dismantled the bridge for re-erection in Trengganu. Have to justify all the Wang Ehsan that disappeared into the monsoons. Black Swan Event (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory) :D

py

146ers
28-03-2008, 11:10 PM
Yes Subang Jaya is definitely over-developed. Children cannot cycle around as there are too many cars and no bike lanes. Trees are being cut down for road expansions. Supporting amenities not being introduced fast enough so we have lack of car park space, indiscriminate parking out of necessity etc. all in the name of development.
The thing is the over development is a direct result of a local authority that acts without regard to the people in the locality. How come you dont see this kind of over development in Taman Tun Dr Ismail?

coleslaw
28-03-2008, 11:17 PM
Yes Subang Jaya is definitely over-developed. Children cannot cycle around as there are too many cars and no bike lanes. Trees are being cut down for road expansions. Supporting amenities not being introduced fast enough so we have lack of car park space, indiscriminate parking out of necessity etc. all in the name of development.
The thing is the over development is a direct result of a local authority that acts without regard to the people in the locality. How come you dont see this kind of over development in Taman Tun Dr Ismail?
Tmn tun is not big..not for lack of trying but there's no more land to develop! latest being sinaran condo and just heard thru the grapevine, another high rise is coming up on a small plot of land. :(

pywong
29-03-2008, 07:43 AM
Here's our chance. We have a new govt, which professes to be willing to listen to us. Let us look at the projects that were recently approved over our objections and demand a review. Stop the projects until the traffic problems are solved.

That is the first step. Then we study the traffic flow to see whether there is room for improvement. We should be able to come up with some suggestions on this. To be comprehensive, we will need access to a traffic modelling system to do a proper job. Does anyone know of such computer programs around?

Certainly, we should provide for more pedestrian and bicycle-friendly roads. But I am not sure whether it is too late now, given that the bridges did not cater for this. More trees like what we see at Orchard Road, Singapore, will be nice.

While I was back-packing with my kids in South Africa and South America, we saw all the towns were very focused on tourism. Information centres were prominent, with maps, traffic signs and all the local establishments geared towards the tourist trade. This is something that Subang Jaya can do using our existing facilities and bring income to the local residents. In other words, we don't need more development. We only need to optimise what we already have to bring in more benefit for the residents.

Each town had a local newspaper which highlighted the tourist attractions, talked about local issues, and provided a channel of communication between the local council and the residents. The advanced towns were actively involved in recycling, teaching the residents how to recycle and having programmes to mobilize and involve everyone. In other words, the local councils were very close to the people and were, in fact, drawn from the people. So, they had a stake in the well-being of the town.

py

CCY
29-03-2008, 03:13 PM
Here's our chance. We have a new govt, which professes to be willing to listen to us. Let us look at the projects that were recently approved over our objections and demand a review. Stop the projects until the traffic problems are solved.

That is the first step. Then we study the traffic flow to see whether there is room for improvement. We should be able to come up with some suggestions on this. To be comprehensive, we will need access to a traffic modelling system to do a proper job. Does anyone know of such computer programs around?


py

The assumption is that if you agree that a traffic policeman manning a traffic junction will improve the traffic flow , then there's definitely room for improvement. Would it be fantastic of having a policeman 24/7 there...in every installed traffic junction all over the country..? I think you got the answer already.....
Uncle google should be the model....scratch his back a bit...:p

pywong
29-03-2008, 06:02 PM
The assumption is that if you agree that a traffic policeman manning a traffic junction will improve the traffic flow , then there's definitely room for improvement. Would it be fantastic of having a policeman 24/7 there...in every installed traffic junction all over the country..? I think you got the answer already.....
Uncle google should be the model....scratch his back a bit...:p
With a CCTV at every junction feeding information to a central control room and with real-time control over the traffic lights, it should be possible to fine-tune the traffic lights to optimise traffic flow. But there is only so much you can do with traffic lights. Beyond a certain volume, they can't work anymore. You need flyovers and underpasses. Again, there is a limit to its capacity. Basically, it is like a dog chasing its own tail.

The solution is to reduce the number of cars by improving public transport. stagger working hours, encourage people to work from home, etc. Or as suggested by this thread, stop further development until the roads are improved.

The problem I see is that the authorities do not value the time of the people. They have no qualms about wasting our time. Look at the queues at the govt depts. Therefore reducing travelling time is not something that is urgent to the Govt. This attitude has to change before we can hope to see people-friendly service from the govt. I was in govt service before. I know how those guys think. I suspect it is even worse now.

Having the Barisan Rakyat in 5 state govts will give the BN some competition. I believe BN will have to buck up. Otherwise, we will bungkus them in 2013.

py

firefox
29-03-2008, 06:20 PM
I say, live and at live, life is too short. Enjoy life while you can and thank God you have a healthy life. Enjoy the remainder of you borrowed time on earth. Your griping and whining wont take you anywhere but give you misery and to the ppl around you.
This is my attitude to life yours may defer, so be it.