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besitai2007
24-03-2008, 07:43 AM
After spending millions of ringgit to build the SMART tunnel project, it is being closed for "mitigation" maintenance. Read the Star's online report at http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/3/23/nation/20080323203820&sec=nation. Anyway I'm not trying to promote the Star. It's just to highlight the point: why build the SMART tunnel in the first place if it is not "smart" enough to alleviate the flood problem it is supposed to do? The BN government made such a fanfare about its ability to solve the flood problems in central KL. I thought I read of some initial problems but we were not told about it (another coverup?). The source quoted in the article has said that he is not sure when the tunnel will be reopened. Another few million ringgit literally down the drain! :mad:

GreyShadow
24-03-2008, 08:34 AM
I have to disagree here... ;)

I don't think the SMART Tunnel is not smart enough, it is the people who operates it is not smart :D

Never blame the problem on the system, most of the time it's the user problem :D

tsd
24-03-2008, 08:40 AM
I have to disagree here... ;)

I don't think the SMART Tunnel is not smart enough, it is the people who operates it is not smart :D

Never blame the problem on the system, most of the time it's the user problem :D

unless there are cracks in the tunnel.

Nowiam
24-03-2008, 09:05 AM
After spending millions of ringgit to build the SMART tunnel project, it is being closed for "mitigation" maintenance. Read the Star's online report at http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/3/23/nation/20080323203820&sec=nation. Anyway I'm not trying to promote the Star. It's just to highlight the point: why build the SMART tunnel in the first place if it is not "smart" enough to alleviate the flood problem it is supposed to do? The BN government made such a fanfare about its ability to solve the flood problems in central KL. I thought I read of some initial problems but we were not told about it (another coverup?). The source quoted in the article has said that he is not sure when the tunnel will be reopened. Another few million ringgit literally down the drain! :mad:

I believe you have misread the words - and jumped the conclusion probably because of your pre-conceived opinion.

The Tunnel is closed because it is required to divert flood water - this is what it was designed for. If you read the words it states very clearly "closed since 6pm Saturday for flood-mitigation works because of heavy rains", it does not say it is closed for 'maintenance' as you state. Please do not distort the statments lah!

To be prevent any misunderstanding I do not work for them nor am I pro nor con of the tunnel, but cannot agree with your putting words where it did not appear at all in the article.

racheljansz
24-03-2008, 09:11 AM
it is the people who operates it is not smart :DOn the contrary, those fellows are laughing all the way to the bank!!
It us that is not smart.
There were not comprehensives actions taken to alleviate the flood problems in this countries.
We do have PROJECTS but at best they are only band-aids.
Our government is obsessed with development at the expenses of the enviroment.
Green lungs and forest are destroyed, aggravating the run off from the torrential rain.
Now is the time to hold the government accountable for all these 'PROJECTS'
Write to your ADUN & MPs.

Rocky19
24-03-2008, 10:01 AM
I believe you have misread the words - and jumped the conclusion probably because of your pre-conceived opinion.

The Tunnel is closed because it is required to divert flood water - this is what it was designed for. If you read the words it states very clearly "closed since 6pm Saturday for flood-mitigation works because of heavy rains", it does not say it is closed for 'maintenance' as you state. Please do not distort the statments lah!

To be prevent any misunderstanding I do not work for them nor am I pro nor con of the tunnel, but cannot agree with your putting words where it did not appear at all in the article.
agree with you mate. People simply whack. The tunnel is closed for flood mitigation. Didn't you guys notice the heavy rain the last couple of days. If you're upset you can't use the tunnel, well there is an alternative road ma.

Maybe we need use some logic instead of blaming the tunnel not Smart! ;)

Yah
24-03-2008, 10:46 AM
I am sure you are aware 'SMART' is just an acronym for 'Stormwater Management And Road Tunnel'. It never imply how smart it is.
I find it very useful when you are in a hurry to go to the golden triangle area.
Could't help wondering what will happen to me if I am cought inside it when somebody decide to go to water mode. Is it Murphy proff?

ahfatt78
24-03-2008, 10:53 AM
Because of the closure, today (Monday morning) the traffic has jam all the way to Kajang from Sg Besi (KL-Seremban NS highway).

vsat
24-03-2008, 11:00 AM
I wanted to go to Bukit Bintang on Sat night and have been using the SMART Tunnel since they opened. But it was closed !!! I thought it was supposed to be dual function. Flood mitigation and road tunnel. Doesnt the tunner have two storeys? One for vehicle and one for flood diversion? And they could function both at the same time?
Correct me if Im wrong?

chewie
24-03-2008, 11:31 AM
yes.... they could function both at the same time....

vsat
24-03-2008, 11:37 AM
So, what is the problem? We have to face reality...sometimes, we have to deal with stupid people.....

Eastern Citizen
24-03-2008, 11:45 AM
yes.... they could function both at the same time....
I saw a documentary on the SMART tunnel which said that there are 3 levels to the SMART tunnel. Most of the time it is just the bottom bit. However, when the water levels begin to rise, the middle bit is used. And when the waters really really rise, the top bit, ie. the bit we drive on is used.............. quite interesting really..............

GreyShadow
24-03-2008, 11:49 AM
I think not many people realize this when they are using the SMART tunnel:
They are driving in a giant longkang :D

That's what I told my outstation friends whenever they come over for a visit... want to pay RM2 and drive into a big longkang or not? :D

racheljansz
24-03-2008, 12:15 PM
I saw a documentary on the SMART tunnel which said that there are 3 levels to the SMART tunnel. Most of the time it is just the bottom bit. However, when the water levels begin to rise, the middle bit is used. And when the waters really really rise, the top bit, ie. the bit we drive on is used.............. quite interesting really..............How SMART Tunnel works
First mode (Normal conditions)
The first mode, under normal conditions where there is no storm, no flood water will be diverted into the system.
Second mode (Most storms)
When the second mode is activated, flood water is diverted into the bypass tunnel in the lower channel of the motorway tunnel. The motorway section is still open to traffic at this stage.
Third mode (Major storms)
At the third mode of operation the motorways will be closed to traffic. When this mode is in operation, the motorway will be closed to all traffic. After making sure all vehicles have exited the motorway, automated water-tight gates will be opened to allow flood waters to pass through. The motorway will be reopened to traffic within 48 hours of closure.
For more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMART_Tunnel
and here
http://www.tunnels.mottmac.com/projects/?mode=type&id=2047

tupai
24-03-2008, 01:38 PM
hehhehhehh..must be REALLLY heavy rain in KL or in the surrounding hills...until all rivers, melawati, ulu langat dams risk overflowing, no? :rolleyes:

Better get my rubber duckie out :D

Actually, the smart tunnel is part of our Big picture campaign to promote malaysia. We pay huge sum of money to 'sell/promote/advertise' Malaysia via petronas sponsorhip of f1, sepang track, twin-jagong (as my shanghai friends called our beloved towers :o , and of course, the world biggest German drill to bore the world's biggest malaysia longkang, as shown in Nat Geo lah :) to prevent floooding in our garden city leh...

Oh, have they dug up the 16 or so retention ponds/pools where the smart longkang will eventually ends??? Or is the smart longkang also a smart cesspool? :confused:

Yang Amat Blur latotupai

kwchang
24-03-2008, 01:40 PM
I saw a documentary on the SMART tunnel which said that there are 3 levels to the SMART tunnel. Most of the time it is just the bottom bit. However, when the water levels begin to rise, the middle bit is used. And when the waters really really rise, the top bit, ie. the bit we drive on is used.......Do note that of the 3 levels, the top 2 are the motorways - one for each direction. Hence when storm water needs to be diverted thru the tunnel, both the motorway levels are closed - that is the top and 2nd levels

Eastern Citizen
24-03-2008, 02:22 PM
How SMART Tunnel works
Third mode (Major storms)
At the third mode of operation the motorways will be closed to traffic. When this mode is in operation, the motorway will be closed to all traffic. After "making sure all vehicles have exited the motorway", automated water-tight gates will be opened to allow flood waters to pass through. The motorway will be reopened to traffic within 48 hours of closure.
For more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMART_Tunnel
and here
http://www.tunnels.mottmac.com/projects/?mode=type&id=2047
You know guys, I can't help but feel somewhat worried by the bit here that I have bolded and underlined........................... *sigh*

tupai
24-03-2008, 02:45 PM
You know guys, I can't help but feel somewhat worried by the bit here that I have bolded and underlined........................... *sigh*

dont worry lah...its German technology, operated by skilled malaysians, assisted by cheap imported labour
:D

My question: if the retention pools aren't done yet, where the ikan the 1mother of all longkangs water izza going???? :confused: :confused:

sumthin fishy izza going on there... :cool:


Yang Ada Banyak konspirasi theories latotupai

AllUrban
24-03-2008, 03:23 PM
dont worry lah...its German technology, operated by skilled malaysians, assisted by cheap imported labour
:D

My question: if the retention pools aren't done yet, where the ikan the 1mother of all longkangs water izza going???? :confused: :confused:

sumthin fishy izza going on there... :cool:


Yang Ada Banyak konspirasi theories latotupaiif I recall correctly...the floodwaters from the Klang River (not the Gombak or Subang or Damansara or others) was to be held in holding ponds in Ampang and then diverted through the Tunnel, to another holding pond in Taman Desa, and from there, it would be discharged into the Klang River...from there it would travel through to Puchong, past USJ, through Klang, and out to the straits....

The retention pools/holding ponds are finished, they have been done since the middle of last year....

The road tunnel portion of the SMART (Terowong Bestari :D ) was closed because they used it for floodwaters instead...

Cheers, m

tupai
24-03-2008, 03:27 PM
TQ Allurban... :) Malaysia Boleh!

any idea how bangkok rid itself of the frequent flooding? Do they also have another mother of all-longkangs?

Yang Amat Blur sotong latotupai

racheljansz
25-03-2008, 10:34 AM
I wonder if Jalan Bangsar & Brickfields were in the plan when they wanted to built the tunnel?
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/National/2195283/Article/index_html

AllUrban
25-03-2008, 11:09 AM
TQ Allurban... :) Malaysia Boleh!

any idea how bangkok rid itself of the frequent flooding? Do they also have another mother of all-longkangs?

Yang Amat Blur sotong latotupaidont they have a lot of canals to spread the water out? Instead of one longkang acting as a channel, the water travels through the city in canals and sewer systems....

I do recall reading that when they built the subway/underground Bangkok metro, they built the entrances to 1 m above the highest flood level recorded in Bangkok...and they have space to build "levees" to protect the entrances if needed.


I wonder if Jalan Bangsar & Brickfields were in the plan when they wanted to built the tunnel?
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/National/2195283/Article/index_htmlhow sad...I believe the problem in Jalan Bangsar is localized flash flooding...while the problem at brickfields is related to the rise of the Klang river (and Brickfields is a low-lying area).

Obviously a larger system of levees needs to be built around the Klang River in the south of KL...the Smart Tunnel only diverts excess water coming into the Klang River from Ampang...it does nothing for the water coming down the Gombak river or other rivers...

Cheers, m

Nowiam
25-03-2008, 11:33 AM
TQ Allurban... :) Malaysia Boleh!

any idea how bangkok rid itself of the frequent flooding? Do they also have another mother of all-longkangs?

Yang Amat Blur sotong latotupai

As examples, for your reading pleasure for anyone so inclined to investigate our northern neighbours flood mitigation methods:

http://www.asiaoceania.org/abstract/hs/58-HS-A1448.pdf
http://std.cpc.ku.ac.th/delta/conf/Acrobat/Papers_Eng/Volume%201/Wirat%20RID.pdf

isarahim
25-03-2008, 12:05 PM
to prevent floooding in our garden city leh...
Garden city?

It feels like half of all the blocks in Klang Valley are called Taman this Taman that...or 'Central Park' (an office complex) or 'Kensington Park' (an aspiring ghetto) or Ampang Park (a 'shopping mall with unconnected LRT station') .

No gardens and parks anymore.....

We're living in the most oxymoronic city in the world, where almost every placename is completely misleading.

nyem
26-03-2008, 08:37 PM
The road tunnel portion of the SMART (Terowong Bestari :D ) was closed because they used it for floodwaters instead...

Terowong Bestari? Someone told me the that the malay name for SMART is actually STUPID (Sistem Terowong Untuk Pengangkutan & Irigasi DBKL).

jianwei85
26-03-2008, 11:00 PM
Terowong Bestari? Someone told me the that the malay name for SMART is actually STUPID (Sistem Terowong Untuk Pengangkutan & Irigasi DBKL).

bingo! wat a STUPID tunnel indeed. at least it is functioning!

even the 2nd n 3rd layer will be used to channel the flood waters..guess they will need a concession to clean up the tunnels each time it is used as a longkang..

EricK
27-03-2008, 04:07 PM
the last few days when it was closed it was a nightmare getting into the city for work.. yesterday it took me 1 hour 45 minutes to get to work from subang.... approximately 1 hour and 20 minutes were stuck in the jam from the kuchai laman exit of NPE to Jalan tun razak...

tupai
27-03-2008, 04:14 PM
the last few days when it was closed it was a nightmare getting into the city for work.. yesterday it took me 1 hour 45 minutes to get to work from subang.... approximately 1 hour and 20 minutes were stuck in the jam from the kuchai laman exit of NPE to Jalan tun razak...

..therefore i take it that it is a smart thing to have this mother of all longkangs acting as a traffic dispersant too?

I saw a pix of kereta-jam..1pix smarty-closed, taken at peak hr going to work like 7am with jam like terukteruk and the other pix of smarty-opened, at 7.30pm showing no jam :p the pix telling the truth? cos the taken at diff time lah :confused:

Yang Ada Banyak konspirasi theories latotupai

AllUrban
28-03-2008, 01:15 PM
Terowong Bestari? Someone told me the that the malay name for SMART is actually STUPID (Sistem Terowong Untuk Pengangkutan & Irigasi DBKL).that's priceless :D

Cheers, m

pcyeoh
28-03-2008, 02:59 PM
bingo! wat a STUPID tunnel indeed. at least it is functioning!

even the 2nd n 3rd layer will be used to channel the flood waters..guess they will need a concession to clean up the tunnels each time it is used as a longkang..
So in line with what you are saying, in the event when it is used as a longkang and it does not work or gets clogged up and should I be so unfortunate to get stucked inside and the flood water is dangerously rising, can you tell me who is the MP and his contact number as I need to complain to him to take quick action before I am drowned. We know MPs and ADUNs are good to getting longkangs cleared especially those from Barisan Nasional. But one thing for sure, I will not call the Badruddin Amiruddin, the then MP for Jerai who thinks this tunnel is the same as those found under those short skirts of those stewardess in Air Asia.

coleslaw
28-03-2008, 03:06 PM
So in line with what you are saying, in the event when it is used as a longkang and it does not work or gets clogged up and should I be so unfortunate to get stucked inside and the flood water is dangerously rising, can you tell me who is the MP and his contact number as I need to complain to him to take quick action before I am drowned. We know MPs and ADUNs are good to getting longkangs cleared especially those from Barisan Nasional. But one thing for sure, I will not call the Badruddin Amiruddin, the then MP for Jerai who thinks this tunnel is the same as those found under those short skirts of those stewardess in Air Asia.
you might not be able to get a signal in the tunnel! :eek: :D

pcyeoh
28-03-2008, 03:14 PM
Er ..... er.. er which tunnel are you referring to? I know I can get the signal in one of them.

coleslaw
28-03-2008, 03:23 PM
mmmm...why do I, somehow, know that you'll come back with that! :D

besitai2007
28-03-2008, 03:45 PM
That's why I originally said in my thread that it is being closed for "mitigation" maintenance. But I was chided by Nowiam for misquoting.
To be prevent any misunderstanding I do not work for them nor am I pro nor con of the tunnel, but cannot agree with your putting words where it did not appear at all in the article. I was actually being sarcastic. As the other forum members have said, the tunnel was supposed to have dual function - flood mitigation as well as road access to cars.

Racheljansz posted some useful information. Apparently it was in third mode.


Third mode (Major storms)
At the third mode of operation the motorways will be closed to traffic. When this mode is in operation, the motorway will be closed to all traffic. After making sure all vehicles have exited the motorway, automated water-tight gates will be opened to allow flood waters to pass through. The motorway will be reopened to traffic within 48 hours of closure. The report said that the SMART Tunnel was closed since 6pm on that Saturday for flood-mitigation works because of heavy rains, and its management is unsure when it will be re-opened. What "works"? So it was not smart enough to handle the huge volume of water but another million dollar project down the tunnel - so to speak. The construction was also featured in National Geographic (or is it Discovery) as one of our mega projects.

As some of our forum members said, the tunnel was closed quite a few times. So what good is it if it has to be closed so often. Perpetual Third Mode?

AllUrban
28-03-2008, 04:09 PM
The report said that the SMART Tunnel was closed since 6pm on that Saturday for flood-mitigation works because of heavy rains, and its management is unsure when it will be re-opened. What "works"? So it was not smart enough to handle the huge volume of water but another million dollar project down the tunnel - so to speak. The construction was also featured in National Geographic (or is it Discovery) as one of our mega projects.

As some of our forum members said, the tunnel was closed quite a few times. So what good is it if it has to be closed so often. Perpetual Third Mode?Here we go again...much of this was discussed back in June 07, when the road tunnel opened,

It was discussed back in September 07 when much of the Brickfield and Masjid Jamek area were flooded (the stormwater tunnel had not been finished then)...

And it was discussed earlier this year when the stormwater tunnel was completed...

I guess each and every time the tunnel is closed, people will be asking the same questions.

What works? The tunnel has to be cleaned. Thousands of tonnes of water washing through the tunnel, carrying silt and grease and oil and debris and waste from Ulu Klang and Ampang, has been rushing through the tunnel for hours while it was in mode 3...

There is no way allow of that will all wash away and leave the tunnel sparkling like your toilet bowl...

What else? Damage to the tunnel liner will occur...that has to be inspected and repaired. The road surface might be damaged so it would have to be inspected and repaired. Escape tunnels might be flooded or damaged...so they would have to be inspected and repaired.

Anything else? Perhap there will be bodies that have to be picked up from flooded cars, because the drivers were too busy paying attention to some signals from other motorists to notice that they could not get a slightly more important signal...when it was most needed

Cheers, m

PDL
28-03-2008, 05:46 PM
Have anyone considered this. The main purpose of the tunnel is for flood mitigation, i.e. to divert flood waters. It is only during periods when there is no heavy rain that it is open for vehicle traffic. It is wrong to assume that the tunnel is built for vehicle traffic and it's secondary purpose is for diverting flood waters.

kwchang
28-03-2008, 06:16 PM
No flood mitigation solutions and KL gets flooded, everyone screams at the authorities...
Give you a tunnel to prevent KL from being flooded (did anyone note that the usual Masjid Jamek area was not flooded during the recent heavy rains?), some people had to bash the authorities for the lack of vehicle passage.

What is wrong with you people?
Just a bunch of sour grapes perhaps?

And by the way, may I have an opinion poll if I should BAN PCYeoh for a few months for making those "tunnel" remarks ... I am sorry, I cannot understand what he was saying but since he mentioned stewardess' skirts, I suspect it must be lewd. :mad:

coleslaw
28-03-2008, 07:54 PM
no la chang..let pcyeoh be..anything less ,it would not be pcyeoh! :)

isarahim
28-03-2008, 08:21 PM
I am sorry, I cannot understand what he was saying but since he mentioned stewardess' skirts, I suspect it must be lewd.
LOL. No sex jokes here, we're Malaysians!!!!!!!!

blues
29-03-2008, 08:51 AM
And by the way, may I have an opinion poll if I should BAN PCYeoh for a few months for making those "tunnel" remarks ... I am sorry, I cannot understand what he was saying but since he mentioned stewardess' skirts, I suspect it must be lewd. :mad:

some banned without opinion,so as maybe necessary,your decision for PCY as well.

StonTemplePilot
29-03-2008, 09:45 AM
And by the way, may I have an opinion poll if I should BAN PCYeoh for a few months for making those "tunnel" remarks ... I am sorry, I cannot understand what he was saying but since he mentioned stewardess' skirts, I suspect it must be lewd. :mad:

Perhaps it is time for an adult threads section? :D

USJ27Resident
29-03-2008, 09:45 AM
Loosen up a bit larrr...

No larr... PCYeoh was only referring about one BN MP's famous remarks la... :p

kwchang
29-03-2008, 05:02 PM
.. PCYeoh was only referring about one BN MP's famous remarks la...
If that is what it was referring to, then I should ban PCYeoh for an even longer time because being sexist is worst than being lewd. :mad:

Unless PC comes to defend himself, I will execute a ban.

joker2107
29-03-2008, 07:42 PM
people who live in glasshouses should not throw stones, so the old adage goes.

pc (or is it chang) has rewritten it for this hitech era as :
those who dwelve in tunnels should not dig :D

praetor
30-03-2008, 01:21 PM
Greetings.

PCYeoh sure will not be PCYeoh if we don't let him speak what is in his mind right? So live and let live Chang. Back to the SMART tunnel issue. Don't any of us here realise that KL is not drowning in rainwater? If it was a mere 12 months ago with our volume of rainwater, you'd be crying that your Altis, Mercedes, Honda and a host of other expensive cars are spoilt for good. The SMART tunnel works beautifully for flood prevention for us but it's secondary purpose is for us to drive in that BIG LONGKANG. Yes it came out on Discovery and National Geographic Channel. It's a marvel that so many of us don't know what the SMART tunnel first function is.

Ave!

coleslaw
30-03-2008, 01:28 PM
chang,
if you were to read pcyeoh's post again, you'll find he mentioned the 'tunnel' topic with more sarcasm rather than being sexist about it.
pcyeoh's posts have always being colourful and it does brightens somewhat the otherwise dull forum.
leave him be la..i for one, do enjoy reading his posts. :)