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regines
18-03-2008, 01:03 PM
ANY ONE CAN RECOMENT ANY CENTRE OR COLLEGE OFFERING MBA COURSE IN USJ AREA ?

MY FREND RECOMENDED ME SEGI BUT SEGI dun want to continue with University of The Sunshine Coast Queensland, Australia, bcos their increased the course fees to RM35++.

Cassim
18-03-2008, 03:06 PM
ANY ONE CAN RECOMENT ANY CENTRE OR COLLEGE OFFERING MBA COURSE IN USJ AREA ?

MY FREND RECOMENDED ME SEGI BUT SEGI dun want to continue with University of The Sunshine Coast Queensland, Australia, bcos their increased the course fees to RM35++.
You should try the one offered by UM, cheaper but better course but difficult to get in.

mel&sun
18-03-2008, 03:45 PM
ANY ONE CAN RECOMENT ANY CENTRE OR COLLEGE OFFERING MBA COURSE IN USJ AREA ?

MY FREND RECOMENDED ME SEGI BUT SEGI dun want to continue with University of The Sunshine Coast Queensland, Australia, bcos their increased the course fees to RM35++.


Why did u opt for sunshine coast instead of southern queensland? I'm doin the southern queensland one.. not too bad.. ;)

555
18-03-2008, 03:58 PM
i did it in MMU cyberjaya, easy to graduate :)

fRaNkY
18-03-2008, 05:53 PM
Rezzen RM17k!

chewie
18-03-2008, 06:06 PM
i am starting my MBA with Segi (KL) from USQ... it cost RM31K for 2 years... will be having my first class on 5th April.

regines
18-03-2008, 08:44 PM
Why did u opt for sunshine coast instead of southern queensland? I'm doin the southern queensland one.. not too bad.. ;)

sounds interesting? how long is the duration ? is it 100% assignment based or need to go 4 exam ? u did it in which college ?? more info pls..

regines
18-03-2008, 08:45 PM
i am starting my MBA with Segi (KL) from USQ... it cost RM31K for 2 years... will be having my first class on 5th April.

my frends telling me the course no longer available..huh.. so, u r doing with segi kl ? how abt the usj campus, they have it ? wat course r u taking? wats the requirement ?

regines
18-03-2008, 08:49 PM
Rezzen RM17k!


cheap and interesting..more info pls..

mel&sun
19-03-2008, 01:02 AM
sounds interesting? how long is the duration ? is it 100% assignment based or need to go 4 exam ? u did it in which college ?? more info pls..


Doing it in Segi USJ. The course is about 2 yrs... it's 50% exam and 50% assignment.. kinda hoping that it would be good to have 100% exam based.. hehehe.. no need to do so much hardwork.. every subject would have a min of 1 assignment..

One thing good bout USQ is that you can opt for specialisation for the second year.. am opting for Business Law.

mel&sun
19-03-2008, 01:04 AM
You may also wanna try WMI (Women Management Institute - if i am not wrong) which has the programme by University of East London. They are based in TTDI

Cassim
19-03-2008, 01:08 AM
cheap and interesting..more info pls..
Why bother to do an MBA that is cheap? You need a credible MBA program from a credible institution otherwise why bother get an MBA that is cheap, quick and does not involve lecture/class work but only thesis? MBA is more of development one's management skills, interaction with peers, leadership quality devt., and confidence-building...

Did mine in UM in 1996 which cost RM1,400 per semester for 6 semesters, now that is really cheap, try beating that! I believe its just slightly more now only, still less than RM15,000 for the whole course. Be forewarned though, entry is tough and only about 40% finished or passed.

chewie
19-03-2008, 09:09 AM
cassim...spot on...at times if we looking at cheap MBA is no point....

Local Uni cannot accept my qualification as i just only have a cert. Local Uni min requirement is Degree for their MBA but I opt for Segi because

1) I met their min age requirement (30 years old and above) and also min working experience (10 years and above)

2) got weekend class so that my work will not be affected.

3) is in KL and near to LRT so is easy for transport.

mel&sun, your Segi is it in KL?

Different Uni will have different requirements. so far I can meet Segi requirements. but most important is you must have the determination for doing MBA.

There is a few thread on MBA. Although the thread is kinda old, it could help

1) http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=20804&highlight=MBA <-- latest by me

2) http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=19158&highlight=MBA

3) http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=18159&highlight=MBA

mel&sun
19-03-2008, 09:23 AM
[QUOTE=chewie]mel&sun, your Segi is it in KL?


Chewie.. mine is in USJ.. nearer to home :D

chewie
19-03-2008, 09:26 AM
haha...:) but i heard from the consultant that all new students will be in KL as SJ will not accept new student for MBA..... hmm...

rakyat
19-03-2008, 09:27 AM
Agree w. Cassim, getting a MBA is to improve your employment prospect & to gain cutting edge mgmt technique & skills to apply to your workplace.

It is no point shopping for the cheapest if the curricullum is outdated or irrelevent to you. Most MNC do not take the MBA on face value and will look at the Uni. accrediting it. It is important to obtain a MBA from a recognized business school if you want the cert to springboard you to senior mgmt. position.

On another note is there really an entrance requirement? I thot most will accept if u have at least 5 yrs working experience (w. basic degree)

chewie
19-03-2008, 09:53 AM
rakyat..yes...if you have a basic degree, for sure you will be accepted. but i do not have a degree or a diploma, thus i need to meet their minimum age requirement and also working experience.

555
19-03-2008, 10:01 AM
I do not quite agree. Cheaper MBA course doesn't mean lousy lecturers and syllabus. But you may not find good classmates in cheaper MBA classes , like those managers,directors or even CEO of companies. These people can speak a lot and share a lot in the class. These people earn well, they go to expensive MBA class.

If you are tight in budget, it's ok to choose a cheap MBA. What u need to know is the ideal, the approach, the method, the books u should read.

I suggest you to read as many as possible of those stories of success global companies , as well as some failed companies before u sign up the course,so that u have enough stories to tell in the class or for the assignment.

chewie
19-03-2008, 10:18 AM
there is pros and cons on MBA. Everywhere now also offering MBA. But are we sure of the creditibility of it. But all in the end, goes back to you. Can you take it? Can you able to balance work, family and studies? Some people do say there is no life while doing MBA but is all worth it.

I think distance learning or self study MBA is the cheapest (about RM20) but are you disipline enough to do it.

Other is the quality of the lecturer. And also if the MBA is recognise by LAN (if you plan to work for the government).

rakyat
19-03-2008, 10:38 AM
5s I did not say cheap MBAs are bad MBAs juz that cost should not be the main criteria instead emphasise on the syllabus.

Fr personal experinece during hiring, I ve seen alot of sub-standard MBA candidates and the alphabets do not add value.

Even hired some and they do not outperform their BA peers.

Some times wonder whether they still remember what was taught!!!

IMWHOIM
19-03-2008, 11:27 AM
I also recently search for MBA program and i had found one at Sunway University College which offer Victoria University MBA. Anyone have any idea how is that course rating?

sarawakian
19-03-2008, 11:45 AM
ANY ONE CAN RECOMENT ANY CENTRE OR COLLEGE OFFERING MBA COURSE IN USJ AREA ?

MY FREND RECOMENDED ME SEGI BUT SEGI dun want to continue with University of The Sunshine Coast Queensland, Australia, bcos their increased the course fees to RM35++.

Regines, have a look at this site.

http://www.malaysiaeducationguide.com/mba_courses.htm

This has some useful info :)

fRaNkY
19-03-2008, 02:17 PM
cheap and interesting..more info pls..

Sorry, I am not their agent :D

http://www.rezzen.com.my/website/index.php?target=postgraduate&section=mba

A few of my colleague had graduate from there.

I heard they have a site at central.

plantcloner
19-03-2008, 03:44 PM
ANY ONE CAN RECOMENT ANY CENTRE OR COLLEGE OFFERING MBA COURSE IN USJ AREA ?

MY FREND RECOMENDED ME SEGI BUT SEGI dun want to continue with University of The Sunshine Coast Queensland, Australia, bcos their increased the course fees to RM35++.

Shunshine Coast has received AACSB accreditation and has decided to move away from all but one of the overseas markets. They have pulled out from their very successful China market with Shanghai JiaoTung University too. This is the real story....(I'm not at liberty to disclose further...sorry )

I understand why you want USC....assignment-based. But mind you, the workload would have been heavier too with weekly deadlines of work to be submitted, online forum to attend etc.

:(

HAN2
19-03-2008, 11:37 PM
Many companies will hire MBAs and pay their worth if they are good MBAs from credible universities. You may end up disappointed if you find out later after your graduation, RM35K spent, and 2 years of lifeless existence, that you have not been given/accorded the appropriate treatment in terms of financial remuneration or peer respect, which you thought should be expected with an MBA after your name.... do think about it seriously. I am talking from experience of turning down requests for raise & promotions from some of my subordinates with MBAs from universities they don't even know where they are located...

great
20-03-2008, 03:23 AM
How to choose a MBA course

By YEOW POOI LING

educate@thestar.com.my

MANY people want to do a MBA but do not know how to choose the programme that fits them, says University of Strathclyde business school associate dean Dr Colin Eden.

“The MBA does not provide the same easy privilege it did 20 years ago.

“It is not a promise; instead it has become a progression for self-development,” he says, adding that this could only be achieved if the MBA is designed for that development.

“No one will hire you simply on the basis of the MBA. The true test of the MBA is whether you can put into the practice the knowledge in an organisation,” he notes.

The MBA, he adds, is aimed at making managers better and more outstanding in the workplace.

“One should be pursing a MBA to learn to do things better,” says Dr Eden, who is also the business school's international division director.

According to him, while anyone could offer a MBA, the track record of a programme is important.

Additionally, students should find out about the subjects offered and if these fit into their future career path.

And accreditations and international rankings received by the business school are vital.

“Are the lecturers well established in the industry? What do they write about? Do they have organisational experience? This is important as it brings the subject to life,” says Dr Eden.

He also advises students to talk to some of the alumni who have completed the programme at least two years ago and find out what they think about the MBA now.

“They usually have different appraisals compared with those who have just graduated,” he says.

Finally, students – especially for those who are part-timers – should find out the support system available such as access to an electronic library or journals.

The Strathclyde MBA programme, established 40 years ago, is now offered on a part-time basis in nine international centres – Bahrain, Dubai and Abu Dhabi, Hong Kong, Greece, Oman, Shanghai, Singapore, Zurich and Malaysia.

“We don’t offer online studies as we believe in learning from face-to-face interaction,” Dr Eden said.

About 500 students graduate from the programme every year, including full-time students in Glasgow. In the recent October intake, it saw about 210 new students from the international centres.

Scottish lecturers travel to the international centres to conduct intensive seminars while local counsellors are available to help the students.

“We conduct interviews with potential students on their motivation, experience and objectives of taking the MBA,” says Dr Eden.

The Strathclyde business school has triple accreditations – AMBA (Association of MBAs, the United Kingdom), EQUIS (European Foundation for Management Development, Brussels) and AACBS (Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business, the United States).

http://thestar.com.my/education/story.asp?file=/2007/12/9/education/19607217

regines
20-03-2008, 07:19 PM
i heard abt online MBA from a frend.. anyone know abt dis ?

chewie
21-03-2008, 01:36 PM
online mba...as i said it requires disipline.. can u handle it...

my advice is go for the one from USQ

555
21-03-2008, 01:48 PM
Online MBA - not that good - because you don't have chance to talk, to present team discussion and etc.

isabelle
21-03-2008, 07:24 PM
One rule of thumb. If it is an "easy" MBA, then it is probably not worth the paper it is printed on.

isabelle
22-03-2008, 08:14 AM
On another note is there really an entrance requirement? I thot most will accept if u have at least 5 yrs working experience (w. basic degree)

Normally, a 'standard' MBA entrance requirement follows this natural progression - PMR + SPM + STPM (or foundation studies) + Bachelor Degree + Work Experience. A good MBA university would require a good Hons degree plus years of relevant working experience. There are also MBA 'university' which allows the shortcut - from PMR or SPM to MBA. The acid test is to gather all your academic qualification plus your years of work experience and approach Universiti of Malaya and see if they admit you or not. If they do, then you have probably met the requirements that you have really met the entrance requirement of a MBA. Of course if you want to have a higher benchmark, approach National University of Singapore. Of if you must have your MBA irregardless, approach Mo Tak Teng University, c/o 666 (1st floor, back alley), Petaling Street, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

Good luck.

isabelle
22-03-2008, 08:21 AM
NUS Business School

Students in the NUS MBA are leaders with strong desire and drive for academic and business excellence. We help groom leaders for the global marketplace who are motivated, mature, focused and have a desire to contribute to their firms and society.

Candidates must satisfy the following entry requirements for the MBA Program.

Good Undergraduate Degree: Applicants must have a strong academic record in any undergraduate field from a reputable academic institution.

Work Experience: Applicants must have a minimum of two years full-time post-graduation work experience. Special consideration will be given to applicants with 1st Class Honours or higher degrees and have work experience that may be less than the required two years.

GMAT: Good Analytical Writing Assessment, Verbal, Quantitative and Total GMAT scores are required. The NUS GMAT codes are DRT-MK-35 for the Full Time MBA or DRT-MK-59 for the Part Time MBA. Visit mba.com for more information.

TOEFL/IELTS: TOEFL Applicants whose undergraduate degree was not in English are required to submit TOEFL or IELTS scores. The TOEFL code for NUS is 9082 Department Code 02. The IELTS code for NUS is 0677. Visit ets.org/toefl or ielts.org for more information.

Interview: Short-listed applicants will be interviewed and may be required to take further evaluation tests.

ABC University

32 years old and above without degree or diploma with at least 5 years working experience in a supervisory / middle managerial capacity and satisfactory 100 words write-up on work experience in English.

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By the way, the following is what a 100 words write-up looks like, a four-line paragraph:

Students in the NUS MBA are leaders with strong desire and drive for academic and business excellence. We help groom leaders for the global marketplace who are motivated, mature, focused and have a desire to contribute to their firms and society. Candidates must satisfy the following entry requirements for the MBA Program. Good Undergraduate Degree: Applicants must have a strong academic record in any undergraduate field from a reputable academic institution. Work Experience: Applicants must have a minimum of two years full-time post-graduation work experience. Special consideration will be given to applicants with 1st Class Honours or higher

chewie
22-03-2008, 08:49 AM
every uni will have their pros and cons ... but in the end all up to the students...

if u r from NUS but you cannot stand out its still will be the same....

i like my ABC Uni... i know people who are from there and now holding top position in MNC company ...

isabelle
22-03-2008, 08:56 AM
every uni will have their pros and cons ... but in the end all up to the students...

if u r from NUS but you cannot stand out its still will be the same....

i like my ABC Uni... i know people who are from there and now holding top position in MNC company ...

I wasn't referring to you. It is of no concern to me whether you are from Harvard or ABC University. I don't give a rat's ass as if the CEOs from MNC companies graduated from ABC University. I am just giving a general comment for information only. What I was said was that normally, to obtain a Masters degree in any discipline, there is a natural progession path.

isabelle
22-03-2008, 09:12 AM
Many companies are now quite wary and stringent when hopeful candidates throw their MBA certificates on the desk during interviews. Most companies would ask candidates to list down the natural progression of their education history. That is why I wasn't been frivolous when I mentioned about PMR and SPM in my previous post.

Sector 2814
22-03-2008, 09:27 AM
<b>Segi College</b>
- You have to be careful. In brochures, all kinds of subjects are being offered either as prerequisite or elections. A standard brochure.
- But after a certain advanced stage, the KL office no longer offer the broad range of election subjects and you will have to travel to its USJ office in order to take certain subjects that you wanted to.
- So, if distance is your concern, you'll be stucked with whatever subjects that Segi is offering in that particular location, i.e. limited choices due to location.
- Their reason is because no enough students to warrant the opening of classes in all Segi offices. Fair enough to Segi, but not too fair for bone fide students.
- Its happening to my friend now who is taking Segi's USQ MBA - General, in KL.

<b>Which MBA?</b>
- Not really need to pick the most prestigious MBA. Unless money is not a concern.
- A good enough MBA would suffice. As long as not the ciplak one.
- Because normally recruitment notice would spell out "Either a Degree from a reputable institution or an MBA is preferred".
- Meaning, a Degree's predigree is more important to employers, whereas an MBA is more of a personal enhancement that makes an individual think and initiative to excel.

chewie
22-03-2008, 09:34 AM
yes i agree, but some companies do not see what you have, is see what you can do... yes u can have master or even phd but if cannot perform up to expectation it still the same..

my friend interviewed a guy. the person showed his MBA from a top uni, my friend just ask a few simple question and he cannot answer him. sometimes, working experience does count.

I am a SPM and a cert holder. but the job that i am doing now, is a degree holder post and it takes a lot of communication/experience to be there, but i am there. so now what i need is just a piece of 'paper' to take me go further that why i take MBA. i had consulted a lot of people including some experience ppl, should i go for degree first then mba or directly to mba. almost 99% tell me to go for MBA as I have enough working experience to back me up.

some people are lucky, after SPM can go take STPM/A-Levels then to diploma then to degree. some are not. i belong to the some are not category. i started work right after SPM, then a few years later, did some studies then got a cert... from there where my IT career took of and brought me to where i am today.

the most important is the person attitude and determination. what he want to do in life...

chewie
22-03-2008, 09:36 AM
<b>Segi College</b>
- You have to be careful. In brochures, all kinds of subjects are being offered either as prerequisite or elections. A standard brochure.
- But after a certain advanced stage, the KL office no longer offer the broad range of election subjects and you will have to travel to its USJ office in order to take certain subjects that you wanted to.
- So, if distance is your concern, you'll be stucked with whatever subjects that Segi is offering in that particular location, i.e. limited choices due to location.
- Their reason is because no enough students to warrant the opening of classes in all Segi offices. Fair enough to Segi, but not too fair for bone fide students.
- Its happening to my friend now who is taking Segi's USQ MBA - General, in KL.



thanks sector. yes i am going to start my mba in kl. april intake. but if they want me to go to USJ, is also no problem for me as i am staying in PJ... so is kind off in the middle between KL and USJ. furthermore my classes are weekends.. :)

isabelle
22-03-2008, 09:46 AM
I am a SPM and a cert holder. but the job that i am doing now, is a degree holder post and it takes a lot of communication/experience to be there, but i am there. so now what i need is just a piece of 'paper' to take me go further that why i take MBA. i had consulted a lot of people including some experience ppl, should i go for degree first then mba or directly to mba. almost 99% tell me to go for MBA as I have enough working experience to back me up.

some people are lucky, after SPM can go take STPM/A-Levels then to diploma then to degree. some are not. i belong to the some are not category. i started work right after SPM, then a few years later, did some studies then got a cert... from there where my IT career took of and brought me to where i am today.

the most important is the person attitude and determination. what he want to do in life...

I don't need your life history write-up here. As I have said before, you are of no consequence to me. You can get your Ph.D from Ah Kow University and go far to become the CEO of KPMG for all I care. I am not the least interested. As I said, I was just posting for information to others only. I was not aiming at you or anybody.

isabelle
22-03-2008, 09:51 AM
my friend interviewed a guy. the person showed his MBA from a top uni, my friend just ask a few simple question and he cannot answer him. sometimes, working experience does count.

Some interviewers are asses. It depends on what the interviewer asks. You can be equipped with PMR + SPM + STPM + BSc (Hons) + MBA + Ph.D + 30 years of work experience and if the interview asks you this question and demands a discussion, do you think you can answer?

"Foucault also argues that madness was silenced by Reason, losing its power to signify the limits of social order and to point to the truth. He examines the rise of scientific and "humanitarian" treatments of the insane, notably at the hands of Philippe Pinel and Samuel Tuke. He claims that these new treatments were in fact no less controlling than previous methods. Tuke's country retreat for the mad consisted of punishing the madmen until they learned to act "reasonably". Similarly, Pinel's treatment of the mad amounted to an extended aversion therapy, including such treatments as freezing showers and use of a straitjacket. In Foucault's view, this treatment amounted to repeated brutality until the pattern of judgment and punishment was internalized by the patient".

chewie
22-03-2008, 09:59 AM
yes..some interviewer are a**es... i been throught it... when i answer him, he does not know what i meant. he ask me technical question and i answer him in a technical way lar... but then i found out actually he is from HR.

yea..some interviewer really ask stupid questions. but some are asking direct and sensible question which is simple.

my colleague interviewed a guy from a local uni. very good result... but ask him question and he answer in a different language..

555
22-03-2008, 12:57 PM
some interviewers are a**es
some MBA graduates are useless.
some SPM leavers are genius
some Havard graduates are lousy
some ABC university graduates are excellent

plantcloner
22-03-2008, 01:58 PM
every uni will have their pros and cons ... but in the end all up to the students...

if u r from NUS but you cannot stand out its still will be the same....

i like my ABC Uni... i know people who are from there and now holding top position in MNC company ...

Chosing an MBA programme is not easy, but there are many options available. Most programmes available in Malaysia are part-time in nature, but many of those like Havard, NUS etc do demand on campus full time study. So even if you have the money and grades, your job or occupation may not allow you to take up those courses.

As I have been in the education line for a long time I will offer one piece of advice to anyone wishing to study for an MBA......NEVER, NEVER, NEVER enrol in any of those "underground" universities. Your name will be forever tarnished and employers will check and the only conclusion that can be made of anyone offering MBA / DBA or PhD from such degree mills is: you are dishonest and not worth considering for jobs (or even as a business associates).

All private colleges that offer MBA will, by ACTA 555 need to have secured the necessary approvals from the Ministry of Higher Education (incidentally, LAN is now called MQA and the public uni will have to be subjected, I hope to the same quality requirements as the private colleges/uni). So you are safe enough in that sense. Do check their approval status with the MQA's site http://www.mqa.gov.my/eskp/index.cfm

There are 3 stages to approval of a course, Kelulusan, Akreditasi Provisional and Akreditasi....this should be shown in the list of any institutions that you are interested in. Accredited courses will be put in the Malaysian Qualification Registry (http://www.mqa.gov.my/mqr/index.htm).

As to knowing if a foreign MBA is from an underground uni......please just PM me and I will assist.

HAN2
23-03-2008, 12:04 AM
some interviewers are a**es
some MBA graduates are useless.
some SPM leavers are genius
some Havard graduates are lousy - HIGHLY UNLIKELY. U CAN'T GET INTO HARVARD IF YOU'RE LOUSY, LEAVE ALONE GRADUATE AS LOUSY!
some ABC university graduates are excellent
It is almost impossible to do a Harvard MBA - the full MBA - not the Harvard Executive Development Program type...

One even have to have someone from the family tree who had been in Harvard.

Oh BTW Ananda Krishnan is a Harvard graduate, is he lousy? And his roomate in Harvard was a guy by the name of Faisal bin Aziz who later became His Majesty King Faisal of Saudi Arabia... lots of oil!

And the roomate became an oil broker, thats MBA networking for you, man!

HAN2
23-03-2008, 12:10 AM
Many companies are now quite wary and stringent when hopeful candidates throw their MBA certificates on the desk during interviews. Most companies would ask candidates to list down the natural progression of their education history. That is why I wasn't been frivolous when I mentioned about PMR and SPM in my previous post.
I mentioned this earlier but I guess it has fallen on deaf ears. My contention is like what you have stated - why bother to do an MBA if going through the course does not make you become a strategic thinker / manager, build good management skills, good presenter and good at arguing a point, and build leadership skills.

Sure, some MBAs from ABC University did make it to become CEOs of some MNCs, how many? They are probably Manager by Accident (MBA also) or if its their fathers' companies, its Manager by Appointment (MBA also...) :D

isabelle
23-03-2008, 12:16 AM
if u r from NUS but you cannot stand out its still will be the same....

i like my ABC Uni... i know people who are from there and now holding top position in MNC company ...

I agree with you on this point. It sure is easier to stand out in a ABC University than NUS.

555
23-03-2008, 12:55 PM
And the roomate became an oil broker, thats MBA networking for you, man!

Yes, one of the reason to join a famous MBA is to get to network - to get know some CEO, MD classmates who might give u some business or hire you to work in their company.

in Malaysia, it's easier to network to get business by joining MCA or UMNO than any MBA

racheljansz
23-03-2008, 01:34 PM
Yes, one of the reason to join a famous MBA is to get to network - to get know some CEO, MD classmates who might give u some business or hire you to work in their company.

in Malaysia, it's easier to network to get business by joining MCA or UMNO than any MBA get business by joining MCA or UMNO than any MBA Right to the point.
But with the winds of change I hope this networking will be more transparent and accountable.
Nowadays MBA is like a degree way back about 3 decade ago.
It is a popular choice of certificates.
Degree no more laku.
I, also have people telling me 'A' levels is tougher than MBA!
In MBA they can get help whereas during 'A' level exams there is no help and time is the pressure.:D

isabelle
23-03-2008, 01:47 PM
I, also have people telling me 'A' levels is tougher than MBA! In MBA they can get help whereas during 'A' level exams there is no help and time is the pressure.:D

You are right. Nowadays all you need is to be able to write a 100-word "something" to qualify you to do a MBA. If my memory serves me, the General Paper in A Levels required more than a 100-word "something"!

Sentinel
23-03-2008, 02:21 PM
If you look in the Sunday papers, there are more adverts on MBA courses than there are other services advertised. Thats why its important to get 'the right MBA' otherwise, like Han2 just said, whats the point? Just because everyone is rushing home at 5.30pm for their "MBA class" doesn't mean you should join the band wagon.

Will I hire an MBA? Depends on the person holding the MBA cert and not the other way around. MBA helps but if the person holding it thinks and behave and works like a B.Econ, I might as well hire the B.Econ chappy and groom him up with his right work attitude and later sponsor him for his MBA on company money and company time in a good uni. to sharpen his 'strategic thinking'.

mikoloh
24-03-2008, 09:45 AM
ANY ONE CAN RECOMENT ANY CENTRE OR COLLEGE OFFERING MBA COURSE IN USJ AREA ?

MY FREND RECOMENDED ME SEGI BUT SEGI dun want to continue with University of The Sunshine Coast Queensland, Australia, bcos their increased the course fees to RM35++.


Dear all,

I am a freelance MBA lecturer in the Klang Valley for several different MBAs including the ones offered by SEGI. I am also a corporate trainer.

As for alternative MBAs, you could try visiting www.netacademy.com.my

They offer a 100% assignment based MBA with 10 modules that can be finished within 18 months for around RM23K from United Business Institutes,Belgium.

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Need further consultation pls contact

Albert Lim
Adjunct Professor
United Business Institutes
019-571-5110

mtsen
24-04-2008, 09:04 PM
For those who has taken or taking MBA now ...

I am interested to know what subjects or modules have you gone through, doing it now and what are their text books.

Do you have regular meetup for discussions ?

Please share it here ....

HAN2
24-04-2008, 09:23 PM
For those who has taken or taking MBA now ...

I am interested to know what subjects or modules have you gone through, doing it now and what are their text books.

Do you have regular meetup for discussions ?

Please share it here ....It depends very much on what you want your MBA for... i.e. what are you specialising. Some MBAs, like the one offered by UM, is generalist ie.e covers economics, finance, business law, marketing, IT, strategic management, human resource management and even business ethics. This program is good for one preparing to be CEO of an organisation.

There are more specific MBA programs like MBA in Finance (Hull) MBA in Marketing (Strathclyde) etc for very specific fields of expertise.

The answer to your question - what do you want for MBA for?

Chloe3111
24-04-2008, 09:53 PM
Yes, the most important is what do u want from this MBA... just an additional qualification for our career development or enhance your knowledge....

If just want the paper for your career advancement, then any university MBA can help... maybe a cheap & easy one.

But if you want that knowledge, then I believe by reading more books, newspapers, business magazines will definitely help you more than just attending the classes. (Don't expect too much from the classes & lecturers)

I done my MBA at Help Institute at RM 24k for 2 years course (graduated in 2002). but don't know the fee schedule now. The course is 100% assignment based, 3 assignments for each subject. Only 1 weekend (2 days) lectured classes. The rest are all team discussion, self reading .... This will force you to be independent & trained to be resourceful in information.... Of course force you to read newspapers, business magazines, not only locally but international news... as you will be required to comment on other country's economic & business culture. Quite an interesting one.

Again, MBA is not a undergraduate course, U should explore yourself to more reality scenario, discuss it in your assignments & thesis. It is not like a undergraduate which u need to memorise theories for exam. So, DON'T go for MBA with 100% exam. You won't learn much. The more assignments / thesis, the better, as u will flexibly use the theories + reality facts + your opinions = your reinvention... ENJOY your MBA....

birdy
25-04-2008, 08:56 AM
A slight deviation from what you all have discussed.... I am just wondering, do one really need MBA if he or she has a stable job and/or income? Of course, I am aware that qualification plays an important role in career development. For those already in the corporate ladder, isn't it experience are more important that solely qualifications? I don't mean to start arguing but just put up my thoughts for challenge only. I did consider taking MBA before this but due to financial constraints, I have held back the decision. Now, looks like MBA is not required for me as I can't be hopping around in the job market anymore.

tangkf
28-06-2008, 10:40 AM
... Now, looks like MBA is not required for me as I can't be hopping around in the job market anymore.
For many IT professionals out there who rised to the top with strong capability and experience but without a recognised first degree, think twice. You may be having a great professionally satisfyinig job now or in a stable managerial position - most (if I may guess, likely in a vendor type company). There may come a day much later in your career when you are above 40, and suddenly you realise you want to settle in an end-user environment, or go into teaching at a University.

You may realise these end-user types of companies usually have some stingy HR policy that prohibit persons without degree to be hired as Manager! Mind you, chances are your post-graduate diploma in IT is not recognised as equivalent to a degree in such comapnies! you may want to call up a few HR depts to find out. so, while you can, go for a qualification now. at the time of writing, i am not even sure if an MBA or a Master in IT alone without 1st degree lets you in at managerial level. If you do find out, please let me know.

maurice lim
28-06-2008, 12:11 PM
You may realise these end-user types of companies usually have some stingy HR policy that prohibit persons without degree to be hired as Manager! Mind you, chances are your post-graduate diploma in IT is not recognised as equivalent to a degree in such comapnies! you may want to call up a few HR depts to find out. so, while you can, go for a qualification now. at the time of writing, i am not even sure if an MBA or a Master in IT alone without 1st degree lets you in at managerial level. If you do find out, please let me know.

Many good companies with established management policies (I won't say HR policies but management policies) want to know the history of your education and look for natural progression. I am not here to argue with the usual "I have a degree in life" and of course you can always argue that Bill Gates and Jerry Yang don't even have their Masters etc and all that. But then you are no Bill Gates or Jerry Yang. I am saying these companies want to know your education history (apart from your work experience) and the natural progression is that one finishes Form 5 and goes to Form 6 (or Foundation Studies etc), then one gets a Bachelor degree, then a Masters and then a DBA or Ph.D. There are no short cuts.

You mentioned about working in universities. If you want to teach degree courses, the minimum requirement is a Masters in that specialized subject and it means that your Bachelor degree has to be in that subject as well. For example, if you have a Bachelor degree specialized in Software Engineering - then your Masters have to be in Software Engineering. You cannot have a Masters in Psychology and then teach Psychology to students. This is a requirement by the various statutory bodies. No short cuts. A DBA maybe good for the corporate world but not necessarily so if you want to even be a assistant professor in reputable universities. Good universities go for Ph.Ds.

I have read the thread on UM but I would like to mention that Ph.Ds from UM are regarded highly, much more than DBAs from university colleges.

Feel free to disagree with everything I have said.

HAN2
28-06-2008, 12:44 PM
I have read the thread on UM but I would like to mention that Ph.Ds from UM are regarded highly, much more than DBAs from university colleges.
Whats your authority on this, can you be more specific?

I'm in the midst of deciding a DBA or PhD in USM Penang or WOU or ITD Penang and give up corporate life and semi-retire back in good ole Penang by the beach, monorial or no monorail is okay, I have my Honda EX5 cubchai....

maurice lim
28-06-2008, 01:00 PM
Whats your authority on this, can you be more specific?

I'm in the midst of deciding a DBA or PhD in USM Penang or WOU or ITD Penang and give up corporate life and semi-retire back in good ole Penang by the beach, monorial or no monorail is okay, I have my Honda EX5 cubchai....

It depends on your intention and need. If you wish to semi-retire and do occasional consultancy work etc, then the DBA is a good degree. If you want to teach in a university, then go for the Ph.D. The reason why I say this is because many would decide on the DBA and later want to teach. A Ph.D holder in a specialized subject earns good money - RM350 per hour for some specializations. But of course one can earn even more doing consultancy work. I am just stating some facts. To me one must have a passion to teach. A Ph.D holder must have a passion to do continual research and to encourage his/her students to excel. It is not about money.

maurice lim
28-06-2008, 01:04 PM
I'm in the midst of deciding a DBA or PhD in USM Penang or WOU or ITD Penang

WOU does not offer a DBA or Ph.D.

HAN2
28-06-2008, 02:18 PM
WOU does not offer a DBA or Ph.D.
I know. Looks like I need to do at USM then. Or the DBA program offered by Univ of South Australia at ITD Penang. PM me your details can, we can meet for a latte at Starbucks Summit? Need to decide quickly. My aim is :

i. go back stay in Penang for good,
ii. semi retire and do my DBA/PhD and do some teaching to keep my mind active (besides some mid-level sudoku). Dr. Han2, eh not bad lah!!! :D
iii. consultation later on since I have 26 yrs in reputable MNCs.

PM me your contact, can?

maurice lim
28-06-2008, 03:39 PM
Han2. If you intend to teach in universities, then you would need a Ph.D and the research has to be in the area which you have done your Bachelor Degree. If you have a MBA, you may do a Ph.D doing research on management practices, business theories etc etc. As I gathered from your posts here and other threads, you have a Bachelor and a Masters from UM. There are many perceptions out there (which may be true and which may not necessarily be) but UM degrees are still highly regarded, especially those which were obtained quite some years ago. Whether you want to teach full time or part time in the future, your Ph.D will go a long way as compared to a DBA. DBAs are more suited for the Corporate and Consultancy. Or as most eminent professors would tell you, a Ph.D is a real doctorate.

I would recommend you do a Ph.D with USM. It is a lot tougher than a DBA but it is worth it in the end.

:)

HAN2
28-06-2008, 03:53 PM
Han2. If you intend to teach in universities, then you would need a Ph.D and the research has to be in the area which you have done your Bachelor Degree. If you have a MBA, you may do a Ph.D doing research on management practices, business theories etc etc. As I gathered from your posts here and other threads, you have a Bachelor and a Masters from UM. There are many perceptions out there (which may be true and which may not necessarily be) but UM degrees are still highly regarded, especially those which were obtained quite some years ago. Whether you want to teach full time or part time in the future, your Ph.D will go a long way as compared to a DBA. DBAs are more suited for the Corporate and Consultancy. Or as most eminent professors would tell you, a Ph.D is a real doctorate.

I would recommend you do a Ph.D with USM. It is a lot tougher than a DBA but it is worth it in the end.

:)
Perhaps you're right. I am more inclined at PhD in Management Science (but I hate the research part lah...) but my intention is not teaching brader. I just wanna teach to keep busy. After my PhD I wanna be setting up my own management consultancy practice in Penang... heh heh

The reason I was thinking of DBA is because my basic degree is BBA and then MBA - hey very nice rhyme right?

Dr. Hantu BBA, MBA, DBA
Chief Troublemaker Officer
USJ.com forum

Yes, you're right, I am from the early batch of UM back in the wah! so long ago ah?

maurice lim
29-06-2008, 03:39 PM
A BBA, MBA and DBA sound about right. Another example would be a Bachelor of Engineering (UM), Master's in Engineering Science UM and Ph.D in Electrical Engineering (UM). Or Bachelor of Education (UM), Master's in Education (Harvard) and Ph.D in Education (USM). In other words, it shows natural progression.

Be doubtful of those with SPM and then MBA or PMR, then some obscure certifications and then MBA. Or worse still, PMR, some obscure certifications and then DBA. I know. We will always get arguments of those who are very intelligent but have no money to study their undergraduate degrees and now they can afford to do their MBAs. I know life is very unfair to them. But then life is also very unfair for those who have to sweat to do their SPM, STPM, Bachelor Degree and then MBA.

The way Malaysia is allowing it, many MBAs are not worth the paper they are printed on. They remind me of the Mickey Mouse song. And to think some of us (older folks) worked our socks off to study for our MBAs.

:)

maurice lim
08-07-2008, 07:40 PM
This message is for Han2. Your box was full and I was unable to send.

Good. USM has a good and solid DBA. I remember what you wrote before in the forum. It is all about how much you are prepared to put into it. If your thirst and passion for knowledge is there, you would be putting in the hours of reading happily and (you said this before somewhere as well) the DBA becomes more meaningful. Good luck to you and all the best.

HAN2
08-07-2008, 07:44 PM
This message is for Han2. Your box was full and I was unable to send.

Good. USM has a good and solid DBA. I remember what you wrote before in the forum. It is all about how much you are prepared to put into it. If your thirst and passion for knowledge is there, you would be putting in the hours of reading happily and (you said this before somewhere as well) the DBA becomes more meaningful. Good luck to you and all the best.

Thanks brader... I am now back in Penang already. For good.......

maurice lim
08-07-2008, 07:55 PM
Thanks brader... I am now back in Penang already. For good.......

Friend. It is a long and sometimes very lonely journey but it is worth it. And enjoy the journey to arrive at a worthwhile destination. All the best.

HAN2
09-07-2008, 12:45 AM
Friend. It is a long and sometimes very lonely journey but it is worth it. And enjoy the journey to arrive at a worthwhile destination. All the best.
I know and I expected it. But I don't think it will be lonely... a lot different from the corporate madhouse I was in but I even think I would enjoy it, otherwise I won't take this crazy decision.

Who knows, if the YB Member of Parliament for Jelutong is friendly enough to buy me a teh tarek once a while, why not? But he is not free man now, very busy, all friends also forgotten.

sarawakian
09-07-2008, 02:09 PM
Off the main vein, but I think nowadays, Subang jaya has many coleges with MBA offerings. There are:

a. Monash malaysia
b. Metropolitan College with Curtin (AUS)MBA
c. Inti College with Conventry Uni (UK) MBA and some Master's
d. Taylor's University College -Professional Master

:D