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Jey
11-03-2008, 11:40 AM
Got this from an email. Looks like YB Teresa Kok of Taman Seputeh.

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hhtee
11-03-2008, 11:43 AM
Now, for 50 years, why NONE of our MCA or MIC or UMNO ever thought of that?

Thank you Yang Berhormat. You love your people and your people love you back.

Those who love themselves and their own pocket, I am sure the people will hate you! :)

monkey01
11-03-2008, 11:44 AM
We have indeed, voted the real "MALAYSIA". :)

pepsi
11-03-2008, 11:50 AM
Wah, so fast got down to work. I hope the rest have started "rolling up their sleeves" to see how the can improve their constituencies.

silver_bird
11-03-2008, 11:51 AM
GE 2008 - P 122 Seputeh

1. DAP Teresa Kok = 47,230
2. BN Carol Chew = 10,738

Majority = 36,492 (Record !!!)

Jey
11-03-2008, 12:04 PM
An amazing majority... and this is what Muhibbah is all about. Bravo!!

AllUrban
11-03-2008, 03:01 PM
Wah, so fast got down to work. I hope the rest have started "rolling up their sleeves" to see how the can improve their constituencies.actually, she installed the signs last month, before the election was called...

And they arent actually approved by the DBKL...but I dont mind..>>Good for you Theresa!

Cheers, m

firefox
12-03-2008, 01:40 PM
Way to go Theresa, hope many who also got elected work fast and become effective as well..Its now the time to proof that you all can carry out the promises made before the election.

tiong
14-03-2008, 07:55 AM
actually this is a small thing she had done,

but the idea is good, its prove that we are multi races.

it is still a long way for her to prove herself, cause the main concern of residence is income, safety and education.

tsd
14-03-2008, 08:22 AM
I think the Bahasa Malaysia for the road sign is enough already. No point spending extra money just to show that you are multi-racial.

As for tourist, even though the Bahasa Malaysia sounds alien to them, what they need to do is to remember the aphabets and compare to whatever travel guide that they have, that should be good enough. It gives them more excitement hunting down the streets names.

yvonnefoong
14-03-2008, 09:32 AM
Yes, I think road names are more symbolic than explanatory. When we see 'Jalan Perencak', our minds do not search an imaginary dictionary to see if the word bears a meaning that explains the street. Nor does a foreign word needs translation into a comprehensible language before we recognize the street. It's symbolic.

In fact, I would think a street in too many languages is confusing when two person with different mother tongues share information. Imagine this scenario...

Ah Chong: Go straight on Jalan Kewajipan until the first traffic light.
Muthu: Jalan what? What's it called in tamil?

gary yap
14-03-2008, 09:52 AM
I understand what you meant but it's good effort to put in all 4 languages. If Muthu is talking to someone other than an Indian, I doubt he is stupid to ask Chong what it's called in Tamil. On another note, an Indian expat can relate to the place easily. All signboards in S'pore, especially the 'CAUTION' ones have 4 main languages.

umadavid
14-03-2008, 12:40 PM
I think the name will all sound the same in the respective languages, won't it? The only difference then would be that the people who only know their own language can read it themselves instead of asking people what is written on the signboards.

bslee
14-03-2008, 01:01 PM
I just think it should always be plain and simple Jalan Xxxxxx. Period!. It should conform to required size for best view and can be EASILY seen by everyone is paramount. More languages means larger signboard and waste of money as metal/materials are not any cheaper now.
Still don't understand or can't read, can politely ask anyone there to answer.

GreenBug
14-03-2008, 01:09 PM
I think the name will all sound the same in the respective languages, won't it? The only difference then would be that the people who only know their own language can read it themselves instead of asking people what is written on the signboards.
Well, if its Jalan Pudu, it should just remain as Jalan Pudu. Tell a Chinese taxi driver Jalan Pudu and he will reply "ahhh Pun Sam Pah" and tell him Pun Sam Pah and he will say "ahhhh Jalan Pudu".. :mad:

I think the JALAN part should just stay status quo... I am Chinese but trust me I don't read Chinese and it doesn't bother me what Jalan Bukit Bintang means to me in Chinese... worst still, if a tourist ask me a place in Chinese, I won't be able to tell him/her the road in Chinese.

Teresa, there are "bigger" things than just symbolic, get down to do the real work. Leave the road signs alone.

xweird
14-03-2008, 01:19 PM
I believe this was in response to the Jawi language being introduced on road signs earlier on... I mean, how many Malaysians can read Jawi?

bslee
14-03-2008, 01:57 PM
I mean, how many Malaysians can read Jawi?

I believe this episode is one of those issues of having a gahmen with more than 2/3 majority. Malaysia is NOT ready for such implementation and in actual fact, not a neccessity in the present time. Quite typical of BN led, do first, talk later, but actually you can't talk about it..it really means don't defy!. :cool:

Jey
14-03-2008, 02:24 PM
Yes, I think road names are more symbolic than explanatory. When we see 'Jalan Perencak', our minds do not search an imaginary dictionary to see if the word bears a meaning that explains the street. Nor does a foreign word needs translation into a comprehensible language before we recognize the street. It's symbolic.

In fact, I would think a street in too many languages is confusing when two person with different mother tongues share information. Imagine this scenario...

Ah Chong: Go straight on Jalan Kewajipan until the first traffic light.
Muthu: Jalan what? What's it called in tamil?

It is still called "Jalan Kewajipan" in Tamil. It is romanized to sound "J-a-l-a-n K-e-w-a-j-p-a-n" so even if Muthu doesnt know what the meaning of Jalan Kewajipan is, he can read it in Tamil as "Jalan Kewajipan" because it is NOT translated into the meaning of that word in tamil. So if someone asked Muthu to go to Jalan Kewajipan, he can still read that sign in Tamil and know that he has found the road. This is assuming he doesnt know how to read Bahasa or Chinese.

555
14-03-2008, 02:36 PM
DON"T WASTE MONEY
what we need is clean road , safe road, good road !!!

tsd
14-03-2008, 02:53 PM
DON"T WASTE MONEY
what we need is clean road , safe road, good road !!!

I fully agree with you, it is just waste of money.

Jey
14-03-2008, 03:38 PM
At least it serves a PURPOSE for those who can read only in their mother tongues in Malaysia. As long as it serves a purpose I dont see it as wasting money.

Wasting money is something that doesnt serve any purpose, i.e. sending "Space tourists" to Space, building tallest buildings in the world, building longest bridge in the world etc. etc....

tsd
14-03-2008, 03:44 PM
having road sign in Bahasa Malaysia should be good enough. How many more people in this country cant read alphabets a-z. Having additional language on the signboard will require bigger signboard, I am sure will cost more and serve very little purpose.

mlkok
14-03-2008, 03:46 PM
It's a good idea in theory but in practice how many of you can actually read so many words while driving? Also, it would mean that the letters have to be smaller in order to fit into the limited space. That would really make it more difficult to read, right?

chanseng738
14-03-2008, 04:55 PM
having road sign in Bahasa Malaysia should be good enough. How many more people in this country cant read alphabets a-z. Having additional language on the signboard will require bigger signboard, I am sure will cost more and serve very little purpose.

I don't agree with you, tsd, there are still quite a number of elderly people can't read bahasa. They are still the citiziens of malaysia. If this area is chinese/tamil populated, why cant we put the chinese and tamil language on the signboard? Why all of you making such a fuss!

Moreover, putting signboard in chinese and tamil also will attract visitors from china and india, and also shows westerners our multi-racial and multi languages characteristic of Malaysia. The cost is not too much....as compared to giant projects, like Perwaja, Twin tower, it doesnt even reach 1% of those cost, why make so much comments here?

Sometimes, if you dont need it, doesnt mean other people dont need it. It is selfish thinking that ohhh, i dont need it, why cant use the money for something we all needs!

I also dont need the signboard in chinese and tamil, but having such a languages can benefit others, and at a small cost, why not?

Jey
14-03-2008, 04:58 PM
well said chanseng.... fully agree with your views there :D

firefox
14-03-2008, 05:00 PM
This generation of pll all can read English and Bahasa..so have these two languages in all public places like banks hospitals airports etc etc should suffice, no need to have multi language road names at this moment..even though we should appreciate Teresa to moot this idea.

I dont think this issue is top priority lets eradicate corruption from all town councils first.

555
14-03-2008, 05:05 PM
I suggest to spend money to organise some classes in community centers to teach the elderly read a few Bahasa Malaysia words would be more useful.

I have been staying in Subang Jaya for 10 years and i drive every day. Until now, i am still not very sure which road is jalan jengka, which road is jalan kewajipan.

for visitors from outstation, even though u help them to read jalan kewajipan in chinese or tamil characters from the road signboards , do u think it helps them to find the way easier ?

coleslaw
14-03-2008, 05:14 PM
I have been staying in Subang Jaya for 10 years and i drive every day. Until now, i am still not very sure which road is jalan jengka, which road is jalan kewajipan.

for visitors from outstation, even though u help them to read jalan kewajipan in chinese or tamil characters from the road signboards , do u think it helps them to find the way easier ?
like you, i do not know the names of the roads either! but we know our way around.
but if i'm a visitor,and do not know my way around,yes, the names of the road is important.
it's the same when you travel to a foreign place.

VeeJay
14-03-2008, 05:22 PM
Personally I would prefer numbers...which is easier to remember…but major roads and trunk roads its fine to have name…but we shouldn’t have confusing similar names such as persiaran tujuan and jalan tujuan, etc….

Toll road and highways should always be on numbers.

sly
14-03-2008, 05:43 PM
...Sometimes, if you dont need it, doesnt mean other people dont need it. It is selfish thinking that ohhh, i dont need it, why cant use the money for something we all needs!...

i agree on this....well said....they dont need to really use very much bigger board...it wont cost too much compared to those ugly looking lighting decor we see beside the road....

Jey
14-03-2008, 06:20 PM
i agree on this....well said....they dont need to really use very much bigger board...it wont cost too much compared to those ugly looking lighting decor we see beside the road....

yeah sly, some of the lighting decor used are not only an expense in themselves but they also require daily wasteage of electricity in lighting them up. Comparing cost of that is nowhere near the cost of signbords which is a one time thingy that lasts for years and years.

bobkee
14-03-2008, 06:28 PM
I suggest to spend money to organise some classes in community centers to teach the elderly read a few Bahasa Malaysia words would be more useful.

I have been staying in Subang Jaya for 10 years and i drive every day. Until now, i am still not very sure which road is jalan jengka, which road is jalan kewajipan.

for visitors from outstation, even though u help them to read jalan kewajipan in chinese or tamil characters from the road signboards , do u think it helps them to find the way easier ?I don't disagree. With decades of divide and rule, we now have the opportunity to model a better way forward. Even in the implementation of the usage of Bahasa Malaysia as the national language for all Malaysians.

I'm getting excited again.

tsd
14-03-2008, 08:01 PM
I don't agree with you, tsd, there are still quite a number of elderly people can't read bahasa. They are still the citiziens of malaysia. If this area is chinese/tamil populated, why cant we put the chinese and tamil language on the signboard? Why all of you making such a fuss!

Moreover, putting signboard in chinese and tamil also will attract visitors from china and india, and also shows westerners our multi-racial and multi languages characteristic of Malaysia. The cost is not too much....as compared to giant projects, like Perwaja, Twin tower, it doesnt even reach 1% of those cost, why make so much comments here?

Sometimes, if you dont need it, doesnt mean other people dont need it. It is selfish thinking that ohhh, i dont need it, why cant use the money for something we all needs!

I also dont need the signboard in chinese and tamil, but having such a languages can benefit others, and at a small cost, why not?

if a person cant even read a-z, how do you think they can get their driving license ?

besides like the other forumer pointed out... the muti-lingual thing will make the wording very small... hardly can be seen from a distance. What benefit do we get of having those small worded signs.

Besides that, it will further cause confusion, for example... Jalan Kewajipan... how to you translate that in English, Tamil and Mandarin ? You will end up with 4 different road names for the same road.

chanseng738
14-03-2008, 11:50 PM
in Malaysia, you dont need to know a-z to get your driving license, you know what i mean...

Moreover, the signboard is not for driver only, it is also for pedestrian, visitors, anyone...don't think too narrow...u only think of yourself....you neglect a lot of people, signboard not only for driver, i repeat!

multi-lingual thing will make the wording very small? Have u ever been to Kuching? Half the Kuching city road signs are all with chinese, the signs are clear and easy to read...ask those who have visited kuching...

The mayor of Kuching is a chinese (last time), he implemented the system and the citizens of kuching love him, of course,not because of the signboard things, it is because he the mayor think of all races and all the needs of different people, he has done a lot for the people of kuching. Does the mayor need to read the signboard in chinese? Of course, NO! That's why he can be mayor, he thinks for the public, never neglect any group of people...

In US, when I went there few years ago, in area where populated Mexican, i found that their road sign and even the bus ticket with Mexico language! Why? Because they do not neglect the need of any group...

Jalan Kewajipan? How to translate in English, Tamil and Mandarin? Then why dont you ask the chinese and indian how do they translate for example Seremban in Tamil and Chinese? Leave that to those who knows....

One more point:- 99.9999999% of you guys here are highly educated, internet savvy, you guys/gals are lucky, but there still a lot of ppl can't even read a simple english book! Why? Because they are unlucky and cannot afford to study, they need to work right before they have the chance to goto secondary school...

If you are not lucky, if you are one of them, you will be very angry at what we are discussing here....preventing people like them to get the benefit...by putting up other languages in the signboard, it wont affect any of us, yet it will benefit some of them...yet, u guys protest! Perhaps, this is Malaysia...everyone just think about ourself, our own needs...

Eastern Citizen
15-03-2008, 01:45 AM
in Malaysia, you dont need to know a-z to get your driving license, you know what i mean...
Actually, in Malaysia today, you do need to know your abc's to get a driver's licence. There is a written test.


Perhaps, this is Malaysia...
Exactly and last time I checked, the national language is Bahasa Malaysia/Melayu. There really is no need for street signs to be in any other languages.................
Just my 2 sen.

in
15-03-2008, 08:07 AM
Moreover, putting signboard in chinese and tamil also will attract visitors from china and india, and .....

I'm sorry chanseng, but that first line is just silly, and its exactly what the BN always says to us. Do you think tourists flock to Malaysia because we have multi linqual signboards, or state of the art public toilets, etc....please lah.....

Anyways, the new state governments should be doing other more important things, like getting rid of corruption and wastage of the public's money instead of worrying about road-signs.

tiong
15-03-2008, 08:13 AM
Actually, in Malaysia today, you do need to know your abc's to get a driver's licence. There is a written test.

i think you dont get his point, to be clear, he mean corruption, pay some money and you can get the licence.

pcyeoh
15-03-2008, 09:04 AM
I like the signboards as they are. No need to tambah anything. But the authorities bloody well erect the roadnames at both ends of the roads and at T junctions as well. Or else I have to drive all the way to the other end just to find out the road name. Some of the roads in the housing estates don't even have the road names. I was at USJ 3A and it was like participating in a game finding for treasures.

They also think you can deduce the name of the next road in the logical sense eg the next road after Jalan 9/7 is Jalan 9/8. No, it can be Jalan 9/6 or even Jalan 9/9. But this is not the case as last week when I was in Putra Heights, I discovered that it could jump from Jalan Putra Indah 9/7 to Jalan Putra Indah 9/13. What the heck is this?

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Sugarfree
15-03-2008, 10:09 AM
They also think you can deduce the name of the next road in the logical sense eg the next road after Jalan 9/7 is Jalan 9/8. No, it can be Jalan 9/6 or even Jalan 9/9. But this is not the case as last week when I was in Putra Heights, I discovered that it could jump from Jalan Putra Indah 9/7 to Jalan Putra Indah 9/13.Tell me about it. That's really frustrating. I'm glad someone brought it up. ( Admin note - expletive removed ) They should go take a few Math lessons at Kumon. :-p
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plantcloner
16-03-2008, 07:56 PM
Whatever it is, please make sure the new signage are made of plastic, so those scumbags will not steal it!

gary yap
17-03-2008, 08:43 AM
Bahasa and English should be enough, too many cooks spoil the soup. Signage made of plastic? Good idea also :)

yvonnefoong
17-03-2008, 10:36 AM
It is still called "Jalan Kewajipan" in Tamil. It is romanized to sound "J-a-l-a-n K-e-w-a-j-p-a-n" so even if Muthu doesnt know what the meaning of Jalan Kewajipan is, he can read it in Tamil as "Jalan Kewajipan" because it is NOT translated into the meaning of that word in tamil. So if someone asked Muthu to go to Jalan Kewajipan, he can still read that sign in Tamil and know that he has found the road. This is assuming he doesnt know how to read Bahasa or Chinese.

Hey jay... thanks for explaining. Haha! I didn't know what the tamil and chinese words were saying, before I commented. I have a friend who reads and writes in Chinese. She knows a bit of Malay and some English words. Having to recognize and memorize words she otherwise won't know is in fact helping her learn the language.

Jey
17-03-2008, 12:29 PM
Hey jay... thanks for explaining. Haha! I didn't know what the tamil and chinese words were saying, before I commented. I have a friend who reads and writes in Chinese. She knows a bit of Malay and some English words. Having to recognize and memorize words she otherwise won't know is in fact helping her learn the language.

Not a problem. :)

Actually there are alot of people, especially the rural folks who only know to read and write Tamil (like in the rubber or palm oil estates).
I am sure there are some chinese also in the same situation, knowing only chinese. These multilingual signages can be quiet people freindly in this sense. This is hardly strange or extravagant as some have noted this being done in Singapore too.

gary yap
17-03-2008, 12:43 PM
If you notice in S'pore, when you drive... for example to Yishun Ave 3. Address is given, so are the directions e.g. follow the BKE, exit at Turf Club Ave, make a right turn at the first filter etc... So when you arrived there, road signs will be in numerals e.g. BLK xxx etc... and you arrived at Ave 3 via the Block numbers. Straight-forward. In M'sia there's too many people, dead people that is being remembered so roads are name after them hence the confusion.

firefox
17-03-2008, 01:21 PM
I thot we have more issues that need urgent attention like corruption cronyism,mismangement, unncessary projects, wastages etc etc...lets look at the big picture and see how how these newly voted candidates can instill the government to be prudent in the way they spend our taxpayers money.

We never had any problem in roads names why suddenly now?

555
17-03-2008, 01:41 PM
if our friends here were requested to YOYO before 3/8, YOYO could be happy to change all road signatures in Selangor but with the cost of RM50bil :)

but too late now, Khalid will only spend on more important issue like "Rakyat Selangor dapat 20 meter padu air percuma mulai April "
taken from
http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2008&dt=0317&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Dalam_Negeri&pg=dn_02.htm

tsd
17-03-2008, 01:58 PM
if our friends here were requested to YOYO before 3/8, YOYO could be happy to change all road signatures in Selangor but with the cost of RM50bil :)

but too late now, Khalid will only spend on more important issue like "Rakyat Selangor dapat 20 meter padu air percuma mulai April "
taken from
http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2008&dt=0317&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Dalam_Negeri&pg=dn_02.htm

yeah!!! my water bill is about RM6 monthly :) means I don't need to pay my water bills anymore :D

KH EE
17-03-2008, 02:40 PM
yeah!!! my water bill is about RM6 monthly :) means I don't need to pay my water bills anymore :D

if your monthly bill's at rm11.40 and below. then it's free from april onwards... :D

gary yap
18-03-2008, 08:44 AM
I thot we have more issues that need urgent attention like corruption cronyism,mismangement, unncessary projects, wastages etc etc...lets look at the big picture and see how how these newly voted candidates can instill the government to be prudent in the way they spend our taxpayers money.

We never had any problem in roads names why suddenly now?

Well, if we have plenty of time then we'll notice lots are not to our liking. Nowadays we have NGOs, some watch-dog keeping tabs on the movement of the government. These signage issue started quite long ago when some smart alec wanted to change the road-names to Malay names which incurred the wrath of many. The reason? So that M'sia will not be reminded of their colonial past. Bloody stupid reasons I think.

Putting race on forms also now an issue for some. Sooner or later, filling up one's particular consider as intrusion of privacy. We have plenty of time now hence why we start nit-picking on non-threatening issue. :confused: