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Shaneburger
26-02-2008, 01:35 PM
from http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2008/2/26/central/20321036&sec=central

comparing SJ (voters approx 500k) vs Putrajaya (voters approx 5k)

"This does not help the current situation in Putrajaya where parking spaces are limited ..."

that's Malaysia Boleh Planning Dept for you!


"the Government to build more parking areas, causing traffic in Putrajaya to increase. This in turn led to higher fuel consumption and greater fuel subsidies that burdened the Government even more."

wow you really sound desperate lah!


YB LHB, I hope you're taking notes for SJ development :)

kelvinwkw
26-02-2008, 02:44 PM
Well that should explain to you why monorail is making money while putra line and star are not.

AllUrban
26-02-2008, 07:10 PM
Well that should explain to you why monorail is making money while putra line and star are not.monorail is making money because the fares are very high...Kelana Jaya (putra line) is making money because it is reaaaaallly over capacity....Ampang Line (Star) is not making money because there are few passengers on the Seri Petaling stretch...but if you extend that line to, say, Petaling Jaya or Puchong, then there will be lots of money to rake in...

As for Putrajaya...it still does not need the monorail...a bus rapid transit system is more than it needs...heck, organized, scheduled bus routes would be more than enough!

Cheers, m

pucman
26-02-2008, 07:42 PM
....Ampang Line (Star) is not making money because there are few passengers on the Seri Petaling stretch...but if you extend that line to, say, Petaling Jaya or Puchong, then there will be lots of money to rake in...


Where's the extension after two years of talking ? :mad:

yvonnefoong
26-02-2008, 08:55 PM
Sidetrack a bit. I'm not sure if LRT or monorail will help Subang Jaya though. It would also mean more people coming in and more people capitalizing on the influx, more cars to new shops, etc.

Then again, I take the KTM quite often and it's reallllyyyy slow.

isarahim
26-02-2008, 10:10 PM
Then again, I take the KTM quite often and it's reallllyyyy slow.
You cannot compare with KTM. KTM is the most mismanaged railway I've ever come across. The LRT lines are not exactly well planned and managed but still they're shining examples in comparison...

kelvinwkw
27-02-2008, 08:35 AM
You cannot compare with KTM. KTM is the most mismanaged railway I've ever come across. The LRT lines are not exactly well planned and managed but still they're shining examples in comparison...

Plus... Sudden power cut... :D

yvonnefoong
27-02-2008, 08:56 AM
You cannot compare with KTM. KTM is the most mismanaged railway I've ever come across. The LRT lines are not exactly well planned and managed but still they're shining examples in comparison...

Not comparing. The fact that KTM is slow increases the necessity for a faster train system in town.

AllUrban
27-02-2008, 01:20 PM
Not comparing. The fact that KTM is slow increases the necessity for a faster train system in town.or it increases the necessity for a better KTM system....

Pucman...last I heard they are planning to launch the LRT in March...probably after the election

construction to start in 2009...

I personally dont agree with this LRT extension...Subang needs more than just a single LRT line...

besides...if you think SJ needs LRT more than Putrajaya...well, I can tell you clearly that KL needs LRT far worse than SJ....

If it were up to me, Id be constructing 2-3 more LRT lines in KL plus extending the monorail past midvalley plus extending the Ampang LRT to Kepong and the Seri Petaling LRT to Petaling Jaya plus improving KTM services before I even thought about extending down to SJ...

Cheers, m

AllUrban
05-03-2008, 11:35 AM
check out the latest edition of sjecho, there seems to be a lot of disagreement over the routing of the LRT through SS14...

A plea from Subang Lass (http://www.sjecho.com.my/article.php?id=179) (speaking against the proposed LRT)

Consumer's Assocation Supports LRT (http://www.sjecho.com.my/article.php?id=187)

Residents against LRT route (http://www.sjecho.com.my/article.php?id=188)

I wanted to post it to the "Future LRT" thread but that one got bumped out of the top 6 pages...

Cheers, m

yvonnefoong
05-03-2008, 03:21 PM
Hey thanks for sharing the opinions posted at SJECHO. I wouldn't want the LRT near my house either. The nuisance caused is a tort and the company could be sued, right? I know, it will forever remain a dream to sue for that in Malaysia.

gtl
05-03-2008, 05:56 PM
malaysia has a public transport system which is a prime example of mismanagement and miscalculation. it is a big waste of public funds.
KL needs a good system, and we build one which missed the mark totally. a big waste.

AllUrban
06-03-2008, 03:12 PM
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news.php?id=318351

A 16 km extension from Seri Petaling to Putra Heights, via Puchong...10 of the 12 stations will be in Puchong...but if you read the locations that are described it sounds like USJ is not included....

Cheers, m

Shaneburger
21-05-2008, 07:13 PM
Thought the Putrajaya LRt is dead but looks like we got lots of money!

from http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/5/21/nation/20080521131102&sec=nation

"...the long-overdue monorail project at the federal administrative capital ..."

excuse me? LRT/Monorail/KTM is long overdue in Subang Jaya, PakLah please drop by to enjoy the jam with us :mad:

AllUrban
22-05-2008, 04:20 PM
Thought the Putrajaya LRt is dead but looks like we got lots of money!

from http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/5/21/nation/20080521131102&sec=nation

"...the long-overdue monorail project at the federal administrative capital ..."

excuse me? LRT/Monorail/KTM is long overdue in Subang Jaya, PakLah please drop by to enjoy the jam with us :mad:One of the arguments you will hear over the next few weeks is that we should finish the monorail because so much infrastructure (bridge, station at Putrajaya Sentral, Tunnels) have already been built.

That is one way that monorails are inflicted upon people...the company will build the pillars first, or a costly piece of infrastructure, effectively trying to force the project to be completed.

Personally, I say no to the monorail for Putrajaya and the LRT for Subang Jaya...but then, who listens to me :p

Cheers, m

bslee
22-05-2008, 04:30 PM
The gahmen should RELOCATE ALL THE INDUSTRIAL concerns at the TWO industrial areas on each side of Subang Jaya/USJ!. I bet my bottom dollar traffic jam will drastically reduce, pollution will reduce, and life will be more tolerable in SJ/USJ!

rachel sj
22-05-2008, 04:36 PM
Even our neighbours in Puchong have been promised the link to LRT in 2010....(promise saja la so far..before election somemore), we in SJ dont even get this sort of promise ...have to be happy and contented with the KTM we have..

AllUrban
22-05-2008, 05:35 PM
Even our neighbours in Puchong have been promised the link to LRT in 2010....(promise saja la so far..before election somemore), we in SJ dont even get this sort of promise ...have to be happy and contented with the KTM we have .hahhaha says who? Subang Jaya can demand a better KTM Komuter service from the federal government and selangor government.

Seriously, if KTM Komuter trains came every 5 minutes and most of the trains skipped some of the "halts" between Subang Jaya and KL Sentral (for example: Seri Setia, Petaling, Pantai Dalam, and Angaksapuri) and could get us to KL within 20 minutes...would we even need the RM 2 billion LRT extension?

All we need is for the government to buy about 60 more trains...it would cost alot of money but improve KTM service throughout the Klang Valley...and help alot more people than the 2km LRT extension or the 26km of monorail in Putrajaya.

Cheers, m

pucman
22-05-2008, 07:45 PM
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news.php?id=318351

A 16 km extension from Seri Petaling to Putra Heights, via Puchong...10 of the 12 stations will be in Puchong...but if you read the locations that are described it sounds like USJ is not included....

Cheers, m

All talk and no action... after 3 years.

kwchang
23-05-2008, 12:22 AM
The monorail will only run a loop from the Stesyen Sentral of Putrajaya (station for the ERL stop). I don't believe Putrajaya needs the monorail. There aren't enough stops to make the monorail attractive. If the authorities are concerned for the lower income staff, it should be noted that they are already well served by stage busses that function solely to move the workers to and fro specific areas in the Klang Valley, probably at cheap fares. I doubt the lower income staff would take the ERL to Putrajaya unless they are pressed for time or had missed their stage busses.

During working hours, the workers in Putrajaya would have no reason to commute between the Govt buildings. If staff have to deliver stuff or go for meetings, official cars are available to ferry them to the front gates of the office blocks, why would anyone pay fare out of their own pockets to commute to another precinct to attend an official meeting?

I do not think the monorail loop will get anywhere near the residential areas - unfortunately, I do not have a map to verify if my supicions are right. If I am right, the monorail will not serve the residents well

starrnorth88
23-05-2008, 02:27 AM
The monorail will only run a loop from the Stesyen Sentral of Putrajaya (station for the ERL stop). I don't believe Putrajaya needs the monorail. There aren't enough stops to make the monorail attractive. If the authorities are concerned for the lower income staff, it should be noted that they are already well served by stage busses that function solely to move the workers to and fro specific areas in the Klang Valley, probably at cheap fares. I doubt the lower income staff would take the ERL to Putrajaya unless they are pressed for time or had missed their stage busses.

During working hours, the workers in Putrajaya would have no reason to commute between the Govt buildings. If staff have to deliver stuff or go for meetings, official cars are available to ferry them to the front gates of the office blocks, why would anyone pay fare out of their own pockets to commute to another precinct to attend an official meeting?

I do not think the monorail loop will get anywhere near the residential areas - unfortunately, I do not have a map to verify if my supicions are right. If I am right, the monorail will not serve the residents well

the government should issue travel pass on LRT so that the workers can use the LRT to travel around putrajaya for their meetings instad of using the department card.

joker2107
23-05-2008, 03:17 AM
NO! NO! NO!
intra city rail transportation system is not the solution for bolehland - not even in the most densely populated klang valley. very very briefly:-

1. mass transport systems are supposed to be an effective, efficient, economical, enjoyable, and environmentally friendly alternative to private transport and limited capacity public buses and cabs.

2. to be effective, there must be adequate connectivity. although not the reason for my objection to railroads, our ad hoc planning for line extensions which depends on who's where and which voice is louder is but a prelude to disillusion and dissatisfaction and disaster. a network which requires rail travel of 50km to reach a destination 10 km as the crow flies is not what I can associate with effectiveness.

3. to be efficient, it must be competent in transporting people such that it will be faster and safer (let your kids use this system to get to and from school?) to use the mode of transport than to drive oneself. this inevitably calls for a reliable feeder support system/adequate park and ride facilities and a competitive frequency (which leads to the question of economy).

4. to be economical, there must be a ready and large capture market which can provide profitable operations at low fares. a typical economical mass rail transit system will have a load factor way in excess of a million passengers per day. do we have such a population in the klang valley?

5. by enjoyable, I mean that commuting should be at least not uncomfortable to the extent that one is hesitant to travel. it is inevitable that extensive walking is equated with mass rail transport. we must take cognizance of our hot, humid and wet equatorial climate, and provide for properly sheltered connectivity, at least between rail system stations and feeder support systems/major destinations such as mid valley, subang jaya Carrefour / Giant / Taipan / SS14 / SS15 commercial areas.

overloading as is done by putra with their two-coaches train is not just preposterous and disorientating but surely the corporate socially disastrous way to be efficient and economical. they are the rail replica (pun intended) of the infamous bmw (bas mini wilayah) which graced the city in the 80s, except that putra coaches do not have the capacity to run off its tracks.

6. mass rail transit systems are the most environmentally unfriendly of all public transportation systems. just because you do not see and breathe in the smog and exhaust of metro and rapid kl road monsters does not mean that it is an environmentally sound system. a rail system demands extensive and expensive supporting infrastructure such as the tracks, stations, and monitoring facilities. to provide these basic essentials, quarries and mines are raped and bled dry. the weighty dependency on continuous electricity of an electric rail system bears heavily on mother nature. mega projects are supposed to have an environment impact assessment. I wonder if the eias for our rail systems have a provisional energy consumption per passenger km. the truth can be shocking!

town planners, draft local plans analysts, environmentalists, fellow human beings, please spare some brief moments to meditate on the above. i hope the few words will be enough to shed new light for you.

AllUrban
23-05-2008, 09:09 AM
NO! NO! NO!
intra city rail transportation system is not the solution for bolehland - not even in the most densely populated klang valley. very very briefly:-If not, then what is the solution, joker2107?

Cheers, m

AllUrban
23-05-2008, 09:16 AM
I do not think the monorail loop will get anywhere near the residential areas - unfortunately, I do not have a map to verify if my supicions are right. If I am right, the monorail will not serve the residents wellChang

Here is a "map" (http://www.monorails.org/webpix%202/PJ2004d.jpg) of the proposed 2 line putrajaya monorail system

http://www.monorails.org/webpix%202/PJ2004d.jpg.

If you compare the proposal to a map of Putrajaya you will see that only the residential areas on the west side are covered by the monorail.

However, I suppose that this is wise as these areas have higher density (mostly condominums and apartments) while the other areas are lower density link houses.

Cheers, m

kwchang
23-05-2008, 01:27 PM
...you will see that only the residential areas on the west side are covered by the monorail.

However, I suppose that this is wise as these areas have higher density (mostly condominums and apartments) while the other areas are lower density link houses...
The West side is the link from the ERL station to the bridge that crosses the "lake" and thence proceed underground to serve the business precincts. The residential areas are hardly covered. Please note that the heavily populated apartments and flats are located north of that line on the west side of Putrajaya. The southern part covers the diplomatic enclave which is yet to be built and I doubt if the diplomats need the service (if they move there at all)

ignatio103
23-05-2008, 01:39 PM
Sidetrack a bit. I'm not sure if LRT or monorail will help Subang Jaya though. It would also mean more people coming in and more people capitalizing on the influx, more cars to new shops, etc.

Then again, I take the KTM quite often and it's reallllyyyy slow.
well let me quote abt this slow coach ktm...As for info....Ktm has to share the track with..
1)wagon goods train
2)Insufficient train sets
3)track vandalism-curi cables
4)ticket cheep cheep compare to toll fees( BN barang naik)
5)No longer eliigible for fuel subsidy
6)passenger increased 3 folds
everything else remains the same....why oh why..

AllUrban
23-05-2008, 01:53 PM
The West side is the link from the ERL station to the bridge that crosses the "lake" and thence proceed underground to serve the business precincts. The residential areas are hardly covered. Please note that the heavily populated apartments and flats are located north of that line on the west side of Putrajaya. The southern part covers the diplomatic enclave which is yet to be built and I doubt if the diplomats need the service (if they move there at all)A fair point Chang...but we should note that the residential areas ought to be covered by bus services which would feed into the monorail.

It is easy to assume that once we have LRT or monorail we wont need buses...but the truth is we will need buses...as well as minibuses, taxies, and people to drive us around occasionally...along with the LRT.

Putrajaya does not need a mass-transit monorail system. However, they could replicate this route fairly easily using a frequent bus system, which would do the job and save a ton of money.

Cheers, m

dd33
23-05-2008, 02:21 PM
Speaking of busses, RapidKL in our area seems to have gone from bad to worst.

There used to be 2 busses covering our route. but now only 1 bus. Frequency is 1 hour 1 bus now. Horrible

plus the bus will take a 30 or 40mins break after they did their 1 loop.
Im talking about the bus with "T". tempatan

:mad:

joker2107
25-05-2008, 02:55 AM
If not, then what is the solution, joker2107?


in shanghai and beijing and melbourne and sydney which i have been to, just like most major cities in the world which i have not visited yet, there is a tram or electric bus system. the mechanics are very similar to our kommuter, except that operate on rubbers running on normal roads. think of this along the lines of my arguments against rail transport systems.

AllUrban
26-05-2008, 01:11 PM
in shanghai and beijing and melbourne and sydney which i have been to, just like most major cities in the world which i have not visited yet, there is a tram or electric bus system. the mechanics are very similar to our kommuter, except that operate on rubbers running on normal roads. think of this along the lines of my arguments against rail transport systems.that works in high density cities with wide road networks.

low density, unplanned cities like KL would still need a mass transit rail network...not necessarily an LRT network tho.

Besides a rail network has far fewer disadvantages compared to an oversize highway system.

Cheers, m

AllUrban
26-05-2008, 02:35 PM
Letter in Penang Watch (http://www.penangwatch.net/node/2448) about the Putrajaya monorail.

Cheers, m

kwchang
26-05-2008, 05:55 PM
Aha, Allurban, nice one - concurs with what I had said before, there just aren't anyone to use the monorail

AllUrban
27-05-2008, 01:25 PM
got called for an interview with the Malay mail...

Hah, got to give them credit. This is the second time Ive talked to them, while no other members of the mainstream media have even bothered to ask for my opinion.

Cheers, m

clfoo
27-05-2008, 07:23 PM
correct, correct, correct
http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/78825


puterajaya is already served by dedicated bus service Nadi Putera ..
http://www.putrajaya.net.my/portal/page?_pageid=34,459289&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

with unused buses in line, why is that the need for monorail? another scomi project?

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-13030749_ITM

AllUrban
28-05-2008, 11:03 AM
with unused buses in line, why is that the need for monorail? another scomi project?

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-13030749_ITMa fair question...actually, its interesting to note tho...today Scomi seems more interested in projects in Iran and India and Vietnam than they do in projects at home.

You would think that they would be a shoe-in to produce their new monorail as part of the expansion of the KL Monorail line...but nothing, even after 6 months.

Really, the right hand does not know what the left hand it doing.

Cheers, m

sarawakian
28-05-2008, 11:19 AM
Just my 2 cents worth but I would like to propose this:

a. That Subang Jaya has its own bus lines covering areas from Putra Heights to SS16
b. That the monorail and LRT be scrapped
c. That the busses be gas powered
d. That it is free for all citizens of malaysia where those with MyKad gets it free and students and permanent residents pay RM0.50 and non malaysians and students and permanent residents pay RM2 per day use.
e. That bus services be tendered and that the local govt pays for this with our taxes we pay.
f. Look at covered and startegic locations for bus routes.
g. Bus lanes are created and traverse main roads and near pedestrian bridges.

newpdg003
03-06-2008, 02:17 AM
It looks like they really forget another extension line :( ...Kota Damansara to Cheras LRT route.

Shaneburger
03-06-2008, 09:06 PM
Just my 2 cents worth but I would like to propose this:

a. That Subang Jaya has its own bus lines covering areas from Putra Heights to SS16
b. That the monorail and LRT be scrapped
c. That the busses be gas powered
d. That it is free for all citizens of malaysia where those with MyKad gets it free and students and permanent residents pay RM0.50 and non malaysians and students and permanent residents pay RM2 per day use.
e. That bus services be tendered and that the local govt pays for this with our taxes we pay.
f. Look at covered and startegic locations for bus routes.
g. Bus lanes are created and traverse main roads and near pedestrian bridges.

Good suggestions, Sokong :)

newpdg003
04-06-2008, 11:23 PM
Hi everyone, the petrol price is going to increase right now:
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/6/4/nation/20080604175025&sec=nation

I am sure everyone is going to suffer because our money become smaller and smaller. So it is the best time to build LRT in stead of we still depend on the car to spend more petrol on the traffic jams! Should government take note on this? Or they remain dreaming that our transport system is soo good compare to modern country?

sarawakian
05-06-2008, 09:43 AM
I think we should really now consider this. LRT...Good if we have the money now. What we have now are buses. What we need are professional bus drivers and lanes and stops. Hence, I think we should really ask for free shuttles for all holding MyKads. Routes must be planeed with a committee made of NGO, community as well as business professionals.

I think students from other countries should pay but not as much as tourists so perhaps a day or month pass can be easily done.

We cannot avoid the fuel increase...so we should use what we already have. Buses...But these must be good for us to use. A system. Maybe learn from places like Singapore, Australia and even Canada.

joker2107
06-06-2008, 03:12 AM
If not, then what is the solution, joker2107?


please see pg 4 of the sun dated 5june 2008 (thursday).
headline is "bring back the tram, say groups".
i am not in the group, but they are echoing what the media refused to publish when similar and more statements in the same direction came from one individual in days when fossil fuel was much more affordable.

dd33
06-06-2008, 03:20 AM
What we have now are buses. What we need are professional bus drivers and lanes and stops. Hence, I think we should really ask for free shuttles for all holding MyKads.
erm...buses? Our "tempatan" route bus is now 1 hour 1 bus, going from bad to worst. even if its free, who will take it?

The bus ran for 30 mins to make full circle, then the other 30 mins the driver would disappear & lepak somewhere. Such is the mentality

USJ27Resident
06-06-2008, 03:39 AM
Maybe learn from places like Singapore, Australia and even Canada.

Buddy... I've travel the whole world... all six freaking continents... and believe me when I say - I've seen them all - all sorts of MRTs, LRTs, trams, buses with poles stuck to electric cables and whatnots...

When you say, these Govt fellas ought to learn from other places... what do you really believe these pri**... err, fellas really do when they go for these "lawatan sambil belajar" trips... :rolleyes:

This is what happens when politicians and councillors [without expiry dates] and their cronies run the country....

sarawakian
06-06-2008, 10:45 AM
True. But I never said government to learn for free...we as the rakyat can learn...and when we finally have to stand up and float ideas, maybe this will stick. No pun intended, but I just thought some systems are already in place and we can learn and perhaps improve on. Yes, we may not like the government's wrong doings as I. But we need to see what else we can do to see a better system. Cheers :D

AllUrban
06-06-2008, 12:55 PM
True. But I never said government to learn for free...we as the rakyat can learn...and when we finally have to stand up and float ideas, maybe this will stick. No pun intended, but I just thought some systems are already in place and we can learn and perhaps improve on. Yes, we may not like the government's wrong doings as I. But we need to see what else we can do to see a better system. Cheers :DSarawakian, I've been standing up and floating ideas and going one step beyond...actually doing the work required to make these ideas possible.

Guess what...the gomen and the opposisi are not really interested in our ideas or making our ideas work. They are looking for quick fixes and are not interested in long-term solutions. They just want to stay in power or do as much as they can before they get booted out.

Even the best members of our opposisi are only thinking about what little they can do in the max 5 years they have before BN marshalls its power and gets them booted back out. Or they are waiting for Anwar to lead them to the promised land.

We need the opposisi to take the steps and act like a government-in-waiting but they arent doing so. They are waiting and the people are waiting and while they wait, they get exploited and picked on and beaten down by their own government.

Regarding the fuel price increase, will the opposition wait until June 23 when Parliament sits again, in order to speak out with one voice? They cannot even ask any questions in Parliament about the fuel price increase...since questions had to be submitted on June 2!

The PM has subverted parliament again! Perhaps it is time for the opposition to demand an emergency session or parliament? And if they cannot meet in parliament, how about they meet in a futsal court, the best Malaysian alternative to a tennis court

Cheers, m

sarawakian
06-06-2008, 12:58 PM
Maybe even the WWE and maybe we have the undertaker and John Cena wannabes too....

anyways, we the rakyat will also still try...never give up...look at the folks in Cheras :D

pepsi
06-06-2008, 01:09 PM
Putrajaya residents should consider cycling as the best mode of transportation especially since their office are not far from where they live.The road and traffic condition is also suitable.It's good exercise and reduce petrol usage.Someone should consider opening a bicycle shop there, can make moneyleh...

USJ27Resident
07-06-2008, 01:29 AM
Someone should consider opening a bicycle shop there, can make moneyleh...

There is already a few in Subang Jaya/USJ areas... and the hypermarkets [Carrefour/Giant/Tesco... not sure about Mydin] sells bicycles, stored in one corner of the outlet...

One shop that I know is in SS14 and recently one more opened in USJ Taipan... same row with 99speedmart.

But please note: the bikes sold in this shops are normally branded and can be priced in hundreds and sometimes in thousands... [of ringgit]

so unless you have a budget - you might as well head to the Hypermarkets.

Bike Impact helmets going for RM60-RM100... when in the US it only cost like USD 7-11 dollars. ... :(

joker2107
07-06-2008, 01:56 AM
Putrajaya residents should consider cycling as the best mode of transportation especially since their office are not far from where they live.The road and traffic condition is also suitable.It's good exercise and reduce petrol usage.Someone should consider opening a bicycle shop there, can make moneyleh...
get real, pepsi. in choice of transportation, public or private, due consideration must also be given to other environmental factors, most critical of which is our equatorial climate - hot and humid most of the time. cycling and walking would be appropriate only if your destination has facilities for you to clean up.

btw, the highway-like minimum three lane putrajaya and cyberjaya roads are not what i would consider non-motorised commuting compatible.

newpdg003
07-06-2008, 11:26 PM
I think we should really now consider this. LRT...Good if we have the money now. What we have now are buses. What we need are professional bus drivers and lanes and stops. Hence, I think we should really ask for free shuttles for all holding MyKads. Routes must be planeed with a committee made of NGO, community as well as business professionals.

I think students from other countries should pay but not as much as tourists so perhaps a day or month pass can be easily done.

We cannot avoid the fuel increase...so we should use what we already have. Buses...But these must be good for us to use. A system. Maybe learn from places like Singapore, Australia and even Canada.


Our government sure have money, it was announced two years ago that they spend 10Billion to improve the LRT system and expend more LRT line if I not mistaken. I just wondering until today, where is LRT project? Where are the money gone?

USJ27Resident
10-06-2008, 05:39 PM
. I just wondering until today, where is LRT project? Where are the money gone?

LRT project gone away.... Money... in some bank in Singapore perhaps... :rolleyes:

pepsi
10-06-2008, 07:43 PM
get real, pepsi. in choice of transportation, public or private, due consideration must also be given to other environmental factors, most critical of which is our equatorial climate - hot and humid most of the time. cycling and walking would be appropriate only if your destination has facilities for you to clean up.

btw, the highway-like minimum three lane putrajaya and cyberjaya roads are not what i would consider non-motorised commuting compatible.
Aiya....go to work in the morning and comeback in the evening only what ? :D
I also said those people staying in Putrajaya, not from other areas going into Putrajaya and Cyberjaya. Definitely not safe at all. Plenty of cars driving and driving pretty fast too