Beware! Was that the rate they charged?!

[wern90]

My parents had lunch at O'Viet Vietnamese Cuisine , Sunway Pyramid on 1st Feb 2008

They had cold noodle salad (RM12.90), brisket stew (RM10.90) and 2 small mugs of warm water. Guess what they charged for the 2 small mugs of warm water?

RM2.40! Rm1.20 each! :eek: Is that highway robbery or what? :mad:

Pls. beware of this place. After 5% Govt Tax and 10% service charge the total bill came to RM30.13.

[scorgio]

Come on, you're lucky they still sell warm water.

Places like Nando's & Kenny, they only sell mineral water. And a bottle of 500ml would cost you RM2.50 (b4 the 5% & 10%).

Even Asia Cafe now don't sell their once cheapest drink, chinese tea (RM0.50).

[wern90]

Come on, you're lucky they still sell warm water.

Places like Nando's & Kenny, they only sell mineral water. And a bottle of 500ml would cost you RM2.50 (b4 the 5% & 10%).

Even Asia Cafe now don't sell their once cheapest drink, chinese tea (RM0.50).


Hell, I would not be commenting if it was indeed mineral water they had served or chinese tea for that matter! :rolleyes: :mad: Not everyone is into drinking cold water nowadays, people do opt to drink warm water for health reasons!

Lagi, if they want to charge anything for water it should be stated in their menu, if not that would be an offence! Right? If they are selling it, it should be in the menu!

[SunwayK]

Aiseh, considering the amount of rental the tenant got to fork out, it appears compatible for that sort of environment.

Besides, the food probably costs 3 times kopitiam prices. One should not expect the drinks to be any different. And considering the mud that Syabas supply, it is amazing that they can still serve drinkable water.

And if one ask for something different that is not in the menu, perhaps the daily specials, it would not be FOC either.

[scorgio]

I'm always prepared to fork out RM0.90 for a glass of water at any restaurant which charges service charge.

The only thing u can do besides making a big fuss out of the issue is :- NEVER EVER GO TO THAT RESTAURANT.

[wern90]

I'm always prepared to fork out RM0.90 for a glass of water at any restaurant which charges service charge.

The only thing u can do besides making a big fuss out of the issue is :- NEVER EVER GO TO THAT RESTAURANT.
Hah, that is just exactly what we (meaning family and friends) r going to do...strike that makan place from our list forever! :D My aim of posting this thread is just to warn others from being fleeced by so called established places. All others who r happy to donate their hard earned money to them, pls continue to do so. :rolleyes:

[joker2107]

Hell, I would not be commenting if it was indeed mineral water they had served or chinese tea for that matter! :rolleyes: :mad: Not everyone is into drinking cold water nowadays, people do opt to drink warm water for health reasons!

Lagi, if they want to charge anything for water it should be stated in their menu, if not that would be an offence! Right? If they are selling it, it should be in the menu!

thanks for your warning, wern90. yes, its true some prefer their drinks warm, tho not essentially for the same reason. eg when eating chinese one should down a cuppa warm chinese tea after every dish to clear the palate of the taste for the next dish. also helps in degreasng my teeth :D .

your comment about chargable items being on the menu is fair. but we all know that enforcement has never been known to be fair.

speaking of mineral water ... always remember caveat emptor - let the buyer beware. is that a bottle of mineral water or filtered water or boiled water?

[isabelle]

My parents had lunch at O'Viet Vietnamese Cuisine , Sunway Pyramid on 1st Feb 2008

They had cold noodle salad (RM12.90), brisket stew (RM10.90) and 2 small mugs of warm water. Guess what they charged for the 2 small mugs of warm water?

RM2.40! Rm1.20 each! :eek: Is that highway robbery or what? :mad:

Pls. beware of this place. After 5% Govt Tax and 10% service charge the total bill came to RM30.13.

Why is the charging for 2 small mugs of warm water a highway robbery?

[silver_bird]

A word of caution when buying "Bak Kuah' esp around CNY season. My family Q for 28 mins to buy 1kg of Dried meat costing RM 60-00 from Kiew at Petaling Street. Weighing machine at home show 900 gm, meaning they short-changed customers like us of RM 6-00. No wonder, during festive season they don't position the digital weight display towards our view.

[joker2107]

Why is the charging for 2 small mugs of warm water a highway robbery?
yah, wern90, its cannot be highway robbery. its committed indoors. its more appropriate to call in indoor extortion.
besides, it seems so in line with the economics management of the Bloody Nincompoop party. ;)

[Shaneburger]

yah, wern90, its cannot be highway robbery. its committed indoors. its more appropriate to call in indoor extortion.
besides, it seems so in line with the economics management of the Bloody Nincompoop party. ;)

aiyah, just bring your own bottle :D

[besitai2007]

My parents had lunch at O'Viet Vietnamese Cuisine , Sunway Pyramid on 1st Feb 2008

They had cold noodle salad (RM12.90), brisket stew (RM10.90) and 2 small mugs of warm water. Guess what they charged for the 2 small mugs of warm water?

RM2.40! Rm1.20 each! :eek: Is that highway robbery or what? :mad:

Pls. beware of this place. After 5% Govt Tax and 10% service charge the total bill came to RM30.13.
Try eating at Fridays Subang, and the kopi tiams and you will find find how costly it is to eat out at such places. You have to pay for the so-called ambience. A meal with my family costs RM240.00 recently at one these places. I never like to eat at such places as they cost too much but my children insisted on eating there. The food is not that healthy. A simple bowl of noodles @ RM3.80 is all I need. Gone were the days when the har mee cost only RM1.50 (in K.L.) or RM0.80 in Penang. But should we pay more at these fancy restaurants? I don't know why these places charge us so much - maybe the rental is higher, maybe it is an excuse because they are franchised outlets or are they trying to fleece us?:rolleyes:

[isabelle]

yah, wern90, its cannot be highway robbery. its committed indoors. its more appropriate to call in indoor extortion.
besides, it seems so in line with the economics management of the Bloody Nincompoop party. ;)

It has nothing to do with any political party.

[isabelle]

Try eating at Fridays Subang, and the kopi tiams and you will find find how costly it is to eat out at such places. You have to pay for the so-called ambience. A meal with my family costs RM240.00 recently at one these places. I never like to eat at such places as they cost too much but my children insisted on eating there. The food is not that healthy. A simple bowl of noodles @ RM3.80 is all I need. Gone were the days when the har mee cost only RM1.50 (in K.L.) or RM0.80 in Penang. But should we pay more at these fancy restaurants? I don't know why these places charge us so much - maybe the rental is higher, maybe it is an excuse because they are franchised outlets or are they trying to fleece us?:rolleyes:

I agree that eating out is terribly expensive nowadays. I believe that there is still an element of choice. Eat at home. That was why I posted in the other thread "why highway robbery?" about paying RM2.40 for two mugs of warm water. The restaurant concerned did not force us to order for the two mugs of warm water. The restaurant has its rental, utilities, raw materials (somebody mentioned about the increase in price of flour), wages and other charges to pay. The owner of the restaurant is earning a living just like everybody else. We know that a plate of fried kuay teow is now RM3.80 (as mentioned by another forumer). If we still want to patronize that stall or any kuay teow stall and eat there, then please do not screech and complain. I am sure the prices are all prominently displayed. If they are not, then that is another issue.

[chewie]

my point of view...

put yourselves in the restaurant owner shoe.. you have a customer, come in and eat...and then only order plain water. how would you feel? the food price is already reasonable. some restaurant makes their money through beverages...thats why certain restaurantyou could see a glass of coke is about 2 or 3 ringgit less than the food price.

what i am trying to say is, ppl want to make money. if you feel is expensive than next time, dont order plain water. But the restaurant should clearly state the price in the menu as most of us thinks that water is free :D :D for myself also i will order plain water when dining.

[cskok8]

You can eat a bowl of curry mee at a hawker stall for RM 3.50 or 3.80; at a "kopitiam" for RM 6.00 to 8.00 or at a hotel for RM 19.90. Take your pick but don't complain if you choose to eat at the hotel and they charge you RM 19.90 ++

[chewie]

You can eat a bowl of curry mee at a hawker stall for RM 3.50 or 3.80; at a "kopitiam" for RM 6.00 to 8.00 or at a hotel for RM 19.90. Take your pick but don't complain if you choose to eat at the hotel and they charge you RM 19.90 ++

bro..yes u r right.... but a hawker stall at jalan petaling, kl charges rm4.50 for a bowl of curry mee... but is worth the money as its really tasty.. :D :D

[jacaheyo]

gee i'm glad that my college's cafeteria still charges us at RM0.20 for a glass of hot water. HOT i mean, and those warm ones that is already added with cool water. I was still complaining they shouldn't have charged anything for it's only plain water. haha

I always bring my own bottle of water whenever i eat out. I care not about the "No Outside Foor or Drink" -- I just drink in front of the ppl there. It helps to save a lot of money especially after calculated with the 5-10% taxes. :D

[isabelle]

You can eat a bowl of curry mee at a hawker stall for RM 3.50 or 3.80; at a "kopitiam" for RM 6.00 to 8.00 or at a hotel for RM 19.90. Take your pick but don't complain if you choose to eat at the hotel and they charge you RM 19.90 ++

I absolutely agree. Or 60 cents if we cook a packet of curry maggie mee at home.

[mlkok]

I noticed that most of the time, people will only complain about how expensive the food they ate and how they were ripped off but then still continue to patronize those places mentioned. As long as these restaurants and stalls have business and continue to make a profit, they know that their food is in demand and will continue to charge these prices. Isn't that logical?

[joker2107]

It has nothing to do with any political party.
water is a gift from the almighty. water is the most basic need of life form, mankind, flora, fauna ... u name it.

just like it is not right to exploit air, it is downright sinful to exploit water for selfish commercial self enrichment. you wanna make big bucks? fine, out a few drops of colour into the water and call starbigbucks or killuang coffee or whatever. but damn plain water? may the forgiving almighty allah have mercy on those who are merciless.

agreed that u pay what u eat cos its a choice. life form can be sustained without food but not water. but look at our national policy on water. i leave it up to the respectable charles santiago to imbue you fellas with values of priority, justice, transparency said in the language of water supply and management.

[isabelle]

water is a gift from the almighty. water is the most basic need of life form, mankind, flora, fauna ... u name it.

just like it is not right to exploit air, it is downright sinful to exploit water for selfish commercial self enrichment. you wanna make big bucks? fine, out a few drops of colour into the water and call starbigbucks or killuang coffee or whatever. but damn plain water? may the forgiving almighty allah have mercy on those who are merciless.

agreed that u pay what u eat cos its a choice. life form can be sustained without food but not water. but look at our national policy on water. i leave it up to the respectable charles santiago to imbue you fellas with values of priority, justice, transparency said in the language of water supply and management.

Raise your face to the sky when it rains and drink rain water. There should not be any charge to it. In the case of the RM2.40 for two mugs of warm water, it is no longer water but water which has been boiled and served in mugs in an air-conditioned environment.

[jaysubra]

I agree that RM 1.20 per glass of warm water is Exorbitant but then guy's, we live in a State where even 'Rain Water' is charged. Try reading this column by Citizen nades

http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=20635

[isabelle]

I agree that RM 1.20 per glass of warm water is Exorbitant but then guy's, we live in a State where even 'Rain Water' is charged. Try reading this column by Citizen nades

http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=20635

You mean I will be charged if I raise my face to the sky during raining? Please clarify. Thank you.

[isabelle]

I agree that RM 1.20 per glass of warm water is Exorbitant

Did the restaurant concerned forced you to order a mug of warm water? Please answer that.

[joker2107]

You mean I will be charged if I raise my face to the sky during raining? Please clarify. Thank you.
the link was given. it works - i've double checked it. the report is very very clear. it is written by the internationally reknown one and only citizen nades.
may almighty allah favour you with a dose of poverty to appreciate humility. the beautitudes, you familiar with it? and the fact that it does not rain every time you have a thirst of nature to quench.

[bslee]

Gahmen should implement as law:
ALL restaurants must serve clean and drinkable water (no ice) on customers request and no charges to be levied. I don't see ANY reason why the cost of such cannot be covered. (but here in Malaysia...I sense all sorts of implications and farnie problems..because the business culture is quite rotten and unscroupulous!)

[Jokee]

Did the restaurant concerned forced you to order a mug of warm water? Please answer that.
The quote here is quite harsh. Unless you dont drink at all, people dont have a choice as warm water is assumed to be the cheapest of all other drinks. Just like tolled roads. Not many alternative choices around and please dont complain when they raised the toll cause no one forced you to use it.

[kokomo]

I agree that RM 1.20 per glass of warm water is Exorbitant


Did the restaurant concerned forced you to order a mug of warm water? Please answer that.

It has been clearly mentioned that people agree to that RM1.20 for a glass of warm water altho is too much to be charged so how can it be forced in anyway? Have you been forced before by restaurants to pay such an amount of warm water? Obviously need to see where you order your water also. If coffee shop they charge Rm1.20 for a glass of warm water then is too much but if its' in a hotel coffee lounge they charge you for a glass of warm water and if you don't know then please asked how much for a glass of warm water.

Probably you could just asked jaysubra, where / which restaurant was he/she being charge RM1.20 for a glass of warm water. Your question posted here is very hard on people for them to read and to answer you.

[isabelle]

the link was given. it works - i've double checked it. the report is very very clear. it is written by the internationally reknown one and only citizen nades.
may almighty allah favour you with a dose of poverty to appreciate humility. the beautitudes, you familiar with it? and the fact that it does not rain every time you have a thirst of nature to quench.

Please don't be personal and rude. Allah does not favour me or others with wealth or poverty. Your concept of Allah is totally nonsensical and immature.

You don't know the meaning of poverty. I do. And rain water is free. It is unfortunate that the very poor and the very rich have to share the same earth to live in and the differences become so glaring. It is no shame to be poor. It is no shame to be rich either.

[isabelle]

It has been clearly mentioned that people agree to that RM1.20 for a glass of warm water altho is too much to be charged so how can it be forced in anyway? Have you been forced before by restaurants to pay such an amount of warm water? Obviously need to see where you order your water also. If coffee shop they charge Rm1.20 for a glass of warm water then is too much but if its' in a hotel coffee lounge they charge you for a glass of warm water and if you don't know then please asked how much for a glass of warm water.

Probably you could just asked jaysubra, where / which restaurant was he/she being charge RM1.20 for a glass of warm water. Your question posted here is very hard on people for them to read and to answer you.

You don't see the point. What I am saying is that when you go to a restaurant, you do not expect 2 mugs of warm water to be free. Not even in a coffee shop. Surely that is not too hard for you to digest?

[isabelle]

The quote here is quite harsh. Unless you dont drink at all, people dont have a choice as warm water is assumed to be the cheapest of all other drinks. Just like tolled roads. Not many alternative choices around and please dont complain when they raised the toll cause no one forced you to use it.

There are other drinks to order. When and if you open a coffee shop or restaurant next time, are you going to declare that all water - hot, warm, iced are all free? Please be honest.

[isabelle]

Gahmen should implement as law:
ALL restaurants must serve clean and drinkable water (no ice) on customers request and no charges to be levied. I don't see ANY reason why the cost of such cannot be covered. (but here in Malaysia...I sense all sorts of implications and farnie problems..because the business culture is quite rotten and unscroupulous!)

You are really unhappy living in this country, aren't you? That is no way to live, man....

[kokomo]

You don't see the point. What I am saying is that when you go to a restaurant, you do not expect 2 mugs of warm water to be free. Not even in a coffee shop. Surely that is not too hard for you to digest?

Ok, to be realistic. Nothing is free around anymore. Whatever the amount we're paying here for food and drinks - we also have to consider where is the place, what kind of place and how is the ambience around. Everything is pleasant to our eyes and moods then surely something is not pleasant at all. PRICES! If eating out is cheap and esp in those cuisine kind of restaurant then no one will be cooking at home and if once a blue moon you go this kind of place and being charge above RM10 but below RM50 - it's considerably reasonable already.

Imagine this, 1 cup of ice blended coffee you drink also more than RM10, what more if its' a whole meal you had in a cuisine restaurant?

How minimise complaints around? Go where you can afford and you know the prices best. If you don't know the price then please don't expect to know the price would be around your budget unless you have a very high budget for a meal.

isabelle, I can digest it but doesn't mean others could - you can see the response back here how its being posted.

[isabelle]

Ok, to be realistic. Nothing is free around anymore. Whatever the amount we're paying here for food and drinks - we also have to consider where is the place, what kind of place and how is the ambience around. Everything is pleasant to our eyes and moods then surely something is not pleasant at all. PRICES! If eating out is cheap and esp in those cuisine kind of restaurant then no one will be cooking at home and if once a blue moon you go this kind of place and being charge above RM10 but below RM50 - it's considerably reasonable already.

Imagine this, 1 cup of ice blended coffee you drink also more than RM10, what more if its' a whole meal you had in a cuisine restaurant?

How minimise complaints around? Go where you can afford and you know the prices best. If you don't know the price then please don't expect to know the price would be around your budget unless you have a very high budget for a meal.

isabelle, I can digest it but doesn't mean others could - you can see the response back here how its being posted.

Kokomo. Thank you for your clarification. I apologize for my earlier post which was perhaps not very polite. I am sorry.

Yes. I always follow this rule. If I intend to eat out, then I make it a point not to complain about prices. If I am in a complaining and whining mood, then I shut myself up in the house and wallow in my own self-pity.

[Jokee]

There are other drinks to order. When and if you open a coffee shop or restaurant next time, are you going to declare that all water - hot, warm, iced are all free? Please be honest.
isabelle owns some sort of eatery shop here? :D

[isabelle]

isabelle owns some sort of eatery shop here? :D

No la. I am trying to see the other side of the coin. :)

[Jokee]

No la. I am trying to see the other side of the coin. :)
the way you defend is quite offensive. :D Just like your livehood is at stake. The way we defend is also like our savings is at stake. :D

[isabelle]

the way you defend is quite offensive. :D Just like your livehood is at stake. The way we defend is also like our savings is at stake. :D

What do you mean? Do you mean "offensive" as in that I offend people? Or are you talking about "offensive" as in tactics?

[kokomo]

Kokomo. Thank you for your clarification. I apologize for my earlier post which was perhaps not very polite. I am sorry.

Yes. I always follow this rule. If I intend to eat out, then I make it a point not to complain about prices. If I am in a complaining and whining mood, then I shut myself up in the house and wallow in my own self-pity.

I'm also sorry if I've been harsh to you. We should be in a CNY mood; mood for celebration to forgive but not forget (learn from experience) do the right thing.

I don't mean we can't complaint - but a complaint statement can be a plain and simple like TGIF (it's expensive to go there) but portions are good. Vietnamese cuisine or Korean BBQ (don't expect to pay for the price of a tai chow) and get good quality service as well. Or Coffee Bean - pay so much still I have to stand there wait for my drinks and take myself to find a place to seat. But I don't see ppl complaining about that also. Every eatery place or drinking place has got price and system. Don't agree with the pricing then can find other cheaper ones; don't agree with the service and the price paid - not tally to say ... definitely gotta complaint in here and let me know so that I can avoid going there. ;)

[Teff]

It's amazing to see a simple post turn into a heated exchange. Well, I guess what Isabelle really means is that there's nothing free in the world these days and I must say that I agree with her. In essence, eateries nowadays do charge for "sky juice" hot, cold, warm, whatever. Perhaps the only thing to be questioned here is the PRICE. Yes, I must also say that RM1.20 per mug is extravagant and they shouldnt charge that much, but hey i guess there isnt a policy which provides for a guideline on how much to charge for a glass of plain water in eateries, hence restaurant owners are somehow at liberty to charge however much they wish. It's unfair to us customers but hey, thats life I guess. Thats what u call business, cutthroat or not. Now that we are all aware of such exorbitant prices for a glass of water, maybe we shouldnt opt for water at eateries anymore. Just order your favourite drink, and drink away! :)

[isabelle]

I don't mean we can't complaint - but a complaint statement can be a plain and simple like TGIF (it's expensive to go there) but portions are good. Vietnamese cuisine or Korean BBQ (don't expect to pay for the price of a tai chow) and get good quality service as well. Or Coffee Bean - pay so much still I have to stand there wait for my drinks and take myself to find a place to seat. But I don't see ppl complaining about that also. Every eatery place or drinking place has got price and system. Don't agree with the pricing then can find other cheaper ones; don't agree with the service and the price paid - not tally to say ... definitely gotta complaint in here and let me know so that I can avoid going there. ;)

I agree with you about a complaint. A legitimate complaint is to raise awareness. But you know as well as I do how the thread would go. It becomes personal, ugly and vindictive - blaming the operator of a coffee shop because he earns RM10k a month, belittling others and taking pot shots at the government for anything and everything.

[kokomo]

It's amazing to see a simple post turn into a heated exchange. :)

This heat is just spice (small one) or it would rather be a warming up session but then again at least I get to know isabelle kind of person better.

She's direct & never did beat around the bush. Everyone has a piece of their mind to say something. Everyone has got the right to post it out right but we also have to know our limits right before the admin person comes in to pour cold water around.

[kokomo]

I agree with you about a complaint. A legitimate complaint is to raise awareness. But you know as well as I do how the thread would go. It becomes personal, ugly and vindictive - blaming the operator of a coffee shop because he earns RM10k a month, belittling others and taking pot shots at the government for anything and everything.

Everyone that makes their own business have their own way in doing it and their own system to set. I would say shrewed way of doing business. Let's for example we say - shop rental, deco setting & service is good but quality of food and drinks are below average - that I would consider it expensive. If they say is good then it would be reasonable.

Regarding the goverment doing something or nothing - to me they only know how to collect tax. And tax is all I have to pay excluding others first.

[ILoveFryChicken]

Ok, Ok hot topic, alot of different perceptions about Water, price, rain water well and even..Beliefs.

I am not going to point fingers or quote anyone and then debate them with different topics..i find it rude to the original poster.

Anyway..

Warm water at 1.20 is pathetic! and a shop not selling Warm water is MORE PATHETIC! I understand that if we go into a shop and only order warm water is going to make the F&B outlet bankrupt. BUT who the hell does that anyways?

Warm water are meant for people who are either lactose intolerance, breathing problems, or to swallow their medicine. you should not even charge anything for it. Your revenue base of the restaurant is not Warm water. you might not earn much from that customer, but you earn his/her heart by providing good services.

In Thailand, now i am not talking about Cambodia or Laos, Thailand have no Charge for warm water, or boiled water. Even in a hawker stall, where they sell noodles for rm2.50, chicken rice for rm.2.00, water is always on the table for you to fill.

Back to warm water, I once dine at OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE in Bintang Walk with my Australian/American friends and one of them ordered Warm water. the waiter said there is no warm water served here. i asked for the manager. The proprietor came instead and told me that they don't serve warm water for hygienic reasons. Obviously they assume everyone have to drink mineral water which they overcharge.

I told him to use common sense, open a mineral water bottle, put in a mug, put into microwave for 3 minutes and voila! warm water! So don't bull SH*T me of no warm water! And yes you can charge me for the expensive mineral water but you ain't getting the rm30 tip from my American Friend that pays the bill!

In the nutshell, only Restaurant owners who doesn't use common sense will charge their warm water rm1.20 or dont serve warm water. Question, what do they use to make a hot coffee? all from Cans?

thank you.

[Teff]

This heat is just spice (small one) or it would rather be a warming up session but then again at least I get to know isabelle kind of person better.

She's direct & never did beat around the bush. Everyone has a piece of their mind to say something. Everyone has got the right to post it out right but we also have to know our limits right before the admin person comes in to pour cold water around.

Exactly, Kokomo.. :)

[kokomo]

Exactly, Kokomo.. :)

I assume that you're new to this forum here. Haven't got the time to welcome you to the forum. Hope you enjoy your stay in this forum to contribute more of your ideas and experience & knowledge to everyone. :)

[joker2107]

QUOTE=isabelle
Please don't be personal and rude.
I'D RATHER LEAVE IT TO MY ALLAH TO JUDGE.

Allah does not favour me or others with wealth or poverty. Your concept of Allah is totally nonsensical and immature.
BUT THAT WAS NOT A "CONCEPT" STATEMENT - IT WAS A PRAYER.

You don't know the meaning of poverty.
SINCE WHEN HAVE YOU KNOWN THE YEARS THAT HAVE PASSED ME BY?

I do.
GOOD. BUT I HOPE ITS NOT IN THE ACADEMIC SENSE BUT AS A PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.

And rain water is free.
EXACTLY WHAT NADES AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT.

It is unfortunate that the very poor and the very rich have to share the same earth to live in
I WOULDN'T DARE CRITICISE THE PLANS OF MY ALMIGHTY ALLAH

and the differences become so glaring.
THE PESSIMIST SEES THE DIFFERENCE, THE OPTIMIST SEES SIMILARITIES - WE ARE ALL HUMANS. THE REALIST BRIDGES THE GAP.

It is no shame to be poor. It is no shame to be rich either.
NOW YOU ARE GETTING THE POINT. BUT ITS A SHAME WHEN THE ONE WHO HAS FLAUNTS HIS WEALTH AND TO TAUNT THE ONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE. BACK TO THE BEAUTITUDES AGAIN.
/QUOTE

[joker2107]

It's amazing to see a simple post turn into a heated exchange.
this is a public forum where people express their honest views. we must not take it personally just because somebody else disagrees with us. i dont see the posts here as "heated exchange". look at it positively as a couple of forumers standing their ground, trying to convince each other that their views should score more merit points, blah blah blah. :D

it might look like i have acquired an anti-me figurine recently but i have no feelings about it. she's just piecing her thoughts and i doing the same. only diff, besides which side of the fence we stand on, is, i think i have managed to stay off judgemental statemnets so far (i'm human, sometimes i can blunder, sometimes i'm just plain mischievous). ;)

i love ilovefriedchicken

[isabelle]

QUOTE=isabelle
Please don't be personal and rude.
I'D RATHER LEAVE IT TO MY ALLAH TO JUDGE.

Allah does not favour me or others with wealth or poverty. Your concept of Allah is totally nonsensical and immature.
BUT THAT WAS NOT A "CONCEPT" STATEMENT - IT WAS A PRAYER.

You don't know the meaning of poverty.
SINCE WHEN HAVE YOU KNOWN THE YEARS THAT HAVE PASSED ME BY?

I do.
GOOD. BUT I HOPE ITS NOT IN THE ACADEMIC SENSE BUT AS A PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.

And rain water is free.
EXACTLY WHAT NADES AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT.

It is unfortunate that the very poor and the very rich have to share the same earth to live in
I WOULDN'T DARE CRITICISE THE PLANS OF MY ALMIGHTY ALLAH

and the differences become so glaring.
THE PESSIMIST SEES THE DIFFERENCE, THE OPTIMIST SEES SIMILARITIES - WE ARE ALL HUMANS. THE REALIST BRIDGES THE GAP.

It is no shame to be poor. It is no shame to be rich either.
NOW YOU ARE GETTING THE POINT. BUT ITS A SHAME WHEN THE ONE WHO HAS FLAUNTS HIS WEALTH AND TO TAUNT THE ONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE. BACK TO THE BEAUTITUDES AGAIN.
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Do I need to carry on this conversation with a Joker? Na.... Goodbye, Joke.

[isabelle]

this is a public forum where people express their honest views. we must not take it personally just because somebody else disagrees with us. i dont see the posts here as "heated exchange". look at it positively as a couple of forumers standing their ground, trying to convince each other that their views should score more merit points, blah blah blah. :D

Indeed. It is "their" honest views as long as they agree with you. Goodbye, Joke. :)

[joker2107]

godobye for now, isabelle. i think it would be interesting to meet you ... but i hope not in the form that you see... :D

do have a pleasant festive season and may this year of the rat be as productive as the rodent for you.

[Teff]

I assume that you're new to this forum here. Haven't got the time to welcome you to the forum. Hope you enjoy your stay in this forum to contribute more of your ideas and experience & knowledge to everyone. :)

Hi Kokomo, yes thanks a lot :) Am fairly new to the community and hope to contribute more for the betterment of everyone :) Cheers! :D

[Teff]

this is a public forum where people express their honest views. we must not take it personally just because somebody else disagrees with us. i dont see the posts here as "heated exchange". look at it positively as a couple of forumers standing their ground, trying to convince each other that their views should score more merit points, blah blah blah. :D

it might look like i have acquired an anti-me figurine recently but i have no feelings about it. she's just piecing her thoughts and i doing the same. only diff, besides which side of the fence we stand on, is, i think i have managed to stay off judgemental statemnets so far (i'm human, sometimes i can blunder, sometimes i'm just plain mischievous). ;)



Joker, your point exactly! You dont view the posts as a "heated exchange", but I do! Isnt that like my voicing out my disagreement/opinion too? I rest my case :)

[jimijamison]

I also kena RM 1.20 for warm water at PAPPA-KOPITIAM.

I cannot recall, but if this 'charge' is not stated in the menu, is it not illegal? Next time, I will be more vigilent...
and more prudent :(

[racheljansz]

I also kena RM 1.20 for warm water at PAPPA-KOPITIAM.

I cannot recall, but if this 'charge' is not stated in the menu, is it not illegal? Next time, I will be more vigilent...
and more prudent :(Not illegal if it is stated.
Do check the menu if you are not able (emotionally or otherwise) to pay for water, be it warm or cold or hot.

[starrnorth]

put in some special lights and some so-called special furniture, and you can charge extra. For eg, like kopitiam can charge 3 times for coffee compare with coffeeshop. Stilll people go - usually youngsters, and some elders who think it is "in" to go to such places.

[Amanda]

ya lor... i think for those hi tech restaurent we pay for the ambience... however, for ah pek coffee shop the price should be the standard price. they should not charge above market rate. rm 1.20 for a warm water in papa kopitiam is really too much.. it should be about 30 cents. Chinese tea ice about 50 cents. Barley ice about RM 1.30. Teh/Kopi 0 Ais about RM 1.40, with susu add 10 cents. :D We have been eating outside for more than ten years..... hehehhe :D some of the market price of drinks in kopitiam :D

[ILoveFryChicken]

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Thanks joker2107

and i love the '' positively as a couple of forumers standing their ground '' part.

Stand firm and fight for what you believed in. At the end of the day even though nobody can tell who's right, but if you give up, people will think that you are wrong!