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AllUrban
09-01-2008, 02:02 PM
Greetings all

m is looking to upgrade his cellular phone and is thinking of the opportunity of investing a smartphone to help in his daily activities.

m, as you know, is often writing about public transportation and rides the bus and LRT alot...using public transportation allows him to have a lot of free time to think and work...and m believes that his productivity would increase with a smartphone.

Now, m only has simple needs. He doesnt need to check his email that often, and he is not a business person so there is no need to contact the office regularly.

He just wants a simple, easy to use mobile device that is also a handphone, and a camera would be nice as well.

Being able to read and write .doc, .ppt, or .xls (or the equivalent) is very important

Preferred features include:

*decent battery life
*decent price (+/- RM2000 when new but of course - is better)
*touch screen input
*security from viruses etc
*email access (it might be necessary once in a while)
*camera
*good call quality
*keypad input (option - still not sure of the value)

Thanks very much. Your suggestions are much appreciated.

If anyone has a gently used smartphone that they think would meet these needs, please let me know and/or pm me.

Cheers, m

chanseng738
09-01-2008, 02:30 PM
why dont m just buy a laptop + a simple basic handphone?

chewie
09-01-2008, 02:35 PM
htc tyten 2 ...

VeeJay
09-01-2008, 02:39 PM
I guess Chanseng has a valid point raised. :-) For the amount you gonna invest, notebook is a better option (although its bigger and heavier then cellphone). But it wont have the hassle of having a PDA in cell.

Most of them who has the so called 'smartphone', complaints about OS hangs, need constant reboots, frequents to service centers...finally ends up using is just for calls.

But then agin, if you have the cash, then go for it...just my 2 cents.

hhtee
09-01-2008, 02:51 PM
I guess Chanseng has a valid point raised. :-) For the amount you gonna invest, notebook is a better option (although its bigger and heavier then cellphone). But it wont have the hassle of having a PDA in cell.

Most of them who has the so called 'smartphone', complaints about OS hangs, need constant reboots, frequents to service centers...finally ends up using is just for calls.

But then agin, if you have the cash, then go for it...just my 2 cents.
very true m. I bought my HP IPAQ and regretted. It has got Microsoft Word and Microsoft Excel. It can read and write *.doc and *.xls.
I bought it I think during the end of 2006.
I can't exactly remember the price but I know if I added a few more hundred, I could get a laptop.

The problem with the *.doc and *.xls is that it cannot open VERY large files. Also, I cannot run simple Visual Basic for Applications.

The battery lasted about 1 or 2 days and it uses the stylus for input. As for viruses, so far I have no viruses. The email access is done either thru wireless internet (wifi) or GPRS (expensive). The camera is only good when you have very bright lighting. The call quality is ok.

That's about my HP iPAQ 6828.

oh, as for PPT, my HP iPAQ does not come with the reader. I have to download the PPT reader and I can't remember how I did it but I just did it. But I cannot "write" the PPT file.

bslee
09-01-2008, 02:56 PM
Its my view that smartphones have NOT really matured yet to be a "do all and next best thing" portable gadget. Its still got pros and cons.
Laptop is still a bulky thing to lug around.

AllUrban
09-01-2008, 03:00 PM
Thanks for the info and advice...keep it coming.

Chanseng, actually I already have a notebook...but like Veejay said, it is bulkier and heavier than a cellular phone.

I am also looking to incorporate the smartphone into my teaching...using the smartphone to enter and review information, marks, etc.

I know I can have a pda and laptop and cellular phone...to do all of those things...but Im just thinking that it would be more convenient to have those applications in one package.

Cheers, m

Jey
09-01-2008, 03:15 PM
I use a P1i sony ericsson smart phone and I have not regretted it ever since i bougtht it. I used to use a P900 and then a P910! earlier. I am happy with this phone and I use the Mobile Office alot too to create / edit Excel files when on the go.

I also have a very good condition O2 XDA Executive which is called the first mini laptop as it has every feature of a laptop and running on Windows Mobile 5 and has 3G, Wifi, Bluetooth, etc, etc.... willing to let go if you are interested. PM me if you are. Only reason for wanting to let go is I have a P1i currently.

AllUrban
09-01-2008, 03:44 PM
I use a P1i sony ericsson smart phone and I have not regretted it ever since i bougtht it. I used to use a P900 and then a P910! earlier. I am happy with this phone and I use the Mobile Office alot too to create / edit Excel files when on the go.

I also have a very good condition O2 XDA Executive which is called the first mini laptop as it has every feature of a laptop and running on Windows Mobile 5 and has 3G, Wifi, Bluetooth, etc, etc.... willing to let go if you are interested. PM me if you are. Only reason for wanting to let go is I have a P1i currently.Thanks for the info Jey. I looked at the p1i as well. It is a nice phone, simple to use and easy to carry.

Cheers, m

robertec
09-01-2008, 04:09 PM
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Preferred features include:

*decent battery life
*decent price (+/- RM2000 when new but of course - is better)
*touch screen input
*security from viruses etc
*email access (it might be necessary once in a while)
*camera
*good call quality
*keypad input (option - still not sure of the value)
m

I presently use a Nokia E61i (I think the current price should be about RM1399, not too sure) when I bought it sometime back it was about RM1699). It has got almost everything that you want except for the touch screen input.

Now a days, I don’t use my laptop when I return home, I use the E61i to check email and to surf the web using WLAN, you could use 3G if you are travelling on a bus. The web surfing experience is very good except that you need to be careful of the running out of memory problem. Using Opera Mini rids you of the problem and I must say that it is one of the better phones around for this purpose because of the size of the screen. (well compared to the Nokia 9300i that I have, which is “well” slow)

With the money that you save get the following:

Using an email program like Profimail would make checking your email so much easier.

Get the full blown version of Quick Office to have full access to edit Microsoft’s Suite of documents.

These are the cons:
The E61i is a 2 hand mobile, I doubt that you can operate it with just one hand.
The keypad whilst quite solid, is not recommended for long periods of data entry. (the Nokia 9300i has a much better keypad)

If you had the dough go for a Nokia E90, I understand from Greenbug that it is really good (except maybe for the keypad), but the price is nearing 4K.

As you can imagine I am a Nokia Man, I have gone through so many Nokia phones that it is really obscene.


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SJECHO
09-01-2008, 06:15 PM
Was just checking out something along those lines...two options came to me - O2 phone which has 3G, WiFi and everything else that comes with a mobile phone eg camera etc.
The other is the Sony Ericson model which does all the same.
Both are touch screen.
O2-Atom Exec is going at RM1,300++
Sony Ericson is going at RM1,600++

Guy
10-01-2008, 12:02 PM
I'm using a Dopod 838 Pro. Pretty reliable. Should cost around RM2K to RM2.2K now with the introduction of HTC Tytn 2. Dopod 838 Pro is actually HTC TyTn 1 in some countries. Tytn 2 should cost around RM3K to RM3.2K. Dopod and HTC should be the best Smart phone makers around. I'm using my Dopod for emails (windows mobile), surfing the internet using 3G (unlimited plan quite affordable) or Wi-Fi, making video calls with family members, voice call for business and its 2 mega-pix camera with flash is pretty decent. I have stopped bringing my notebook/lap top around after having this Dopod.

555
10-01-2008, 12:05 PM
I am using a Dopod D810, always "Hang", always unable to pickup voice call , 3G always disconnnect , maxis 3G as slow as dial up.

I think you better wait for Iphone.

Samaritan
10-01-2008, 12:27 PM
Hey 555. thats my car number plate, man! I have a Golf GTI with 555 number, lah!

555
10-01-2008, 12:29 PM
Don't annouce your car plate here la...have u just read crimes crimes crimes about the indicident in Kota Kemuning ?

Samaritan
10-01-2008, 12:29 PM
If you had the dough go for a Nokia E90, I understand from Greenbug that it is really good (except maybe for the keypad), but the price is nearing 4K.
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I vouch for the E90, I have a maroon one... yes the keypad might be a little bit small but really a good business phone. Its about RM3,688 now when I saw it at 1-Utama. Make sure you get the free leather phone holder, it costs S$280 each, brader!

isarahim
11-01-2008, 05:58 AM
Thanks for the info Jey. I looked at the p1i as well. It is a nice phone, simple to use and easy to carry.
I can subsribe to this as well. The P1i is excellent. It's a fairly decent MP3 player as well if you so wish.

Also check out the new W960. Seems to getting good reviews. It's like a P1i but with more emphasis on MP3 playing. Hence the Walkman branding.

If touch screen it's not important (touch screen is very important for me coz i like to jot) then the Nokia E90.

Ullas Sahadevan
11-01-2008, 08:50 AM
I can subsribe to this as well. The P1i is excellent. It's a fairly decent MP3 player as well if you so wish.
Does the P1i also have a bigger screen compared to the P990i? and much cheaper as well with a more powerful camera? Also any idea how much is the W960 retailing at currently?

sly
11-01-2008, 11:00 AM
Hey 555. thats my car number plate, man! I have a Golf GTI with 555 number, lah!

ooo...ic...must be blue colour....and nearby my house...i will be watching... he he he :)

cskok8
11-01-2008, 11:02 AM
I have been using a Palm for almost 10 years. The good thing about the Palm OS is its simplicity and it never hangs. But my latest Palm (Zire 21) just died and last night went to Sunway Pyramid to look for a replacement. Looks like nobody is selling Palm OS based PDAs anymore. I use it mainly for storing my contacts list and calender so I do not need a very high end device. They only have the Treo series of PDA-phones. Anybody knows where I can get a simple Palm PDA?

robertec
11-01-2008, 11:19 AM
I have been using a Palm for almost 10 years. The good thing about the Palm OS is its simplicity and it never hangs. But my latest Palm (Zire 21) just died and last night went to Sunway Pyramid to look for a replacement. Looks like nobody is selling Palm OS based PDAs anymore. I use it mainly for storing my contacts list and calender so I do not need a very high end device. They only have the Treo series of PDA-phones. Anybody knows where I can get a simple Palm PDA?

I use to have a Palm IIIx, ancient no?

I think it was still working when I retired it. Will that do for you? LOL? and like when I was trying to get rid of my Maxis wireless... I'll sing you the song.

And talking about ancient I also have a HP 100 LX that is still working... for those of you who still remembered it.

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cskok8
11-01-2008, 11:26 AM
I use to have a Palm IIIx, ancient no?

I think it was still working when I retired it. Will that do for you? LOL? and like when I was trying to get rid of my Maxis wireless... I'll sing you the song.



That IS ancient. :p

I had a m105 then Zire 21.

isarahim
11-01-2008, 02:14 PM
I STILL use a Psion Series 5mx.

And i bought a few spare units on eBay just in case the first one fails.

After 10 years... i'm still in love with this gadget....the very typeable keyboard...the robustness...the best Agenda ever made....when turning on everything is just as it was when i turned it off.....the battery life....AA batteries instead of some non-standard rechargeable.....

Black&White screen, yes... who cares.... i got the P1i for all the fancy stuff...

isarahim
11-01-2008, 02:31 PM
Does the P1i also have a bigger screen compared to the P990i? and much cheaper as well with a more powerful camera? Also any idea how much is the W960 retailing at currently?
P1i has larger screen and better camera. Most importantly it's got far larger memory than the P990i, so it doesn't run out of it like the P990i tends to do with heavy usage.

Best comparison at the bottom of this page:

http://www.symbian.com/phones/index.html

You get the W960 here as well. From what i understand from reviews the predecessor, W950, had a lot of hardware issues. All this is fixed in the W960. Price in Malaysia? No clue. Haven't been to Low Yat for a while. But it shouldn't be too far off the W950 release price.

AllUrban
11-01-2008, 03:26 PM
I am using a Dopod D810, always "Hang", always unable to pickup voice call , 3G always disconnnect , maxis 3G as slow as dial up.

I think you better wait for Iphone.iphone is a beautiful piece of technology but it is not a business phone. It is much more in line with the LG KU990 viewty...a lifestyle phone.

That said...I love the look and the feel of the iphone...it is available for about RM3500 here

Cheers, m

blurrman
11-01-2008, 09:59 PM
hi allurban,

productivities from using small devices like PDA will be very very low compare to a notebook. browsing from a PDA screen will be tedious too because most of the websites were designed to fit 800x600 and more screen resolution. seeing 4x6 columns from a micro excel is not much of help. and typing from a puny little keyboard will put u in strain too. not to mention the risk of being rob using your little RM3000 smartphone in a public area.

since you have some spare times during your transition betweens public transportation, why not take out a book to read? saved you RM3000 and save u a lot of frustration using that little PDA in a public area.

cheers

Ullas Sahadevan
11-01-2008, 11:13 PM
iphone is a beautiful piece of technology but it is not a business phone. It is much more in line with the LG KU990 viewty...a lifestyle phone.

That said...I love the look and the feel of the iphone...it is available for about RM3500 here

Cheers, mI hear the iphone is set for official release here in Malaysia only in 2009? You are right when you say it is a lifestyle phone, but like all Apple products it has great snob value and is difficult to resist :)

isarahim
12-01-2008, 11:34 AM
productivities from using small devices like PDA will be very very low compare to a notebook. browsing from a PDA screen will be tedious too because most of the websites were designed to fit 800x600 and more screen resolution. seeing 4x6 columns from a micro excel is not much of help. and typing from a puny little keyboard will put u in strain too. not to mention the risk of being rob using your little RM3000 smartphone in a public areasince you have some spare times during your transition betweens public transportation, why not take out a book to read? saved you RM3000 and save u a lot of frustration using that little PDA in a public area.
This depends entirely what you're doing. The frustration with a notebook is it's heaviness and clumsiness, it's lack of battery lifetime, it's long booting times and a pretty unfriendly user interface.

It also depends on the PDA. I agree you can't do much useful work on a Dopod for instance. I reiterate my love for the Psion 5mx, because it has the most comfortable 10-finger friendly keyboard of any PDA ever, even beating many notebook keyboards despite smaller size. When you open it for a quick note taking, for checking agenda entry, for consulting your shopping list or for finding an address, it's ON within 10 milliseconds (no booting times or hibernation hangups) and it opens exactly as you closed it. You can't get that with any notebook.

isarahim
12-01-2008, 11:37 AM
I hear the iphone is set for official release here in Malaysia only in 2009? You are right when you say it is a lifestyle phone, but like all Apple products it has great snob value and is difficult to resist
I think iPhone is vastly overhyped.

It's not a bad phone, but it's not a particularly good one either.

Any high end Symbian phone runs circles around the iPhone in features.

The design is quite innovative I agree, but that's not just enough for anyone whose demands are more than skin deep.

Ullas Sahadevan
12-01-2008, 12:00 PM
I think iPhone is vastly overhyped.

It's not a bad phone, but it's not a particularly good one either.

Any high end Symbian phone runs circles around the iPhone in features.

The design is quite innovative I agree, but that's not just enough for anyone whose demands are more than skin deep.I would agree with that. I have friends using the iphone tell me there are still a few UI issues that still needs to be fixed and these are guys who have used other smart phones. Next, we should all wait for the Google Phone. Anythings possible, afterall NOKIA was a lumbering company ;)

FineTuned
12-01-2008, 12:24 PM
Has anyone any experience with the Blackberry?

fonzie
12-01-2008, 01:36 PM
How about the Nokia95 8GB phone..? It is pretty much an all-in-one thingy - wifi, 3G, GPS, email, besides the usual std phone features....

Cheers!
FonZie

isarahim
13-01-2008, 10:14 AM
Has anyone any experience with the Blackberry?
I tried it. I'm in complete disbelief why it's been popular at all.

The only thing it has going for it is push email, assumed you can access such service. Else it's a pretty mediocre line of products with a proprietary OS, pretty poor PIMs, poor compatibility with common file formats, poor phone functionality etc.

If I want their push email I'd rather go for a Nokia with the Blackberry application licenced.

AllUrban
14-01-2008, 01:04 PM
Blurrman, thank you for your suggestions. I used to have a notebook which I filled up with jottings about LRT and bus routes and improvements...but I realize now that I need to organize myself better, and I find that my hand cramps more often now when writing. Typing or using a stylus is alot easier for me.

Lately Ive been leaning towards the P1i for a few reasons...the advantages such as the small size, touch screen, and keyboard seem to be good for my needs.

Im seeing vastly different prices tho...from as low as RM1480 to as much as RM2199.

This is a really huge difference....I was told that the difference was because some phones are "AP" and the others are "original"

Does "AP" in this context refer to "foreign-sourced" phones (just like the foreign cars) or something else?

Cheers, m

Ullas Sahadevan
14-01-2008, 02:06 PM
Lately Ive been leaning towards the P1i for a few reasons...the advantages such as the small size, touch screen, and keyboard seem to be good for my needs.Do keep in mind the unusual keypad layout. Maybe somebody who has used this phone before can shed some light on how usable or not the P1i keypad is?

AllUrban
14-01-2008, 02:32 PM
Do keep in mind the unusual keypad layout. Maybe somebody who has used this phone before can shed some light on how usable or not the P1i keypad is?That's an important point too.

However, I figure that since I am changing from an older Nokia to something else, I will already be facing challenges with different keyboard layouts.

I always found it a problem to borrow my girlfriend's old Samsung phone, and her new sony phone is also confusing...so many little keys :eek:

Cheers, m

Jey
14-01-2008, 03:29 PM
Do keep in mind the unusual keypad layout. Maybe somebody who has used this phone before can shed some light on how usable or not the P1i keypad is?

Being a touchscreen, they do have an option for stylus with an onboard virtual keyboard. Alternatively u can use the qwerty keyboard which takes alittle getting used to. Once done, its very easy and userfriendly. I prefer to use the keypad instead of the stylus and I have no issues so far.

isarahim
14-01-2008, 04:42 PM
Do keep in mind the unusual keypad layout. Maybe somebody who has used this phone before can shed some light on how usable or not the P1i keypad is?
Steve Litchfield, the sort of famous reviewer in AllAboutSymbian (www.allaboutsymbian.com), did a speed test of P1i versus Nokia E61i versus (i think) a Dopod and found the typing speed roughly the same.

At the end of the day a matter of taste of course, but I prefer this to the previous SE models (P910 and P990) where it was attempted to cram a full QWERTY into 4 cm width.....

AllUrban
29-01-2008, 11:08 AM
Everyone

Thank you for the advice...I did end up purchasing the P1i...the size and the keypad and touchscreen option made it very appealing to me.

I've had the phone for about 1 week now, just getting used to it. Ullas was right about the keypad but it is starting to make more sense to me. The main issue is the handwriting recognition...and it will be interesting to see how the files apply.

I tried to load the PC suite into my computer yesterday...wow that took a very long time...phones are certainly very different now, lots of technology required.

My phone was imported from HK, so all of the files that were loaded are in Chinese...Im trying to see how to upgrade my phone and SIM so I can use the 3G service...after that is done Im going to try to get internet access at the local starbucks or wifi hotspot, see if that works.

Anyways, thanks again for the advice, and if anyone is curious about the latest smartphones, clearly this is a good thread to look at.

Cheers, m

tryagain
29-01-2008, 11:18 AM
The P1i you bought can be upgraded thru internet. It is explained in the manual. Since your phone is from HK, there is a possibility the phone is not mean from local market but as the HK people is enterpreneurial, they change the software to chinese and English.

For upgrade thru internet, it may need a stable internet connection to upgrade. It may take 1 hr or so. The software to be upgraded is determined by IMEI number of your phone. Your have no control what software you need to put to the phone but the sonyericsson internet sites will decide based on IMEI number. Sometimes, due to unforeseen circum. the connection is lost halfway. Then you may need the shops to upgrade for you.