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USJ27Resident
26-11-2007, 12:32 AM
This evening @ 6.00pm while filling petrol at the Shell USJ23, 3 young kids [2 boys and a girl between 6 - 10 years old] approached me and tried to solicit cash donation for their brother whom they claim was sick...

I was like SHOCKED/STARTLED as these kids suddenly appeared out of nowhere and started rambling in actual good/proper English about their little brother who is needing funds to treat some allergy :confused:....

NOW WHAT FREAKED ME OUT was when I got concerned and asked about where were their parents ??? ... the boy points to a silver Perodua MyVi [can't remember the number] parked on the outer perimeter with their 'mother' sitting in the drivers' seat, "oblivious" that her 'kids' were running :eek: from filling bay to filling bay in a busy petrol station ...

Has anyone come across any of these kids or seen these kids at this or other petrol station ?? As I was in a helluva rush to get to another place, I could not stop to investigate further....

Now sitting at home, I am as angry as hell thinking of WHAT IF , one of the kids got hit by a car or vehicle ... WHAT IF, the brother is really sick and needs help.... WHAT IF,... the mother? or guardian? is using the kids to scam the public...

So many questions... any answers/comments... :confused:

I also wanna know if/can a police report/action be taken against the mother? for endangering the kids' life like this... :mad:

chewie
26-11-2007, 12:42 AM
it might be a cheat...if their bro really needed help, why not the mother comes straight and ask....y not approach the papers...y not approach local MP's (since general election is coming)....

usj27...do go and report to the police...we might not know what is the actual story...


or maybe the mom is too shy to come and ask..

USJ27Resident
26-11-2007, 12:50 AM
it might be a cheat...

usj27...do go and report to the police...we might not know what is the actual story...

or maybe the mom is too shy to come and ask..

Dunno la... still... my heart now goes out for the kids... I shud have STOPPED and DONE SOMETHING... now kicking myself in the butt for NOT. :o

Anyway, just wanted to highlight this matter to ALL here - in case the kids turn up again in the vicinity again... mebbe we can help, mebbe we can find out what is going on with the kids, the funds and why is the mother [?] sitting in this (come to think of it... very new MyVi !!!!) while the kids are running in the open, asking for donations... :confused:

kwchang
26-11-2007, 12:52 AM
I did meet these kids last week. I did not have time to talk to them and they went to another bay. Later I saw one guy chatting with their "mother" - I do not think she was driving a MyVi - looked more like an Atos to me (vague memory). The petrol attendant at the counter told me that this family had been harassing his clients every night that week. Recently they were no longer there - probably had gone to another hunting ground.

The elder kid spoke perfect English and said his little brother had "yellow eyes". He was carrying a card filled with names - like the type you see when they come around to ask for donations for a school jogathon.

I understand one thing about "yellow eyes" - it refers to a liver or bile duct problem where too much bile in the blood causes jaundice and thus the whites of the eyes become yellow. If the kid had a liver problem, he would not be able to walk so easily between the petrol pump bays. He certainly did not look sick to me nor did he have yellow eyes. If he had a liver disease, his liver would be noticeably large and it would show as an enlarged abdomen.

The first thing that come to mid is they are unable to afford medical threatment. But why not go to GH, UH or HUKM? These government hospitals are free if you can prove that you are unable to afford the medical charges. Why solicit funds this way?

I find that the mother is irresponsible to use her children to solicit for funds like that.

USJ27Resident
26-11-2007, 01:10 AM
I did meet these kids last week. I did not have time to talk to them and they went to another bay. Later I saw one guy chatting with their "mother" - I do not think she was driving a MyVi - looked more like an Atos to me (vague memory). The petrol attendant at the counter told me that this family had been harassing his clients every night that week. Recently they were no longer there - probably had gone to another hunting ground.

The elder kid spoke perfect English and said his little brother had "yellow eyes". He was carrying a card filled with names - like the type you see when they come around to ask for donations for a school jogathon.

I find that the mother is irresponsible to use her children to solicit for funds like that.

So you too... bumped into this kids... which petrol station!!!???

Yup... pretty sure it was a fairly new MyVi... xxU 53xx or xxU 563x

And yes... the elder kid spoke pretty good English too, holding this "jogathon-like" card in a plastic sleeve... and mentioned something about "allergy treatment", not "liver problems"...

I am ALSO pretty sure the "mother" noticed me looking at her/her car... where she "looks" away... :mad:

Tomorrow, I making police report.....

[..... collecting money to pay off AhLong/gambling/debts?????]

kwchang
26-11-2007, 01:16 AM
... which petrol station!!!
USJ9 Shell

... and mentioned something about "allergy treatment", not "liver problems"...
He did not say "liver problem" - he was probably only 10 or 11 years old. He said "yellow eyes"

I am ALSO pretty sure the "mother" noticed me looking at her/her car... where she "looks" away...
Just as I got down from my car, from the corner of my eye, I noticed her car stopping just behind the pump bays and the 2 kids promptly alighted and quickly walked to me ... they we well practiced, no hesitations and focused on their "mission". That very process made me smell something was not very right.

USJ27Resident
26-11-2007, 01:26 AM
USJ9 Shell...

... they we well practiced, no hesitations and focused on their "mission". That very process made me smell something was not very right.

Everyone... USJ9 last week...

today it was at USJ23/LDP Shell... possibly be local or nearby based... please, if you see them again, please get them into the petrol station or some place safe before a vehicle [car/lorry/motorcycle] hits one of them - THEN CALL the COPS..

yes Kwchang... their story was well rehearsed... NO HESITATION.

the little girl was such a sweet thing, mimicking the elder brother... :( and after the Nurin's case - one would think a parent would not leave a child out like this.... !!! :mad:

smell not right = its called INSTINCT... or GUT FEEL.... most of the time, it IS correct... so listen to it...

online12793
26-11-2007, 09:07 AM
They might be trying to get some money to pay for petrol or food.

chewie
26-11-2007, 09:43 AM
nevertheless, if we see them again, coax the kids to come into the petrol station and immediately call the police...ask the attendent there for help to look after them and then go and get the number plate and contact the police immediately.

hhtee
26-11-2007, 10:29 AM
photograph them and their mother's car also!

pcyeoh
26-11-2007, 12:50 PM
Always give the benefit of doubt to those who seek your help. It is only by talking to them will you know the real situation. We can't just jump to conclusion that she is using her kids to cheat us. What if it is for real? Are you game enough to help out. I don't mean by giving them RM 1.00. That is the easiest way out. If it is really true, you should be taking the mother to see our MP or ADUN to seek funds for the medical condition of the kid if the kid really have a liver problem. For anything lesser that that, may be a electronic hat can be passed round to help them out.

GreenBug
26-11-2007, 03:16 PM
I was at the Caltex Station last Saturday to pick up my Saturday papers (USJ12 or 13?) and the kids approached me. After the kids spoke to me, I pass them RM20 and asked to speak to their mother in the car and the kids led me there and got into her car ( MyVi) and the mother promptly drove off....

All I wanted to do was to find out whats the real problem and wanted to refer her to some 'friends' who could help her financially or find ways to settle her "problems".

After they drove off, my feeling was they are a family in trouble but do not know how to resolve their problems thus resorting to this approach to people at the pumps. Or maybe they are just scamming... the MyVi looks new to me... I didn't give much thought to it until now when I read USJ27Resident's posting.... oh where's the husabnd / father?

USJ27Resident
26-11-2007, 05:08 PM
After they drove off, my feeling was they are a family in trouble but do not know how to resolve their problems thus resorting to this approach to people at the pumps. Or maybe they are just scamming... the MyVi looks new to me... I didn't give much thought to it until now when I read USJ27Resident's posting.... oh where's the husabnd / father?

Greenbug, I agree with you - the family IS definately some sort of trouble but my contention is WHY put the kids in harms' way....

You and I , and [I am damn sure] a lot of us here would help if the family were to approach the proper channels/people for help....

Pc.. yes, I am jumping into conclusions - that the mother [guardian] irresponsible enough to let the kids go at some busy petrol station to solicit for donations... Come on, Malaysians are by nature, generous - but gullible too... I think not all... If this "liver? allegry?" thingy is true... then the mother is going about the wrong way to ask for help... but why the discretive/secretive nature of asking for donations... and of all places, at busy petrol stations!! What if one of the kids gets swiped or hit by a vehicle! :mad:
Then when Greenbug gave the money, if the gratitude was honest/sincere.. I am sure the mother would have come down to thank Greenbug and not just drive away... :eek: [I can only imagine the look on Greenbug's face... :p ]

Where is the father? God only knows... and God only knows if the father knows if the mother is doing this...

Anyway, just keep your eyes peeled for this 3 (sometimes 2) chinese kids and see if we can help them before something bad happens...

mel&sun
26-11-2007, 05:35 PM
Hi guys..

I've encountered this a month plus ago in Taipan. This mother will be driving around getting the kids (2 girls and sometimes the lil girl would be carrying a baby) to get money. These kids would come and ask for money.. at one time asked us for a few hundred bucks for the kids education as the mother has no money to buy books etc for them. I refused to give money, instead bought whatever school books they needed. They were so persistent in this that they came to look for me a few times. The mother drives a new myvi (can't remember was it white or silver). The kids are of mix parentage if i am not wrong.. the mother is abit round. The eldest kid speaks fluent english and speaks very well too. I was very upset with the mum who kept getting the kids to call me and all... pity the kids who have to do this. I made the kids bring me to their mother (who was sitting in the car nearby), gave her warning that i would report to the children's welfare. That was the last i saw of them.

USJ27Resident
26-11-2007, 05:42 PM
They mother drives a new myvi (can't remember was it white or silver). The kids are of mix parentage if i am not wrong.. the mother is abit round.

Myvi... Silver

Yes, kids looked like mixed parentage...

And yes... mother/guardian is on the round/plump side...

mel&sun
26-11-2007, 05:50 PM
Myvi... Silver

Yes, kids looked like mixed parentage...

And yes... mother/guardian is on the round/plump side...



According to the people around who've seen the mother for a couple of years... this mother goes around clinics to get cough syrup.. apparently she's hooked on drugs.

It would be good to get her reported as i really do pity the kids..

USJ27Resident
26-11-2007, 05:59 PM
According to the people around who've seen the mother for a couple of years... this mother goes around clinics to get cough syrup.. apparently she's hooked on drugs.

It would be good to get her reportedas i really do pity the kids..

Holy....

Ok... I've made the report this morning in USJ8 before heading to IRB office. If anyone sees them again, please don't be the "couldn't care less type"...

Please get the cops to come see what is happening...

GreenBug
26-11-2007, 06:35 PM
According to the people around who've seen the mother for a couple of years... this mother goes around clinics to get cough syrup.. apparently she's hooked on drugs.

It would be good to get her reported as i really do pity the kids..Yup.. mixed parentage children, plumpish mother, silver MyVi... that kinda fit those that I met last Saturday afternoon... geez my RM20 for cough syrups...

Anfield
11-12-2007, 10:29 PM
I was at the Shell petrol station (USJ 6) around 5pm today and noticed two little boys of fair-skinned approaching one of the customers. We thought nothing of it (thinking they were his kids). Next thing we noticed, the older of the two boys was approaching our car. Think he's about 9-10 years of age, but a little skinny and quite small built. My sis was in the front sit, my son, mum and I were in the back sit while waiting for my bro-in-law to fill up the tank.

He was gesturing to my sis to open the car door and naturally she did. In his hand, was something that looked like a medical record. He spoke fluent Malay, in a soft tone he asked us for help while pointing at the "medical record", saying theat his brother had some eye problem or something. we couldn't quite make out his entire expalnation but in a nutshell he wanted some money. we were quite taken aback as he was decently dressed, fair-skinned and big light brown eyes. My mum kept telling us to just give some money but it was just too bizzare....We debated what if it's a scam, etc -- to which my mum replied it doesn't matter as the culprits would have to answer to God!

We asked him for his name -- he replied "tony". we asked where were his parents and to our astonishment he pointed to the petrol pump (diagonally) behind us and said that's his mum!!!!! She was pumping gas. There were another 3 kids in the car. She drove a Silver Myvi - WPU 5366. My mum continued telling us to just give him some money and she passed rm5 to my sis to be passed to him. At that point I was so disgusted with the whole act as his mum just pretended not to know what he was begging. How can this woman subject her kids to such lowly acts...!?What was also unbelievable was that some of the petrol attendants were also joking and playing with her kids and also being friendly with her.

After taking the money, he thanked us and walked back to the car, by then his mum was done pumping gas (RM50 ok!!!) She then walked into her car and just coolly drove passed us, without even turning to look at us. What is society coming to??? Am just so,so disgusted and appalled at what took place. i don't know -- it could be true that his brother had a condition but hey man that's not the way to ask for help. Go to the press if you are genuine...

Anfield
11-12-2007, 10:35 PM
I
we were quite taken aback as he was decently dressed, fair-skinned and big light brown eyes. ...

Sorry typed wrongly, no racial slur intended - I wanted to sat this "we were quite taken aback as he was decently dressed. He was fair skinned with big light brown eyes."

I just wanted to describe his looks a little bit more..

CCY
11-12-2007, 10:52 PM
There's something that you may have missed....
(Admin note - both threads now merged)

USJ27Resident
11-12-2007, 11:09 PM
We asked him for his name -- he replied "tony". we asked where were his parents and to our astonishment he pointed to the petrol pump (diagonally) behind us and said that's his mum!!!!! She was pumping gas. There were another 3 kids in the car. She drove a Silver Myvi - WPU 5366. .. .

What the... AGAIN !!! :mad:

After lying low... the damn irresponsible woman is at it again !!!

Please la... somebody, IF YOU SEE HER or her car... CALL THE POLICE and get to the bottom of this... IF SHE NEED HELP, I'M SURE WE CAN HELP... but don't let her use the kids like that ... A BUSY PETROL STATION IS NOT THE PLACE TO SOLICIT DONATIONS! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Anfield
11-12-2007, 11:15 PM
Thanks CCY. Yup missed it. Did a quick run thru but I guess I overlooked that it has been posted already with the exact description... It's so sad - such intelligent kids may just go to waste..now that we've got the car reg, think we should make a police report...

geordie
11-12-2007, 11:20 PM
I think to make USJ forummers more aware of their modus operandi, the title of this post should be changed to something stronger - like "URGENT : LOOK OUT FOR THESE KIDS WHEN YOU ARE AT A USJ PETROL STATION".

If the info from another thread is not merely speculative in nature, the mum is a dope-head. Do not let the kids out of your sight should you be approached by them. Take as many photos if you can of mother, car and kids and alert the newspapers of their activities.

I hate to think that the children need to be put into care but if the mother is an addict ..... :(

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind .....

kwchang
12-12-2007, 01:05 AM
Have changed the title

orchipalar
12-12-2007, 02:39 AM
Err buddies...irrespective of whether or not...what the kids are doing is right or wrong...they are juveniles...

It is their parents or guardians that are SOLELY responsible for their actions...

pcyeoh
12-12-2007, 07:52 AM
Have changed the title
Thank you for changing the title but what is stopping you from combining these two threads into one since we are talking about the same subject matter.

( Admin note - both threads now merged. Posts are in chronological order )

SJECHO
12-12-2007, 11:49 AM
Pls do give me a buzz...we can take some photos and get to the bottom of the story..scam or genuine.
thanks


Everyone... USJ9 last week...

today it was at USJ23/LDP Shell... possibly be local or nearby based... please, if you see them again, please get them into the petrol station or some place safe before a vehicle [car/lorry/motorcycle] hits one of them - THEN CALL the COPS..

yes Kwchang... their story was well rehearsed... NO HESITATION.

the little girl was such a sweet thing, mimicking the elder brother... :( and after the Nurin's case - one would think a parent would not leave a child out like this.... !!! :mad:

smell not right = its called INSTINCT... or GUT FEEL.... most of the time, it IS correct... so listen to it...

denver
12-12-2007, 12:45 PM
the damn irresponsible woman is at it again !!!

Please la... somebody, IF YOU SEE HER or her car... CALL THE POLICE and get to the bottom of this... IF SHE NEED HELP, I'M SURE WE CAN HELP... but don't let her use the kids like that ... A BUSY PETROL STATION IS NOT THE PLACE TO SOLICIT DONATIONS! :mad: :mad: :mad:

I agree. The mother is putting her kids in danger by approaching strangers like that. What if her kids were kidnapped and subsequently abused like that Nurin's case? There are weird/dangerous people out there, ands sending kids to meet strangers (at the stanger's cars) is not a safe thing to do nowadays. But the kids are probably just following their parent's instructions. The parents need to be held responsible!

USJ27Resident
12-12-2007, 10:39 PM
( Admin note - both threads now merged. Posts are in chronological order )

Thanks Chang... bumping this up to highlight the seriousness of this case...

ahtal68
13-12-2007, 04:23 PM
I saw her at the USJ6 Shell petrol station last Sunday and took down the car registration number Shall I post it here or what..... I tried approaching her but she drives away, she is very very irresponsible, the kids are too young la.

USJ27Resident
13-12-2007, 05:08 PM
..... I tried approaching her but she drives away, she is very very irresponsible, the kids are too young la.

Yup... pretty sure it was a fairly new MyVi... xxU 53xx or xxU 563x

Silver Myvi - WPU 5366

Now this is really a pain in the... :mad: She DRIVES away? with or without the kids??

I dunno about you guys but next time I see the kids in the petrol station, I am holding on to the kids and am calling the cops. I don't care if she hollers or screams bloody murder... :mad: :mad: I hope you fellas also have the guts to do the same... its either DOING SOMETHING or mebbe READ in the newspapers that one of the kids got hurt by a moving vehicle in a petrol station! :eek:

USJ23, USJ8, USJ11, USJ16 now USJ6 ... I BET you she knows USJ folks are a "gullible" bunch of residents of which she can use her kids to ask for 'donations!' :mad:

ahtal68
13-12-2007, 06:43 PM
I waited for the kids to get into the car and drove directly behind her car, got down and approached the driver side, she just drove off when she saw me coming.
I believe, if the person is genuinely seeking assistance, then she definately would try explain her situation or follow her children along on the "kutip duit" sessions to make certain they are safe.

hhtee
13-12-2007, 11:40 PM
Carian berdasarkan No. Pendaftaran Kenderaan / Search based on Car Regn. No
As recorded by PDRM
No. Pendaftaran Kenderaan
/ Car Regn. No : WPU5366
Status senaraihitam
/ Blacklist status ADA / Blacklisted

Maklumat lanjut, sila hubungi pejabat PDRM terdekat
For further information, please visit/call PDRM station near you

USJ27Resident
13-12-2007, 11:55 PM
Carian berdasarkan No. Pendaftaran Kenderaan / Search based on Car Regn. No
As recorded by PDRM
No. Pendaftaran Kenderaan
/ Car Regn. No : WPU5366
Status senaraihitam
/ Blacklist status ADA / Blacklisted

Maklumat lanjut, sila hubungi pejabat PDRM terdekat
For further information, please visit/call PDRM station near you

Wow!... thanks for the heads-up... another reason to call the cops if you see this woman using the kids this way...

NOW I am really feeling sorry and sad for these kids... I pray that they are not ABUSED at home too...

mel&sun
14-12-2007, 12:22 AM
If anyone sees them again... they really ought to call the police. This woman is a drug addict! I asked the lil girl couple of months before, they stay in USJ 13.

patrick
04-01-2008, 04:18 PM
Folks I spotted this car WPU 5366, a silver MyV yesterday (3 Jan) in front of OCBC in USJ9 around noon. I overheard the same two boys asking donation from someone. And yest the chubby looking woman driver had another younger girl and a baby in the car. However, becos it was so congested and they didnt managed to wait properly, they drove off after I spotted them. I couldnt follow them as I was waiting for my wife. If I was alone, maybe I could have tailed them and called the police.

Anyway, maybe you guys can keep a lookout for them. If she comes to USJ 9, it means she will also operate around Taipan area. So keep a lookout. Silver colour MYV. A bit bang up on the front right bumper.

USJ27Resident
05-01-2008, 12:29 PM
Folks I spotted this car WPU 5366, a silver MyV yesterday (3 Jan) in front of OCBC in USJ9 around noon. I overheard the same two boys asking donation from someone. And yest the chubby looking woman driver had another younger girl and a baby in the car.....

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WOMAN.... :mad: My heart goes out for the children...... :(

Are they REALLY staying in USJ... mebbe we can keep an eye out for her and her kids, get down to the bottom of her story and see IF we can help or IF she really is in dire straits..... I fear for the kids safety la... :(

red406
07-01-2008, 10:56 AM
sunday 6 january 2008.

The Family are at it again, this time at the Petronas station in SS17...

why wife 'was charmed' by the boy, she says he spoke very good BM, hence rm10.00 was 'donated'. aarrgghh..!!

next time, i'm gonna be armed with my camera and 'shoot' them and publish the pics....

mel&sun
07-01-2008, 05:36 PM
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WOMAN.... :mad: My heart goes out for the children...... :(

Are they REALLY staying in USJ... mebbe we can keep an eye out for her and her kids, get down to the bottom of her story and see IF we can help or IF she really is in dire straits..... I fear for the kids safety la... :(


The last time the lady's daughter told me they were staying in USJ 13. But pls pls.. if anyone sees them again, they ought to get the police. This is too much! The asking for money's been going on for months.. how long more should the kids beg this way? and at the comfort of the mother who sits in the car? It's really wrong for her to use her kids (and the baby who is usually carried by the eldest) to get money from people! My biggest bet is the money is used for drugs! The lady looks really "blur and drowsy" most of the time.

USJ27Resident
07-01-2008, 06:45 PM
...The lady looks really "blur and drowsy" most of the time.

:eek: Sh!t - if she is really "blur & drowsy" and taking the kids in the car... she is really endangering the kids... :mad:

I am making fliers for the station managers in USJ... Anyone interested in looking as to where they stay - 2 leads, suggest in USJ 13 and USJ 9...

Please... before one of the kids gets hurt...

Anyone with the media/press... hey, what about USJECHO... can Teoh help highlight the matter...

USJ27Resident
10-01-2008, 11:01 PM
eileen > thanks for going to the cops and getting this lady checked out.

the mere fact that she bolted when the cops came, indicates something smells not right.

i just sooooo pity the kids.... :(

my biggest fear is that one of them gets hurt in the process of asking for 'donation' in these busy gas stations... !

hope that Tn. Foo can give some feedback on her...

simon_tan
11-01-2008, 12:53 AM
Does anybody know contacts for child services/welfare - perhaps they can help get to the bottom of this..hope this situation for the kids turns out ok in the end.

eileenc
11-01-2008, 09:25 PM
Holy....

Ok... I've made the report this morning in USJ8 before heading to IRB office. If anyone sees them again, please don't be the "couldn't care less type"...

Please get the cops to come see what is happening...

USJ27Resident, any update from the Police following your report?

Unfortunately, after the patrol car pulled the lady+car+4kids to the roadside in USJ9 (Tues, Jan 08), they merely questioned her but there was no reason to bring her back to the Balai ... as she said that she was "just driving around, going to the bank!!!!!!!" .... Believe the cops hv got her address ...

As for her car - silver Myvi -- which is "blacklisted" in the PDRM list, it was for "unsettled summons" ..

So guess, she'll lie low for a while before starting again, I suppose ... and you folks have to keep a lookout again!

USJ27Resident
13-01-2008, 02:00 PM
Does anybody know contacts for child services/welfare - perhaps they can help get to the bottom of this..hope this situation for the kids turns out ok in the end.

I dunno if there is a child services thingy here like in the States... but I think one could contact YB Datuk Sharizat - her ministry could help....

USJ27Resident
13-01-2008, 02:03 PM
USJ27Resident, any update from the Police following your report?

So guess, she'll lie low for a while before starting again, I suppose ... and you folks have to keep a lookout again!

Nope... no updates - police says no crime was committed :confused:

... and I guess you're right, she'll either lie low in this areas for a while... or move to a safer vicinity to conduct her scam :mad:

pcyeoh
14-01-2008, 11:32 AM
When Eileen told me the 'fish that got away scot free' I was very upset. In a way I faulted the police for not getting her to the USJ 8 Balai Polis as we have enough witnesses to confront her. What she is doing can be classified as criminal. She should be charged for parental negilgence of subjecting her kids to danger and abuse of her own children in using them as a tool to gain public sympathy for donation and most probably for fraud as I doubt the letter the boy showed is geniuine.

Yesterday I took the trouble to call the *NURIN Hotline 15999 at 10.30am to present the case to them and I can say that I vomit blood talking to the person. The person who is mending the line is most disappointing. He said I should refer this case to the Welfare but I told him that was what I thought but I am looking also at the angle that the lady is subjecting her kids to unnecessary danger should one of the persons they approached have dirty thoughts in mind. When he asked for details, I asked him for the email address where I can send all the details he needs. He said NURIN line has no email address. Then I asked for the fax number so that I can fax the detail to him. He then replied, "Oh memang kami tiada fax." I then express my horror how are we the public going to assist the authorities to fight crime when they don't even have these minimum communication tools. He then asked me to hold on and I was kept waiting for 7 minutes before he came back with the statement. "We are sorry Mr. Yeoh that although we have both the email and the fax machine, it is confidential." My God, his reply is even worse than not having the facilities. I gave him a earful and told him that if I don't make any headway, I will go to the Press. In anycase, I know that all my conversation are recorded for quality improvement. I expected them to call me back if they are serious but they didn't. Either their their phone doesn't even have a caller ID (which they should have) or they cakap tak serupa bikin.

This morning I called the OCS of USJ 8 Balai Polis Chief Inspector Foo to follow up with the incident. I related the whole incident I have with the NURIN line and I told him that we now depended very much on the police to do something. He assured me that he will do that. Our main concern here is definitely the woman must be facing some kind of a problem as to daringly beg in public using her kids as a tool thus subjecting them to danger. We don't want another Sharlinie case happening in our community.


* The Nurin Alert was first suggested following the murder of eight-year-old Nurin Jazlin Jazimin who was abducted and her body was found stuffed into a sports bag a month later last September.

USJ27Resident
14-01-2008, 10:10 PM
Yesterday I took the trouble to call the *NURIN Hotline 15999 at 10.30am to present the case to them...

...... Our main concern here is definitely the woman must be facing some kind of a problem as to daringly beg in public using her kids as a tool thus subjecting them to danger. We don't want another Sharlinie case happening in our community.

pcyeoh... thank you for taking the trouble too. thank you.

sinleong
15-01-2008, 11:28 AM
i have also come across a lot of kids begging and selling tissue paper on the streets, mostly at hawker centers. some as young as 5 or 6. worse, they are not even accompanied by adults. perhaps if they have some caucasian looks we may take notice and take action....

denver
15-01-2008, 11:30 AM
Good point there, sinleong.

coleslaw
15-01-2008, 11:45 AM
i have also come across a lot of kids begging and selling tissue paper on the streets, mostly at hawker centers. some as young as 5 or 6. worse, they are not even accompanied by adults. perhaps if they have some caucasian looks we may take notice and take action....
why did you not,then, take it upon yourself and do something about it?

this thread was started with good intentions but somewhere along the way, it turns into ' i also spotted the kids too, do lookout for them ' circus.
majority has an excuse or reason why they could not and did not intervene, from 'i was busy, in a hurry, waiting for someone etc ' and the only person who did something is pcyeoh. actions speaks louder than words. kudos to him.

Samaritan
15-01-2008, 11:57 AM
why did you not,then, take it upon yourself and do something about it?

this thread was started with good intentions but somewhere along the way, it turns into ' i also spotted the kids too, do lookout for them ' circus.
majority has an excuse or reason why they could not and did not intervene, from 'i was busy, in a hurry, waiting for someone etc ' and the only person who did something is pcyeoh. actions speaks louder than words. kudos to him.

Lets be fair lah, I personally know USJ27Resident took the trouble to track down the MyVi and made police report etc in the interest of the welfare of the kids like he stated "if they get knocked down at the busy petrol kiosks" etc. We also discussed this when we meet once in a while in USJ...

Since we are on the subject, what have you done to help resolve the problem? Maybe coming in here and criticize others just make you one of the same....

.

coleslaw
15-01-2008, 12:04 PM
Lets be fair lah, I personally know USJ27Resident took the trouble to track down the MyVi and made police report etc in the interest of the welfare of the kids like he stated "if they get knocked down at the busy petrol kiosks" etc. We also discussed this when we meet once in a while in USJ...

Since we are on the subject, what have you done to help resolve the problem? Maybe coming in here and criticize others just make you one of the same.....
maybe. :rolleyes:
oh yes my bad, i overlooked usj27's effort as well.
i'm actually green with envy at his and pcyeoh's initiatives..tks guys

sinleong
15-01-2008, 01:03 PM
i admit i haven't done anything to save those poor children who have been used by adults to beg or earn money for them. this is not my cause... there are many wrongs in this world and in our usj community. if i pick up every single one, i'd need a rich wife to sponsor my day to day expenses...

however, i have a lot of respect for all of you who goes out of your way to help these kids in the myvi. there are many of these kids who need help and they are in our usj area and community. just keep a lookout when you are at the hawker centers. they are also there at 3am in the morning outside the bars in jalan ampang. very dangerous place, among drunk revellers and prostitute touts...

sorry for hijacking this thread. i just wanted to point out that there are many kids begging in malaysia, not just these 3.

Samaritan
15-01-2008, 02:39 PM
sorry for hijacking this thread. i just wanted to point out that there are many kids begging in malaysia, not just these 3.

Every journey begins with a small first step Sinleong. I know, from all your postings you're a very kind-hearted down-to-earth guy. Lets just do within our own means and resources and lets also hope others think and do the same way. Every little help by every single individual will go a long way inresolving the problems within this USJ community.

Now, lets start by not double-parking in Taipan first, lets park a little further even if we need to walk a little..... :rolleyes:

mel&sun
15-01-2008, 10:54 PM
Hi guys..

The question that i have in my mind now is.. whether are these kids hers...

USJ27Resident
16-01-2008, 12:18 AM
Hi guys..

The question that i have in my mind now is.. whether are these kids hers...

:eek: Well, I'll be damned... :eek: Good question !!

ssusj
26-01-2008, 01:26 PM
Met them at USJ16 Sri Melur Rest. spoke to the little girl and read the reports she was carrying. One was her UPSR results -5As (i think) and her brother medical report (am not a DR so cannot verify it) well her bro has some problems with his eyes. spoke to her mum (car MYVi). I told it was wrong to ask her children to beg. She has no option need the money for her son medical treatment. Husband is a "good for nothing fellow" . Daughter is schooling at USJ13 (the HM know about their predicament also ,she claims) She speaks good English(graduate- previously working with diethlem-she claims) I would appreciate if someone can assist to verify and find out her real story before we come to a conclusion and if really there is a need to help her child I am sure all of us can contribute in whatever way we can. I took her mobile number and if there is any one willing to to meet up with her pls PM me . I can join u too. Maybe PCYeoh can assist. Thanks

USJ27Resident
26-01-2008, 01:34 PM
I took her mobile number and if there is any one willing to to meet up with her pls PM me . I can join u too. Maybe PCYeoh can assist. Thanks

PC & Orchi... wanna get involved in this? Its the kids, I'm more concerned about...

lets verify this... will speak to opthamalogist/eye specialist friend of mine when I get back... I wanna see how true is this kid's problem...

geordie
26-01-2008, 02:34 PM
..... Daughter is schooling at USJ13 (the HM know about their predicament also ,she claims)

Is it possible to verify this bit, you reckon ? If she is telling porkie pies about this bit, then the rest of her story will be thrown out to the wind too .....

ssusj
26-01-2008, 06:31 PM
PC & Orchi... wanna get involved in this? Its the kids, I'm more concerned about...

lets verify this... will speak to opthamalogist/eye specialist friend of mine when I get back... I wanna see how true is this kid's problem...

Just PM USJ27 the mobile number. Good luck . Pls let me know if there is any help needed. Yes its the children we need to protect.

USJ27Resident
26-01-2008, 07:14 PM
Just PM USJ27 the mobile number. Good luck ...

thanks for the hp number.. will follow up.. and keep y'all posted. :)

USJ27Resident
29-01-2008, 12:53 AM
Just PM USJ27 the mobile number..

Tried calling her today - no luck... ring until to voice mail :confused:

Tomorrow I try with a different hp number ... ;)

pcyeoh
29-01-2008, 07:27 PM
OK guys, I will appreciate it very much if less is discussed here as it may jeopadise her position but I assured you something good and positive is being done but I am not previleged to disclose the matter here. Unless something important crops up that you need to share with us without infringing her privacy, then by all means share them here.

jakpo
03-02-2008, 11:04 AM
Was at Sri Melur USJ17 this morning about 10am. I was approached by 2 boys - the elder one was about 12 years old and the other was about 6 years old. The elder one showed somekind of medical report. They're still around eh...

eileenc
03-02-2008, 09:47 PM
She was also spotted at both the Petronas and Shell stations in USJ 6 at 5.10pm today ... alternately driving between both the stations while the kids were "on the loose" doing their "stuff" ... at the first station (Shell), it was thet pair of older boy & his sister and then at Petronas, the "action" was conducted by the 2 brothers ... they then went back to the Shell station ...

I understand a patrol car was despatched to the locations shortly after ... but don't know if there was any outcome ... the OCS of Balai Polis USj8 was also informed ....

Guess the mother + kids are still in high gear with their modus operandi ...!!!

So please be on the look-out...

USJ27Resident
04-02-2008, 01:01 AM
OK guys, I will appreciate it very much if less is discussed here .........Unless something important crops up that you need to share with us without infringing her privacy, then by all means share them here.


PC... this woman is either thick skinned or just plain desperate...

ssusj has stuck his neck out to make contact with this woman and and offer to help [if it is true] I've tried calling her but apparently she screens her calls from answering calls unknown to her... :rolleyes: the line gets disconnected the moment I dial her number, why :confused:

You can only help someone that wants help... by the look of things, she is ducking every opportunity given and taking the easy way out by using her kids!

NOW I AM MAD !!! :mad:

USJ27Resident
04-02-2008, 01:04 AM
I started this thread in NOVEMBER... seems she is still at it.... now is FEBRUARY!!


This evening @ 6.00pm while filling petrol at the Shell USJ23, 3 young kids [2 boys and a girl between 6 - 10 years old] approached me and tried to solicit cash donation for their brother whom they claim was sick...

I also wanna know if/can a police report/action be taken against the mother? for endangering the kids' life like this... :mad:

Have also spoken to my friend [who is an eye specialist at THOEH, PJ] about getting his diagnosis of what the boy is suffering from and if its true... he said ok! Now to get the mother to agree to the vist... :rolleyes:

pcyeoh
04-02-2008, 11:42 AM
I have got in touch with the person she confided in and told that person about the latest development. That person will do a final attempt and if is fruitless, then I myself will give up. We just want to find out the truth. I will not say anything more except after this person updates me.

patrick
04-02-2008, 08:44 PM
I check the girl out at a coffee shop in USJ 14 this morning. To cut the story short, the response she gave me seem too well rehearsed. This time, I got some of her details etc. Though I am not sure if they are fictitious. This time I wanted to trail them. Later the mother came to pick them up. Sure enough it was the same MyV. However her car came from the opposite direction. By the time I managed to turn my car around, she had disappeared.

I spoke to PC Yeoh who is in Penang today. This time we PLAN to do something. Please dont frighten her into hiding for the time being. PC and I will get down to it when he comes back from his "Kampong". Leave things be for the time being and PC or I will keep you folks posted asap.

KelvC
17-03-2008, 09:22 PM
Dear all, Jand spotted the WPU 5366 at the SS14 BP station minutes earlier. They are there now, what to do?????

Coincidentally the sister and brother was at Syed SS19 as well.

USJ27Resident
17-03-2008, 10:00 PM
what to do... what to do...

next time someone sees the kids, please call the cops and Insp. Foo. @ USJ8 balai.

we've tried to help... we've offered to help... but the 'mother' is still up to her nonsense !! :mad: God only knows, if she's desperate enough - she would sell her own daughter... :eek:

jand
17-03-2008, 10:06 PM
A patrolman called me on my mobile to ascertain the exact location. I reported that MyVi is parked in front of the restaurants beside the Mobil/BHP petrol stations at SS14. As I was speaking to the patrolman, they started leaving.
I asked them to come quickly and just go by the road fronting the restaurants as they are sure to stop by a few more restaurants.
To my surprise, the patrol car just passed by me and stopped right behind the MyVi.

From afar, it looked like they were taken in by the police. No idea what happened after that.

That's the long and short of it.

jand
17-03-2008, 10:14 PM
what to do... what to do...

next time someone sees the kids, please call the cops and Insp. Foo. @ USJ8 balai.

we've tried to help... we've offered to help... but the 'mother' is still up to her nonsense !! :mad: God only knows, if she's desperate enough - she would sell her own daughter... :eek:

I've no idea that those kids were the ones mentioned here for sure until KelvC confirmed it. The kid looked desperate whilst soliciting for 'donation' and when I saw that silver MyVi, I asked them if that's their mother inside and she nodded without even daring to look back at the car. The girl looked desperate.

Took the liberty to call in the SJ police station to dispatch a patrol car and came they did. Probably someone else called them as they were on the scene pretty quick (<5min) from my call.

mel&sun
17-03-2008, 10:56 PM
Dear all, Jand spotted the WPU 5366 at the SS14 BP station minutes earlier. They are there now, what to do?????

Coincidentally the sister and brother was at Syed SS19 as well.


For once i really feel like grabbing the mother and slapping her till she comes to her senses! :mad: That's not a way to bring up her children!

I threaten to call the welfare department some months back and she laid low thereafter. Now this is becoming more and more frequent! Anyway we could send them all to the welfare dept or something like that? First of all the mother needs to go to a rehab centre. :mad:

yvonnefoong
17-03-2008, 10:57 PM
Read this whole thread, that left me with mixed feelings of anger, sympathy, guilt, and melancholy. I am glad something has finally been done. Now I hope the right thing be done. This lady might be mentally disturbed since she could not see any wrong in her actions. If that is the case, then she might not be treated properly by the PDRM.

Is there any way the residents can take part in this case development now that PDRM has taken action?

USJ27Resident
17-03-2008, 11:04 PM
Is there any way the residents can take part in this case development now that PDRM has taken action?

yvonne.. i would love to see this happen. nobody wants to see a family split up. but when offers of help is declined/ignored - what can u & i do... :( the only ones that will feel the effects most would be the kids... i am a father myself and my heart goes out for the kids.. :(

pcyeoh. [are u in town?] pls contact ur police friends and see what is the outcome... i am sure we can rally to help her - if she really needs the help...

USJ27Resident
17-03-2008, 11:06 PM
A patrolman called me on my mobile to ascertain the exact location..

were you the one that called the cops... if yes, which balai?

and do you have caller id. can u trace the patrolman's hp number?

pls pm me the details.. i want to follow up on this when i get back on friday.

thanks

jand
17-03-2008, 11:09 PM
I called the SJ balai polis in SS17. But also heard from KelvC that Orchi had called Inspector Foo as well.
I've PMed you the mobile number.

mel&sun
17-03-2008, 11:21 PM
yvonne.. i would love to see this happen. nobody wants to see a family split up. but when offers of help is declined/ignored - what can u & i do... :( the only ones that will feel the effects most would be the kids... i am a father myself and my heart goes out for the kids.. :(

pcyeoh. [are u in town?] pls contact ur police friends and see what is the outcome... i am sure we can rally to help her - if she really needs the help...


USJ27Resident said it right. Can't do anything much unless the mother agrees with our help. But i still think we should go to the root cause as in get the mother to go to the rehab centre first.. let the kids father handle the kids first. Helped them couple of months ago but the mother insist on monetary terms.. i refused and only bought books for the kids (which was wanted by the mom but in monetary terms earlier). The kids really do have a bright future and the speak well too.. :(

USJ27Resident
17-03-2008, 11:23 PM
I've PMed you the mobile number.

Jand! You are not gonna believ this... I called the patrolman, ID myself - and asked him what is the outcome....

HE LET HER GO, JUST LIKE THAT ! Said she was feeling nauseous, sick and needed to get home !! :mad:

What the hell... :eek:

Then he started to question my intentions... before the line got cut. Tried calling back but no connection... sheeeeesh!

[Orchi]>> any updates from Insp. Foo???

mel&sun
17-03-2008, 11:26 PM
Jand! You are not gonna believ this... I called the patrolman, ID myself - and asked him what is the outcome....

HE LET HER GO, JUST LIKE THAT ! Said she was feeling nauseous, sick and needed to get home !! :mad:

What the hell... :eek:

Then he started to question my intentions... before the line got cut. Tried calling back but no connection... sheeeeesh!

[Orchi]>> any updates from Insp. Foo???

That's her usual tactics.. and then she would bite her lips till it bleeds and pretends that she is vomiting blood. PCYeoh encoutered that too in the Balai the other time.. even i encoutered it myself when i gave her warning.. then her daughter who was outside the car questioned me on what did i say until i made her mother "depressed" :mad:

USJ27Resident
17-03-2008, 11:28 PM
USJ27Resident said it right. Can't do anything much unless the mother agrees with our help. But i still think we should go to the root cause as in get the mother to go to the rehab centre first.. let the kids father handle the kids first. Helped them couple of months ago but the mother insist on monetary terms.. i refused and only bought books for the kids.. :(

This is so beyond SICK ! :eek: :mad:

Is the mother really a substance abuser ?? You sure ka ??

Do we have to be cruel to be kind ??? :(

The father ? Does he know ?? Or is he still around/in the picture ???

umadavid
17-03-2008, 11:35 PM
Oh NO! Poor kids...Why they so gullible one :( They should know about them since they have been reported in before :confused:

DeeC
17-03-2008, 11:40 PM
Oh NO! Poor kids...Why the police so gullible one :( They should know about them since they have been reported in before :confused:
Am sure police have her details now. Lets pray she stops.

yvonnefoong
17-03-2008, 11:43 PM
There might be a way for the courts to forcibly commit her to rehabilitation, without needing an arrest. Hmmm... I'm thinking. You folks got any ideas?

USJ27Resident
17-03-2008, 11:43 PM
Am sure police have her details now. Lets pray she stops.

1. I think it is not on the Police high priority list...

2. Probably she'll gonna lie low or go out of the community for a few days...

3. :(

jand
18-03-2008, 12:37 AM
Jand! You are not gonna believ this... I called the patrolman, ID myself - and asked him what is the outcome....

HE LET HER GO, JUST LIKE THAT ! Said she was feeling nauseous, sick and needed to get home !! :mad:

What the hell... :eek:

Then he started to question my intentions... before the line got cut. Tried calling back but no connection... sheeeeesh!

[Orchi]>> any updates from Insp. Foo???

wth... she was feeling nauseous? needed to get home?? feeling sick???
from her parking skills, doesn't look like she was. she parked at road corners, petrol station exits and blocking others, the places she stops always has people. She doesn't park really 'properly' so she can make a quick dash for it.

pcyeoh
18-03-2008, 06:11 PM
Let me tell you what happened last night. I got a call from Jand and immediately called Chief Insp Foo. Though the Myvi 'gang' were in SS 14 in Subang Jaya, I called Foo of Balai USJ 8 as he has been following up the case. He despatched a patrol car to pick them up. But I think a patrol car from the Subang Jaya Balai Polis was cruising by at that time and was directed to attend to the case when Jand/KelvinC made a call to the Subang Jaya police station. The police officer must be very blur and didn't know what to do. I had a tough day so I didn't meet them there. Apparently that woman has met with a small accident (the second time in 60 days) and the police have no reason to pull them in as they were not begging at that time. But we know the two places she is staying and anytime we can pull her in.

The last time she was taken in (based on Rocky 19 report), she was given a very nice shelling from Insp Foo. The pastor was there too and we learned quite a lot about the woman and her antics from the pastor. Her case is quite complicating but sad and like what USJResident27 said, if she refused help, there was little we can do. She is currently seeking counselling from the lady pastor who also I understand is giving up on her.

By the way, she is hellava good drama queen. Last night was one of her acts. The children (she has 4 of them the youngest is still crawling) are all brainwashed by her. They will die for her and we know that she is using her kids to get what she wanted - anything for that matter.

I think last night there was little Foo could do. A month ago when she was summoned to the police station, she was given a stern warning that should the police receive any more complaint, she will be sent to a rehabilatation centre while her kids will be under the welfare dept. When this was mentioned to her, she went beserk as she needed the two elder kids to earn a 'living by begging' for her than the kids needed her. The two kids have not been going to school since Chinese New Year. Her excuse was she was without her car and thus unable to send them to school in SMK USJ 13 and SJK USJ20.

There are many thing I can't share with you all without infringing her privacy. This is a pitiful case and the victims are the 4 children. A few of us are trying to find a better solution that split the family up. May be this time we have to get the husband involved.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcyeoh/Childrenbegging.jpg
The older kid will always show the customer the old medical report of her younger brother about his eye condition and beg for donation for an operation which you and I know will not happen. In this incident where I tailed them to Taipan, they made a harvest of RM 150 for a 15 minute job. When I asked the 3 customers why they were so generous, their common answer is "I pity them." And one of them even praised the girl for showing such professionalism in begging. I bet you will too when you gave her a listening ear. I have their begging in video too.

SJ18
18-03-2008, 09:24 PM
Encountered them today at about 8.00pm @ SS18 Shell Petrol Station. The same mum with 4 kids in the silver Myvi. Daughter and son came up to me with the story on eye problem and having missed this thread, thought it was a genuine case and parted with some money.

The mum drove past me to pick up her kids and thanked me for the"donation" and said that the kids have a good-for-nothing father.

Anyway, looks like she is now working on the SJ area after completing her rounds in USJ !

praetor
18-03-2008, 09:40 PM
Greetings.

What i'm about to say might seem very cruel to many but please hear me out. If she is compromising her children's future then i guess we have no choice but to take stern action. On a worse case scenario, one can apply for an injunction to prevent her from resuming her act and apply for a restraining order to keep her away from her kids. You can argue that no one should separate the children from the mother but if the mother is a bad influence as many here said then we have to help the children, don't you think so? I can only hope that what i am saying now will not be used, for nobody would want to see a family disintegrate.

Ora

yvonnefoong
18-03-2008, 10:04 PM
Thanks PCYeoh for the sharing. This is a dilemma indeed. We know it's a pitiful case. Not giving money to the kids would mean they have less to survive with. But giving would encourage them to continue lying.

Can't Inspector Foo personally track this woman and catch her in the act, rather than relying on others to inform the police?

This woman needs professional counseling, perhaps psychoanalysis too. I am a Christian who has sought the advice of pastors before. And my experiences with them came no where close to scientific psychological intervention.

If this woman has a problem, she cannot be reasoned with. Religious counselors often rely on the faculty of cognitive reasoning, which people like this woman may not be capable of.

She might have been so desperate for help, that she's resorted to repressing that need, and the repression now manifested into her current belief system. So telling her that her actions are wrong, won't mean a thing to her.

She is likely projecting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection) her need for help by asking her kids to solicit financial help. Please don't give up on her. If my guess is right, then she is already crying out for help in her own way.

There are a number of psychotherapy techniques that uses the projection theory that might help this woman understand herself.

praetor
18-03-2008, 10:42 PM
Greetings.

If we are to consider getting her psychiatric assistance, she has to want to get it. We can't force her to do something she do not want to. As yvonnefoong put, it's the children who is going to suffer at the end of all this. What are we going to do for them?

Ora

chewie
19-03-2008, 09:21 AM
better to put a stop to this once and for all. the children life, mentallity is at stake. they will grow up thinking begging is no harm. This will make them not to earn their own way of life.

i run through this thread and i might have left out somewhere, why there is no mentioning about her husband? where is her husband? i believe that there is a way to trace her husband or other family members. i believe that Insp. Foo could contact the Marriage Registration Dept to get the husband details and then track him down. Or maybe the witness to their marriage registration to get more family members to help her.

She needs help. Once the mother 'wake' up, then she will realize what she had done. No point of seperating the children from her mom.

Just my 2 cents of opinion

in
19-03-2008, 11:21 AM
I'm sorry....but enough of this 'we cannot separate the kids from the mother' thing. She is using the kids and exposing them to harm, why would we want the kids to remain with her? She's obviously not listening and not accepting any help being offered to her. As someone else mentioned, the kids should be handed over to relatives or worse case scenario,welfare. Anything is better than having them remain with her.

cpleong
19-03-2008, 01:49 PM
I emphatise with the family and their situation.

This is a link that shows the car:
http://www.sjecho.com.my/

yvonnefoong
19-03-2008, 03:05 PM
I'm sorry....but enough of this 'we cannot separate the kids from the mother' thing. She is using the kids and exposing them to harm, why would we want the kids to remain with her? She's obviously not listening and not accepting any help being offered to her. As someone else mentioned, the kids should be handed over to relatives or worse case scenario,welfare. Anything is better than having them remain with her.

You pointed out a very sensitive issue. I tried closing my eyes and imagine if that was my mother. And this is how and what I feel. No matter what, she is still my mother. That explains why separating the children from the mother should be the last, and desperate measure to protect them. Taking the children away without due consideration might cause them to start hating the world. They might think, "We were doing fine begging. At least we had our mother. Now we have everything. but it feels like we have nothing."

Let's approach and help them with love, and not by force.

Read: Stockholm Syndrome.

yvonnefoong
19-03-2008, 04:24 PM
I emphatise with the family and their situation.

This is a link that shows the car:
http://www.sjecho.com.my/


Whoever took that photo must be very artistic!

patrick
19-03-2008, 04:37 PM
You pointed out a very sensitive issue. I tried closing my eyes and imagine if that was my mother. And this is how and what I feel. No matter what, she is still my mother. ....... Now we have everything. but it feels like we have nothing."

Let's approach and help them with love, and not by force.


We know you mean well. But if you have been through what PC and I have been through in trying to assist, you may start to appreciate a totally different perspective. I hope the Pastor hasnt given up trying.

firefox
19-03-2008, 05:46 PM
Here we are discussing children with a mother, my pain goes to the liitle ones who are orphans and have to live without their parental love and guidance whether good or bad.

USJ27Resident
20-03-2008, 01:35 PM
when i first started this thread, I never expected it to last this long...

apparently I was wrong and the mother is still doing this despicable thing by using her own children to solicit for 'donations'.

i am saddened but we cannot take things for granted... if she can put on a dramatic 'show' by biting her lips and bleeding... God only knows what she will do if she's really desperate... :(

I pray that PcYeoh and others can help me put a stop this woman from 'using' her kids in this manner..

geordie
20-03-2008, 02:20 PM
when i first started this thread, I never expected it to last this long...

apparently I was wrong and the mother is still doing this despicable thing by using her own children to solicit for 'donations'.

..

She is not only still carrying the act but if you were to check out the link provided earlier by cpleong, she is hauling the kids out to the streets at 2 a.m. !!!!!!!

Things must be looked at on a case-to-case basis. There is no hard and fast guideline as to when (if ever) it is appropriate in the interest of the child / children to separate them from their biological mother. In some cases, it is sad to note that the stress is on biological and I am one of the opinion that parenthood and all the rights entails should boil down to acceptance of responsibilities of a parent rather than an unfortunate blood tie. Sorry, it's just my humble opinion and yes, I can be a bleeding heart too.

yvonnefoong
20-03-2008, 03:52 PM
We know you mean well. But if you have been through what PC and I have been through in trying to assist, you may start to appreciate a totally different perspective. I hope the Pastor hasnt given up trying.

Okay. Thanks for doing all you could. :)

lilifjp
21-03-2008, 01:15 AM
Sorry to interrupt this discussion.

This message is for Yvonne Foong. Your mail box is full and I cannot send u a PM. I think you need to delete some of your inbox or sent box.

Thanks and sorry again to interrupt.

yvonnefoong
21-03-2008, 10:22 AM
Sorry to interrupt this discussion.

This message is for Yvonne Foong. Your mail box is full and I cannot send u a PM. I think you need to delete some of your inbox or sent box.

Thanks and sorry again to interrupt.

Li Li, just deleted. Sorry.

bobkee
21-03-2008, 10:58 AM
Ah .. that explains why my PM didn't get through. See .. "Uncle Bob" didn't forget you .. hehe

LMei
21-03-2008, 11:12 AM
My dad saw the mum drop off her kids in front of his restaurant in USJ 9. Then the kids went to the coffeshop to ask for money. Mum thought she saw bruises on them but she wasn't so sure. :eek:

chewie
21-03-2008, 01:34 PM
doesnt the kid needs to attend school ??

patrick
22-03-2008, 09:23 AM
Maybe PC should talk to Hannah and see how she could colaborate with the Welfare dept to look at the various optionsl, devise an action plan, and the community here will assist.

pcyeoh
01-04-2008, 05:23 PM
I need the community attention. The Mum and 4 kids were given a second chance to be as one family and she has commited that she will take care of the 4 kids welfare and education. She has agreed that with immediate effect, she will not use her two kids aged 14 and 11 to beg in public. She is made aware that should the kids be pulled up for begging again, she as the mother will be charged for subjecting her children to danger. If found guily, she can be fined RM 5,000 or two years jail sentence or both. If anyone of you should see her children begging again (they haven't been attending school since beginning of this year), pleasse call Insp Sulaiman of the Subang Jaya Poliice Station at 019-3707100 or 03-56332222 or Insp Foo of the USJ 8 Balai Polis at 019-2059222 or 03-56356904. Both of them are fully aware of the case.This time round, they will not hesitate to throw the book at her and send the 4 kids (the other two are 1+ and 7 years) to the Welfare home.

geordie
01-04-2008, 07:06 PM
If anyone of you should see her children begging again (they haven't been attending school since beginning of this year), pleasse call Insp Sulaiman of the Subang Jaya Poliice Station at 019-3707100 or 03-56332222 or Insp Foo of the USJ 8 Balai Polis at 019-2059222 or 03-56356904.

Now, that's really sad .....

But then, Mom's thinking must be, "Heck, if they can harvest 150 bucks per 15 minutes in Tai Pan (as per earlier post), who the hell needs school" ! :mad:

yvonnefoong
01-04-2008, 08:10 PM
Now, that's really sad .....

But then, Mom's thinking must be, "Heck, if they can harvest 150 bucks per 15 minutes in Tai Pan (as per earlier post), who the hell needs school" ! :mad:

You are jumping into conclusions. Then again, I am just as guilty at that. Please read the whole thread and try to understand.

geordie
01-04-2008, 08:22 PM
Yes, I did read the whole thread since it first began and all of the updates, thank you.

In a way, we all have our own conclusions.

And am speaking as a parent who tries the utmost best to be a responsible parent.

Yours respectfully.

patrick
02-04-2008, 11:29 AM
You are jumping into conclusions. Then again, I am just as guilty at that. Please read the whole thread and try to understand.

No one is jumping to any conclusion and the only one guilty of anything is the mother of the 4 kids. And PC, thanks for updating us and sorry I couldnt join you last Sat morning.

I am personally glad the police have decided to throw the book at them if the foul up again. Many of you may not be aware but quite a number of us concerned residents have grown tired trying to help the kids. So much time, effort and resources had been expanded. We must particularly thank PC who has spent much of his time on this case. I am just so glad we have arrived at this "conclusion"....hopefully; I was beginning to lose hope and patience.

yvonnefoong
02-04-2008, 09:36 PM
Sorry ah, I don't mean harm. Just that, I'm so interested in finding the reason behind every human motive. But I have not personally met the mother and her kids, so my perspective remains different from many of you here. Just got to know more of the mother today.

eileenc
09-04-2008, 08:54 AM
Folks

This is getting tedious ... and frustrating. But the kids (the 2 elder ones, that is) are still at it, going around asking for money from unsuspecting folks.

*Saturday 5th April -- they were spotted in Desa Mentari (Sunway) area, approaching no less than Robertec

* Monday 7th April -- they were spotted in SS14 area, vicinity of the Mobil/BHP petrol stations and the nearby shops.

... and this is DESPITE the fact that the mother + kids were WARNED by C/Insp Sulaiman (head, Balai Polis SS17 Subang Jaya) on 29th Mar (Sat) when the kids were "caught" and taken to the Police Station.

Background note:
On Sat 29th March, both PCYeoh and I spent almost the entire day (from 9.30am) at the Balai till 4pm just to see if all of us (the family & the Police) could find a resolution to the issue. Out of compassion (tho we were not influenced by the hysterics -- anad great acting -- of both mother + kids!!!), we agreed to give the family a last chance not to be separated from each other altho the father was agreeable to temporaarily send all the kids to a welfare/shelter home until things could be further sorted out.

All in the family (the father of the kids - who was called to the Balai, the mother -- who eventually came with the 2 younger kids in her company & the 2 elder kids who had been "caught") were:
- shown the Child/Child Protection Act and media clipping displayed on the Balai notice board
- given a verbal warning by both C/Insp Sulaiman and his deputy

In addition, the mother was made to sign a police report that she would not resort to her "habit" of mis-treating the kids with the clause that if she/they were ever to be caught again, the law and procedures will be applied with no hesitation.



Now with the latest sighting reports, I only ask of all forumers/friends reading this/aware of this to make sure that you help report to the police if you encounter or see the kids up to their tricks again.

By the way, I understand the little boy's head has since been shaved bald!!! (And yes, dont be mistaken, the 2 kids are a boy and his elder SISTER -- from afar, due to her dressing, she looks like a boy too.)

If you spot them, call the police immediately -- both Chief Inspectors are aware of the case ..
- Subang Jaya: Chief Insp Sulaiaman (019-370 7100)
- USJ : Chief Insp Foo (019-205 9222)
and get them to despatch a patrol car and hopefully they can be picked up.

patrick
09-04-2008, 10:59 AM
Gosh....here we go again!!! Thanks for the update Eileen and Robert.

clfoo
05-06-2008, 12:53 AM
are they the same kids mentioned in this thread? ... now at PJ area ...

http://www.guangming.com.my/node/27838?tid=3

pcyeoh
14-06-2008, 09:13 AM
Datuk Michael Chong is now in the picture. I accompanied the children's father to see Michael Chong to tell his side of the story. Read today's Star on his story.

Saturday June 14, 2008

My kids donít have to beg, says dad


http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/6/14/nation/21536350&sec=nation

kuma
14-06-2008, 01:23 PM
I read the news in the Star this morning and thought what a coincidence that I just saw them yesterday.

They were in MacDonaldís in SS15, next to the mosque. However they were not begging. I have seen them often before. The mother dropped them off and the kids were alone in the restaurant playing.

The kids are quite cute, and I must say well behaved. Even the little one looked independent and the eldest boy seem to look after them well.

They seem well adapted to strangers and quickly struck up a conversation with 3 elderly men at the next table. I saw them give the girl 10 bucks before they left. She quickly ran and gave it the elder brother.

They used it to buy some food and all were sharing happily. The staff at the restaurant seems to know them as well.

Knowing the story behind these kids from this blog, I did feel quite sad as I watched these 4 wonderful kids and to think they have to go through all this.

sinleong
14-06-2008, 01:45 PM
i understand that the mother is a foreigner. perhaps she is so sick of life in malaysia, she is now trying to get enough money to go back to her home country with all the kids.

whatever her reasons, making her children beg is so wrong. only way to stop this is for all of us to stop practising double standards. apply the law, which is to stick all the kids into the shelter and arrest the mother. if they were any other colour, they would have been thrown in long ago. i can't understand how this issue is being allowed to drag for so long.

DarkNite
14-06-2008, 02:28 PM
In that theStar link, it is reported that the husband gave RM4000 per month!
I cannot believe it is so much.
If this is true, the why make those children beg?

sinleong
14-06-2008, 02:38 PM
In that theStar link, it is reported that the husband gave RM4000 per month!
I cannot believe it is so much.
If this is true, the why make those children beg?


yes... but we havent heard the wife's side of the story yet...

DarkNite
14-06-2008, 04:51 PM
yes... but we havent heard the wife's side of the story yet...and quite right that we haven't heard her side of the story.
It better be the best in the world for making the children beg!
.... and I still can't get over the RM4000 per month!!!

Raikonen did some calculation that 'Typical middle income' group family


Housing instalment - RM800
Car loan - RM800
Utilities - RM200
Food & groceries for a couple with 2 kids - RM800
Petrol - RM350
Insurance -RM200
Kids schooling fees,allowances & misc. - RM250

Subtotal - RM3,400.
Minus the RM4000 got RM600!!

USJ27Resident
14-06-2008, 09:52 PM
Saturday June 14, 2008

My kids donít have to beg, says dad

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/6/14/nation/21536350&sec=nation

Something not right here.... father and mother separated... kids with mother... mother using kids to solicit money from public... now KNOWING this facts..WHY IS THE FATHER NOT TAKING THE KIDS FROM THE MOTHER?? Unless... the father couldn't be bothered as well... :rolleyes:

I pity the kids... PERIOD!

umadavid
14-06-2008, 10:09 PM
what does the father mean by "thinking of applying for custody"? Also, "he is separated". Are they officially divorced or not? Too many questions...too few answers

pcyeoh
15-06-2008, 02:30 AM
Time now is 2.30 am and I am rather too sleepy to tell you this "once upon a time" story which I shall later. It is rather sad.

yvonnefoong
16-06-2008, 05:34 AM
Hello everyone. It's been some time since I last read and posted in this thread. I did not agree with separating the mother and children, but as Sinleong, or somebody else said, we can't practice double standard in reality.

In an outing the other day, a friend assisting the Adun in organizing community activities asked us for suggestions. Someone brought up the idea of collecting recyclable items from houses. But in my opinion, efforts to preserve the environment has be collaborative, between the local government, council, and residents. Recycling is good, but we have to handle social issues first. Protecting the environment is still not the priority of most people out there.

That led me to consider this mother and four children issue the same way. There are many such problematic people in SJ. The other day, a guy came up to me with a stack of bookmarks saying he's raising funds for a prosthesis and I donated. But someone later said this guy has been going round for years. I have also noticed young and aging folks begging, no longer like how they used to do. Now they have learned to smile, as though the friendlier they appear, the more willing you'd be. I am ever concerned about the aging folks who beg because I have a 67 year old dad with diminished mental capacity. I would never wish for my dad to be in such a position. I wonder do these old people who beg in SJ, are aware of or understand what they're doing.

This case of the mother and four children has inspired me to take extra note of people begging for money around SJ. It's becoming a usual sight.

Shall we come up with a program to raise awareness of this issue of begging? Shall we form a group and reach out to these people who beg, study them, and understand what had caused the increased amount of people who beg in SJ? Shall we somehow, work together, to fight against this begging trend?

P/S: I'd love to do something for the community. But joining the local DAP office is inconvenient for my physical condition. I'd love to engage the beggars myself, but being deaf makes it difficult. Therefore, I have to rely on the internet. USJ forum members have helped me tremendously in past years. I strongly believe this forum can reach out to more people on the macro level. Those here who reached out to this mother and child are inspiring. Shall we go from here and plan something to help more of such people?


This is just a wish of mine, tuck away for long. A nudge here, a nudge there, but never expressed because I am only one person. But USJ forum is different. Here, we have a community.