Criminal intimidation at UPM

[Raikonen]

http://www.malaysiakini.tv/?vid=1372

Pity these non malay students in local unis...Better off go to unis in spore

[hhtee]

thanks for the link.

for those with bad internet connection, please try to download using some other programs e.g. Download Accelerator. Just add this link: -

http://screen.malaysiakini.tv:443/download_video/1509_UPM_Students.wmv

[hhtee]

I have finished watching the video. That person (X) who confiscated the laptop is really too much. There is no proper procedure whatsoever in UPM. From what I can see, the students themselves demanded their rights. (X) is so scared of the video camera LOL . good! Let him be scared and let all the staff in UPM be scared like (X). Know this! Students nowadays are not scared of the authorities or anyone above them. They demand their rights.

The last time I alone did something like this was in 2002. I didnt have a good camera. It was just a 640 X 480 digital camera and it wasn't even a video camera. I flashed it around in the department and the officer in charge who was dealing with me, apologised to me.

I am glad that there are more students like this nowadays. Please fight for your rights. Don't let people bully you. Can you imagine what happens if (X) confiscated the student's laptop and used the student's laptop and got the laptop infected with virus ? Who is gonna be responsible. Or what happens if (X) forgot to lock up the room and a thief stole the laptop? Who is gonna be responsible? The student cannot even claim his laptop. Students are not rich. So stop bullying them. Pick somebody your own size UPM! Don't be such a sissy.

[TiNKeRFY]

What a coward!!
Cannot get into his own car, hide in another car...
If that coward is an employee of UPM, then he should be sacked immediately!!

[hhtee]

What a coward!!
Cannot get into his own car, hide in another car...
If that coward is an employee of UPM, then he should be sacked immediately!!
yes. he is definitely a coward. I can see that some young ladies there even have more guts than this man! In Bahasa, perempuan-perempuan ini lebih gagah dari laki tu.

These young ladies are brave because they dare RISK their lives by standing in front of the car. In contrast to the coward, he had to hide in the car and he had to have a seperate talk with the police officer! Why didn't he have the guts to speak to the police officer in front of everyone else?

[xaviers]

I am confused.

But from the video... we have a very serious problem...those guys at the top say everything is honky dory... they need to get down there.

[irisbaggins]

Wow....very brave students.....go go upm students. I think the security guy might have berak hijau that nite.....haha

[wksp]

if i am not mistaken this incident happened during campus election time with parties chok chok with each other like our nation election.It happened that some one in authority instructed the campus guards to target this student if i am not mistaken candidate for opposition.

[lord]

But from where I am looking, this is NO laughing matter. What the students did was exactly right. They were exercising their rights to demand a return of the items. The manner which the staff confiscated the items were totally out of jurisdiction. No formal list was handed to the student after confisticating the items. And this is blatant!!

The police officer or constable should have done more than just stand watch the argument. No, an inspector should have been dispatched, someone with authority to make decisions.

This saga only goes to show the level of tnsion we are forced to live in. Even the mdia are tight-lip on this, there's been no news or reports.

It is sad to witness such a thing, especially after spending all those millions to celebrate 'our' 50th independence. Independence of what?? Keluar mulut rimau, masuk mulut buaya for the non-malays. I honestly think the non-malays had a better deal with the english around than to be ruled by half-baked mat's!!.

[wombat]

i cant understand why chinese are still 2nd class citizen in our own country?

[online12793]

In other countries they just put a bullet
to the guy's head for taking their laptop.

[uchangeng]

there must be a better way to resolve issue like this. the way i see it, the authorities is showing the usual "saya ada kuasa, engkau cina siapa?" racist attitude, high-handed, authoritarian mentality. The students are showing defiant, this is not our culture. If we allow this antigonistic cultures to breed in our campus, this country is doomed! These youths are our future leaders.

[toink77]

Bravo to the students! I'm glad to see that these students are aware of their rights. Sadly, harrassment against students is common in our universities. I work in a local U & it's not uncommon to see students being maltreated especially by the administration staff - espcially the clerks. Some of them are being yelled at and treated like sampah masyarakat. I tell you, this is not only happening to non-Malay students, but in general, it's happening to all students. What is happening to good manners and courtesy....

[BMW9700]

Bravo to the students! I'm glad to see that these students are aware of their rights. Sadly, harrassment against students is common in our universities. I work in a local U & it's not uncommon to see students being maltreated especially by the administration staff - espcially the clerks. Some of them are being yelled at and treated like sampah masyarakat. I tell you, this is not only happening to non-Malay students, but in general, it's happening to all students. What is happening to good manners and courtesy....


yes bravo to the students for standing up to these brainless scum....my worry is that these students may never see their degree...

[Timo]

Without proper context, we can't really make any conclusions. The story is only given by one side, how are we going to know if they are really telling the WHOLE truth?

Having said that, based on the video alone (without the attached story), I personally found the students to be very annoying, overly emotional, and heavy handed. Why can't they discuss things in a calm, logical manner without resorting to shrieking yells of 'itu hak saya'. In my view, it is this bunch of students who are the intimidators. It is mob/tribal mentality on a relative small scale. And what we really don't need is more people who think within tribal lines.

[Rocky19]

there must be a better way to resolve issue like this. the way i see it, the authorities is showing the usual "saya ada kuasa, engkau cina siapa?" racist attitude, high-handed, authoritarian mentality. The students are showing defiant, this is not our culture. If we allow this antigonistic cultures to breed in our campus, this country is doomed! These youths are our future leaders.
what are you saying? the students should have not stand up for their rights. Or are suggesting they do what MCA does, just sit down and keep quiet? Maybe the campus culture should be like the BN culture?

Why worry about future leaders when the current ones we should be worried about and are the ones that are screwing us.

[Jaytea]

lets not make this a chinese vs malay issue.
it could easily happen to a student in campus who is alleged to be aligned to pkr or pas.
what the HalEhwal Pelajar guy did was wrong, and lets focus on that.

[wksp]

lets not make this a chinese vs malay issue.
it could easily happen to a student in campus who is alleged to be aligned to pkr or pas.
what the HalEhwal Pelajar guy did was wrong, and lets focus on that.
I totally agreed with Jay let not look on racial line but i think we have to look into our entire varsity policies and undang2.The students lack space to express and organise activities ,a sad state for Malaysia future.

[online12793]

That is why a lot of people go overseas to study UNI
instead of doing it in Malaysia.

Just like the guy who sing that song on youtube.

[hhtee]

When I was in UK, I hung an English flag on my window. My neighbour hung a Scottish flag on his other window. I was from Malaysia and he is from another country. The university accomodation warden and many other students know that this would upset certain students.

They tried to "persuade" me and my friend to remove the flag. I asked the warden, "WHY?". The warden's lame excuse was, "oh, it's a fire hazard". In return, i asked, "how could it be a fire hazard? there is a curtain at the window and should that be removed as well? are you trying to make everyone peek into my window while I change and while I am having my private moments?" The warden kept queit and reiterated, "It's a fire hazard". No action was taken against me and my friend. The warden is Scottish :)

You see, if there were something in the rule book, I am sure the warden would have made me remove the flag. Likewise if in UPM, there is something in the rule book that says, UPM can confiscate laptops at anytime, then go ahead and confiscate it. But from what I see, I think those students know that there is none in the rule book and UPM is abusing their powers and hence they are demanding that proper procedure be followed.

How would you feel if your other objects e.g. car is confiscated by the police with no reasons? I will not keep queit about it.

[Raikonen]

Without proper context, we can't really make any conclusions. The story is only given by one side, how are we going to know if they are really telling the WHOLE truth?

Having said that, based on the video alone (without the attached story), I personally found the students to be very annoying, overly emotional, and heavy handed. Why can't they discuss things in a calm, logical manner without resorting to shrieking yells of 'itu hak saya'. In my view, it is this bunch of students who are the intimidators. It is mob/tribal mentality on a relative small scale. And what we really don't need is more people who think within tribal lines.

Yeah i guessed the students should be meek, submissive and obedient kids to the uni authorities and grow up and be MCA members who always have "closed doors meetings" and get their *** kicked around. If one is not firm and tough and stand up to these bullies, what do u think will happen? Try and reason with such people??

[hhtee]

Actually, I was hoping that one of the drivers knock down one of the students. Err.... I m not bad hearted or what but what I meant was maybe knock one of the students down and the student suffers from a broken say leg or arm (not die). Then, UPM will be in the news.

From what I see, I doubt this news will ever get out in the press. You guys see lah, in the local press, where got this news? Mana ada ?

Sometimes, somebody have to be sacrificed to get justice.

[hhtee]

UPM ditches out letter

http://screen.malaysiakini.tv:443/download_video/upm1709.wmv

[sinleong]

Without proper context, we can't really make any conclusions. The story is only given by one side, how are we going to know if they are really telling the WHOLE truth?

Having said that, based on the video alone (without the attached story), I personally found the students to be very annoying, overly emotional, and heavy handed. Why can't they discuss things in a calm, logical manner without resorting to shrieking yells of 'itu hak saya'. In my view, it is this bunch of students who are the intimidators. It is mob/tribal mentality on a relative small scale. And what we really don't need is more people who think within tribal lines.

hi Timo,
i was one of those silent majority who condemned the riots during the reformasi period after anwar ibrahim's sacking and subsequent beating. i thought why cant these people take things in a civilized manner and turn to the electorate for their solution.

many years later, i began to realize that they did not really have any other way out. the press, the police, the judiciary and all other forms of authorities are controlled and supressed. they have no voice. this led to outpouring of emotions, exactly the kind faced by these upm students. i doubt they would have been able to achieve much if they have tried a "civilized" approach with these officers. i know, and i think you know too, if you and i have both gone through the system.

it works if you are on their side of the fence. that is the conformist side. but is that the type of malaysia we want to bid for? do we want a malaysia who sits by and see their freedom, their property, their hard earned tax money being taken or squandered away?

though i hate a scene, i think if i was there in upm that day i would have joined those students...

[kwchang]

Jaytea is right. You blokes (as usual) has to become racist ... see my collection of comments in this thread -

#01 raikonen - "..Pity these non malay students.."
#09 lord - "..the non-malays had a better deal.."
#10 wombat - "..why chinese are still 2nd class citizen.."
#12 uchangeng - "..engkau cina siapa?.."
#16 rocky - "..do what MCA does.."
#21 raikonen - "..grow up and be MCA members.."

This shows how you flers are brainwashed by the divide-and-rule policies. All of you are so easily fired up.

Picture this ....

In a large gathering, all any trouble-maker has to do is light the racist fuse and you flers will fall into their trap. I am apalled at how educated upper-middle class people can be so easily manipulated. Have any one of you (mentioned above) even took one step back and see how easy it is to be a pawn? Do you see why I condemn racist comments in this Forum?

[joebloke]

there must be a better way to resolve issue like this. the way i see it, the authorities is showing the usual "saya ada kuasa, engkau cina siapa?" racist attitude, high-handed, authoritarian mentality. The students are showing defiant, this is not our culture. If we allow this antigonistic cultures to breed in our campus, this country is doomed! These youths are our future leaders.
Bravo to the students. This is harassment and intimidation at the highest level by the powers that be. I don’t get you, uchangeng when you said that it is not our culture to be defiant. We should be glad that we still have students of conscience who dare to act and defend their basic rights. They give us hope that all is not lost. We don’t need people like you who pour cold water.

[Raikonen]

Jaytea is right. You blokes (as usual) has to become racist ... see my collection of comments in this thread -

#01 raikonen - "..Pity these non malay students.."
#09 lord - "..the non-malays had a better deal.."
#10 wombat - "..why chinese are still 2nd class citizen.."
#12 uchangeng - "..engkau cina siapa?.."
#16 rocky - "..do what MCA does.."
#21 raikonen - "..grow up and be MCA members.."

This shows how you flers are brainwashed by the divide-and-rule policies. All of you are so easily fired up.

Picture this ....

In a large gathering, all any trouble-maker has to do is light the racist fuse and you flers will fall into their trap. I am apalled at how educated upper-middle class people can be so easily manipulated. Have any one of you (mentioned above) even took one step back and see how easy it is to be a pawn? Do you see why I condemn racist comments in this Forum?

Mr Kwchang, what is so racist with the statements there? Those are indeed non malay students and my opinion of mca is never favourable for the obvious reasons. Do u need to read more than there is into the statements and take them out of context? Some of the rest of the statements may actually be facts of life. Are u gonna call one ultra-racist if one were to say that Malay hegemony is the order of the day in this country?

[Stan]

I suppose I can see that if one were to just view the video, one can make the case that the students were overly emotional.

However, one needs ot look at the overall situation not jsut the incident by itself.

Why did the security raid the students room and interrogate him for 2 hours and in the middle of the night? Did they have the legal right to do so?

Why did they confiscate his belongings? And did they have the legal right to do so?

If they have the right to confiscate things, why did they not acknowledge seizing the items?

It seems to me that the students was merely asking for acknowledgement in the form of a letter that certain items were taken from him.

I think thats only fair.

I seems that the officer in charge was trying to evade the situation and started being emotional by waggin his finger and threatening to 'rampas' the video camera.

He being the adult and authority should have approached it in a calm professional manner instead of trying to sneak away.

So if there is any mob mentality presnet it was nstigated by the officer's initial reaction.


Without proper context, we can't really make any conclusions. The story is only given by one side, how are we going to know if they are really telling the WHOLE truth?

Having said that, based on the video alone (without the attached story), I personally found the students to be very annoying, overly emotional, and heavy handed. Why can't they discuss things in a calm, logical manner without resorting to shrieking yells of 'itu hak saya'. In my view, it is this bunch of students who are the intimidators. It is mob/tribal mentality on a relative small scale. And what we really don't need is more people who think within tribal lines.

[sinleong]

according to the students involved, the confiscate incident was related to the campus election campaign now on-going. i also received a report today that a malay student who aspires to stand as an "anti-establishment" candidate had his motorcycle splashed in yellow paint and a note to warn him against standing for the elections.
i did not attend local U but i have heard and read so much to be able to draw an opinion about this matter. and i think many of you who did attend local U's can testify from your own personal experiences. if you are a student standing on an "establishment" ticket, you'd get feted to meals, hotel stays guised as leadership camps and lots of benefits which is paid out of the pockets of tax-payers. on the other hand, "anti-establishment" candidates get whacked in all sorts of manners, and often government and authority's machineries are utilized against them.
i am not drawing any support for pro or anti establishment candidates or their supporters. however, i am just wondering if this is the type of malaysia that we want where adults from a young age are molded to fear rebelion.

[Rocky19]

chang,

if a lifetime MCA member says this is not the culture we should see in our future leaders, than I do not see why I should not ask if the students should be following MCA style.

if that warrants you to call me a racist, so be it. I know where I stand as far as being a Malaysian and a racist.

[sirgalahad2010]

Mr Kwchang, what is so racist with the statements there? Those are indeed non malay students and my opinion of mca is never favourable for the obvious reasons. Do u need to read more than there is into the statements and take them out of context? Some of the rest of the statements may actually be facts of life. Are u gonna call one ultra-racist if one were to say that Malay hegemony is the order of the day in this country?

Oh, give it a rest.....

I might as well say that the WASP hegemony is the order of the day in the US, Australia, Canada and the UK.

Or that ethnic Chinese hegemony is the order of the day in u-know-where.

The only real hegemon in this world is the good, old US of A. All the others are merely pretenders.

[online12793]

In another 10 to 20 yrs time China would rule the world.
In the USA, Australia & UK there is more Chinese restaurants
than McDonald's!!!

[online12793]

Why did the security raid the students room and interrogate him for 2 hours and in the middle of the night? Did they have the legal right to do so?

Why did they confiscate his belongings? And did they have the legal right to do so?

If they have the right to confiscate things, why did they not acknowledge seizing the items?

It seems to me that the students was merely asking for acknowledgement in the form of a letter that certain items were taken from him.

I think thats only fair.


A friend of mine who is Asian as well as an Australian Citizen
went to Malaysia UNI to study some degree or masters
can't remember what that is, got his things taken as well
in the middle of the night when they raided the place.

He was furious so all he did was went to the Australian High Comm
to file a report within 48 hrs all his things was return to him
with a letter of apology that he show me.
This is not even in the news at all.

[hhtee]

A friend of mine who is Asian as well as an Australian Citizen
went to Malaysia UNI to study some degree or masters
can't remember what that is, got his things taken as well
in the middle of the night when they raided the place.

He was furious so all he did was went to the Australian High Comm
to file a report within 48 hrs all his things was return to him
with a letter of apology that he show me.
This is not even in the news at all.

Friend, I think it is time you kindly ask your friend to scan the letter of apology and upload it here.

we need to seek justice for the bullied malaysian students.

[online12793]

He is still in Malaysia and i will have to wait for him to come back
to get the letter off him then i can scan and upload it here.

[online12793]

The professor at the UNI thought that he was from China
or a Malaysian that's why they raided the place.

[denver]

I don't think this is an issue of race. The issue is more on University's procedures and policies, or lack thereof. I don't think the university would single out a particular race when carrying out raids. I heard some time ago several groups of Malay students were also raided and got their stuff confiscated due to involvement in deviant teachings and politics (not campus politics). In fact, one of the students were expelled. You don't hear this in the news either.

[hhtee]

He is still in Malaysia and i will have to wait for him to come back
to get the letter off him then i can scan and upload it here.
That's good :)

Some Malaysian Universities must be taught a lesson not to mess with student's rights :)

[hhtee]

I don't think this is an issue of race. The issue is more on University's procedures and policies, or lack thereof. I don't think the university would single out a particular race when carrying out raids. I heard some time ago several groups of Malay students were also raided and got their stuff confiscated due to involvement in deviant teachings and politics (not campus politics). In fact, one of the students were expelled. You don't hear this in the news either.
ok. If it is deviant teaching, then the teacher has got the right to confiscate the laptop BUT still procedures have to be followed! e.g. write a confirmation that they confiscated the laptop.

Imagine if the laptop goes missing. Where is the poor student going to get a new laptop? who is gonna pay for it?

[sinleong]

whether or not student is involved in deviant teachings or politics, the university should not have the right to go round confiscating things. that is the basic human rights of the student.

i don't understand why there is a rule in all malaysian public universities that students are not allowed to be involved in politics. many malaysian students overseas are involved in politics, there are kelab umno UK, PAS, MCA etc... there is even a malaysian student elected as a local councillor in london under the conservative party ticket.

how are students supposed to mature into all rounded adults when they cant do this and cant do that?

[sirgalahad2010]

whether or not student is involved in deviant teachings or politics, the university should not have the right to go round confiscating things. that is the basic human rights of the student.

i don't understand why there is a rule in all malaysian public universities that students are not allowed to be involved in politics. many malaysian students overseas are involved in politics, there are kelab umno UK, PAS, MCA etc... there is even a malaysian student elected as a local councillor in london under the conservative party ticket.

how are students supposed to mature into all rounded adults when they cant do this and cant do that?


Fyi, university students in Spore are not allowed to get involved in politics. For the elders amongst us, remember the Daniel James and Tan Wah Piow cases at the then University of Singapore?

[sinleong]

Fyi, university students in Spore are not allowed to get involved in politics. For the elders amongst us, remember the Daniel James and Tan Wah Piow cases at the then University of Singapore?

why compare with singapore? singapore is a nanny state by own admission of their senior minister. is that the type of malaysia that we want?

loads of singaporean students overseas are involved in politics too...

[online12793]

If you want FREE SPEECH go overseas.

[FreeThinker]

Actually, I have the same experience in a local university as well. I studied in UTM in Skudai, JB. There is this university department called the H.E.P. (Hal-Ehwal Pelajar) or Students Affairs Dept. I went to this office only several times in my 5 years there. The reason is that it was never a nice place to be. Those people sitting in this office are like thugs. They treat the students like they are 5 year olds. I remembered that I once wore a collared T-shirt (it has to be collared) with some writings in Mandarin. It was a buddhist society T-shirt, so of course it is written in Mandarin. The officer I went to see snub at me and ask me why I wear something which is written in Mandarin. I mean, was he questioning my right to wear the T-shirt of my choice? I could always argue with him and snub him back, but having needing something from him at the time, I smiled and explained to him that it is the Buddhist Society's T-shirt.

If you look at his face that time, you would agree with me that this guy is certainly a stuck-up. And they like to instruct and shout at the students, especially the 'anti-establishment' students. I do not mean to be racist, but it seems they have different treatment when it comes to Malay (And I specifically mention Malay because my orang asli coursemates also experienced the same thing). Maybe it is because most if not all non-Malays are with 'anti-establishment' camps while the Malays are divided. Or maybe it so happened that during my presence at the office, all the Malays students are from the 'establishment' camps.

Anyway, my point is, these people in the HEP wants to act like a Boss to the students that he can order them around like a clown. And due to the fact that most if not all of them are Malays, I thought that it had something to do with the Ketuanan Melayu.

And then there was this experience with my Malay coursemates in the university. I was asked by my Malay collegues in the classroom in front of a lecturer during Bahasa Malaysia subject session this - "Why can't you (the Chinese) behave like the Indonesian Chinese, assimilate yourselves so that you only speaks Bahasa and have Malay name?" I could not remember what cause the question to be asked, but I was really upset at that time. Can you imagine? Asking such a question in front of a lecturer? I did not reply as I think it does not make sense to answer such a silly question. Further, if I did answer, it would only fan the emotion of my fellow coursemates.

I mean, do they know the history of Indonesia? Do they know why the Indonesian Chinese only knows Indonesian language and has Indonesian names? Are they proud of what Suharto did to these poor Indonesian Chinese? Do they have the desire to act they way the Suharto's govt. did?

I guess, to them I was still the 'pendatang' who should bow to them.

[wksp]

u should mentioned that u believe Malaysia is a democractic nation as mention in the nation constitutions,it is because of pp like them that make this nation a dangerous place to be..By the way for your info all these pp were the products of our nations education systems.

[Raikonen]

Freethinker...my sympathies with you but u shouldnt say so much of such experience in here...U may get banana for being a racist.

[kwchang]

Raikonen, you are almost right - I will not refute comments made by commentators to the Forum because they will always say that that was their experience which they wanted to share. However, what is posted need some self censorship.

I have made my stand earlier (and all these commentators know of my comments made then) that I will not allow racist comments in usj dot com. No arguements over that will be entertained. If you need to post such pronouncations, please do so ... at other forums. There are other sites that welcome such comments - not here.

Now is my turn to exercise my ruling. I will need to close this thread because some people just cannot hold their tongues.