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sirgalahad2010
23-08-2007, 03:33 PM
An AFP report said that the Indonesian govt is increasing pressure on Msia to take swift action against abusive employers after the latest death of an Indonesian maid working in KL.

The beaten body of the 24-years-old maid was found last week.

A Msian couple is currently under investigation for her murder.

Seems to me that while we blame illegal immigrants for crimes in Msia, we are also quite capable of dishing out violence against foreign domestic helpers here.

Like they say, what goes around, comes around.

isarahim
23-08-2007, 03:37 PM
Earlier this year there were a series of headlines about maids in detention camps being raped by police officers. I never read anything about the outcome of this case. Anyone knows?

trifecta
23-08-2007, 09:00 PM
Like they say, what goes around, comes around.

Enlighten me, what do you exactly mean by this quote? An eye for an eye?

orchipalar
23-08-2007, 09:13 PM
An AFP report said that the Indonesian govt is increasing pressure on Msia to take swift action against abusive employers after the latest death of an Indonesian maid working in KL.

A Msian couple is currently under investigation for her murder.

Seems to me that while we blame illegal immigrants for crimes in Msia, we are also quite capable of dishing out violence against foreign domestic helpers here.

Like they say, what goes around, comes around.Err...what do you mean when you say "we"...? Who are you trying to implicate...as "we"...?

Hope you would make it clear...asap.

n asap...since you touched n reminded everyone here with issues of rising n rampant crime statistics committed by illegal immigrants...are you disputing...that fact...?

OR...would you rather suggest what the Indonesian authorities should do instead...to tackle the predominant problem that WE are facing in Malaysia...since millions of illegal immigrants from Indonesia in particular...have been coming n going...or those that have been overstaying...since the early 80s...?

OR...would you rather say that...the Malaysian government should instead put EXTRA pressure on the Indonesian authorities...in order that they get their acts together SWIFTLY...to tackle the problems with illegal Indonesian immigrants in Malaysia...?
Enlighten me, what do you exactly mean by this quote? An eye for an eye?Yeah...just what do you mean by that...?

sirgalahad2010
24-08-2007, 09:27 AM
Your predilection towards obfuscation has been exhibited before.

I make no apologies for what I posted.

And if you equate crimes in Msia committed by illegal immigrants with Msians beating up foreign domestic helpers, then I can only wonder at your mindset.

"An eye for an eye" and "what goes around, comes around" - surely that's simple English that doesn't need explanation. You can read them in any context that you choose.

trifecta
24-08-2007, 10:16 AM
And if you equate crimes in Msia committed by illegal immigrants with Msians beating up foreign domestic helpers, then I can only wonder at your mindset.

"An eye for an eye" and "what goes around, comes around" - surely that's simple English that doesn't need explanation. You can read them in any context that you choose.

I'm sorry but my comprehension of English may not be as good as yours so here is my take on your statement. You suggest that crimes commited by Malaysians against these maids pales in comparison to what these illegals have done against us, and because of this these unfortunate maids get what they deserve in some twisted form of retribution?

I couldnt disagree more I prefer we beat up those that commit those crimes instead of helpless maids. I've made my point before, for certain kinds of low lives for me it is guilty before innocent, just bash the crap out of them in lockup, but NOT MAIDS.

Like i said if i've intepreted you wrongly you have my sincere appology and it would help if you state what you actually mean. Again my SINCERE appologies if i mistook your statement.

PS: Dear Galahad, I strongly believe that we can give Orchi a pass for posting in such a way, or for that matter MANY MANY transgressions short of murder. You want to know why? You can ask the underprivilleged kids in Taman Megah for that answer. If there is ever a get out of jail card in this forum, orchi is one that most definitely earns it.

Timo
24-08-2007, 10:19 AM
I believe the abuse of foreign maids, and our increasing crime rate are actually linked. It all stems from our mentality, from how we treat foreign workers - we treat them as modern-day slaves.

How many people here who hire maids actually treat them like human beings rather than someone you pay and therefore 'own' ? If we can't treat foreign workers in our own home respectfully, then do we really expect large organisations to treat their foreign workers well?

GreenBug
24-08-2007, 10:30 AM
Your predilection towards obfuscation has been exhibited before.

I make no apologies for what I posted.

And if you equate crimes in Msia committed by illegal immigrants with Msians beating up foreign domestic helpers, then I can only wonder at your mindset.

"An eye for an eye" and "what goes around, comes around" - surely that's simple English that doesn't need explanation. You can read them in any context that you choose.First & foremost Sir, your English is a few levels above many of us, this is a community forum lah, not a university discussion site, aiyoh Sir G..... :D

On the issue of relating the abuse of maids to the crime committed by illegal immigrants is wrong in the first place. They are unrelated to each other.

One is OKBs (orang kaya baru) who do not have the right upbringing but got money to hire a maid and thought they have bought their rights too and turn abusive when their whims and fancies are not met. Sometimes, the maids themselves are also at fault, dishonest, lazy or simply not well-trained by their maid agencies. Both party pun boleh bikin salah....

As for the illegal immigrants, I think the fault lies with authorities who fail to keep these people out from our shores, period. I go to Tg. Sepat alot to visit some big-bike accessories shop there sometimes to shop for riding gears & crash helmets etc (smuggled stuff lah... :D ) and you won't believe how many of them are loitering around the Kuala Selangor - Morib seafront. So, if not enough jobs are available, won't these people turn to crimes to have some food on the table? Remember, they have to pay the human smuggling people their fees to come here too....

fairplay5
24-08-2007, 11:06 AM
Tell me where on earth where maids not abused even in Singapore there are so many cases that go unreported...
My own brother in law in singapore beats up his maid .its very common. i may report him soon.

orchipalar
24-08-2007, 11:11 AM
Seems to me that while we blame illegal immigrants for crimes in Msia, we are also quite capable of dishing out violence against foreign domestic helpers here.Err...so you think how Orchi responded to your relevant posting is obscurity...?

To begin with...in the same breath when you said that...what were you really thinking then...? Were you NOT yourself...trying to relate that ONE crime committed by that ONE couple...against how Malaysians are blaming rampant rising crimes committed by illegal immigrants...in your OWN mindset...?
I make no apologies for what I posted.

And if you equate crimes in Msia committed by illegal immigrants with Msians beating up foreign domestic helpers, then I can only wonder at your mindset.

"An eye for an eye" and "what goes around, comes around" - surely that's simple English that doesn't need explanation. You can read them in any context that you choose.Ahem...rather than reading you wrongly...so again what do you really mean by saying that...?

lord
24-08-2007, 12:24 PM
On the same note, can we also get the Indon gov to take responsibility for their maids who abuse kids under their care? Will they take responsibility???

hhtee
24-08-2007, 12:30 PM
Those abuse are only issolated cases.

on a DIFFERENT NOTE, can we have the Indonesian government do something about the bloodily haze? If they don't do anything, it will cause stress to malaysians and hence abuse their maid.

And what about the 1998 Riots ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BugSoNpjDQ http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Indonesian+Riot+1998 ) where people were slaughtered in their country? Is that not abuse ? You abuse and KILL your own people can. but here in Malaysia, we abuse your maids and they are at least still alive. ( I am not condoneing abuse though)

So, Indonesia, please shut up.

Chia Hak Soon
24-08-2007, 12:36 PM
Someone mentioned , treat the maids with the right mindset. I beg to differ.
I used to have an indonesian maid. I provide an air-conditioned room, I provide a prayer area, she is allowed to pray 5 times a day. I bring her to visit K.L. twin tower, k.l. tower, etc. I stop eating pork at home.

In the end, my good care and respect for her was not appreciated. As my wife and me are working couples, she helped herself by allowing her foreign boyfriend to have lunch in my house and help herself to use my masterbedroom and left it with lices. I end the ordeal by sacking her instantly .

Two months later after she left, I received a mail from her hubby in java addressed to her. Out of curiousity I opened it and the surprise. The contents of the letter from her hubby, advising to be patience and check where the jewelleries are and a contact will collect later from her.

Thanks to my abrupt decision , I was saved and this is one bad apple which I thought I care and treat her like my own family member.. So much for mindset.

patrick
24-08-2007, 12:37 PM
An AFP report said that the Indonesian govt is increasing pressure on Msia to take swift action against.....

Yes, Yes, YES!!!!.......can we also demand that the Indonesian govt take swift action against their haze problem which has been ongoing for years? Their foul "crime" affects even more people every year!

hhtee
24-08-2007, 12:37 PM
Someone mentioned , treat the maids with the right mindset. I beg to differ.
I used to have an indonesian maid. I provide an air-conditioned room, I provide a prayer area, she is allowed to pray 5 times a day. I bring her to visit K.L. twin tower, k.l. tower, etc. I stop eating pork at home.

In the end, my good care and respect for her was not appreciated. As my wife and me are working couples, she helped herself by allowing her foreign boyfriend to have lunch in my house and help herself to use my masterbedroom and left it with lices. I end the ordeal by sacking her instantly .

Two months later after she left, I received a mail from her hubby in java addressed to her. Out of curiousity I opened it and the surprise. The contents of the letter from her hubby, advising to be patience and check where the jewelleries are and a contact will collect later from her.

Thanks to my abrupt decision , I was saved and this is one bad apple which I thought I care and treat her like my own family member.. So much for mindset.

God was watching after you. You should send back the letter and say in Bahasa Indonesia, "I have informed the police and they will apprehend you very soon" :)

Oh, and also thank God

GreenBug
24-08-2007, 12:40 PM
On the same note, can we also get the Indon gov to take responsibility for their maids who abuse kids under their care? Will they take responsibility???Abuse? :eek: I thought they play cubit-cubit only? :D

On a serious note, whatever is happening between the maids, the OKBs and their naughty kids, it should not be related to the heinous crime by some illegal immigrants (who are not necessary Indonesians too!).

yokeimm
24-08-2007, 02:18 PM
I believe the abuse of foreign maids, and our increasing crime rate are actually linked. It all stems from our mentality, from how we treat foreign workers - we treat them as modern-day slaves.

How many people here who hire maids actually treat them like human beings rather than someone you pay and therefore 'own' ? If we can't treat foreign workers in our own home respectfully, then do we really expect large organisations to treat their foreign workers well?


My family and I treated our domestic helper with respect. I trained my children to help with the dishes and laundry. They do their own washing of undergarments and clean their own bathrooms and make their own beds. My children do not shout abuses at our domestic helper. A break every Sunday. Family holidays with us. All meals with the family. No two set of dishes. what we eat she eats. And yet after 6 years of trust and respect,our domestic helper decided to up and leave us with things which did not belong to her, including my wedding band and my clothes. Instead of boarding the plane to return home for a holiday, she decided to dish the flight and remain in Malaysia as an illegal. Its a slap in our faces for the respect and trust we gave her.

We have a new deomestic helper now. She seems nice. We continue to treat our employee with respect. Only time will tell if we will get another slap.

fabregas
25-08-2007, 11:47 PM
2 or 3 wrongs don't make a right. Whether its escalating crime rates by illegals, abusing maids or maids who abuse their employee's kindness. I know of agents who confiscate my maids' belongings when they arrive here or withold their salary or physically abuse them. I don't know about you guys, I had my share of good maids and bad maids, and its getting harder to hire good ones nowadays. I think its to do with Indon maids prefering to work in other countries which pay better and even provide holidays for them. I think agencies are probably recycling the bad apples. Having said that, I wonder if our dependence on foreign workers is a good trend. I now see foreign workers employed by supermarkets, news stands, restaurants, etc. Is it because they don't mind being paid less? I heard from a friend that a car workshop owner went to Vietnam to hire some mechanics, because they are cheaper and are willing to do Over time. What next, cheaper engineers, teachers, accountants, etc. Maybe we should start practising and enforcing minimum wage in this country.

USJ27Resident
26-08-2007, 07:32 PM
An AFP report said that the Indonesian govt is increasing pressure on Msia to take swift action against abusive employers after the latest death of an Indonesian maid working in KL....

Pahh! THE Indonesian Govt? asking Msia Govt to do this and that... they should take care of their own backyard first....

My maid has been with me for six years and have gone back 8 times... and EVERYTIME she goes back... she gets SCALPED by her own people... from CUSTOMS to IMMIGRATION , to the "authorised" TRANSPORT agents that is compulsory... if she wants to go home... !!


Two months later after she left, I received a mail from her hubby in java addressed to her. Out of curiousity I opened it and the surprise. The contents of the letter from her hubby, advising to be patience and check where the jewelleries are and a contact will collect later from her.

Now this is scary... :eek: