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firefox
12-07-2007, 02:25 PM
This is what our learned Minister of health advised. How much of this important message will get to the masses..Instead of warning us, why not close up all these factories that produce these dangerous plastic bottles or containers. Or enforce them to manufacture them accordingly.
I cant understand this utter rubbish being uttered by a Minister he is very irresponsible i will say.

Is this the reason why many of my friends are dying of cancer.


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/12/nation/18284064&sec=nation&focus=1

hhtee
12-07-2007, 02:45 PM
besides shutting those factories down, they could also put a requirement that all plastic bottles must be printed with the words, "DO FOR STORAGE OF FOOD / WATER" or something like that.

p031642
12-07-2007, 03:01 PM
I agree to this.. At least the Health Minister is doing his job, constantly reminding our people not to reuse plastic containers. Good job Dr Chua !

bugbear
12-07-2007, 03:07 PM
If I am not mistaken someone told me that all plastic containers usually have some marking at the bottom. Take any bottle and look at the bottom and you can see a recycle sign (triangle) with a single digit. Most of the mineral bottle have the digit 1. If the digit is 5 and above then that plastic container is safe to use for storage while those below 5 is not too good. Just a little info.

hhtee
12-07-2007, 03:17 PM
If I am not mistaken someone told me that all plastic containers usually have some marking at the bottom. Take any bottle and look at the bottom and you can see a recycle sign (triangle) with a single digit. Most of the mineral bottle have the digit 1. If the digit is 5 and above then that plastic container is safe to use for storage while those below 5 is not too good. Just a little info.

In my humble opinion, Numbers ! Numbers ! and Numbers don't really mean much. people like you who have heard of it (the triangle) may be able to comprehend what it means. But there are some who do not know what those numbers mean. I really feel that the words "Not for Storage Purposes" or something like that sort of message should be printed on the bottle.

It's good that Dr. chua lets the public know but better actions can be taken.

hhtee
12-07-2007, 03:19 PM
besides that, the government could also show a picture of a person storing water / food in plastic container and a picture of a person with cancer.


I mean, they can do it for cigarettes. Why don't do it for water ?

:D

bugbear
12-07-2007, 03:19 PM
In my humble opinion, Numbers ! Numbers ! and Numbers don't really mean much. people like you who have heard of it (the triangle) may be able to comprehend what it means. But there are some who do not know what those numbers mean. I really feel that the words "Not for Storage Purposes" or something like that sort of message should be printed on the bottle.

It's good that Dr. chua lets the public know but better actions can be taken.
The number denote the quality of the plastic. The lesser the number the worse the quality while the higher the number the better the quality of the palstic. Why don't you try looking at the bottom of the bottle?

iml109
12-07-2007, 03:30 PM
Guys, read the news article correctly. He is not asking the factories to not use those plastic bottles, but to tell us not to re-use them again and again for storage.

Those mineral water bottles / take away boxes are for single uses only. When they (the hawkers) use these bottles, they are new, so its safe.

Just dun keep on re-using them. Re-cycle them by throwing them into those re-cycle bins....

Use those Rubbermaid / Tupperware or whatever with at least number 5 and higher in the triangle at the bottom of the plastic wares.

I believe this topic has been circulated all over the emails and previously even in this forum.

And... not to be rude, but isn't it our own responsibilities to take care of our own health? I am sure a lot of ppl know about this issue already, heck, even my old folks know about this before me. It's just a matter of us believing in them or not and practice them or not.

Other than that, it's not fair for us to bash the Minister. The plastic bottles (used here) are the same quality used in other countries. In short, they are not breaching the FDA standards.

msiablueskies
12-07-2007, 05:40 PM
ala...this is call creat the demand for others safe to use container ma...
like tupper ware etc.
of cox the bottle maker will make the lowest grade and discourage recycle
or else how they are going to get repeating orders.
So Dr Chua should catch the snake by the head, punished those irresposible
manufacturers, less people will be treated with all sort of sickness in future :) :confused: .

pepsi
12-07-2007, 10:44 PM
Hearsay, those polysterene pack we use when we "ta pau" food is also quite harmful .In addition, not enviroment friendly. Can anyone confirm this

iml109
12-07-2007, 11:16 PM
PEPSI,

re the plastic bags, yea, can't be used to ta pau hot stuff like soup / porridge. that is why it's better to bring ur own tiffin if needed.

wAISEKMAo
13-07-2007, 12:07 AM
Hearsay, those polysterene pack we use when we "ta pau" food is also quite harmful .In addition, not enviroment friendly. Can anyone confirm this


1. Styrene Monomer - http://www.npi.gov.au/database/substance-info/profiles/76.html
2. bisphenol A - http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/134713/Polycarbonate_Water_Bottles_Harmful_to_Health
3. Dibutyl phthalate - http://www.npi.gov.au/database/substance-info/profiles/32.html
4. benzyl butyle phthalate –
5. di-2-ethylhexyl phthalate - http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts9.html

These are some of the effects from the Polythylene chemicals compound.

I can tell you that Food containers, plastic bags (those ta pao) and plastic bottles all are harmful to health. I have known those clear Poly carbonate sold cheaply in Carrefour / tesco / giant imported from china caused “Mandul”. It is banned from Japan and is a known fact in Plastic Materials supplier.

The other reasons why I do not use plastic container/bag for food packaging are because it is also a known fact that some percentage of the plastic materials are made from recycle materials which means dirt / other unknown substance might get into the container.

This are some of the reasons why there are dispute between US and China toy/plastic manufacturers. The Chinese manufacturers used too much recycles and it is very harmful and dangerous for human contact.

firefox
13-07-2007, 08:23 AM
Theres another article on this same issue in the Star today..and what are the authorities doing abt it, Nothing!!! just talk talk..I would say the plastic that parcels our hot food is more lethal than the unhygenic food that is being served now in all resturants.

Blue Jasmine
13-07-2007, 09:08 AM
Theres another article on this same issue in the Star today..and what are the authorities doing abt it, Nothing!!! just talk talk..I would say the plastic that parcels our hot food is more lethal than the unhygenic food that is being served now in all resturants.


Seems like everything is dangerous...from the food to their container. What is safe now? Nothing!!!

robertec
13-07-2007, 09:34 AM
I think it was during the introduction of the PET bottle by the carbonated drink makers, when young children around the whole of Asia were using the nice new bottles to carry water etc.. to school, when if I remember correctly there was a warning about reusing such bottles and also other plastic containers for storage especially of liquids sent out by the WHO.

And in Kiasi Singapore almost everyone turned to specially imported plastic containers from Korea. Till this day it is so, not many people reuse Mineral water bottles to store liquids in the fridge.

That happened quite a number of years ago. Isn’t this not a bit late for the warning now? Shows you that things are a bit behind in Bolehland. But like they say, better late than never.
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wAISEKMAo
13-07-2007, 09:48 AM
I think it was during the introduction of the PET bottle by the carbonated drink makers, when young children around the whole of Asia were using the nice new bottles to carry water etc.. to school, when if I remember correctly there was a warning about reusing such bottles and also other plastic containers for storage especially of liquids sent out by the WHO.

And in Kiasi Singapore almost everyone turned to specially imported plastic containers from Korea. Till this day it is so, not many people reuse Mineral water bottles to store liquids in the fridge.

That happened quite a number of years ago. Isn’t this not a bit late for the warning now? Shows you that things are a bit behind in Bolehland. But like they say, better late than never.
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Myfren told me that those plastic bag / containers that goes into Singapore are analysed and checked by Health Authorities. Even their contains are analyst.

wAISEKMAo
13-07-2007, 09:52 AM
Myfren told me that those plastic bag / containers that goes into Singapore are analysed and checked by Health Authorities. Even their contains are analyst.

sorry, their contents are checked!!

LMei
13-07-2007, 04:48 PM
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/13/nation/18294761&sec=nation

Looking at today's news. Not only should we not tapau hot drinks, but no more curry mee, etc. cos the hot soup should not be packed in these plastic bags.

AllUrban
16-07-2007, 01:18 PM
simple solution...

1) buy reusable plastic containers (polycarbonate, the "hard" plastic) for drinking water

2) buy a reusable polycarbonate food storage container to ta pau non-oily goods...keep it in your car

3) buy a metal tiffin carrier for ta pau of other items...keep it in your car...

then, the problem of health and safety is solved and you are protecting the environment by re-using and recycling...

Cheers, m

firefox
16-07-2007, 01:34 PM
good advise no doubt, but...... no we dont!

pepsi
16-07-2007, 03:04 PM
simple solution...

1) buy reusable plastic containers (polycarbonate, the "hard" plastic) for drinking water

2) buy a reusable polycarbonate food storage container to ta pau non-oily goods...keep it in your car

3) buy a metal tiffin carrier for ta pau of other items...keep it in your car...

then, the problem of health and safety is solved and you are protecting the environment by re-using and recycling...

Cheers, m
I can imagine those people manufacturing this stuff, are going to be in trouble, when we reduce usage for health purpose .

AllUrban
16-07-2007, 06:50 PM
I can imagine those people manufacturing this stuff, are going to be in trouble, when we reduce usage for health purpose .that's what competition is for...that is what consumerism is for...it is supposed to benefit the consumer with decent prices and high quality and safety.....

besides...companies should be ready to face the challenge of new markets and innovate when needed.

Cheers, m

hhtee
17-07-2007, 02:34 PM
Look! http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/17/nation/18325806&sec=nation&focus=1

Plastic makers insist food and water containers safe for reuse

firefox
17-07-2007, 02:35 PM
Ya, use at your own risk... can they be trusted?

hhtee
17-07-2007, 02:52 PM
Ya, use at your own risk... can they be trusted?
If I die, who is going to buy mineral water from them :D ?

They don't want me dead :D, do they ?

AllUrban
17-07-2007, 04:30 PM
heheheh as is usual...with all the hype, the truth is probably somewhere in between....

From the example of a PET water bottle...let's say I refill it to carry water...well, cannot clean it inside...so I refill it a few times, even rinse out, there will still be bacteria...and if I add hot water...makes it easier for the plastic to leach chemicals....

So...I might refill a PET bottle once or twice but ...cannot reuse for a long time....so better to buy the polycarbonate refillable bottle...which i can clean regularly....

I think that is the point...yes, you can reuse soft plastics once or twice, but they are not safe to reuse long term...better to buy proper food-saver containers for long term storage and reuse

Cheers, m

isarahim
17-07-2007, 05:09 PM
harmful
You haven't commented on Pepsi yet. Are they harmful or not?

denver
17-07-2007, 05:50 PM
If I die, who is going to buy mineral water from them :D ?

They don't want me dead :D, do they ?

Good point. :D

This topic has been discussed before.

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=17031&page=1&pp=15

The conclusion reached the last time was (which is still applicable here) is, like AllUrban said, that you can re-use mineral water bottles in short term. But you need to clean the bottles thoroughly and regularly, and never ever use the mineral water bottles to store hot water. Mineral water bottles are very thin (for one-time use), and hot water may release some of the chemicals. Tests by university in US shows there are traces of chemical, but very small to do any harm.

Plastic bottles for long term re-usablility all are very thick, unlike the mineral water bottles which are so thin you can crush them with one hand.

About the white polystyrene "tapau" containers, now this is new. I dont know if these polystyrene is harmful or not, although logically it must be harmful if it melted. But so far, from the hot Mee Goreng or Mee Mamak i bought, I have yet to experience a melt-down of the polystyrene foam. Nevertheless, this is something that should keep an eye on.

AllUrban
18-07-2007, 11:23 AM
a colleague did try to microwave one of the plastic ta pau containers, and it did burn a hold through the bottom and stink up the office...but this one is not microwave safe....

basically, if it's not thick plastic...dont use it that much and dont microwave it.

Cheers, m

FineTuned
18-07-2007, 11:57 AM
a colleague did try to microwave one of the plastic ta pau containers, and it did burn.....

:eek: it's extremely dangerous to microwave any empty (microwave safe or not) container! Where do you think all that unleashed energy will go? :D

BTW I'm in full agreement with you, AllUrban, when you say `the truth is probably somewhere in between....' It's extremely difficult to judge who's telling the truth. The plastics manufacturers, or the doomsayers? Everyone has their own agenda!

And I'm sure some of you will have heard about the dangers of those non-stick cooking pans...... I have actually dumped these and gone back to the old and trusted rusty iron wok.....

wAISEKMAo
18-07-2007, 01:08 PM
Look! http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/17/nation/18325806&sec=nation&focus=1

Plastic makers insist food and water containers safe for reuse

If you look at what the conclusions of the findings and you check around. Certain chemicals within the materials are actually harmful when you use them for a long period. A very very small dose of these chemicals are not harmful but when you build these small dose over time, then they are very harmful.

Anyway, JUST WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW. THE MOST HARMFUL PLASTIC PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET ARE
1. CUTLERY (SPOONS/FORK)
2. TOMATO / KETCHUP SMALL PLATES. YES, AS IN BK AND McD's.
WHY? BECAUSE THEY CONTAINS RECYCLES MATERIALS AND THESE RECYCLES MATERIALS CONTAINS TOKSIN.

firefox
18-07-2007, 01:37 PM
Theres why there are countless packed private hospitals attrending to all sorts of unfamiliar sickeness...there werent so many say abt 15years ago..Cancer is on the rise everywhere in the world too.

Sorry to sound morbid but its a fact.

AllUrban
18-07-2007, 04:05 PM
:eek: it's extremely dangerous to microwave any empty (microwave safe or not) container! Where do you think all that unleashed energy will go? :D .....hahahaha there was some food in the container too :p


And I'm sure some of you will have heard about the dangers of those non-stick cooking pans...... I have actually dumped these and gone back to the old and trusted rusty iron wok.....yes, a great way to get more iron in your diet :p

I believe that the concern with the non-stick pans relates to the material that actually makes the non-stick material stick to the pan....

as long as the non-stick pan is taken care of, no scratches, not worn out, it is safe...but if it gets scratched, or burnt up...replace it

Cheers, m

FineTuned
18-07-2007, 05:27 PM
yes, a great way to get more iron in your diet :p
Ya, I'm slightly anemic anyway, so it works great for me. :cool:


as long as the non-stick pan is taken care of, no scratches, not worn out, it is safe...but if it gets scratched, or burnt up...replace it

The issue is practically the same as using plastic containers. Just do a google on T*flon. Here again, the manufacturer D*pont denies that there is any danger, but the US EPA and the independant EWG seem to think otherwise.

Rocky19
19-07-2007, 09:31 PM
If I am not mistaken someone told me that all plastic containers usually have some marking at the bottom. Take any bottle and look at the bottom and you can see a recycle sign (triangle) with a single digit. Most of the mineral bottle have the digit 1. If the digit is 5 and above then that plastic container is safe to use for storage while those below 5 is not too good. Just a little info.
Wow!!! where did you get the info bro? I was shocked when usj27 told that is what they meant an hour ago. The numbers indicate a certain polymer. 1 is for PET(Polyethylene terephthalate), 2 for HDPE etc etc. 7 is for others.

The beverage bottles currently use certain amount of recycle material and have passed FDA approvals. There was a strong drive 15 years or so to ask them to do so as to reduce all the PET bottle in the environment. One reason PET(E) got number 1. As long it is recycle accordingly, recycle material are not all toxsin as claimed by some.

Now PVC is totally different animal cos you need to add plasticizers in order to process it as well as many lubricants etc.These plasticizers are an issue as some are unsafe for humans thus a move away from PVC for bottles and other food packaging. PET(E) and HDPE have replaced PVC as the material for bottles as well as other food packaging in Europe and elsewhere.

anyway for more info check out this website, yes one is industry base but remember they say something wrong, they will be sued cos it is USA ma. The

http://www.plasticsindustry.org/outreach/recycling/2124.htm

http://www.4spe.org/