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hhtee
10-07-2007, 11:25 AM
I got to admit that the recent case where the young girl (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=18897) who went missing and killed, the police managed to apprehend the suspects.

However, in today's news, some victims of snatch thief were asked to withdraw their police report (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/10/nation/18254074&sec=nation)

Sometimes, I see the good in police and at some other times, I see weird reports about the police.

I would like to know, how many of you have confidence in our Malaysian police ?

Please also state your reasons as to why you choose yes or no

bugbear
10-07-2007, 11:52 AM
I must say on the whole, the bad out weight the good so far. I know they are doing their best but somehow I feel something is just not quite right. Here are my reasons.

1. Refusal to implement IPCMC. (Is that insubodination?)
2. Allegation of corruption against the IGP himself.
3. Slipshod investigation resulting in criminal escaping punishment.
4. Crime rate goes up in Johor, KL, Selangor and Sabah.
5. Bickering between Deputy Internal Security Minister with the police force.
6. Allegation against the Deputy minister in the RM5.5 millions fiasco.
7. Police image take a beating in the altantuya case.
8. The Internal Minister himself is so clueless that he only answer "I don't know..." all the time. Does not give confident to the rakyat.
9. A spineless Internal Minister kowtoking to the police no to implement IPCMC.

hhtee
10-07-2007, 12:07 PM
haha... looks like 6 people voted so far but some yet to reply to the reasons.

Anyway, for me, my concerns are as follows: -

a) When I was younger i.e. many many years ago, I could see people obeying traffic rules. Nowadays, I see people breaking them. e.g. traffic offences, parking inconsiderately, queue jumping, mobile phones, etc.
b) I also have witnessed this lady, when she was passing by the police, she put on her seat belt. Then, later when she drove past the police, she released her seat belt. She knows that the police is there and only display the seat belt when she is in view of the police.
c) breaking law in front of the police. I have seen some people without seat belt or worst, talking on the phone. They just drive pass the police man. (haha of course once in awhile I would honk just to get the police's attention) but what baffles me is, why people are not afraid of the law and police man?
d) i have seen video clips of people breaking the law in front of the police station.
e) I have also read about news about prostitute centres about 200m away from the police station
f) the ascelating crime rate in Johor also scares me.

Of course, I did mention about the good in police earlier but for me, like
bugbear, the bads outweigh the good ....

oh I also wanted to mention about the Altantuya case and also that Raja Petra Kamarudin linked out current IGP to gangsters and corruption!

FreeThinker
10-07-2007, 02:02 PM
Read this and tell me how on earth are we supposed to trust the police?

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=18919

regines
10-07-2007, 02:14 PM
those polis are ****s !!!

recently, my ofc got broke in by a security guard in my ofc building, bali sunway. wif full evidance, coz our ofc cctv recorded the whole senario, i went to make polis report in b.polis sg.way & u know wat the sarjan on duty tell me ??

he ask me " BAGI CHANCE" to that thief coz he say he got too many case to handle !!

& when i insist to go on wif my report, he keep delaying my case, for more than a week to catch the thief saying he's very bz !!!

i was so helpless sitting there risking my life everyday in ofc dt know when the guard will break in again...

hhtee
10-07-2007, 02:30 PM
those polis are ****s !!!

recently, my ofc got broke in by a security guard in my ofc building, bali sunway. wif full evidance, coz our ofc cctv recorded the whole senario, i went to make polis report in b.polis sg.way & u know wat the sarjan on duty tell me ??

he ask me " BAGI CHANCE" to that thief coz he say he got too many case to handle !!

& when i insist to go on wif my report, he keep delaying my case, for more than a week to catch the thief saying he's very bz !!!

i was so helpless sitting there risking my life everyday in ofc dt know when the guard will break in again...

so at the end did you make a police report?
have you tried complaining to www.rmp.gov.my ? there is an e-aduan section

hhtee
10-07-2007, 02:47 PM
one of my experiences is that I have to wait a long time to see the Sarjan after a car accident.

Then on another day, I have to wait for him for more than an hour after I made an appointment to see him

hhtee
10-07-2007, 02:59 PM
those polis are ****s !!!

recently, my ofc got broke in by a security guard in my ofc building, bali sunway. wif full evidance, coz our ofc cctv recorded the whole senario, i went to make polis report in b.polis sg.way & u know wat the sarjan on duty tell me ??

he ask me " BAGI CHANCE" to that thief coz he say he got too many case to handle !!

& when i insist to go on wif my report, he keep delaying my case, for more than a week to catch the thief saying he's very bz !!!

i was so helpless sitting there risking my life everyday in ofc dt know when the guard will break in again...

I will protect you.
I will stand guard there :D

bugbear
10-07-2007, 04:53 PM
I will protect you.
I will stand guard there :D
Ehh...hhtee, it is due to your chivary or it is due to regine's photos?? :D

firefox
10-07-2007, 04:57 PM
even if i say i have no confidence with the police would it matter to them, not at all..they will say kita join police force to cari makan macham awak lah.

avusblue
10-07-2007, 05:41 PM
Monkey see monkey do.
Kepala do, anak buah also do.
Pay so little, what to do.
All go and "N"ANTI-RASUAH lor ...

10 years ago, where got motorcyclist run red light.
Nowadays, where got motorcyclist wait red light.
20 years ago, people respect police,
Nowadays, people suspect police.

My cousin kena snatch theft at SS2, just came out from bank after exchanging foreign currency .. lots of it. They make police report, police ask for the car number, etc. Then police say ... aiyah ... banyak susah mau tangkap la ... berapa u boleh offer? After police heard how much was lost, they pretty much said impossible to catch la. Really makes u wonder whether they caught the robbers and kept it for themselves ... we'll never know.

No respect, how to have confidence?

GreenBug
10-07-2007, 06:30 PM
I have every confidence that the POLIS will be there for me...... when I am turning the sharp bend on the motorcycle track parallel to the Federal Highway on my big bike at 80kmph... :mad:
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racheljansz
10-07-2007, 08:56 PM
I have every confidence that the POLIS will be there for me...... when I am turning the sharp bend on the motorcycle track parallel to the Federal Highway on my big bike at 80kmph... :mad:
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I also very confident they will be on the Plus highway, behind a bush or pylon, behind a speeding camera, consistently watching out for me when I hit 121kmh :rolleyes:

hhtee
10-07-2007, 09:13 PM
Ehh...hhtee, it is due to your chivary or it is due to regine's photos?? :D
where where ? I didn't see any photo. where got ? :o

USJ27Resident
10-07-2007, 10:32 PM
....behind a bush or pylon, behind a speeding camera, consistently watching out for me when I hit 121kmh :rolleyes:

buddy... you missed a few other hiding spots... and it would be neat if you could name a few places where these "MiB" like to hide...

sorry to say this...but truthfully, truth hurts...
fact is... our POLIS (at times) think and behave like thugs in uniforms ~ but if you know them or better yet; if they know you - they will treat you like VIP for the fact that you ARE their asset and best PR...

How many times or how many of you, have been pulled over and got a hostile reception instead of a friendly face that was doing his/her job...

How many times, have you seen or got caught in stupid unauthorised road block manned by two uniformed? plaincloth? policemen... AFAIK, a roadblock must have proper barricades, checkpoints AND A RANKING OFFICER !! Then again, most of the time when you actually get to a BALAI to see the officers, they are either "kursus", "leave" or just plain missing...so how do you expect these officers to man checkpoints and road blocks... hmmm...

If a policeman SEES you with a mobile phone stuck to the side of your face - what are the chances of the policeman writing you a summons or would he dilly dally till you're made to "offer" an alternative arrangement. As to this example... I have a habit of leaning my arm on the door side whilst resting my head on my palm.... which from a distance can look like someone using a HP. This cop (from Putra Heights station) whizzes past me, flags me down and accuses me of using a darn HP... which obviously was not true as I was resting/leaning on my arm... then I tell him if he still not convinced, just check the call registry, in which he retorted - "registry boleh padam!!!" Now that pissed me off big time... Here I am telling the truth and this overweight pot bellied policeman is accusing me of lying... Only when I said - jumpa kat balai, kita cakap dengan dengan CI - did he back off... Now why on earth would he ride away if he was so convinced that I had commited an offence...

I tell you this... simply put, there are good cops and there are bad cops... good cops keep quiet and stay out of trouble... bad cops looks for trouble, finds trouble and creates trouble when trouble is not around...


FEEL FREE TO ADD/COPY/PASTE
Places where COPS love to play HIDE and SEEK with their RADARS, WALKIE, and whatnots....in USJ
1. The USJ exit toward Puchong...
2. The Subang- Subang Jaya Underpass.... from Subang Airport...
3. The last set of flyovers adjacent to Putra Heights... (ELITE)
4.

hhtee
10-07-2007, 11:34 PM
I tell you this... simply put, there are good cops and there are bad cops... good cops keep quiet and stay out of trouble... bad cops looks for trouble, finds trouble and creates trouble when trouble is not around...


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I thought the good cop and bad cop thing only works in the Hollywood police interogation room. Looks like in Malaysia, also have good cop, bad cop :D

USJ27Resident
10-07-2007, 11:51 PM
I thought the good cop and bad cop thing only works in the Hollywood police interogation room. Looks like in Malaysia, also have good cop, bad cop :D

About this good cop, bad cop thingy... well, if it is the same fella - then he would be suffering frm schizophrenia.... :p

Rocky19
11-07-2007, 01:02 AM
Ehh...hhtee, it is due to your chivary or it is due to regine's photos?? :D
careful.Online not everything is what you see. Can't remember the nick, but was a girl nick with sexy photo but actually it was a guy who was posting as a lady.Our Patrick once also had avatar of a lady. He he.

hhtee
11-07-2007, 01:05 AM
careful.Online not everything is what you see. Can't remember the nick, but was a girl nick with sexy photo but actually it was a guy who was posting as a lady.Our Patrick once also had avatar of a lady. He he.
Aiya Rocky! You so late haven't slept ar.....

I am awake because I am guarding regina's office :D LOL

Rocky19
11-07-2007, 01:09 AM
I also very confident they will be on the Plus highway, behind a bush or pylon, behind a speeding camera, consistently watching out for me when I hit 121kmh :rolleyes:
Not necessarily 121kmh.I was stopped 2 weeks ago at Sungkai on the way to Penang. I was clearly not speeding as cruise control was at 113kmh. Pulled me over, I kept quite, never said a thing nor took of my licence out. He looked at his notebook. Asked me where I was going, looked at my number plate and let me go. So friendly cops, stopped at 7.55am to ask me where I'm going. :rolleyes: :(

Would it turn out to a highway robber if I was not sure of my speed or spoke as thou I was guilty. I was ready to blow my top if I was told I was traveling at 121kmh in Sungkai which happened to me couple of years back in Bandar Bharu.

kwchang
11-07-2007, 07:05 AM
Be careful, you flers are bashing the very people whom you hope to help you in times of need.

I strongly believe a few bad apples are spoiling the bunch. So please do not generalize on the bad points when most of the police force is out there rain or shine keeping our neighbourhood safe or risking their lives to arrest the crooks

Longfellow
11-07-2007, 07:11 AM
Be careful, you flers are bashing the very people whom you hope to help you in times of need.

I strongly believe a few bad apples are spoiling the bunch. So please do not generalize on the bad points when most of the police force is out there rain or shine keeping our neighbourhood safe or risking their lives to arrest the crooks


Good apples are very scarse these days.

birdy
11-07-2007, 11:27 AM
Good apples are very scarse these days.
It is scarce but still there is, right... I believe we should at times, thankful to the policemen for their hard work, thought they may not up to the 'international' standards, they are progressing. With current high technology ... criminal may be better equipped than the police force. So, even they failed, they hv tried.

I really surprised when the police able to detect false play immediately upon interviewing the killer mother - Jess Teh. That's pretty fast... hope that the police able to get sufficient evidence and charge the cruel mother.

All of us need to be independent... how can u rely on someone else for your safety all the time.... it is our duty to take precaution...After all, prevention is better than cure!

hhtee
11-07-2007, 11:37 AM
Be careful, you flers are bashing the very people whom you hope to help you in times of need.

I strongly believe a few bad apples are spoiling the bunch. So please do not generalize on the bad points when most of the police force is out there rain or shine keeping our neighbourhood safe or risking their lives to arrest the crooks

I agree kwchang. But let's assume that after the end of this poll, (opps. which is about 300 over more days), that we see that loads of people have no confidence in the police. Then, let's say somebody does a different kind of information gathering and found that loads of police are bad apples and only a minority are good apples. What should we do?

I want solutions too. I don't want us Malaysians to live with bad apples just because they are in the position that enforces law.

Of course, if the opposite happens i.e. there are loads of good apples and minority of bad apples, I would be happy.

But right now, I have not seen any reports that can compare what is the ratio between good and bad apples.

Most of the time, I have the impression that there are more bad apples over good ones. Perhaps the press could do something about this e.g. to report on good cops too e.g. the apprehension of Ying Ying's supposedly murderers.

UNtil I see more of good apples, it is very hard for me to have confidence with the police. Even the police needs to be told to drop the "Tidak Tahu" attitute a few days ago. If the police chief gives advice for instance, "all police should improve their knowledge by undergoing Masters of Science in Crime Solving" or something similar, it really makes me happy because it shows that they have already improved and are continuously improving. But on the other hand, when I see, advice like "please drop Tidak Tahu attitute", it shows me one thing and that is, the major of the current police force, don't know much!!! That's why I don't have confidence. ( http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/10/nation/18254082&sec=nation )

orchipalar
11-07-2007, 01:00 PM
Err buddies...it is 1 thing to gather feedbacks from this poll...BUT entirely a different matter when it becomes a PDRM basing thread.

Question is often asked by folks..."Crime is rising...what is the PDRM doing?"

Very often than not...folks don't ask...

"why is crime rising...how to irradicate or curb it?"
"what are the contributing factors...to the rise in crimes"

Very conveniently...folks have these prejudice...perception...n misconception.

"PDRM is to be blamed..."
"PDRM is corrupted..."
"PDRM is not efficient...n ineffective"
"PDRM's resources are limited..."
"PDRM is lazy..."
"I won't want to be a policeman or policewoman...n I certainly won't encourage my children to be one..."
"PDRM are the crooks...themselves..."

Folks forget or they don't or they won't consider...WHAT GIVES RISE TO CRIMES.

"flawed governance of illegal immigrants...n immigration laws"
"BAD governmental policies...n WRONGED priorities"
"Inefficient n outdated justice systems..."
"Rising social ills n economics problems..."
"Poor city n township planning..."
"BAD traffic systems...n lousy driver's attitudes..."
"POOR recruitment...motivation and traning...for PDRM"
"CORRUPTED government..."
"POOR education n degrading mentality of Malaysian citizens..."

n last but not least...as clearly shown in this so call poll n from many opinions gathered so far...

Many folks in this forum are apparently...NOT confident with PDRM.

firefox
11-07-2007, 01:09 PM
How the hell to have confidence with the police now even the IGP is being investigated for Corruption, and our sleepy head can even extend his service!!! ridiculous man. As i said before Malaysia stinks.

orchipalar
11-07-2007, 01:25 PM
Err buddies...just 3 minutes ago...a forumer called Orchi to tip this off.

A lady in her 40s was slashed in a snatch theft/robbery committed by 2 dark skinned men on a cubchai...at USJ 4/1J...in front of the victims' home...at 09:30am this morning...

This case is said to have been reported to the nearest Police station...n attempt is underway to check n authenticate this tip off.

The forumer lives near to the victim's house...n her action to tip this off...is commendable...to seek cooperations from Police n neighbours...n likewise alert other members of the public...to be on high alert at all times.

When these suspects or other suspicious characters are spotted lurking around your neighbourhood on a motorbike...or on foot...PLEASE ALERT n provide any additional informations(like license plate numbers...color of attires or helmets...type n color of motorbike used) to THE NEAREST POLICE STATION...which would be very very useful for the Police enforcement efforts.

Ahem BUT instead...just TALKING blindly in this forum...won't make the criminals or crimes disappear...

USJ27Resident
11-07-2007, 02:32 PM
How the hell to have confidence with the police now even the IGP is being investigated for Corruption,....
All over the news and radio today... wanted to post the same comments but you beat me to it...


Be careful, you flers are bashing the very people whom you hope to help you in times of need.....

Bashing?.. How is it a poll or opinion be classified as "bashing"... and when people relate their (negative) "experiences" with the police, it is classified as "bashing"...

Open your newspapers for the next few weeks, and you see the UTK policemen on trial for the murder, ... switch on the radio and you hear the ACA is to investigate the IGP for criminal and corruption... what next...

So tell me... if opinions start to open up negative views and experiences, are we supposed to turn the other way and just ignore these views?? And mebbe hope that the next time one need help, a good and honest cop will be on the way to help...

GreyShadow
11-07-2007, 02:38 PM
Be careful, you flers are bashing the very people whom you hope to help you in times of need.

I strongly believe a few bad apples are spoiling the bunch. So please do not generalize on the bad points when most of the police force is out there rain or shine keeping our neighbourhood safe or risking their lives to arrest the crooks
Chang, your statement about a few bad apples are spoiling a bunch maybe it's true a decades ago.
But sorry to say now I think it's another way round: a bunch of bad apples are spoiling a few.

Comparing all of cops we have encountered, what's the percentage of the good cop and bad cops? Among all of the one I've personally encountered, I'll say it's only 2 out of 10 are good cops. There's even a personal experience that a Corporal asked me want him help to "kautim" my traffic summons or not, right in a room full of his colleagues, right in a balai polis, and I'm sure the whole room can hear the whole conversation also.

And also they are there rain or shine to help us? yeah right!!!
Whenever it started to rain during peak hours, how many time you see a cop controlling the traffic during the time we needed them the most? I even personally seen a traffic police putting on a rain coat at a heavily congested junction when it started to rain lightly. Instead of stay put to ease the traffic congestion he just cabut like that!! And guess what? I was stuck at the same location for 1/2 hour before I can move an inch!

hhtee
11-07-2007, 02:49 PM
everyone have their own opinion and that's good. Bring it all up and discuss. But, for me, I am now interested to see if anyone have confidence in the police force.

As to the ratio of good apples to bad apples, I believe it is a much more complicated research compared to my question.

Perhaps some university students out there or those who are gonna pursue their university degree could make use of my results here and go more into detail to determine the ratio of good to bad apples.

The research would need some sort of proper "measurement". My poll here will not tell you the ratio of good to bad apples but merely give an indication of people's confidence on the police. (Err... of course some people may have two or more accounts and they may vote more than once). and of course there is some sort of biasness in this polling system in the sense that those who are computer illiterate will not have the opportunity to vote

geordie
11-07-2007, 03:50 PM
Not meaning to say that the men in uniform are all rotten apples ...

Just last Sunday, I was told by my regular cabbie that 2 days before that (on Friday), his daughter and her friend were accosted by a bunch of thugs as they were leaving their tution centre somewhere in Setapak. Four homie-looking guys who masqueraded as police officers and they asked the two 15 year olds to produce their identity cards (which they did not carry). The thugs insisted the girls follow them into the Kancil to "go to the police station". They blocked the staircase back up to the tuition centre and refused to allow the girls to leave the spot they were standing unless they get into their car.

To cut the long story short, my cabbie's daughter's friend managed to call her dad who rushed to the scene. He told the thugs that they would drive together to the police station which was just a street away and meet them there. Of course, no show from the thugs.

This bloke went into the station to lodge a report (he's got the thugs' car number plate). However, he was told that he should lodge a report at the Sentul police station instead. Off he went and according to my cabbie, the inspector at that station has his, ummm, girlfriend a-visiting and made it clear that he was less than pleased to have his romancing session interrupted and to have to deal with such a 'trivial' issue.

This was almost a child abduction case and could be a lot worse. And to think that the civil servants just had a healthy pay rise !!!

hhtee
11-07-2007, 04:50 PM
Not meaning to say that the men in uniform are all rotten apples ...

Just last Sunday, I was told by my regular cabbie that 2 days before that (on Friday), his daughter and her friend were accosted by a bunch of thugs as they were leaving their tution centre somewhere in Setapak. Four homie-looking guys who masqueraded as police officers and they asked the two 15 year olds to produce their identity cards (which they did not carry). The thugs insisted the girls follow them into the Kancil to "go to the police station". They blocked the staircase back up to the tuition centre and refused to allow the girls to leave the spot they were standing unless they get into their car.

To cut the long story short, my cabbie's daughter's friend managed to call her dad who rushed to the scene. He told the thugs that they would drive together to the police station which was just a street away and meet them there. Of course, no show from the thugs.

This bloke went into the station to lodge a report (he's got the thugs' car number plate). However, he was told that he should lodge a report at the Sentul police station instead. Off he went and according to my cabbie, the inspector at that station has his, ummm, girlfriend a-visiting and made it clear that he was less than pleased to have his romancing session interrupted and to have to deal with such a 'trivial' issue.

This was almost a child abduction case and could be a lot worse. And to think that the civil servants just had a healthy pay rise !!!

I advise you to lodge a complain to www.rmp.gov.my . I don't know if it helps. I always pray that it helps.

hhtee
11-07-2007, 05:07 PM
Err buddies...just 3 minutes ago...a forumer called Orchi to tip this off.

A lady in her 40s was slashed in a snatch theft/robbery committed by 2 dark skinned men on a cubchai...at USJ 4/1J...in front of the victims' home...at 09:30am this morning...

This case is said to have been reported to the nearest Police station...n attempt is underway to check n authenticate this tip off.

The forumer lives near to the victim's house...n her action to tip this off...is commendable...to seek cooperations from Police n neighbours...n likewise alert other members of the public...to be on high alert at all times.

When these suspects or other suspicious characters are spotted lurking around your neighbourhood on a motorbike...or on foot...PLEASE ALERT n provide any additional informations(like license plate numbers...color of attires or helmets...type n color of motorbike used) to THE NEAREST POLICE STATION...which would be very very useful for the Police enforcement efforts.

Ahem BUT instead...just TALKING blindly in this forum...won't make the criminals or crimes disappear...

Well, guys, please read this news.

A HOUSEWIFE was robbed of RM10,000 in front of her house in USJ1, Subang Jaya, on Monday.
( http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News/mm/Wednesday/Hotnews/20070711140722/Article/index_html )

just becareful as this is in Subang

penangkia
12-07-2007, 12:26 PM
The Star Today.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/12/nation/18283352&sec=nation

(Quote) "The team of policemen who arrested Abdul Razak Baginda on Nov. 7 last year were all served breakfast by the political analyst". ( Unquote)

Hehe. :D Was it something like this? :D

Policemen: Don't move...Hands behind your back...We are here to arrest you on charges of abetting others in a murder case. Anything you say or do can and will be used against you in a court of law. :mad:

Suspect: Can have breakfast, first ah? Come lar, join me. ..mari, mari.. minum kopi, minum kopi ;)

Policemen: No lar...malu....err....OK lah...errr kopi O...kurang manis, susu . Pass the goreng pisang please. Ooh...ini best lah. :cool:

After breakfast.

Suspect: Sekarang, You handcuff I ? :eek:

Policeman: Ooh tak apaaaa...you nice fellow, tak violent samore...no need lahh. Just hold my hands and walk with me sudah..OK? :cool:



Yea man...we can certainly trust our very friendly mata mata. :p :p

hhtee
12-07-2007, 03:13 PM
The Star Today.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/12/nation/18283352&sec=nation

(Quote) "The team of policemen who arrested Abdul Razak Baginda on Nov. 7 last year were all served breakfast by the political analyst". ( Unquote)



Or worst!

Meanwhile, while having breakfast, a computer expert under the employment of the suspect tip-toed to the suspect's room. While the suspect entertains the police officers who were SUPPOSED to grab the computer for investigation, the computer expert started removing any traces of evidence which may help the police in their investigation.

hhtee
12-07-2007, 04:24 PM
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/12/nation/20070712161845&sec=nation

"Policeman in charge of courts charged with corruption"

USJ27Resident
12-07-2007, 09:40 PM
A HOUSEWIFE was robbed of RM10,000 in front of her house in USJ1, Subang Jaya, on Monday.
( http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News/mm/Wednesday/Hotnews/20070711140722/Article/index_html )

just becareful as this is in Subang

Just out of curiosity....
1) how the heck did the robbers know she had withdrawn so much cash from the bank? Were there spotters in the bank... or was she displaying the cash in full view to "tayang" the cash... eh?
2) And why on earth is she carrying 10k ALONE... Never heard of bankers drafts or cheques...

hhtee
12-07-2007, 11:32 PM
Just out of curiosity....
1) how the heck did the robbers know she had withdrawn so much cash from the bank? Were there spotters in the bank... or was she displaying the cash in full view to "tayang" the cash... eh?
2) And why on earth is she carrying 10k ALONE... Never heard of bankers drafts or cheques...

I believe there are spotters in the bank. one of my friends was counting her money drawn from her bank. guess what? the robbers tailed her to her office. fortunately, they did not manage to get her money or harm her because her car door was lock.

firefox
13-07-2007, 03:32 PM
Ppl who flaunt their money and wealth usually are the easy victims I suppose.

penangkia
13-07-2007, 08:44 PM
Are you folks following this ??

http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/corridors.php?itemid=6423

hhtee
17-07-2007, 03:20 PM
Are you folks following this ??

Penangkia's URL

Wow. an eye opener to me it is. Mob bosses ! Penangkia. I wonder if you would be hauled up and detained under OSA for putting that URL. LOL. To be on the safe side, I removed the URL.

Anyways, if you are hauled up in Dang Wangi, I will gather outside the police station for you. I hope the rest does the same :)

Raikonen
18-07-2007, 08:15 AM
Confidence? This probably sums it all up.


Porsche stolen again

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/18/nation/18335212&sec=nation

"The RM963,000 sports car that was stolen from a showroom here yesterday was stolen again this time from right under the noses of the police....The thief stole the Porsche 911 Targa 4 from the compound of the police headquarters here at 10.45pm yesterday."

hhtee
18-07-2007, 08:49 AM
Confidence? This probably sums it all up.


Porsche stolen again

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/18/nation/18335212&sec=nation

"The RM963,000 sports car that was stolen from a showroom here yesterday was stolen again this time from right under the noses of the police....The thief stole the Porsche 911 Targa 4 from the compound of the police headquarters here at 10.45pm yesterday."

Do you have confidence on the saleswoman in the Porsche showroom in guarding the Porsche? No.

Is it ok? OK lah because she is just a sales person and guarding and playing police and thief is not her cup of tea. Can forgive her if she lose the Porsche.

Do you have confidence on police to guard a Porsche in their police station? Err...... how to answer ?

hhtee
18-07-2007, 08:58 AM
Dear folks, for the sake of certain PEOPLE, , I have decided to write this short manual below. :D

Chapter 1.
Introduction
This manual is to teach "PEOPLE" how to deal with retrieved stolen cars.

Chapter 2
Definition of Car
A car is a rectangular shaped object with four wheels. It is expensive. It can go very fast. It needs a key to start. You also need a car battery to start the car. To manuever, you use the steering. You also need to shift gears so the car can move forward / backwards.

Chapter 3
Definition of Stolen
When a car is in one's possession and it's taken away, it's called stolen

Chapter 4
Checks
Firstly, when you managed to retrieve the stolen car, check if the car was stolen by using car keys. If yes, then most probably the thief does not know how to hot wire. If no, please wait for my second edition of manual. If yes, then do you have the keys? If you do have the keys, most probably the thief can not re-steal the car. If no, please read Chapter 5

Chapter 5
Protecting a Retrieved Stolen Car
If you managed to retrieve a stolen car and the car keys are still with the thief and the thief is still at large, most probably the car would be stolen again. Think very hard now how the car works. The car needs a battery. Remove the battery. Also, there is a possibility that the thief would bring in an additional battery. But by you removing the battery, it would take a longer time to steal the car. You could lock the battery cables. Also, buy a gear and steering lock so that this Porsche doesn't get stolen AGAIN in the police station. :D

Alternatively, instead of locking up the car and what not. Protect the area where the car is kept. A guard could be placed at the entrance. If you have access to guns, guard the property with guns!!

Chapter 6
Conclusion
By following the above simple steps, you would save yourselves from the embarassment that a car was stolen from your "PROPERTY"!

penangkia
18-07-2007, 10:08 AM
In this case, the thief even made the cops pay for the petrol....ie taxpayers money.
Hehehe.....The thugs have come up with a very innovative operation cost reduction initiative.

Where are you Ripley?? :p

hhtee
18-07-2007, 10:12 AM
In this case, the thief even made the cops pay for the petrol....ie taxpayers money.
Hehehe.....The thugs have come up with a very innovative operation cost reduction initiative.

Where are you Ripley?? :p
DID THE POLICE PUT A SMART-TAG IN THE CAR AS WELL ? :eek: :D

hhtee
18-07-2007, 10:16 AM
In this case, the thief even made the cops pay for the petrol....ie taxpayers money.
Hehehe.....The thugs have come up with a very innovative operation cost reduction initiative.

Where are you Ripley?? :p
Penangkia. you are not in penang are you ?

If you are, perhaps when you are free, you could help those cops in Bukit Mertajam to regain their dignity. You help them lah. You help them and advise them how to retain a retrieved stolen car. :D

firefox
18-07-2007, 10:41 AM
Our police force is a laughing stock..how to trust them with your life?

penangkia
18-07-2007, 10:51 AM
If the cops recover the Porche...they will be smarter and more careful this time. They will have 4 mata mata with sub. machine guns aiming at the car just in case it try to escape. :D :D :D

firefox
18-07-2007, 10:57 AM
Are you sure they will find the car this time?..i doubt it.

penangkia
18-07-2007, 11:12 AM
Are you sure they will find the car this time?..i doubt it.

I said "if" not "when" .

I doubt it too.

hhtee
18-07-2007, 11:49 AM
IF the cops find the car, they also better make sure it is not a knight rider i.e. a car that can drive itself :D

hhtee
18-07-2007, 11:51 AM
OK. Jokes aside, I really feel that the cops must do something to prove themselves and to bring back their dignity. Everyday, we read news of negative aspects on the cop. This is really bad.

Even Sirgalahad2010 started a thread on a very similar incident where 2 handbag snatchers escaped 4 policemen! ( http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=19008 )

birdy
19-07-2007, 05:56 AM
IF the cops find the car, they also better make sure it is not a knight rider i.e. a car that can drive itself :D
Or maybe Transformers have came to Malaysia - knowning that Malaysian need helps to resolve on the political issues....... :D

hhtee
19-07-2007, 09:20 AM
Or maybe Transformers have came to Malaysia - knowning that Malaysian need helps to resolve on the political issues....... :D

yeah. Those fellas may just blame it that the car transformed and escaped just to keep their jobs :D

Chia Hak Soon
19-07-2007, 10:46 AM
Latest : Yesterday I was waiting to play golf and a police patrol car came to the Golf bag drop area and drop his boss and the golf bag.

My question is " Can he even as a senior cop use a police car with a driver to drop him in the golf club at 5pm.? " What message does that send to other civil servants. Shouldn't the police car be rounding the housing scheme for better security?.

Just because he wants to play golf, an officer got to use his police car and it no wonder the crime rate is high. So folks take care of yourselves, as the seniors are busy teeing off.

MOYSC
19-07-2007, 11:07 AM
Very conveniently...folks have these prejudice...perception...n misconception.

"PDRM is to be blamed..."
"PDRM is corrupted..."
"PDRM is not efficient...n ineffective"
"PDRM's resources are limited..."
"PDRM is lazy..."
"I won't want to be a policeman or policewoman...n I certainly won't encourage my children to be one..."
"PDRM are the crooks...themselves..."

Folks forget or they don't or they won't consider...WHAT GIVES RISE TO CRIMES.

"flawed governance of illegal immigrants...n immigration laws"
"BAD governmental policies...n WRONGED priorities"
"Inefficient n outdated justice systems..."
"Rising social ills n economics problems..."
"Poor city n township planning..."
"BAD traffic systems...n lousy driver's attitudes..."
"POOR recruitment...motivation and traning...for PDRM"
"CORRUPTED government..."
"POOR education n degrading mentality of Malaysian citizens..."

n last but not least...as clearly shown in this so call poll n from many opinions gathered so far...

Many folks in this forum are apparently...NOT confident with PDRM.

Whether it was prejudice, misconception or perception, if we had already encountered before, it will be a FACT! Its not just some bad apples but a whole lot of them....However, I do agree that 'THE' system is faulty.

Nevertheless, don't forget that some of you folks out there have kindly donated patrol vehicles to the police force here. Do make the best out of it.

hhtee
19-07-2007, 11:26 AM
Latest : Yesterday I was waiting to play golf and a police patrol car came to the Golf bag drop area and drop his boss and the golf bag.

My question is " Can he even as a senior cop use a police car with a driver to drop him in the golf club at 5pm.? " What message does that send to other civil servants. Shouldn't the police car be rounding the housing scheme for better security?.

Just because he wants to play golf, an officer got to use his police car and it no wonder the crime rate is high. So folks take care of yourselves, as the seniors are busy teeing off.

so you play golf! But I don't. Anyways, there was a big hoo haa when some Firemen held some sort of function and the made use of the Fire Engines. My point is, using government vehicles for unofficial businesses is incorrect. That's why for the firemen's case, the newspapers wrote a report on it.

However, for the policeman playing golf case that you mentioned, it's very difficult to say whether he is using it for official purposes. He could argue that there is an official function at 1800. whatever function it was, I do not know. My point is, it's difficult to say whether he was on official or unofficial business.

hhtee
19-07-2007, 12:50 PM
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/National/20070719080542/Article/index_html

The owners of the Porsche have taken the car back from the police station

penangkia
19-07-2007, 12:54 PM
Latest : Yesterday I was waiting to play golf and a police patrol car came to the Golf bag drop area and drop his boss and the golf bag.

My question is " Can he even as a senior cop use a police car with a driver to drop him in the golf club at 5pm.? " What message does that send to other civil servants.


He's probably going for his "handicap" test. Most gomen servants already got theirs...so no problems lar... :D :D

hhtee
19-07-2007, 04:10 PM
Latest : Yesterday I was waiting to play golf and a police patrol car came to the Golf bag drop area and drop his boss and the golf bag.

My question is " Can he even as a senior cop use a police car with a driver to drop him in the golf club at 5pm.? " What message does that send to other civil servants. Shouldn't the police car be rounding the housing scheme for better security?.

Just because he wants to play golf, an officer got to use his police car and it no wonder the crime rate is high. So folks take care of yourselves, as the seniors are busy teeing off.

Let's see.....
Some 120 senior police officers in the Johor state were patrolling the streets together with their lower-ranking colleagues. (July 18 The Star). It would be good if the officer you saw gave some opinions or help out in solving the Johor crime!

Chia Hak Soon
19-07-2007, 04:28 PM
There wasn't any official function at all. His colleagues are seen waiting for him and arguing over the handicap before the game.

By the way have any of you golfers come across a lightning shelter turned into a Surau. I can cannot compute, as I have seen them stoping during Azan Ishak time to pray before continuing the game.

It ocurred to us one day during a heavy shower and lightning bolting that we have to take shelter and only to find that there are praying matts on the shelter. There was a sign which reads, this shelter is for prayer. What is going on ?

hhtee
19-07-2007, 05:00 PM
There wasn't any official function at all. His colleagues are seen waiting for him and arguing over the handicap before the game.

By the way have any of you golfers come across a lightning shelter turned into a Surau. I can cannot compute, as I have seen them stoping during Azan Ishak time to pray before continuing the game.

It ocurred to us one day during a heavy shower and lightning bolting that we have to take shelter and only to find that there are praying matts on the shelter. There was a sign which reads, this shelter is for prayer. What is going on ?

are you sure you read the sign properly ? Could it be a drop of rain was in your eye that time ? could the sign be "This Shelter is for Player". :D

Ok. jokes aside. I don't know much about golf but I remember that some golfers got killed or something like that because there was no lightning shelter. I think the management cannot simply change the usage. If it is for lightning shelter, then it is for lightning shelter.

OPPS.... sorry for changing topic .......

orchipalar
22-07-2007, 01:29 AM
Err...probably these 8 freaking suspected hardcore criminals... (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/7/21/nation/18368473&sec=nation)...n more of other notorious criminals...whom are high on the Police wanted list...would be walking freely on the streets anywhere...if NOT for the good policing works by many in the PDRM...

Quite sadly n obviously since the start of this thread...many here are blind to the very fact that...dozens of successful operations n arrests are being carried out by many in the Police force at the relevant Police precincts nationwide...daily.

The media hardly ever prints or broadcasts in details how many criminal cases are being solved n brought to justice each day...

For the similar fact...this forum in here...hardly ever see anyone else with trigger happy fingers who would published any of such favorable news or informations of happenings about the good works from the PDRM...n neither has anyone else been seen often praising any good efforts or works by the PDRM.

On the contrary...n clearly more often than not...almost every crimes(whether hideous or NOT) reported in the media...are brought to the attentions of the forumers...by quite many in here.

Many of them are even deaf...or oblivion to the fact...that many in the Police force are up against unfavorable n painstaking elements...regularly exposing their own lives on the line in danger...whist carrying out their tasks n duty to get rid of more n more of hardcore criminals from terrorizing more innocent parties.

Last but NOT least...many of these folks are doing exactly just that...while hoping...what pittance that they would earn...they could put a roof over their homes...n food on the tables...for their families...too.

Err...the truth n reality are out there...n whether enough of the Police bashing or NOT...it is really up to you folks to think or say what you like...whilst you are in here right now...or in the comfort of your own homes...or on the streets out there...to realize that further biased accusations...n condemnations of the PDRM...would NOT do you...or others...any good at all.

orchipalar
22-07-2007, 02:02 AM
Nevertheless, don't forget that some of you folks out there have kindly donated patrol vehicles to the police force here. Do make the best out of it.Err Nina dear...how could Orchi...n those others that you have addressed...ever forget that?

Ahem...to begin with...you were very doubtful of those initiatives.

Orchi just prays...you are NOT n don't mean to implicate Orchi or any of those...in any incriminating intention or manner of yours...in here having anything to do with this thread.

USJ27Resident
22-07-2007, 02:05 AM
Quite sadly n obviously since the start of this thread...many here are blind to the very fact that...dozens of successful operations n arrests are being carried out by many in the Police force at the relevant Police precincts nationwide...daily.

Err...the truth n reality are out there...n whether enough of the Police bashing or NOT...it is really up to you folks to think or say what you like...whilst you are in here right now...or in the comfort of your own homes...or on the streets out there...to realize that further biased accusations...n condemnations of the PDRM...would NOT do you...or others...any good at all.

Orchi... I can understand your sentiments. You have worked hard with the cops to try and make Subang and USJ a safer place... yet there are also also cops here and elsewhere that simply couldn't care less what people think and still makes the force look bad... how? why? I have no answers. The Altantuya case now tops everything else about the police. The defendants, the DPP, the witnesses, the bosses, the forensics, all police personnel... Imagine if her remains was not found or if there were no witnesses... would it have another close file case?

Most of us would love to see the IGP stand up, clarify about the triads connections. Arrest the people that tarnish his image but 'strangely' his only action was a statement in the newpapers that the allegations are "not true!".

I am sure most of us here, if not all - would support and look to a professional and dedicated police force that we can respect and trust. There is always hope that things can only get better. Mebbe i will meet up with you this coming TT session to smoke peace pipe on police matters...

take care buddy.

hhtee
22-07-2007, 09:56 AM
Quite sadly n obviously since the start of this thread...many here are blind to the very fact that...dozens of successful operations n arrests are being carried out by many in the Police force at the relevant Police precincts nationwide...daily.

The media hardly ever prints or broadcasts in details how many criminal cases are being solved n brought to justice each day...

orchi in one of my previous postings, I did mention that it is always negativity that's brought up in the press. maybe the police should approach the press n ask them to have a fairer pubcation. I m sure police have publicity manager. whenever there is a solved case, the polis should inform the press.

all these are not adequately done! that's why I m seeking the public's opinion. with this results, then pdrm should do something to improve the public's perception on them.

let me give another example. there's so much publicity about police & also lucky n flo catching the dvd pirates. but I do believe that there is even more number of times I see pirate sellers (ok this is not totally polis's work But isn't pornography under them?). there is so much publicity on catching those exceeding speed limit but the number of times we see traffic offenders is just too many.

MAGICboy
22-07-2007, 12:10 PM
I tink police must better, we kritik them they must accept, why we hide the true and like mengampu them?? they must take action so we can be safe ALLWAYS! ok we no do wrong thing we no tiok saman but they also must be true so we are proud of our malaysia police! now they change we hope the best but not yet change so we talk discuss. No problem is it? this is forum lah, not mengampu allways.

Sorry my english bad. I also frust see so many case like woman tiok bomb, the porche also can steal 2 time with police guard! Pengsan.

hhtee
22-07-2007, 09:14 PM
I believe MagicBoy's "Women Tiok Bomb" is referring to the Altantuya, Mongolian lady.

It's ok MagicBoy. You admitted that your English is bad BUT you have the courage to write here. I salute you. :)

kwchang
23-07-2007, 12:53 AM
Friendly reminder to be fair with your comments. Once your comments generalise and blast the Police force just because of one bad incident you heard, I will take action on you. Please check your facts before you make comments as if some bad actions are everyday events in the Police force.

In SJ/USJ, we maintain a very good relationship with the Police. We appreciate the fact that they are doing their best and I am very sure the top management in the Police feels very comfortable here due to many successful diaglogs and events with the residents.

Some of our residents are working very hard to establish good working relationships with the Police for the benefit of the community at large. The results are there for you to see - that is if you wish to see. At every opportune diaglog with the residents, the Police come in full force to face the community. They do so because they are confident of our support. We will not let people with slanted views destroy this good relationships we are fostering.

Chia Hak Soon
23-07-2007, 11:30 AM
The preceptions of forumners on the police, good or bad light is inevitable.When I was a kid, a police man (in shorts ,old uniform ) presence send chills into your body. Prehaps, those days ,there are more discipline and highly respected and cases of abuse or corruption are not reported as widely as now.

It would be unthinkable to discuss about the police force, but today with the electronic media and the western moviies like CSI, Maimi vice etc, we tend to think that we have the right under the United Nation Charter of Human Rights to demand our right , forgeting that we have our own Constitutions.

With today's generation, even the father and son's rights are being challenged, a taboo in those days. A few bad apples and example it may be, but there are one too many and to make matter worse, our MPs and Ministers are seen openly declaring bad light on racial and religious issues on the media.

It could only meant that , our leader is not firm and the same goes to the police force today. What are we and where are we heading? Me thinks , it is survival time and a good advice, better watch National Geographic's - Man against Wild., we may need it.

hhtee
23-07-2007, 02:56 PM
When I was a kid, a police man (in shorts ,old uniform ) presence send chills into your body.
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Bugger! I couldn't agree with you more. When I was a kid, I was a bad thief. I was bad because I got caught by my parents. My parents couldn't take it anymore and they threaten to send me to the police station. Their threat would be, we will send you to the police station to eat Curry Rice :D (I was afraid of spicy food but now, I love curry rice :D )

firefox
27-07-2007, 12:55 PM
Are you guys following the Altantuya's case.You want to have a good laugh go ahead and read todays papers, how the police are conducting themselves in the court..just like court jesters..very embrassing lah!

hhtee
21-08-2007, 08:47 PM
This is really bad!! Mat Rempits now Beat Up Policemen! :( http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News/mm/Monday/Frontpage/20070820090903/Article/index_html

bslee
21-08-2007, 08:55 PM
This is really bad!! Mat Rempits now Beat Up Policemen! :( http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News/mm/Monday/Frontpage/20070820090903/Article/index_html

Don't worry, it'll be the reverse when they're caught!..Best part is when that happens its very likely the aggressors would get away with it..NFA! :D

firefox
22-08-2007, 01:43 PM
i think its already established that we dont have confidence with the police so need to harp anymore abt them..it wont change matters.

bslee
22-08-2007, 02:23 PM
i think its already established that we dont have confidence with the police so need to harp anymore abt them..it wont change matters.

For the sake of discussion, all the spins and hoo-haa at various sources we could have been hearing and perhaps poisoned?
The fact remains, however good or bad they are, WE NEED THEM PERPETUALLY..no 2 ways, no if's or but's and no doubt!. They've ultimately helped in keeping the peace since colonial times. The government is THE ONLY ONE who can overhaul them...what else can we mere mortals do, except change the government..moreover a more difficult task!.