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FreeThinker
25-06-2007, 03:03 PM
Hello,

First of all, do not get me wrong - this thread is not communal in esssence.

I recently (maybe 2 weeks ago) read in the newspaper that the residents in Putra Height protest to the local government for allowing a 4D shop to be opened in this township. The resident association president claims that 90% of the residents in this town are muslims including the kampungs resident.

Can anyone living in this town clarify? I actually have my eye on one of the garden houses in this town to be launched by Sime UEP soon. It's not cheap actually, starting from RM338k, I think. Biggest investment for me if I do invest in this unit. I would not want to live in a garden with majority of population consists of muslims, but with a mixture of Malaysians, if possible.

The reason is because I would like my children to be enrolled in a Mandarin based primary school. So with 90% Muslim, I do not think the local authority will build one just to cater for the other 10% of the population right? More so when most of the local Authoriy are of the overzealous type in Malaysia nowadays.

Why mandarin you might ask. Well, when the Brits, the Americans and some of the European communities start to teach the language as second language or at least in par with Spanish, German, etc., you could not help but notice that Mandarin is getting more and more global. Even Indonesia now allows its citizen to study Mandarin. So automatically as a responsible parent, we would want our children to be competitive.

I hope the Putra Heights residents could give me some feedback.

sarawakian
25-06-2007, 03:50 PM
Yup, I saw the article too...I find it weird as one uses religion to dictate the reason for not having some trade....hmmm...why can't they use moral values instead of religion? sigh...enough said. Anyways, this is waht I believe, the houses there are in a great location. We also know that this area is a good mix of malaysians and no such predominance occurs well, not until such percentage. I am sure that a Chinese school is a must. We do not have enough. Chee Wen and Lick Hung are already crowded. I also hope that there is a temple for hindus, buddhists as well as a church for christians as I am sure there would be a mosque there. There should also be a shopping centre there as well as a good crux of eateries and enough parking areas. There should also be a Bomba there as well as a hospital.

So, I think this is a great area to live...I got a property there and would move in next year..so I hope the dumb allegation of 90% is unfounded! :)

lord
25-06-2007, 04:01 PM
errr... I have a friend who sold his property after finding about the 90% thingy. I too hope the allegations are dumbfounded, but it turns out to be true. And your wishes, sarawakian are all hopes and wishes. And they will remain as fat hopes. Look at Shah Alam.

sarawakian
25-06-2007, 04:08 PM
i really hope so...and I find our country kinda weird now...all this talk bout religious this, religious that...why can't they say, moral this, moral that and instead talk bout more religion.

Ya...I know shah alam...but I am confident the statement is untrue....if it was, the bumi quota would have been snapped up for all houses there...I got my bumi one with a choice number...ya...they think all bumis are muslims..

Anyway, I hope the issues will be done anyways....unless we want oppressed feelings to be flung out violently, I fear say that anyone can get angry and do stupid things if pushed too far not only a section... :eek:

JoeJaffar
25-06-2007, 04:42 PM
from my casual observations, there seems to be almost equal numbers of malay and chinese in the area.

Kiwi
25-06-2007, 04:57 PM
Dear FreeThinker,

If not mistaken, two and the only two new Chinese primary schools will be built under the Ninth Malaysia Plan (9MP). They are 1)SJK (C) Tun Tan Siew Sin in Putra Heights, Selangor, and 2)SJK (C) Kulai (2) in Johor.

Don't worry, be happy. :D

FreeThinker
26-06-2007, 11:48 AM
Dear FreeThinker,

If not mistaken, two and the only two new Chinese primary schools will be built under the Ninth Malaysia Plan (9MP). They are 1)SJK (C) Tun Tan Siew Sin in Putra Heights, Selangor, and 2)SJK (C) Kulai (2) in Johor.

Don't worry, be happy. :D

Are you sure about it? As far as I know, the deputy Education Minister already stated in the Parliment that 'Jenis' kebangsaan schools are not in 9MP. In fact, 'Jenis' kebangsaan schools are reduced if you compare the number of schools in 1957 to the numbers now. So it is impossible Kerismudin will allocate new 'Jenis' kebangsaan schools for you and me.

Oh ya, I remember. The one in Kulai is a relocation and the one in Putra Heights you mentioned is a Wawasan school. So really, only one new mandarin based school is allocated. Wawasan school means all management still under control of Head of all three schools, i.e. the Head of Sekolah Kebangsaan. I have no experience in wawasan school, but the feedback I got from those who had experienced it tells me that it is different from the 'Jenis' kebangsaan school. Anyone care to comment?

I think I will have to keep my present house in USJ in order to enrol in a mandarin-based primary school (I hate to call it Chinese school because that would mean it is only for the chinese and it is racist, which is obviously not the case), if I were to invest in the one in Putra Heights. You know, just in case. But then if that's the case, I would not be able to afford it. Hmm.....tough call.

saml
26-06-2007, 12:50 PM
I thought those places are out of bounds for muslims so it should not be an issue as only non muslims can patronise them. Maybe on on the main road but in the side roads should be ok

sarawakian
26-06-2007, 01:04 PM
Apamacam kawan? what are you talking about la?


I thought those places are out of bounds for muslims so it should not be an issue as only non muslims can patronise them. Maybe on on the main road but in the side roads should be ok

Raikonen
26-06-2007, 01:36 PM
I thought those places are out of bounds for muslims so it should not be an issue as only non muslims can patronise them. Maybe on on the main road but in the side roads should be ok

What u meant maybe is NOT on the main roads but in the side road less visible and more secluded? Well I dun subscribe to this kinda scenario. 4D shops are also commercial concerns paying tons of tax...why should they being treated like pariah? The last i heard msia still secular state. If the muslims are against this, just dun go in and buy. There are clear signages inside the shop specifically saying that muslims are not allowed but still we have muslims buying toto numbers? Who can we blame then? The Toto operator?? :rolleyes: It's so hypocritical to blame others for one's shortcomings

pepsi
26-06-2007, 01:47 PM
Apamacam kawan? what are you talking about la?
I think he is talking abt the 4D shops ????

pepsi
26-06-2007, 01:48 PM
What u meant maybe is NOT on the main roads but in the side road less visible and more secluded? Well I dun subscribe to this kinda scenario. 4D shops are also commercial concerns paying tons of tax...why should they being treated like pariah? The last i heard msia still secular state. If the muslims are against this, just dun go in and buy. There are clear signages inside the shop specifically saying that muslims are not allowed but still we have muslims buying toto numbers? Who can we blame then? The Toto operator?? :rolleyes: It's so hypocritical to blame others for one's shortcomings
Wherever they are located, everyone patronises them...I mean everyone except for those who don't gamble ? :D
Money won thru 4D compared to money received from bribe and corruption. Which is worst ? :eek:

Kiwi
26-06-2007, 01:52 PM
Are you sure about it? As far as I know, the deputy Education Minister already stated in the Parliment that 'Jenis' kebangsaan schools are not in 9MP. In fact, 'Jenis' kebangsaan schools are reduced if you compare the number of schools in 1957 to the numbers now. So it is impossible Kerismudin will allocate new 'Jenis' kebangsaan schools for you and me.

Please check:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/9/28/nation/15566405&sec=nation

However, I agree with you that you should keep your house in USJ, at-least Chee Wen and Lick Hung is already here. "Thing" just can be changed over night in our Bolehland as long as the "thing" still not yet seen, right? :(

ksj_cool
26-06-2007, 02:02 PM
From what I know, it is definitely not 90%, it could me more like 60:40. The rental is affordable so many have moved in there.

sarawakian
26-06-2007, 02:11 PM
Aiseh, what's the big issue...u either don't gamble or gamble....I think being of a religion or not, this is not the case... I think, by saying that a religion says the reason for this, is not right. So that means that other religions do such things come on lah...like I said, saylah moral issue...not religion only lah..

Anyway,,,so oink oink cannot sell also lah? :)

pepsi
26-06-2007, 02:22 PM
Aiseh, what's the big issue...u either don't gamble or gamble....I think being of a religion or not, this is not the case... I think, by saying that a religion says the reason for this, is not right. So that means that other religions do such things come on lah...like I said, saylah moral issue...not religion only lah..

Anyway,,,so oink oink cannot sell also lah? :)
Ha...ha...do you see oink oink being sold openly or in most wet markets ?

firefox
26-06-2007, 02:45 PM
In my view i do support the ppl of Putra Heights not wanting gambling oulets in their town..not only it gives a bad image it also discourages gambling, it causes traffic jams and other related vices.

lord
26-06-2007, 02:53 PM
In my view i do support the ppl of Putra Heights not wanting gambling oulets in their town..not only it gives a bad image it also discourages gambling, it causes traffic jams and other related vices.

Excellent perspective, firefox. Shall we also apply the same principle for cars, food, animals, underwears....!!!! Where is the right to freedom, man?!!

firefox
26-06-2007, 02:57 PM
Excellent perspective, firefox. Shall we also apply the same principle for cars, food, animals, underwears....!!!! Where is the right to freedom, man?!!

True, but thats your opinion and i see it differently.

pepsi
26-06-2007, 03:07 PM
Personally, I feel that 4D, 3+1 and ToTo are getting a bit out of hand, in terms of the draw frequency. It's really too much and too frequent. I know we have the freedom of choice to buy or not to buy, but the temptation is just to irresistible . It's like" if I buy today only but don't buy on Saturday, number first prize on Saturday, how ???personal experience
:D
Imagine, buying from all 3 gaming companies, and special draw days...
Authorities should seriously consider reducing the draw days to twice a week ?

Eastern Citizen
26-06-2007, 03:21 PM
............The one in Kulai is a relocation and the one in Putra Heights you mentioned is a Wawasan school. So really, only one new mandarin based school is allocated. Wawasan school means all management still under control of Head of all three schools, i.e. the Head of Sekolah Kebangsaan............
Izzit? I thought that they rotate the overall control between the 3 Heads. For example, the Wawasan School in USJ, the Tamil medium Head was in charge last year and this year, it is the Mandarin medium Head that is in charge....... No meh?

wsl
26-06-2007, 03:36 PM
Has anyone send their kids to the chinese school in the Sekolah Wawasan in USJ? I am blur about the concept and the school looks empty whenever i pass by. Probably I pass by during non-school days. Is there any criteria to register your children in Chee Wen? I am considering where to register my son for school.

Sugarfree
26-06-2007, 05:10 PM
I know we have the freedom of choice to buy or not to buy, but the temptation is just to irresistible. It's all in the mind. Control your mind, don't let it control you. Say no and stick to it. For me, so far so good. :D

sarawakian
26-06-2007, 05:12 PM
Any idea what the school concept actually is? Please let me know.... :)

DarReNz
26-06-2007, 05:20 PM
gonna move there next year too ....

pepsi
26-06-2007, 07:22 PM
It's all in the mind. Control your mind, don't let it control you. Say no and stick to it. For me, so far so good. :D
Ha...ha...control alrite. When number come out, swearing like mad..... :D
Sorry...won't change topic after this last input

Sugarfree
26-06-2007, 07:23 PM
Ha...ha...control alrite. When number come out, swearing like mad..... :D
Sorry...won't change topic after this last inputhahaha...don't think of any numbers lor... :D

pepsi
26-06-2007, 08:42 PM
hahaha...don't think of any numbers lor... :D
I meant what I said and I said what I meant. :D
4558. :D
How much does a double storey house in Putra Heights cost ?
The build up and the developer?
Looking for a great location with reasonable price.
By the way, where is Putra Heights ?

shearmagic
26-06-2007, 09:07 PM
Hi,

Based on PH residents feedback in the putraheights forum, it appears that PH has a mix of the various races. One forummer mentioned the Chinese:Malay:Indian/Others is to a 5:4:1 ratio respectively. The PH community believes this is a healthy mix.

If you guys are PutraHeights residents/future residents, you can join the PH forums at http://www.putraheights.com

Similar thread created in the forums at:
http://www.putraheights.com/forums/index.php?topic=391.0
(this thread is only visible after member have posted at least once)

Location Map of PH can be found at:
http://www.putraheights.com/forums/index.php?board=7.0

House prices vary from 200k+ up to 700k+. Many PutraHeights residents were formerly USJ residents that have upgraded to bigger houses in PH.

New 24X75 houses (Sapphire) in PH is already starting at 380k++, with 22X75 (Ruby) starting at 350k++. Many houses available from subsale and can be obtained for less that the prices of the new launches. Many queries from prospective buyers in the forums. More layout and details in the forums if anyone is interested.

And no, I don't work for Sime, and am not a real estate agent.

pucman
26-06-2007, 09:39 PM
Freethinker

I suggest you invest in puchong puteri instead. It is extremely difficult to have a chinese primary school even in a chinese dominated area such as USJ/SJ. :(

Puchong puteri is an upmarket area although there may not be a chinese school there at present but there is a new chinese school nearby in puchong jaya soon ! :D

What are the chances of a malay dominated area having a chinese school ? :rolleyes: Almost zero !

sabre23t
26-06-2007, 10:37 PM
What are the chances of a malay dominated area having a chinese school ? :rolleyes: Almost zero !
Mmm ... My Taman Gembira Klang is going to have one. Construction already up to 4 storeys. It'll be the new place for the Chinese school near Simpang Empat, Teluk Pulai. I believe this area is Malay majority. :)

USJ27Resident
26-06-2007, 10:45 PM
The last i heard msia still secular state....

...depends on who is said what on why and when... then ask How?

... and the the next day ... "oi, the media n press misquoted me... "

... lame! :rolleyes:

to me - secular is as 'circular' as it can be... becos' the majority race would tell you so...

mooneysuzuki
27-06-2007, 05:30 PM
So 90% Muslims in Putra Heights huh? THERE GOES THE NEIGHBOURHOOD!!!

I don't understand what's the big deal about a 4D shop. It's already haram for the muslims to gamble right? So the resident head by saying that just means that he doesn't trust his fellow muslims to control themselves la...

What kinda logic is this?

I just hope and pray that Muslims will have the self confidence in their own people sometimes.

kwchang
27-06-2007, 05:42 PM
So 90% Muslims in Putra Heights huh? THERE GOES THE NEIGHBOURHOOD!!!..What kind of statement is that? May I categorize it a racist? Knowing what goes thru Malaysian minds, it is racist. Not good for community development. This is a community website, by the way.

pepsi
27-06-2007, 11:26 PM
Hi,

Based on PH residents feedback in the putraheights forum, it appears that PH has a mix of the various races. One forummer mentioned the Chinese:Malay:Indian/Others is to a 5:4:1 ratio respectively. The PH community believes this is a healthy mix.

If you guys are PutraHeights residents/future residents, you can join the PH forums at http://www.putraheights.com

Similar thread created in the forums at:
http://www.putraheights.com/forums/index.php?topic=391.0
(this thread is only visible after member have posted at least once)

Location Map of PH can be found at:
http://www.putraheights.com/forums/index.php?board=7.0

House prices vary from 200k+ up to 700k+. Many PutraHeights residents were formerly USJ residents that have upgraded to bigger houses in PH.

New 24X75 houses (Sapphire) in PH is already starting at 380k++, with 22X75 (Ruby) starting at 350k++. Many houses available from subsale and can be obtained for less that the prices of the new launches. Many queries from prospective buyers in the forums. More layout and details in the forums if anyone is interested.

And no, I don't work for Sime, and am not a real estate agent.
What about transportation ? Any future plans for LRT and how's the traffic ?
Is it convenient to get to work at Lebuh Ampang ?

shearmagic
27-06-2007, 11:28 PM
The 90% majority is obviously not true in Putra Heights. Putra Heights residents are happy that the township consists of mixed races and religions. The malays, chinese, indians in the PH forums are actually happy that the township consist of a healthy mix and we hope it will stay that way.

Since this is a community website, I hope people will not condone racist remarks here. It certainly isn't healthy for the community.

JoeJaffar
28-06-2007, 08:08 AM
What about transportation ? Any future plans for LRT and how's the traffic ?
Is it convenient to get to work at Lebuh Ampang ?

based on the proposed alignment for the putraline extension, there's a proposal for a LRT station in USJ24.

traffic wise, it's still ok. there are various options that you can use to get to KL: Elite+NKVE, LDP, KESAS, local roads.

Eastern Citizen
28-06-2007, 09:50 AM
So 90% Muslims in Putra Heights huh? THERE GOES THE NEIGHBOURHOOD!!!
Like shearmagic, I too would like to go on record to say that the quoted statement above is offensive.

FreeThinker
28-06-2007, 10:49 AM
So 90% Muslims in Putra Heights huh? THERE GOES THE NEIGHBOURHOOD!!!

I don't understand what's the big deal about a 4D shop. It's already haram for the muslims to gamble right? So the resident head by saying that just means that he doesn't trust his fellow muslims to control themselves la...

What kinda logic is this?

I just hope and pray that Muslims will have the self confidence in their own people sometimes.


Although I agree with most of your arguments, I do not like the words in capital letters. It does not sound right, man. We live in a multi-cultural country, in a multi-cultural ASEAN, in a multi-cultural Asia and last but not least in a multi-cultural world, for goodness sake.

What is wrong with muslims majority township? I mean there are many non-muslims majority township as well in the urban area. You have the right to choose not to live there if you like, that's your freedom, just like I am considering now, but certainly, it gives you no right to condemn our compatriot based on religion.

There are maybe 10% of the population who are overzealous Umnoputra, but certainly the other 40% ordinary folks do not deserve your statement.

Though I agree with you that from my observation, muslims in Malaysia are getting more and more conservative and trying to mimic their Middle Eastern counterpart in terms of the way they do in order to preserve their religion. From my observation, and I stress that it is only my observation, in Malaysia's Islam, the religion is not only between God and oneself, but it is amongst God, Guardian and oneself. That's the big difference between Islam and other religion in Malaysia. That's my opinion.

OK, I digressed already from the topic. But I would like to stress again that I only raise this issue because it was reported in the mainstream media and that I have an interest in the township. Nothing more.

So please be mindful of your words in this thread.

FreeThinker
28-06-2007, 11:06 AM
traffic wise, it's still ok. there are various options that you can use to get to KL: Elite+NKVE, LDP, KESAS, local roads.

I know of New Putra Elite interchange, Persiaran Harmoni to Puchong/USJ, and the road to Proton/Shah Alam only. Can we get to Putra Heights from KESAS?

Anyone has a map which shows all these entrance/exit to Putra Heights?

Raikonen
28-06-2007, 11:17 AM
So 90% Muslims in Putra Heights huh? THERE GOES THE NEIGHBOURHOOD!!!

Not sure what u mean but it does sound not very nice. One question one has to ponder, what it is persistently occuring in the above context and not other race/religion, i.e. chinese, christians, buddhist etc

JoeJaffar
28-06-2007, 01:22 PM
I know of New Putra Elite interchange, Persiaran Harmoni to Puchong/USJ, and the road to Proton/Shah Alam only. Can we get to Putra Heights from KESAS?

Anyone has a map which shows all these entrance/exit to Putra Heights?

Technically you can, but it's not a direct link up like Elite and LDP. You can take the Hicom exit from KESAS and head in the direction of Proton/Puchong or the Seafield interchange between KESAS and Elite and exit at the USJ interchange. Both ways will lead you to the Putra Heights entrance facing Projet/Tanamera.

sabre23t
28-06-2007, 01:47 PM
Anyone has a map which shows all these entrance/exit to Putra Heights?
I'll give you not one, but three online maps, while we wait for Google Maps to get their act together for our side of the world ...
* http://www.multimap.com/maps/#t=l&map=3.00913,101.58112&7C15&7C4 - labels the area as Putra Indah.
* http://www.streetdirectory.com/malaysia/kl/travel.php?grande=1&x=786517.7214&y=332835.8675&level=4
* http://www.geothrottle.com/ search for "putra heights"
... tell me which one you prefer, as a first time user. :cool:

sarawakian
28-06-2007, 05:22 PM
Hey...anyone knows what's wrong with www.putraheights.com?

I can't get in. :)