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krcsb
23-06-2007, 07:35 AM
1 Let's do some simple calculations here.
In Malaysia , the average family income is RM3,000 /month (where father works, mother doesn't).
I understand there are many families whose monthly income does not reach RM3,000, but, to make things simple, let's take
RM3,000 as the figure. Ok lah, right?
Okay, let's start rolling with a family which has Papa, Mama, 1 daughter and 1 son. Ngam-ngam Calculation starts...
Electricity and waterbill: RM100
(No air-con, No home theatre, No water heater ... ok?)
Phone bill (Telekom): RM100
Meals for a happy family: RM775
(3 meals on RM25/day, RM25 for 4 persons...?)
Papa makan / teh-tarik during working hrs: RM155
(RM5/day, RM5 ... can eat what?)
Car repayment: RM400
(A proton saga aeroback, 7 yrs repayment)
Petrol (living in city, traffic-jam): RM300
(go to work, bring son to school, only can afford one car running)
Insurance: RM650
(kids, wife and myself)

krcsb
23-06-2007, 07:42 AM
House repayment: RM750
(low cost housing repayment for 30 yrs, retired still have to work to pay!)
Tuition: RM80
(got that cheap meh? i don't think so)
Older children pocket money @ school: RM20 (RM1/day, eat bread?)
School fees: RM30
(enough ah?)
School books and etc: RM100
(always got extra to pay in school)
Younger children milk powder: RM50
(cannot have the DHA, BHA, PHA one, expensive)

krcsb
23-06-2007, 07:43 AM
Miscellaneous: RM100
(shampoo, rice, sauce, toilet paper)
Oh wait!!! I have to stop here, so...
No Astro, no movie @ cinema,
no DVD, no CD, no online, cannot KFC, cannot McDonald, cannot go Park walk during weekend (petrol expensive), no chit chat on phone with grandparents, and etc...
Let's use a calculator to total up... WALAO EH! ****! RM3,610 already...
EPF belum potong, income tax lagi........oledi RM3,610 ...
How to survive lah tuan-tuan dan puan-puan sekalian???
Our Deputy Prime Minister asked us to change lifestyle?

krcsb
23-06-2007, 07:44 AM
How to change? Don't eat? Don't work? Don't send children to school and study?
Besides that, I believe in Malaysia population, there are millions of rakyat Malaysia which still don't earn RM3,000/month!!!
What is this? Inilah Malaysia Boleh... Sorry... it should be Malaysians Boleh , because we're still alive and kicking!! Our politicians must be mad!!!!
Please forward and comment boleh or tak boleh. No wonder so many Ah
Loongs around..

krcsb
23-06-2007, 07:49 AM
Guy.......
How about you all..........
Awak BOLEH or Malaysia BOLEH or BO ada LEH...........

krcsb
23-06-2007, 03:24 PM
Can a family man with Salary RM3,000

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Guy.......
How about you all..........
Awak BOLEH or Malaysia BOLEH or BO ada LEH...........

Sugarfree
23-06-2007, 03:31 PM
But make no mistake, we are still making more than our counterparts in Ghana! :p

wsp
23-06-2007, 03:49 PM
grow your own ubi kayu, papaya, and lady fingers..
car pool with neighbours..
teach your kids to use public transport..
be a food caterer, sell your home cooking to your neighbourhood..
give tuitions to your own kids
[can't think of anything better..]

PeterLee
23-06-2007, 06:07 PM
Most govt servant in Kumpulan C do not earn that amount.
Only alternative is moonlighting, by hook or crook try to get some extra cash.

Most common are direct selling and selling insurance, unit trust.
For those having some power, making use of that ........

GreenBug
23-06-2007, 06:48 PM
...So folks, vote wisely the next General Election. Don't be easily intimidated by the hints of a keris or a recurrence of the May 13 incident...

( Admin note - post was edited to remove most of the political statements )

patwon
23-06-2007, 07:14 PM
malaysia graduates are underpaid,average about USD500 PER MONTH for fresh graduates,no wonder the parents have to come out with extra money to subsidy their precious ones.It is better to work overseas to get better pay .

krcsb
23-06-2007, 08:48 PM
You are right also.....
Better we jump aeroplane like titanic you jump i jump

kwchang
24-06-2007, 12:00 AM
Some of you obviously have short memories - I did say I will take action if anyone changes the discussion of any thread to politics.

USJ27Resident
24-06-2007, 12:52 AM
Can a family man [added: survive] with Salary RM3,000
...........

well... question is can or not?

it all depends - if you earn 3,000 ringgit a month and have expenses in excess of 3,000 ringgit a month... then you cannot survive-la. *end-game*

most family men would want to give the best for their families, but it all comes to making decisions on what gets on top of the priority list. A 'toyota" would definately get booted out of the list in favor of a cheaper (mebbe 2nd hand!) car because of budget... or the kids would have to forgo tuition (mom does the teaching and guiding @ home, perhaps)

one can earn 30,000 a month too... and that oso might NOT be enough because well, if the lifestyle dictates that expenses would be 35,000 - then the fella is gonna be in deficit account.

bottom line, income - expense = balanced budget.

GreenBug
24-06-2007, 01:06 AM
Some of you obviously have short memories - I did say I will take action if anyone changes the discussion of any thread to politics.

C'mon Chang, all I wrote was for the folks to remember to vote wisely in the next General Election. I also added on the effect of inflation due to wasteful spending of the previous and current governments, itu pun tak bolehkah? :mad:

bugbear
24-06-2007, 02:27 AM
You know what krcsb. I think you make a mistake when you calculate here. You assume that this family is a robot who does not know how to calculate. Do you think the papa of this family will commit for house repayment, car repayment and insurance payment when he is only earning RM3000? What you state above is not the reality. The reality will show that the family will be trifty in their spending and this will show in their lifestyle. I also see that spending RM775 is way too high for your calculation.
The reality will be different on the ground.

wAISEKMAo
24-06-2007, 02:49 AM
Seriously, if I am you I will probably get my wife to work (probably add another rm 1000 - rm1500 or so), buy every groceries from supermarket and have a home cook food everyday (probably rm500 per month) and probably change the insurans policy to "accident" for wife and kids ( probably life for yourself lar). Now you are putting rm650 for your insurans, assuming your wife/son are rm150, assuming you have life for rm500; the premium is like rm450,000 ?

I really think there are areas you can improve if you really want to do it.
So stop whinning and do something about it.

pepsi
24-06-2007, 09:36 PM
Seriously, if I am you I will probably get my wife to work (probably add another rm 1000 - rm1500 or so), buy every groceries from supermarket and have a home cook food everyday (probably rm500 per month) and probably change the insurans policy to "accident" for wife and kids ( probably life for yourself lar). Now you are putting rm650 for your insurans, assuming your wife/son are rm150, assuming you have life for rm500; the premium is like rm450,000 ?

I really think there are areas you can improve if you really want to do it.
So stop whinning and do something about it.
Now buying "accident" insurance is not enough. It must include insurance that covers medical and hospitalization expenses too. In cases, of emergency, when a family member is diagnosed with critical illness. This cost a BOMB, this days.

kwchang
25-06-2007, 12:21 AM
C'mon Chang, all I wrote was for the folks to remember to vote wisely in the next General Election. I also added on the effect of inflation due to wasteful spending of the previous and current governments, itu pun tak bolehkah? :mad: Basically, I have to stop any political side-tracks because someone else will latch onto it and the whole thread gets out of topic. It had happened before and that is why I am doing this.

By the way, most of you are still "answering" to krcsb.
He has been banned for good because he was caught advertising his services elsewhere in another thread. Did you not notice the way he posts ... to pump up his count of posts. He probably thought that people with a large number of posts will be exempt from being noticed when he tries to advertise. Fortunately, greenbug noticed this scam. Thank you Sir.

fabregas
25-06-2007, 12:30 AM
I remembered that my 1st starting salary as an engineer 15 years ago was RM1750/mth. (currently the starting salary is RM2500). About half went to my parents. I had no qualms about that as they raised me up well. But it was a tricky bit of budgeting I had to do. About RM50 went to my room rent, and the rest was for daily expense, EPF. For the 1st 2 years, I used the company bus, or hitched a ride with colleague. It was quite tricky. If I missed the 6pm bus, I had to wait for the 10pm bus (next shift) or hitch a ride with a colleague. Also, some people used to give me funny looks when I said I did not own a car and used the bus. But I enjoyed the bus rides - take a short nap and let the driver worry about the traffic jam. Other than that I admit getting around on foot under the hot sun is a real bummer. I ate breakfast, lunch (overall RM5) at the cafetaria and had dinner at a local food court (RM3 for dinner). During weekends, I take the bus to the shopping mall, window shopped or bought a book. Or I visited friends for a game of mahjong (small time bets), played football, badminton or chit chat. I visited the pub maybe once a few months. I got a car after 2 years - a 2nd hand Nissan Sunny which cost me RM19K using the company loan subsidy (they subsidise part of the interest). I also got a TV after 3 years - my only contact with the outside world was the newspaper and a radio. I never used a credit card until my 4th year on the job. Although my salary level is quite comfortable now, but I am saying we need to change our life style to adapt to each situation to never ever spend more than than the income. Yes, I know its more easily said than done.

Eastern Citizen
25-06-2007, 10:44 AM
Never mind the real intention of the thread starter but this is certainly an interesting topic. First of all, if you were a fresh graduate on RM3,000/= a month, I would have to say that it is certainly a salary not to be sniffed at. Many companies still only start their graduates at between RM1,800/= and RM2,300/=. However, going by the thread title, ie. a family man earning RM3,000/= a month, that is a different matter, especially if there are kids involved. It is tough, make no mistake about it………….. which is why so many government servants including police personnel find it so difficult to make ends meet…………… Now, who do we blame for this? The government? The industrialists? The corporate players? Foreigners? George Soros? (joke lah)

There are no easy answers, which is why even so-called 1st world developed nations also suffer from inflation and other economic woes. After all, part of the reason as to why things are generally so expensive is because the Ringgit is not as strong as other currencies which while not good for us lay people is great for the manufacturers and exporters…………….. The other day, during a financial seminar, the speaker nearly gave all the participants a heart attack because he accidentally said that in his opinion the Ringgit would appreciate to around 2.3x the US Dollar by the 2nd half of next year. You could see all the heads jerking upwards as if in tandem when he said that and really, most of them nearly fell off their chairs. My first thought was great………….. where can I go for a holiday? Anyway, he clarified he meant 3.3x the US Dollar and peace once again reigned at the seminar and I went back to sleep.

Perhaps we can blame some of our economic problems on say, relatively poor money management by previous administrations but is it really all their fault? What about regional conditions? Foreign wars? Financial scandals in a major trading partner? The China effect? If we, say for argument’s sake remove this current government, does the current opposition have any better ideas? Quite frankly, it is a sad state of affairs because I really don’t know what each party’s stand/policy is on the economic and financial administration of the country.

Bottom line is for a family man earning RM3,000 a month is tough but not impossible and you just have to cut your cloth accordingly to what you can afford. As a country, we are not doing so brilliantly but we are not that bad off. As Sugarfree put it, we are still making more than our counterparts in Ghana……….. In any case, look at the number of migrant workers coming here in search of a better life. WE just have to keep working at it I guess.

GreenBug
25-06-2007, 12:28 PM
I remembered that my 1st starting salary as an engineer 15 years ago was RM1750/mth. (currently the starting salary is RM2500). About half went to my parents. I had no qualms about that as they raised me up well. But it was a tricky bit of budgeting I had to do. About RM50 went to my room rent, and the rest was for daily expense, EPF. For the 1st 2 years, I used the company bus, or hitched a ride with colleague. It was quite tricky. If I missed the 6pm bus, I had to wait for the 10pm bus (next shift) or hitch a ride with a colleague. Also, some people used to give me funny looks when I said I did not own a car and used the bus. But I enjoyed the bus rides - take a short nap and let the driver worry about the traffic jam. Other than that I admit getting around on foot under the hot sun is a real bummer. I ate breakfast, lunch (overall RM5) at the cafetaria and had dinner at a local food court (RM3 for dinner). During weekends, I take the bus to the shopping mall, window shopped or bought a book. Or I visited friends for a game of mahjong (small time bets), played football, badminton or chit chat. I visited the pub maybe once a few months. I got a car after 2 years - a 2nd hand Nissan Sunny which cost me RM19K using the company loan subsidy (they subsidise part of the interest). I also got a TV after 3 years - my only contact with the outside world was the newspaper and a radio. I never used a credit card until my 4th year on the job. Although my salary level is quite comfortable now, but I am saying we need to change our life style to adapt to each situation to never ever spend more than than the income. Yes, I know its more easily said than done.

Geez Fabregas, and you engineering guys always get the prettiest girls in campus (besides the medical and dentistry students...) if only those chicks know you are struggling in a RM50 rented room....

For us Biz Administration students, the chicks see us no up lah... But we started driving company-assigned cars and good entertainment from Day 1! :D He who laughs last laughs the best!

fabregas
25-06-2007, 08:44 PM
Geez Fabregas, and you engineering guys always get the prettiest girls in campus (besides the medical and dentistry students...) if only those chicks know you are struggling in a RM50 rented room....

For us Biz Administration students, the chicks see us no up lah... But we started driving company-assigned cars and good entertainment from Day 1! :D He who laughs last laughs the best!

Yes, I know. I really let my gang down. For a time, my colleagues including the girls at the work thought I must be "loaded" because I lived so "frugally" :)

fRaNkY
26-06-2007, 11:44 AM
I am curious. How my Malay colleague feed 6 teenage school going kids with about RM3000 ;p

penangkia
26-06-2007, 03:46 PM
I am curious. How my Malay colleague feed 6 teenage school going kids with about RM3000 ;p

Easy....plain nasi lemak, kangkong and some ikan bilis...and no Nokia mobiles...quite healthy actually.

When I was working in China, my Chinese collegue who went through the madness of the Cultural Revolution as a kid, told me they ate only 1-2 meals of plain rice per day and occasionally, 3 brothers will share 1 (ONE) egg. Piano lessons are on hold of course. :o
Today, he's a manager of an MNC in China, good looking, plum and quite healthy.

The point I am trying to make is that people are very resilient and most will somehow adjust to circumstances and make do with whatever is available barring extreme situations.

How many of us grew up having the kind of life style our kids are having now?
I dare say not many...but were we less happy and healthy children ???

sinleong
26-06-2007, 10:17 PM
i know many people who earn much less than RM3k a month who need to support wife and kids. sometimes more than 4 kids. don't have car la... use motor or bus. but not all of them are unhappy. in fact, there was one guy i knew who was a technician in telekom, earning only about RM2k a month. he still managed to send his son to australia to study. how? been saving a little here and there, all these years and then sold his car and remortgaged his house. cos for chinese it's hard to get scholarship ma... so start saving money when the baby is born.
there are many ways to save. you budget RM25 for food per day. actually you can just make do with RM5 or RM10 a day. not more... i've been through that before. no luxuries, sometimes without some essentials.. but not sad or complaining.

sinleong
26-06-2007, 10:29 PM
I remembered that my 1st starting salary as an engineer 15 years ago was RM1750/mth. (currently the starting salary is RM2500). About half went to my parents. I had no qualms about that as they raised me up well. But it was a tricky bit of budgeting I had to do. About RM50 went to my room rent, and the rest was for daily expense, EPF. For the 1st 2 years, I used the company bus, or hitched a ride with colleague. It was quite tricky. If I missed the 6pm bus, I had to wait for the 10pm bus (next shift) or hitch a ride with a colleague. Also, some people used to give me funny looks when I said I did not own a car and used the bus. But I enjoyed the bus rides - take a short nap and let the driver worry about the traffic jam. Other than that I admit getting around on foot under the hot sun is a real bummer. I ate breakfast, lunch (overall RM5) at the cafetaria and had dinner at a local food court (RM3 for dinner). During weekends, I take the bus to the shopping mall, window shopped or bought a book. Or I visited friends for a game of mahjong (small time bets), played football, badminton or chit chat. I visited the pub maybe once a few months. I got a car after 2 years - a 2nd hand Nissan Sunny which cost me RM19K using the company loan subsidy (they subsidise part of the interest). I also got a TV after 3 years - my only contact with the outside world was the newspaper and a radio. I never used a credit card until my 4th year on the job. Although my salary level is quite comfortable now, but I am saying we need to change our life style to adapt to each situation to never ever spend more than than the income. Yes, I know its more easily said than done.

not all engineers are getting RM2500 starting salary. depending on which line of engineering you are in, i think engineers or fresh graduates of even any other profession are much worse off today. your starting salary 15 years ago was RM1750. that time, everything was cheap. you can buy a 2nd hand nissan sunny for RM19k and a link house in subang jaya then was below RM100k.

i don't think fresh grads are getting any much more than RM2000 per month. i know accountants who are not in the BIG4 are drawing between RM1200 to RM1700 per month. but as you know now, cars cost a lot more and for RM100k, you probably just be able to get a small apartment or flat.

orchipalar
26-06-2007, 10:37 PM
...for chinese it's hard to get scholarship ma...

i've been through that before. no luxuries, sometimes without some essentials.. but not sad or complaining.Err buddy...yalor...look at Orchi...no Asstro...no own cardi...no own cell phones...no own MV or AV gadgets...no own PC...no more new washing/dryer/machine...or no more new furnitures...or either new TV...no owen...no new rice cooker...no new blender...no new toaster...now new refrigerator...n no new air-conditioner.

...n no radio at home also.

Little Orchis...got no PowerStations...no new PowerRangers...no new Ultramen...not even got any other new toys...no watches...n no cell phones.

Hoping to save enough...to send at least one of them...to University or at the least...a college education also can kua.

What to do? now too late to change religious status in NRIC liaw.

USJ27Resident
26-06-2007, 10:48 PM
I am curious. How my Malay colleague feed 6 teenage school going kids with about RM3000 ;p

err... possibly... with biasiswa, biasiswa,biasiswa,biasiswa,biasiswa,biasiswa... (is that six...!)

jack12
27-06-2007, 08:21 PM
Good management, I believe.


I am curious. How my Malay colleague feed 6 teenage school going kids with about RM3000 ;p

fabregas
27-06-2007, 10:39 PM
not all engineers are getting RM2500 starting salary. depending on which line of engineering you are in, i think engineers or fresh graduates of even any other profession are much worse off today. your starting salary 15 years ago was RM1750. that time, everything was cheap. you can buy a 2nd hand nissan sunny for RM19k and a link house in subang jaya then was below RM100k.

i don't think fresh grads are getting any much more than RM2000 per month. i know accountants who are not in the BIG4 are drawing between RM1200 to RM1700 per month. but as you know now, cars cost a lot more and for RM100k, you probably just be able to get a small apartment or flat.

Yes, RM1750 starting salary was quite good then. I remember asking around. But I was effectively on RM700 for the 1st 2 or 3 years. (read my post again).

I admit I am not up to date on starting salaries now, but I was told by my company HR that RM2500 is the market rate. If you have 1st class honours, its RM2800, If you have a Masters - RM3000 and if you have a doctorate(engineering), RM4500.

Factory operators salary has not changed much - RM500 vs RM400 15 years ago. Some old timers who have been with the company for 30 years earn about RM1500/mth. If they jump to another company, the new factory will probably NOT recognise their work experience and they have to start at the bottom again. Some of them give up as the baby sitting cost becomes higher. Or they take extra jobs selling kuih, sewing dresses, work in fast food chains. I have the utmost respect for some of them , as they really slog to make ends meet.

Recently, factories have adapted the concept of flexibility and will only hire temporary factory operators. Soon they might have temporary engineers :)

great
28-06-2007, 02:57 AM
For me a student,don't have any salary,each month spend
Electricity and waterbill: RM150+
Phone bill (Telekom): RM50+
Internet:RM50+
Makan:RM600+
Transportation(No car):RM50+
Rental house:300+
Others:300+

great
28-06-2007, 03:37 AM
Yes, RM1750 starting salary was quite good then. I remember asking around. But I was effectively on RM700 for the 1st 2 or 3 years. (read my post again).

I admit I am not up to date on starting salaries now, but I was told by my company HR that RM2500 is the market rate. If you have 1st class honours, its RM2800, If you have a Masters - RM3000 and if you have a doctorate(engineering), RM4500.

Factory operators salary has not changed much - RM500 vs RM400 15 years ago. Some old timers who have been with the company for 30 years earn about RM1500/mth. If they jump to another company, the new factory will probably NOT recognise their work experience and they have to start at the bottom again. Some of them give up as the baby sitting cost becomes higher. Or they take extra jobs selling kuih, sewing dresses, work in fast food chains. I have the utmost respect for some of them , as they really slog to make ends meet.

Recently, factories have adapted the concept of flexibility and will only hire temporary factory operators. Soon they might have temporary engineers :)


o enginer salary like that, I'm a engineering student,I'm concern on engineering salary,which filed engineering have nice future? How to improve self-ability?How to get a good result?how to get more experience?

great
28-06-2007, 03:38 AM
Easy....plain nasi lemak, kangkong and some ikan bilis...and no Nokia mobiles...quite healthy actually.

When I was working in China, my Chinese collegue who went through the madness of the Cultural Revolution as a kid, told me they ate only 1-2 meals of plain rice per day and occasionally, 3 brothers will share 1 (ONE) egg. Piano lessons are on hold of course. :o
Today, he's a manager of an MNC in China, good looking, plum and quite healthy.

The point I am trying to make is that people are very resilient and most will somehow adjust to circumstances and make do with whatever is available barring extreme situations.

How many of us grew up having the kind of life style our kids are having now?
I dare say not many...but were we less happy and healthy children ???


u working in China which company?how about salary in China?

penangkia
28-06-2007, 11:53 AM
u working in China which company?how about salary in China?

Salaries for expats in China vary just like anywhere else. Company/profession/position/location all count.

great
28-06-2007, 05:45 PM
Salaries for expats in China vary just like anywhere else. Company/profession/position/location all count.


how about working in China,I heard it's so hard to find job,undergraduate jobless is so high,so many universities student when they graduate,they become jobless.

GreenBug
28-06-2007, 05:54 PM
how about working in China,I heard it's so hard to find job,undergraduate jobless is so high,so many universities student when they graduate,they become jobless.

I have just returned (last December) from a one-year stint in Shanghai. Great place to be if you are on an expat package for a MNC. Otherwise, it's a tough challenge because there are not just thousands, probably millions, vying for your job so it is highly unlikely you get a work permit.

Weather is cold and dry further up north, including Shanghai, but if you're in Kunming, its beautiful, 20 deg C whole year round, sunshine too, and its the floral capital of China, flowers everywhere!

great
28-06-2007, 06:13 PM
I have just returned (last December) from a one-year stint in Shanghai. Great place to be if you are on an expat package for a MNC. Otherwise, it's a tough challenge because there are not just thousands, probably millions, vying for your job so it is highly unlikely you get a work permit.

Weather is cold and dry further up north, including Shanghai, but if you're in Kunming, its beautiful, 20 deg C whole year round, sunshine too, and its the floral capital of China, flowers everywhere!

MNC stands for wat? I know a challenge working in Shanghai,very stressful.

The weather for me is not a problem,M'sia so hot, I wanna to move a cold place.

penangkia
28-06-2007, 06:20 PM
how about working in China,I heard it's so hard to find job,undergraduate jobless is so high,so many universities student when they graduate,they become jobless.

It's better you get relocated there by your company or headhunted to go to China. Going there to find a job is not a good option...as what Greenbug indicated.

We are getting out of topic....PM me if you want to know more about working in the Middle Kingdom. :)

btw...MNC is Multi National Co.

fabregas
28-06-2007, 08:54 PM
o enginer salary like that, I'm a engineering student,I'm concern on engineering salary,which filed engineering have nice future? How to improve self-ability?How to get a good result?how to get more experience?

I think Computer engineering/IT is in demand. Civil engineering is great when there is a consruction boom (like just before the 1998 Commonwealth Games in KL), pay is excellent but when the boom is over, civil engineers find it difficult to get work.
Well study hard, get good exam results, improve your english, and really love what you are doing.

layman
28-06-2007, 10:01 PM
I have just returned (last December) from a one-year stint in Shanghai. Great place to be if you are on an expat package for a MNC. Otherwise, it's a tough challenge because there are not just thousands, probably millions, vying for your job so it is highly unlikely you get a work permit.

Weather is cold and dry further up north, including Shanghai, but if you're in Kunming, its beautiful, 20 deg C whole year round, sunshine too, and its the floral capital of China, flowers everywhere!

in shanghai-the financial and commercial hub in jiangnam there are still job opportunities for expatriates.in kunming a 2nd tier chinese city,i am afraid that such plum jobs are just not the norm.

shanghai is consider a part of southern china,the winters are mild and summers scorching hot.during the communist era,winter heating is only available for certain time of the year albiet for a brief period

in other words shanghai is and was never part of the 'cold' north.winters is a good time to visit jiangnam temperatures around 5-10 even on its coldest day

great
29-06-2007, 03:29 AM
I think Computer engineering/IT is in demand. Civil engineering is great when there is a consruction boom (like just before the 1998 Commonwealth Games in KL), pay is excellent but when the boom is over, civil engineers find it difficult to get work.
Well study hard, get good exam results, improve your english, and really love what you are doing.


Ths,my major is civil engineering,I don't know about this filed future.the conslutant&contractor still hard for choice.

I'm trying hard on my study,now my result is just pass,and also my english and bm is a problem.

great
29-06-2007, 03:47 AM
Shanghai a morden city in east asia,the financial and commercial hub will take over Hongkong soon,as China big and strong ecnomic growth.more and more opportunities

The music Shanghaitang http://youtube.com/watch?v=c6Bx_YveDYk
are so popular for all over world chinese,some Hongkong senior citizen are so admaire living style in Old Shanghai that's why we can see so many TVB drama plays about that.

Many people set up their dream in Shanghai , China,and also our roots from China,because of strong ecnomic growth,many overseas chinese go to China,dragon will fly,our dream will be achieve.

birdy
29-06-2007, 05:41 AM
Since you are Civil grad... suggest you work locally first... joining small to medium firm to gain as much experience as possible .. then hop into the construction or development Tai-koh...such as YTL, Gamuda, Sime etc.etc ... to climb your corporate ladder. These companies now hv extend their businesses into overseas such as Dubai, Vietnam and etc... So, if you are good ... you will definitely get the opportunity to work in overseas. ;)

great
29-06-2007, 07:22 PM
working hard,get good result,get more knowledge,experence .migrants out fo bolehland asap

patwon
29-06-2007, 07:49 PM
Great do not lose faith in our nation,i hope not because of many negative comments from usj web forum.U just need to work hard and smartwise in your approach than everything will be going okay whether u earn 3k or 30 k.u need to pursue happyness in your life mah.

GreenBug
29-06-2007, 09:25 PM
Ths,my major is civil engineering,I don't know about this filed future.the conslutant&contractor still hard for choice.

I'm trying hard on my study,now my result is just pass,and also my english and bm is a problem.

Funny.... or maybe I have missed something here.... if you're a local Civil Engineering graduate, how come you claim to be poor in English & Bahasa Malaysia? I don't get it, you guys were the creme de la creme of 6th formers to be in Engineering. Even among the engineering faculty, the Civil Engine folks are way above the Mechanical or Electrical chaps?

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great
30-06-2007, 12:34 AM
Funny.... or maybe I have missed something here.... if you're a local Civil Engineering graduate, how come you claim to be poor in English & Bahasa Malaysia? I don't get it, you guys were the creme de la creme of 6th formers to be in Engineering. Even among the engineering faculty, the Civil Engine folks are way above the Mechanical or Electrical chaps?

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I'm studying in SEGi,because I'm from Chinese school,usually convert into native-tone,during acadmic reserch,so many document hard to understand.

fabregas
30-06-2007, 11:03 AM
I'm studying in SEGi,because I'm from Chinese school,usually convert into native-tone,during acadmic reserch,so many document hard to understand.

Hey, Great, don't let the language issue get you down. Keep working hard at it and you will succeed.

kwcheng
12-07-2007, 10:25 AM
Note:
kwchang
Banned krcsb we accept but dont send virus to my CPU it cause i loss my usefull information.I dont know how you can become a USJ e community aministrator banned krcsb without sending a notice and said ...By the way, most of you are still "answering" to krcsb.
He has been banned for good because he was caught advertising his services elsewhere in another thread. Did you not notice the way he posts ... to pump up his count of posts. He probably thought that people with a large number of posts will be exempt from being noticed when he tries to advertise. Fortunately, greenbug noticed this scam. From krcsb

hhtee
12-07-2007, 10:30 AM
Note:
kwchang
Banned krcsb we accept but dont send virus to my CPU it cause i loss my usefull information.I dont know how you can become a USJ e community aministrator banned krcsb without sending a notice and said ...By the way, most of you are still "answering" to krcsb.
He has been banned for good because he was caught advertising his services elsewhere in another thread. Did you not notice the way he posts ... to pump up his count of posts. He probably thought that people with a large number of posts will be exempt from being noticed when he tries to advertise. Fortunately, greenbug noticed this scam. From krcsb

dude! your first posting got my attention!!!!

you already knew kwchang and your name is kwcheng.

hmmmm...... :confused:

what next? kwch@ng, kwchong? kwchAng ?

kwcheng
12-07-2007, 10:44 AM
dude! your first posting got my attention!!!!

you already knew kwchang and your name is kwcheng.

hmmmm...... :confused:

what next? kwch@ng, kwchong? kwchAng ?
no choice have to use the closely name to advertise or inform said that kwchang is not a reasonable people....

chewie
12-07-2007, 11:25 AM
yo... if you did read the forum rules and regulation first, then you would know what you should or should not do in this forum...

i went through your posting history and found out that you been posting the same thing in different thread. Thats call spamming...

stop your attitude here for accusing ppl. we still welcome you if your post is in constructive manner.

layman
12-07-2007, 12:24 PM
Funny.... or maybe I have missed something here.... if you're a local Civil Engineering graduate, how come you claim to be poor in English & Bahasa Malaysia? I don't get it, you guys were the creme de la creme of 6th formers to be in Engineering. Even among the engineering faculty, the Civil Engine folks are way above the Mechanical or Electrical chaps?

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i think the education landscape and dynamics have changed considerably after the 70's and 80's with a proliferation of private colleges and iuniversities
in this country.As a matter of fact,education has become more affordable for middle income families.what was once a not inexpensive exercise to pursue an education in a foreign land has being replace by a cheaper option at home -initially with twinning programmes with the 2nd or 3rd 'tier' universities in the west and lately some premier universities from the antipodian south which are still laggards in world's rankings


i think the best brains particularly the non bumis has not continue their education in state schools for their 'A' levels or STPM other then those from poor families or a smaller no. of students who wish to become docotrs or the allied medical professions.even medical education in a local private uni.is prohibitively expensive for most of the popiulace.contrary to conventional wisdom ,one need not be brilliant academically to be a doctor,what one need is just MONEY.money will buy you a medical degree from most iuniversities in UK even with poor grades or less than average A level results.

back to the issue of declining or poor linguistic skills of engineering graduates in local uni.-this is not unexpected,good grades or straight A's do not translate into improved prowess in the malay or chinese language. the general consensus is that the language standard has decline precipitously and a pale shadow of the 60's or 70's



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uchangeng
12-07-2007, 04:47 PM
In the 1st place, man with RM3000 a month income should not start a family. Especially in big town like USJ..Poor planning....

chewie
12-07-2007, 05:34 PM
to me is not the matter of income, just the matter on how he or she use the money... proper planning will do...

tupai
13-07-2007, 01:50 PM
i know this youngman with 1wife,2 kids (7 & 5yr) doing this and they are smiling and happy and have minimum worries. The typical cost of living
-rent: rm300 (in midcost aprtment in subang mewah)
- food rm600
- elec rm100
- car rm500
- cubchai rm100
-petrol rm350
-insurance rm200
-tax rm40 (yes, he pays rm480/yr income tax!)
The Balance rm810 is carefully planned for occasional kfc/mcD treats for children, monthly swim in 3K, househld purchases and clothing. I find it amazing that this family still manage to save rm100-150 each month in the children's savings account.

I tabik this family.

Yang Ada Budget Overblown lato tupai