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wAISEKMAo
12-06-2007, 11:28 PM
I have countless encounter(mostly in USJ) with lady endangering not only themselves but other driver as well.

Yesterday, a lady pull up to my lane and if I do not brake at times i would have knock her off.

Just now (evening), i saw a lady take next lane slowly while a car moving in. The car horn the lady "kau kau" but i lady pretend nothing happened.

I really find guys driver are most considerate road user.

Ladies, please consider other road user please. Don't even think you are lady, there's a spot where you can move in quickly or whatever. It is no fun when others have to suffer by your action.

hhtee
12-06-2007, 11:59 PM
oh MY !!!

how could you start a thread like this ?

you are gonna get carpet bombing, (especially from women) I think!

TiNKeRFY
13-06-2007, 12:19 AM
well, actually I kinda agree with wAISEKMAo.
but there's also a share from the male driver, but at a much smaller percentage.

Personally, I've got a few encounters today such as:
1. cutting into my lane suddenly without signalling.
2. Driving at 60kph on the fast lane on Federal Highway. Does not give way despite me flashing for 1 whole minute. When i passed her using the middle lane, she stare at me, as though i'm supposed to let her drive as slow as she wants on federal highway.
3. On LDP, driving on the middle of 2nd and 3rd lane. Again, flashing doesn't seem to work. or do they just not understand why we flash the headlights.
4. On Jalan Kepong. Driver in front of me slams the brakes, although distance is about 8-10 metres to the car in front of her. Luckily I do not have the habit of following close from behind.
5. Turns Left from the right lane of a 2 lane road. Again, no signal.
6. Drives at 20kph on the middle of the lane, downhill on SS18/1. No obstruction whatsoever in front.
7. On NPE stretch, exiting to Fed Highway in front of SS18/SS17 to go into SS18, I signalled left to turn left on the next available junction. This lady would match my speed, thus not allowing me to turn. I slow down, she does the same. I speed up, there she is again. So I gave a full rev and just cut her, and she has the nerve to flash her headlights at me and show me the middle finger. (and NO, i did not react to that and went straight home)

IF driver is a guy, I'd give a HONK and you'll expect a "sorry" symbol (at least that's what i assume it to be) but if I honk at a lady, she doesn't bother nor react or simply stares back at you with some rude look.

jtl
13-06-2007, 12:20 AM
I have countless encounter(mostly in USJ) with lady endangering not only themselves but other driver as well.

Yesterday, a lady pull up to my lane and if I do not brake at times i would have knock her off.

Just now (evening), i saw a lady take next lane slowly while a car moving in. The car horn the lady "kau kau" but i lady pretend nothing happened.

I really find guys driver are most considerate road user.

Ladies, please consider other road user please. Don't even think you are lady, there's a spot where you can move in quickly or whatever. It is no fun when others have to suffer by your action.

Excuse me??? Are you saying that all men drivers are considerate? There are a whole lot of INCONSIDERATE and downright RUDE men drivers out there!!!

kokomo
13-06-2007, 12:31 AM
Haha .. I would say women drivers are bad but some men drivers are equally as "good" as them. I would say mostly nerds on the wheels will be in the world of their own. Imagining having the road all to themselves hoggin' the roads, cutting to other lanes without signal & etc.

Teeque
13-06-2007, 01:25 AM
i too tend to agree with waisekmao and tinkerfy, altho not all, but most lady drivers drive their vehicles that way, expecting other road users to allow them leeway just becos they are women drivers. its the real world out there and if u dont drive with care or couldnt care less, accidents can be fatal and u may never live to tell the tale.

and if you all notice, majority of 'P' drivers (or just out of 'P' period) drive that way too, guy or gal, not knowing they are a danger to other motorists. taking the driving course and passing the test is not the end of it all. and once getting the drivers license does not mean/allow u to throw all those lessons and tests out the window and behave like ur a sort of 'king of the road'. everyday on the roads, there are practically new situations to learn and handle and ur Probation period is actually a practical test for u young guys and gals to learn and adapt to everyday driving conditions and adopt good driving habits, not follow bad habits of bad drivers. when i'm on the road, i can actually tell who are the new drivers and experience ones by just their driving. and the 'couldnt care less/tidakapa' attitude ones are likely the kopi-o drivers... :)

irisbaggins
13-06-2007, 02:49 AM
I cant believe this thread is allowed. Such and insult to the ladies. The way this person put it, seems to me he thinks his driving is best among the guys. OH PLEASE!!! :mad: :mad:

kokomo
13-06-2007, 02:58 AM
I've a question here to ask. Which is more dangerous whether to drive recklessly or driving blur and not knowing how to use signal and driving in your own world? Go to the right lane but at the speed of 50-60km/h and obstruct the traffic thus a road hogger causing a long que behind all along federal highway and/or LDP highway. Suddenly just cut out to another lane without realising or looking there is other car coming from behind. Hmmm ... this is the question I always wonder. And also puts to me to frus when someone is doing it. Be it guy or gal ...

Teeque
13-06-2007, 04:44 AM
ahhh kokomo, good question. it depends on whose perspective ur asking - the driver or the other road users. but the thing here is - driving, whether recklessly, in ur own world, sidewinding etc, is not dangerous. a collision is, to the driver and other road users. and thats what defensive driving course teaches u - drive to avoid any accidents at all costs. and drive within ur limits. the hotel chain partygal can attests to that... :D

sulynx
13-06-2007, 07:54 AM
bad drivers are not gender-specific. i have my small share of near accidents with both man and woman drivers. i myself have been guilty of bad driving sometimes.

we have all this brouhaha about aggressive politic views in the forum, yet something as politically incorrect as sexism is allowed in the forum. go figure.

chewie
13-06-2007, 08:57 AM
even guy drivers do hog the road and drive reckless...

hmm.. but what i know of major accidents normally causes by guys ? why must start these type of thread... is it trying to be sexist in here ? come on, dun tell me that your driving skills is so great? i believe you even had cost other road users trouble..

by the way..i am a guy :)

GreyShadow
13-06-2007, 09:21 AM
i had a few chance conversation with few ladies friends before, guess what? all of them doesn't know the meaning of flashing headlights from behind. :rolleyes:
This is what they complain to me, "Aiyo!! you guy drivers are so annoying lar, everytime you guys saw a lady driver on the road in front of you, you'll keep on flashing your headlight!! You are hitting on me issit?" :D

hhtee
13-06-2007, 09:23 AM
In the UK, the insurance premium for ladies are cheaper.

OK OK. We are all living in Malaysia but I dare not be gender specific because I see loads of reckless drivers from both gender. I even seen a baby driving recklessly before. Opps.... better make myself clear :D The baby was sitting on his dad... :D

ginaphan
13-06-2007, 09:24 AM
This kind of discussion is normally started because there is already an existing bias in the person's mind. The bad experience is heightened and remembered because one needs to keep finding justification to the existing bias. If the 'bad driver' was the other gender, you would have just brushed it off as an isolated case of an 'a**hole" on the road.

The danger of this kind of thinking is not the biasness per se. The biasness itself is based on a deeper belief that lady drivers are not human and so they are lumped into this big generic group. All the comments are generalised (and experience will tell you when you generalise, you will always be proven wrong). When men driver do stupid things, it is individualised because the deep seated belief that men are human.

To quantify the argument, check with the insurance companies. I believe they have good statistics on which gender has a worse record. In another country I used to live in, insurance premium for drivers of a particular gender is higher because of these statistics. Some of you may already know which one.

TiNKeRFY
13-06-2007, 09:26 AM
i had a few chance conversation with few ladies friends before, guess what? all of them doesn't know the meaning of flashing headlights from behind. :rolleyes:
This is what they complain to me, "Aiyo!! you guy drivers are so annoying lar, everytime you guys saw a lady driver on the road in front of you, you'll keep on flashing your headlight!! You are hitting on me issit?" :D

ahh... time to talk to some lady friends and confirm this..
and perhaps let them know what to do when someone is flashing headlights at them..
hope i don't meet anymore road hoggers today, be it guys or gals.. :rolleyes:

chewie
13-06-2007, 09:28 AM
yup..Gina..i agree with you...

i even can say at times, my driving sucks and causes some problem to other roadusers...

Eastern Citizen
13-06-2007, 09:33 AM
I must say that I am a bit surprised that a lot more ladies have not charged in here with righteous anger and indignation to give the supporters of this thread's proposition a piece of their mind.............................. :D
On a more serious note, I happen to think that it's ludicrous to suggest that poor driving is gender specific.

hhtee
13-06-2007, 09:33 AM
well, actually I kinda agree with wAISEKMAo.
but there's also a share from the male driver, but at a much smaller percentage.


IF driver is a guy, I'd give a HONK and you'll expect a "sorry" symbol (at least that's what i assume it to be) but if I honk at a lady, she doesn't bother nor react or simply stares back at you with some rude look.

But the title of this thread is "Lady driver - .....". It points specifically to ladies. From my interpretation, it looks as though wAISEKMAo is trying to generalise that ALL women are bad drivers. That's my interpretation.

Your personal experience is appreciated. I too have my share of experience :D

a)
For instnace, I nearly knocked into this guy because he was driving slowly and his car has got no brake lights. I then tried to inform the driver when we were abreast that he should get it repaired. We were both stationary, waiting for the traffic light and I honked at him. He got aggitated and honked back and glared at me, wanting to pick a fight. He was a man.

b)
Another story
I met a lady road bully once. She came down and wanted to pick a fight with me. I refused to fight a lady because ....!@#!%$#@$@$ how can a man fight a lady ? :D anyways, she drove ahead of me and she braked all of a sudden !!! she was hoping that I "BANGED" her behind :D Well, I didn't. I just left her. :D

c)
I was at the Smart Tag toll. The merz in front had something wrong with his Smart Tag. He proceeded to reverse. I was not ready so I honked. The passenger got off. His face was red probably from drinking during the DAY!! he wanted to pick a fight with me. somehow, he went back to the car. (this one is passenger not driver)

these are some of the extreme cases I have encountered.

youngteenguy
13-06-2007, 10:53 AM
yes in other countries you can get a ticket for driving BELOW the speed limit.... so it's actually QUITE dangerous for the other drivers. i've encountered some women drivers myself and i could say they are divided into 2 categories, first is the one that you all seem to have already met: those who drive really slow on the fast lane and do not care to budge when asked to move aside. Second, is those who drive like the devil himself: whereby they speed and take cornering to make Micheal Schumacher look BAd. of the both, i prefer them driving faster hheheheh ;D

Sentinel
13-06-2007, 10:59 AM
Waisekmo, you took the words out of my mouth. Yup, those lady drivers in SJ/USJ are time bombs on wheels! :mad:

jack10dd
13-06-2007, 11:06 AM
Everyone is doing the same thing - be it lady ke men? Sama saja

What discussed here is really no difference in gender.

I see cars coming out as early as 4 am to go out....these are the lucky ones ...less traffic , get easy parking

So sleep early , get up early , hit the road , less traffic jam .....n less hentaming the ladies

JD

Timo
13-06-2007, 11:14 AM
I find that the line between 'politically incorrect -isms' and fact is usually very thin. Are insurance companies sexist for charging men higher premiums than women in countries such as Australia and England? I don't know, but no matter. The fact is that the stats show that women (at least in Australia) make less automobile accident claims. This however, does not make them better drivers.

In my experience at least, I find that there is a generic difference in the way males and females drive. I find that women tend not to use their mirrors as often as they should (hence changing lanes without knowing there is a car behind/not changing lane when a car is behind), and they tend to have this 'digital' throttle/braking mechanism, where they either accelerate or brake, and never 'cruise' - this tends to make them brake very very often, which I find infuriating and dangerous.

Men on the other hand, are technically more capable, however, I find that they are inconsiderate, aggresive, competitive and worst of all, over-confident. They tend to see travelling from A to B as a race, if not against everyone else, then against themselves.

Which one is worse? Both are bad, just bad in different ways.

woody
13-06-2007, 04:00 PM
I find that the line between 'politically incorrect -isms' and fact is usually very thin. Are insurance companies sexist for charging men higher premiums than women in countries such as Australia and England? I don't know, but no matter. The fact is that the stats show that women (at least in Australia) make less automobile accident claims. This however, does not make them better drivers.

In my experience at least, I find that there is a generic difference in the way males and females drive. I find that women tend not to use their mirrors as often as they should (hence changing lanes without knowing there is a car behind/not changing lane when a car is behind), and they tend to have this 'digital' throttle/braking mechanism, where they either accelerate or brake, and never 'cruise' - this tends to make them brake very very often, which I find infuriating and dangerous.

Men on the other hand, are technically more capable, however, I find that they are inconsiderate, aggresive, competitive and worst of all, over-confident. They tend to see travelling from A to B as a race, if not against everyone else, then against themselves.

Which one is worse? Both are bad, just bad in different ways.

I think timo has put this whole thread in perspective. There are bad drivers in both men and women. It is the type of bad driving habits that are more specific to gender.

The OP was stating driving habits that are more prevalent with women drivers but this is insufficient to conclude all women are bad drivers.

The bad men drivers ... must be the testosterone hormone in their blood. Same reason why they are always the perpetrators in sex crimes.

Do have a hypothesis why women driver (at least in USJ) drive like what the OP had stated. Many USJ women are stay-at-home moms and drive daily to shop, do house errands and transport their kids to school and tuition. They normally do this at off peak times when driving is in much less congested situations. So when put in a congested environment, they drive the same way, at a leisurely rate.

One thing I do find in driving USJ2 inner roads, drivers frequently do not stop when arriving at a T-junction or when turning into another road. I have several near-miss head-on and side collisions. Unfortunately, statistically, 100% of these encounters to-date had been with lady drivers. Nowadays, I am very careful when approaching a T-junction or where there is an exit left or right road, even if I have the right of way.

kokomo
13-06-2007, 04:53 PM
Haha .. Timo, you've got a good point.

Nowadays, all I know is, if I don't like to be behind this car I'll just cut out and overtake him and be in front of him or either next lane. Somehow getting stuck in a jam wondering is a lady or a guy who is causing the jam would be our curiousity in our mind. Enough said here, you know your own expression when you know is a lady driver or a guy. Vice versa!

patrick
13-06-2007, 05:50 PM
I think there are equally bad drivers in both genders. The difference is one tends to be blissfully ignorant and the other recklessly ignorant. You decide which is which. But I do notice there tends to be more bad drivers from a certain ethnic race. Of course I am not going to name it here. No bad intent meant....just an observation.

However, something interesting which my wife often blurt out to caution me when I am driving is this... "Careful, careful.... lady driver!" No further comment.

hhtee
13-06-2007, 05:58 PM
maybe all these while we have the impression that men is the better driver due to TV!

It's all physcological (spelling).

since when do you see ladies driving in F1 or whatever car race ? (except for the recent Too Fast Too Furious and our own Malaysian lady drifter).

EVERYONE had been seeing men driving on TV! That always give the impression that men are better drivers. That's my 2 sens.

patrick
13-06-2007, 06:16 PM
Oh...if I may add. I do notice though that there is one group of drivers who tend to be extremely inconsiderate, especially with male drivers in them. Its the MPV, SUV and the 4 WD. Wah...lau....they drive like other road users dont exist! When they want to cut into your lane, no respect and courtesy shown at all! Just use their sheer size and bulldoze in! Extremely arrogant group. Ahh...Orchi-san...sorry lah...just a general statement and not directed at anyone.

coleslaw
13-06-2007, 06:34 PM
what about bus or lorry drivers?...... bigger vehicle and majority are male, right..and they love flashing their headlights too...

kokomo
14-06-2007, 10:49 AM
maybe all these while we have the impression that men is the better driver due to TV!

It's all physcological (spelling).

since when do you see ladies driving in F1 or whatever car race ? (except for the recent Too Fast Too Furious and our own Malaysian lady drifter).

EVERYONE had been seeing men driving on TV! That always give the impression that men are better drivers. That's my 2 sens.

If my brain has not fail on me yet. I think there is a F1 lady driver already exist and getting more fame than male drivers. There are also female drivers who are good with their hands on the wheels and modifying their cars and knows more bout cars than I do. :o

Yes, agree! Big cars like MPU, 4WD, SUV or anything bigger than my "trolley" are bullies. Regardless of female or male, they carry the same kind of ethic when in those big vehicles.

sulynx
17-06-2007, 10:44 AM
If my brain has not fail on me yet. I think there is a F1 lady driver already exist and getting more fame than male drivers.

could you be referring to danica patrick? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danica_Patrick

since there hasn't been an f1 female driver for the last 15 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Formula_One_drivers

pepsi
17-06-2007, 11:15 PM
Don't forget the motorcyclist. :D
They too hog the road.

hhtee
20-06-2007, 04:56 PM
If my brain has not fail on me yet. I think there is a F1 lady driver already exist and getting more fame than male drivers. There are also female drivers who are good with their hands on the wheels and modifying their cars and knows more bout cars than I do. :o

Yes, agree! Big cars like MPU, 4WD, SUV or anything bigger than my "trolley" are bullies. Regardless of female or male, they carry the same kind of ethic when in those big vehicles.

OK. Your brain did not fail you. there may be a F1 lady driver but their prescence in F1 or any other racing are not felt!

The only thing guys go to any racing is to see those Japanese GT Queen (hope it's correct terminology) or something like that.

Anyways, to prove that ladies' prescene are not felt in the racing world, if you read http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/6/20/sports/20070620155901&sec=sports today,


Red Bull and racing team partner AMN Motorsport have announced the Red Bull Female Driver Search to find, fund and nurture aspiring talents and prepare them to race in the Merdeka Millennium Endurance Race (MME) next year.

The objective of the campaign is to help Malaysian female college students and young professionals realise their dreams of racing in the national circuit.

so until the day ladies are as good drivers and better drivers than men, only will men stop saying "LADY DRIVER LADY DRIVER" :D

coleslaw
20-06-2007, 05:09 PM
until the day ladies are as good drivers and better drivers than men, only will men stop saying "LADY DRIVER LADY DRIVER" :D

it will never happen cos men still need to blame someone for their inadequacies.. :)

Eastern Citizen
20-06-2007, 05:26 PM
it will never happen cos men still need to blame someone for their inadequacies.. :)
*Ouch* :o

kokomo
20-06-2007, 10:56 PM
OK. Your brain did not fail you. there may be a F1 lady driver but their prescence in F1 or any other racing are not felt!

The only thing guys go to any racing is to see those Japanese GT Queen (hope it's correct terminology) or something like that.

Anyways, to prove that ladies' prescene are not felt in the racing world, if you read http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/6/20/sports/20070620155901&sec=sports today,

so until the day ladies are as good drivers and better drivers than men, only will men stop saying "LADY DRIVER LADY DRIVER" :D

Must you have such prejudice with lady drivers? Even if there is a good lady driver and some maybe even better than men, I bet you can't even keep up with them nor do you have the knowledge of cars as good as them. I'm not saying all are good but the minority are and really do.

My mom is a lady driver and I remember those days as kids ... only mothers' most of the time would be driving us around here n there. I don't know bout you hhtee, prolly if there are no men drivers you won't be getting on any of a ladies car? If you drive yourself everywhere you go then good for you.

wAISEKMAo
20-06-2007, 11:32 PM
If you look at the topic it says (a) " lady driver - please do not endanger other driver and yourself ".
I am not putting up topic as (b) " lady driver - bad and lousy driver ". No, I dont think and surely do not generalize all ladies to be bad and lousy driver. There are even lady driver in Indy 500 and F1.
The differences are if you know (1-b) how to drive and (2-a) drive safely.
Nor am I has an existing bias in my mind against the ladies.
I am very sure there are cases of both gender driving carelessly, aggresively, big bully,
driving like the road belongs to them and etc.
I am saying the way some of the lady drive could endanger herself and of other driver.
Driving in Malaysia is actually challenging task.
Malaysian driver tend to think we know how to drive but how many of us know how to drive safely?
How many of us know the distance to the car in front when driving at 60 kmph? 80 kmph? 120 kmph?
How many of us know before we cross into fast lane, we need to make sure to let them pass before we cross over?
So if we do not really know how to drive safely, what guide our senses of road safety?
This is where our "Judgement" comes in. To judge(anticipate) what the driver left, right, behind and front does so you can take action. To anticipate better so you will not hit nor hit by other(not only endanger yourself but put other in danger as well). This is where the differences lie.
In average daily traffic, I think men anticipate much better than most of the lady(in driving). If the driver is a guy, I find his driving to be predictable but if the driver is a lady, its less predictable. I am not ****ting you, look around in your daily commute. I have seen enough to have the confidence to argue my case.




To quantify the argument, check with the insurance companies. I believe they have good statistics on which gender has a worse record. In another country I used to live in, insurance premium for drivers of a particular gender is higher because of these statistics. Some of you may already know which one.
YEAH! check with the insurance companies. Ask them whos on the wheel in the family, whos on the wheel when a couple goes out , whos on the wheel when your parents take you out, whos on the wheel in long distance journey, whos on the wheel in the delivery lorries, whos on the wheel on all those working vehicles.