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orchipalar
11-06-2007, 02:37 PM
Err buddies...since 6pm yesterday evening...KL City has seen the worst re-occurrence of severe flash floodings...perhaps in the last 6 years.

Report from The Star... (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/6/11/nation/17990137&sec=nation) which has missed to mentioned many more areas in KL City which were also badly affected by the floodings...such as the areas around Jalan Masjid India...n Brickfields.

The Merdeka Square Field...was submerged in at least 1 metre deep....while some areas were under 2 metre deep of deep of floodwater.

Front Page Reports from the ChinaPress Chinese daily... (http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.asp?dt=2007-06-11&sec=malaysia&art=0611mb20.txt) n here... (http://www.chinapress.com.my/) mentioned that thousands of people were stranded...some were injured...n hundreds of vehicles were damaged in the floodings.(many still left stranded n damaged in underground carparks)

Related topic...in here (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showpost.php?p=238648&postcount=1) n from here also... (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=16856&page=6&pp=15)

Imagine...how shocking it would be for thousands n thousands of weekend n overseas tourists...visiting KL City last night.

Imagine...what would happened if we had more Visit Malaysia 2007's International tourists...visiting KL City at the same time...

Imagine...if we were celebrating the 50th Anniversary of Malaysian Independence...since 1957...BIG time in Merdeka Square...when the severe flooding hits...!

Syabas Negara Ku...Malaysia...Syabas!

hhtee
11-06-2007, 02:44 PM
I have got no proof but you have to trust my eyes!

It was leaking in Berjaya Times Square! How come no reporters came and highlight it like the Jalan Duta Court House :D ?

Anyways, I believe the joints of the curtain walling weren't that good and thus the leaks. The rain water just seeped into the building.

sirgalahad2010
11-06-2007, 02:44 PM
What do you expect from the "bocor" centre of the world?

I just hope that the economy will not go "bocor" on us. That is, if one can treat flash floods as a surrogate for the Msian economy? Or is that too esoteric a concept?

isarahim
11-06-2007, 02:45 PM
Large areas around Ampang, Ulu Klang, Wangsa Maju, Titiwangsa, Keramat as well...

isarahim
11-06-2007, 02:47 PM
What do you expect from the "bocor" centre of the world?
Hmm...this time KL didn't bocor enough!!!

orchipalar
11-06-2007, 03:04 PM
Err buddies...the NST reports...Sg. Kelang...burst its banks. (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/National/20070611074902/Article/index_html)...areas in Setapak...Sentul n Jalan Ampang...flooded.

KL City was chaotic...vehicle n rail traffic were at at standstill...!

sirgalahad2010
11-06-2007, 03:30 PM
Hmm...this time KL didn't bocor enough!!!

Ok, maybe I was a wee bit over zealous!

I have been watching on TV the past couple of days the destruction caused by freak weather on the coastal areas of New South Wales in Australia.

I guess one doesn't play punk with Mother Nature.

But it also helps to have good, well-maintained infrastructure and trained personnel to cope with flash floods in KL and elsewhere in the country. And a well thought-out plan of action.

irisbaggins
11-06-2007, 03:31 PM
Ya, I was travelling in the express bus last nite....and saw all the chaos.
I wanted to take the cab home once i reach puduraya....but changed my mind after looking at the river....haha.

Took the LRT instead.....

Gosh...when only is the Smart Tunnel is going to be of use? And Samy wants to start charging ppl from this friday on.

isarahim
11-06-2007, 04:31 PM
...when only is the Smart Tunnel is going to be of use?
You mean for drainage?

kwchang
11-06-2007, 05:36 PM
I believe Orchi had pointed it out in another thread that the SMART tunnel is not actually ready. There are about 9 to 10 Km of tunnel but only the 3+ Km which incorporates the road is ready. I guess they should be highlighting this in the news because with all the ho-hah, nothing was put up in the papers regarding the readiness of the tunnel.

bslee
11-06-2007, 06:08 PM
Ready or not, the legalized extortion begins this Friday.. like good olde SV sayz..wanna use..pay lah!.

kwchang
11-06-2007, 06:12 PM
Someone told me the toll is only RM2.00 - is that true? i had no way to verify. If true, that is too cheap (compared with the Pencala Link) and therefore the tunnels will be jammed during peak hours.

coleslaw
11-06-2007, 06:14 PM
penchala link is also 2 ringgit...

bslee
11-06-2007, 06:16 PM
The news here..since morning.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/6/11/nation/20070611144607&sec=nation

NOTE WELL!.. 3 years time.. INCREASE!..

jianwei85
11-06-2007, 08:35 PM
Someone told me the toll is only RM2.00 - is that true? i had no way to verify. If true, that is too cheap (compared with the Pencala Link) and therefore the tunnels will be jammed during peak hours.

yes. rm2 toll rate for SMART was announced over the radio this morning.

hhtee
11-06-2007, 08:46 PM
the only way to get the toll rates down is NOT to use the tunnel at all :D

but flooding is bad I believe is due to us human beings!

a) so many construction projects were done and after chopping down the trees, there is no buffer to slow the rain

b) some people like to throw things out of the car (and some rich buggers even spit out of their vehicles) rubbish goes to the drains

c) authorities never clear the drains

d) some restaurants just operate as it is (which I think is not legal) without greese traps. drains get chocked up,

above are some examples of how human beings caused the flood.

sedikit-sedikit, lama-lama jadi bukit. (minor effects causes major ones when there are many minor effects)

my personal opinion!

kwchang
11-06-2007, 09:11 PM
...but flooding is bad I believe is due to us human beings!
..and some rich buggers even spit out of their vehicles...
HaaHaaHa ... logical ?
..flooded by spittle ... :) :D

Teeque
12-06-2007, 01:38 AM
wats funny is that yesterday morning, dbkl cleaners were cleaning the mud kicked up by the overflowing rivers near the masjid jamek area and you'd think they would do a professional job of it. nooo, what they did, they just opened up the drainholes/manhole covers and just water everything down - mud, debris, rubbish - back into the drains again. such brilliant idea! the next short downpour will throw all these back up again plus the additional mud frm overflowing rivers. no wonder the flood becomes worse after every occurence. the clogged drains just flood it up in double time...

Pix of aftermath of KL flood.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/MYraf/USJ/kl_flood2.jpg

pepsi
12-06-2007, 02:01 AM
I have got no proof but you have to trust my eyes!

It was leaking in Berjaya Times Square! How come no reporters came and highlight it like the Jalan Duta Court House :D ?

Anyways, I believe the joints of the curtain walling weren't that good and thus the leaks. The rain water just seeped into the building.
If I am not mistaken, I felt drops of water at KLCC when it was raining heavily the last time I was there. :D

pepsi
12-06-2007, 02:05 AM
Ya, I was travelling in the express bus last nite....and saw all the chaos.
I wanted to take the cab home once i reach puduraya....but changed my mind after looking at the river....haha.

Took the LRT instead.....

Gosh...when only is the Smart Tunnel is going to be of use? And Samy wants to start charging ppl from this friday on.
Mind you , he said,he can't promise the public will be charge a reasonable rate.
"Under promise, over deliver" ?

pepsi
12-06-2007, 02:08 AM
[QUOTE=Teeque]wats funny is that yesterday morning, dbkl cleaners were cleaning the mud kicked up by the overflowing rivers near the masjid jamek area and you'd think they would do a professional job of it. nooo, what they did, they just opened up the drainholes/manhole covers and just water everything down - mud, debris, rubbish - back into the drains again. such brilliant idea! the next short downpour will throw all these back up again plus the additional mud frm overflowing rivers. no wonder the flood becomes worse after every occurence. the clogged drains just flood it up in double time...

Can't blame the DBKL cleaners. What do they know ?
Their reporting officers should be held responsible.
Perhaps, they also didn't know better?
:D

Teeque
12-06-2007, 04:33 AM
Klang Valley flood mitigation by 2009
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Pak Lah turun padang: No more excuses now...
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Smart tunnel not ready and not the all-emcompassing solution...
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sabre23t
12-06-2007, 09:25 AM
nooo, what they did, they just opened up the drainholes/manhole covers and just water everything down - mud, debris, rubbish - back into the drains again. such brilliant idea! the next short downpour will throw all these back up again plus the additional mud frm overflowing rivers.
Are you sure the clogging of the drains in the flooded area is the cause? Not the "quick" or "flash" rush of water from upstream?

Mmm ... just imagine an upstream area that used to be scrub land with some vegetation cover. When it rains, it soaks into the permeable ground, then the water flows through the soaked ground, and slowly trickles into the drains bordering the area, and downstream into the "future flash flood prone" areas. It may take 30 mins for a raindrop to flow from the middle of the scrub land to the drains bordering it. "Time of concentration" the drainage engineer calls this.

Now ... imagine that upstream area "developed" into housing areas, with roofed houses collecting water quickly into gutters, than house drains, and area drains. Most of the permeable ground now replaced with impermeable roads, car parks and roofed areas. It may now take 5 mins for a raindrop to flow from the middle the previously scrub land to the drains bordering it. The "Time of Concentration" is 4 times less in that case. Water "rushes" downstream.

Have a look at what is happening to all the "upstream" areas to the "flash flood prone" areas. Most without any "detention/retention, infiltration" measures taken for water runoff source. Let the people downstream worry about the "flash" water flow. :mad:

See http://www.water.gov.my/division/river/stormwater/ "Urban Stormwater Management Manual for Malaysia" published in 2001 by JPS/DID. The summary is quite easy reading. :cool:

AllUrban
12-06-2007, 12:48 PM
it's lovely, no one wants to blame the development, or the debris, or the poor maintenance...or even the weather patterns, for the flash floods

so they blame the incomplete SMART tunnel....

If you can make a case (and some have) that the cost of the tunnel could be better spread out on many different projects...well, that would be different...but just shooting from the hip doesnt help....

Cheers, m

hhtee
12-06-2007, 12:52 PM
HaaHaaHa ... logical ?
..flooded by spittle ... :) :D

I was just highlighting that some people with disgusting habit. I just saw a rich guy driving a 4WD BMW spitting out of the car. Spitting out of the car would mean he wouldn't mind throwing rubbish out of the car.

Of cause you laughed because I put it in a way as though spit causes flooding. HAHA :D

No, I didn't meant it that way. I was highlighting throwing of rubbish out of car....

hhtee
12-06-2007, 01:00 PM
I blame it mostly on the development.

Also, you mind you, the Urban Stormwater Manual as mentioned by Sabre23t, is not useful. Why ?

Read the following scenario: -



the developer is supposed to construct an underground retention pond. If he doesn't construct it, he cannot get approval. He then constructs the retention pond. He gets his CF and all necessary approvals. He now removes the retention pond.


Which authorities would go after the developer / owner for removing the retention pond ? Please proof me wrong by quoting at least one news article. :mad:

uchangeng
12-06-2007, 01:13 PM
The flood reflects the poor state of our public work standard.

Have we heard anything reassuring from the Dato Bandar? Or YB is overseas somewhere on "working" trip?

Even our PM is asking when this "flood mitigation project" will work and end the agony of the people. Don't we all? Or can the affected public sue the city council for compensation? Afterall, we all tax payer and we want our money worth.

CCY
12-06-2007, 01:14 PM
OT a bit here.....Is the Subang Ria lake/pond classify an upstream retention pond ?

KH EE
12-06-2007, 01:45 PM
haha... the stormwater was built to collect toll instead of floodwater! :eek:

it's the govt that almost fully funded this tunnel but the private co, which paid some pittance amt, is collecting the toll! like this can or not? :confused:

also RM2 for a 4 km stretch = 50sen per km. cheap or not?

AllUrban
12-06-2007, 02:21 PM
RM2 for a 4 km stretch = 50sen per km. cheap or not?The cost of the KESAS from Sunway to Awan Besar, or the NPE from Taman Medan to Pantai, is RM2.20...and that isnt exactly an underground tunnel.....

cheers, m

hhtee
12-06-2007, 03:59 PM
The flood reflects the poor state of our public work standard.

Have we heard anything reassuring from the Dato Bandar? Or YB is overseas somewhere on "working" trip?

Even our PM is asking when this "flood mitigation project" will work and end the agony of the people. Don't we all? Or can the affected public sue the city council for compensation? Afterall, we all tax payer and we want our money worth.

Maybe in a foreign country, the public can sue the government. but if you do it in certain parts of the world, there will be delays, change of DPP, etc. :D


OT a bit here.....Is the Subang Ria lake/pond classify an upstream retention pond ?
haha. I don't know where this lake is. Is this the one next to SJMC ? well, as long as it "retains" some water, it can be classify as retention pond! :D



haha... the stormwater was built to collect toll instead of floodwater! :eek:

it's the govt that almost fully funded this tunnel but the private co, which paid some pittance amt, is collecting the toll! like this can or not? :confused:

also RM2 for a 4 km stretch = 50sen per km. cheap or not?
Aiyah! How shameful! I think there was a program in National Geography on our so called "SMART" tunnel but looks like it doesn't turn out to be too smart after all :(



The cost of the KESAS from Sunway to Awan Besar, or the NPE from Taman Medan to Pantai, is RM2.20...and that isnt exactly an underground tunnel.....

cheers, m
Yeah. We have to compare Grade A apples with Grade A apples. It's generally much costlier to construct an underground structure because of the heavy machinery involved. The Penchala Link is RM 2.00 rite? but I think the Penchala Link stretch is shorter (not sure).

bugbear
12-06-2007, 04:56 PM
I will be coming in to KL this Friday. i wonder if the flood situation will wreak my business trip there. Talk about el nino effect is trully of the mark.

sirgalahad2010
12-06-2007, 06:35 PM
Pak Lah: "Mobilise all resources and give it priority...I want all projects such as the deepening of rivers and construction of retention ponds to be completed ahead of schedule. You must hurry up with these efforts".

Pak Lah: "It seems that the floods this time covered more areas. How long can we face this?"

Datuk Wira Abdul Seman (FT Deputy Minister) said a special team would be formed to crack the whip so that all flood-alleviation projects, including the RM1.9 billion Smart, would be completed quickly.

Ahmad Fuad Embi (deputy D-G of the Drainage and Irrigation Dept) said that the (Smart) tunnel's flood-diverting features would be operational only in August. He said: "Unfortunately, there is nothing much that we can do until these (flood-alleviation) projects are operational".

(Note: Smart has 2 decks - one for traffic and another to channel flood waters to storage reservoirs. The traffic deck was opened first on May 14).

Samy V stressed to reporters that to prevent flash floods, the govt would have to spend billions of ringgit to deepen the city's rivers.

(courtesy of the Spore Straits Times (http://straitstimes.com.sg)).

At least, Samy is being honest, if nothing else (and that's not a political comment!).

Why do I get this picture of headless chickens running to and fro aimlessly?

orchipalar
12-06-2007, 10:29 PM
Err...he should mind his own bizness...n his 'leakage' problems...otherwise he should know that...Orchi could do better comparing to whatever he did for 1/2 the costs...

Ahem...but 1st...perhaps must get Pak Lah's to nod his head.

Teeque
13-06-2007, 02:21 AM
and according to discovery's documentary on the smart tunnel below, both the upper motorway and lower flood drainage decks can be used to channel excessive flood waters away in the event of massive flooding. and izzit USD250mil (abt RM900+mil) or RM1.9bil now? which is which??

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sabre23t
13-06-2007, 09:23 AM
Samy V stressed to reporters that to prevent flash floods, the govt would have to spend billions of ringgit to deepen the city's rivers.
(courtesy of the Spore Straits Times (http://straitstimes.com.sg)).
At least, Samy is being honest, if nothing else (and that's not a political comment!).
If developers of "upstream" new areas, who change water retaining vegetation covered areas into water rushing off tarmac/tiles covered areas; are required to implement the http://www.water.gov.my/division/river/stormwater/ "Urban Stormwater Management Manual for Malaysia" published in 2001 by JPS/DID, then the government will have to spend less billions to deepen "downstream" city rivers.

But as hhtee implied, the question would then be enforcement, "Which authorities would go after the developer / owner for removing the retention pond?" :(

hhtee
13-06-2007, 10:03 AM
If developers of "upstream" new areas, who change water retaining vegetation covered areas into water rushing off tarmac/tiles covered areas; are required to implement the http://www.water.gov.my/division/river/stormwater/ "Urban Stormwater Management Manual for Malaysia" published in 2001 by JPS/DID, then the government will have to spend less billions to deepen "downstream" city rivers.

But as hhtee implied, the question would then be enforcement, "Which authorities would go after the developer / owner for removing the retention pond?" :(

Sabre why did you frown ?
are you showing "Anger" or "having a deep thought" ? :D

anyways, this is reality! Many developers / owners do this. It's a fact.

It's also similar to the landscape requirements. For instance, the council may require the owner to plant trees, etc. If not, they cannot get the approval. What does the owner do ? Well, plant the trees lah. After the council gives approval, then the trees are removed. (similar situation rite ?).

Well, this is happening !! and I am not too happy with these sort of activity!

Sentinel
13-06-2007, 11:18 AM
Err...he should mind his own bizness...n his 'leakage' problems...otherwise he should know that...Orchi could do better comparing to whatever he did for 1/2 the costs...

The outer ring road flyovers cracked, millions to repair.

Schools cracked and crumbled, millions to repair.

Computer classes flood, millions to repair.

Leaking roof in new Putrajaya, millions to repair.

Leaking parliament and supreme court buildings, millions to repair.

Malaysia - Land of Opprtunity! Perhaps Semi Value should not be called Minister of Works but Minister of Reworks???? :eek:

AllUrban
14-06-2007, 11:03 AM
question...why no sandbags?

Not to stop the river from flooding...but to prevent the floodwaters from entering businesses, carparks, etc.....

Cheers, m

orchipalar
14-06-2007, 11:15 AM
The outer ring road flyovers cracked, millions to repair.

Schools cracked and crumbled, millions to repair.

Computer classes flood, millions to repair.

Leaking roof in new Putrajaya, millions to repair.

Leaking parliament and supreme court buildings, millions to repair.

Malaysia - Land of Opprtunity! Perhaps Semi Value should not be called Minister of Works but Minister of Reworks???? :eek:Err buddies...another sad news reported in newspapers this morning...

The authorities at the Museum Negara...is frantically trying to salvage many items like books...which are feared to be damaged from the recent flooding...n collapsed ceilings.

City Hall...has urged the government to disburse more funds upto 100 millions to complete the pending projects to build more floodwater retention ponds around KL City...

Perhaps too late now...n costlier to build new...rather than putting the old tin mining ponds to good use before...they approved many past developments to fill up those mining lakes n ponds to become...more properties developments.

Ahem...look at areas around Sunway...what happened to those once many mining ponds...??? More abandoned housing flat n incomplete apartment buildings...standing over the ponds now.

Sigh...Syabas to the likes of DBKL...MPPJ...MPSJ...n MPSA...etc. etc....you guys did real good jobs...at ensuring that the Klang Valley would forever be prone to floodings.

orchipalar
14-06-2007, 11:19 AM
question...why no sandbags?

Not to stop the river from flooding...but to prevent the floodwaters from entering businesses, carparks, etc.....Err buddy...who's going to do those works...???

The civil defense forces...?

Remember the last mega floodings in Johor...EVERYBODY was being caught with their pants down...while the heads of the relevant departments decided to take overseas trips...melawat sambil belajar mah!

Or would they ever learn from past experiences...?

n our Prime Minister at the time...had to attend to overseas' assignment...ahem...or restaurant opening of some sort...

USJ27Resident
17-06-2007, 05:32 PM
....while the heads of the relevant departments decided to take overseas trips...melawat sambil belajar mah!

cannot belajar...while being distracted by belly dancers ala Shakira N Beyonce!!! :p

sinleong
17-06-2007, 09:41 PM
Sigh...Syabas to the likes of DBKL...MPPJ...MPSJ...n MPSA...etc. etc....you guys did real good jobs...at ensuring that the Klang Valley would forever be prone to floodings.

ahem... this is going to be a very serious accusation but what the heck... i have worked with some people on some projects overseas. these are huge projects that takes time to spec. the consultants and contractors usually work hand in hand, although they are not supposed to in the pre-tender stage. and deliberately leave some parts "unfinished". rationale is for the system to fail in an emergency situation and hence, a maintenance or remedial action can be called which is outside the scope of the main contract. as it is going to be an emergency situation, the tender process can be avoided and the purchase is done through a direct negotiation... highly inflated price.

i wonder if the same situation is applied here or not. seems like additional funds are being pumped in to make the SMART tunnel work.

Teeque
18-06-2007, 01:33 AM
Are you sure the clogging of the drains in the flooded area is the cause? Not the "quick" or "flash" rush of water from upstream? ...
yes, the drains clogged up first in a heavy downpour before the river breaks its banks. so, its the result of both clogged drains and the rush of water upstream making it worse...

Teeque
18-06-2007, 01:35 AM
question...why no sandbags?...
err, this would make KL look like a war zone ala Baghdad, which aint good for VMY aint it? :D