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kwchang
08-06-2007, 01:27 AM
The following posts were extracted form another thread in the Forum. This was a side track which I believe tackles a problem I am trying to resolve. The issue is about people using the Forum for their political outbursts. ......

I hope our readers are mature enough to be able to determine what they read to be true or false. Check out what you read everytime, do not swallow hook, line and sinker. Make intelligent decisions about what you read.

However, I know that some people with specific mindsets will believe everything that they read IF the topic reinforces what they BELIEVE in themselves, regardless if it was false or a rumour.

We hope that by participating in the Forums at USJ dot com, everyone learns about using the Internet responsibly. Do not believe whatever you read. Read intelligently.

blues
08-06-2007, 07:10 AM
kwchang,
perhaps some readers will never learn,unfortunately,again some trying to be championed of all.

chewie
08-06-2007, 09:36 AM
true true.... at times we have to use our own mind to judge and not just to follow suit...:)

sinleong
08-06-2007, 12:14 PM
I hope our readers are mature enough to be able to determine what they read to be true or false. Check out what you read everytime, do not swallow hook, line and sinker. Make intelligent decisions about what you read.

However, I know that some people with specific mindsets will believe everything that they read IF the topic reinforces what they BELIEVE in themselves, regardless if it was false or a rumour.

We hope that by participating in the Forums at USJ dot com, everyone learns about using the Internet responsibly. Do not believe whatever you read. Read intelligently.

The same goes for the Star, news straits times and all the other so called mainstream media. don't believe everything they print.

kwchang
08-06-2007, 05:06 PM
Nonetheless, I agree with EasternCitizen. As responsible members of the community, we should learn to post factual comments least the Forum gets hauled up for propagating a pack of lies.

As you all may have noted, I am beginning to make a stand on the wanton posts of political and racial slurs that seem to be the favourite of a number of members. I am not going to apologise for taking strong actions on these types of post. Please be prepared to be banned for a period of time if you think that THIS FORUM is a platform for such outbursts.

I am sure I am not the only one getting daily headaches from all the complaints that we read here. Frankly, the Forum needs some shakeup and this is a good time to start.

isarahim
09-06-2007, 03:08 PM
As noted by several posters earlier, it's difficult to know in Malaysia what is true and what is false. The natural filtering process which occurs in countries with free media does not exist here. The information we get from mainstream media is controlled. Whereas it less often tells an outright lie, the information given are often half-truths, constricted, incomplete and whitewashed.

Against this we have people like RPK in Malaysia Today, using their unique personal positions to provide revelations which cannot be obtained through the mainstream media.

Many have said that the true/false ratio of Malaysia Today is at least as good as NST, Star, Berita, Utusan etc. From my own observations I agree. But it doesn't mean that everything in Malaysia Today is true. We need to be on our guard. The modus operandi of people like RPK means that information picked up usually goes straight to publishing with little editorial review in between. So there will unavoidably be errors. And often those errors are indicated in the 'reply' sections.

Then it's a question of what is 'true' and what is 'false'. Who determines it? The government? How many truths during the last 20 years have initially been dismissed by the government as 'lies'? Innumberable I'd say. So who determines what is 'true' and 'false'? We cannot say. A statement which is dismissed as 'false' during a certain politically sensitive period, might in fact be a 'truth' a year later. Hence, posting a certain 'truth' in forum like USJ might in fact be far more dangerous than posting a 'false' statement. And often one cannot say whether something is 'true' or 'false'. And, to limit ourselves to just posting statements which are without any factual doubt 'true' will make discussion entirely impossible.

In summary, I think there's is no problem in discussing rumours as long as it's perfectly clear that they are but rumours and their trueness or falseness cannot be verified at the particular point in time. Any other alternative would essentially kill off all discussion in the media climate we have today.

sinleong
09-06-2007, 04:19 PM
I am begining to have a very very deep concern. The concern that... postings in this forum which is political but pro-government is acceptable. BUT postings in this forum which is political but anti-government will have the person who posted it banned.

I do not condone lies and rumor mongering in the forum, the same way that i completely despise the lies and spin that the mainstream media spouts. Hence, this is the reason why people like me turn to the internet, blogs and forums such as this one to read and discuss about what we see or hear.

Raikonen
09-06-2007, 08:09 PM
I am begining to have a very very deep concern. The concern that... postings in this forum which is political but pro-government is acceptable. BUT postings in this forum which is political but anti-government will have the person who posted it banned.

I do not condone lies and rumor mongering in the forum, the same way that i completely despise the lies and spin that the mainstream media spouts. Hence, this is the reason why people like me turn to the internet, blogs and forums such as this one to read and discuss about what we see or hear.

I agree totally. It is like as though all internet bloggers or forumers have to conform to certain prescribed standards. A govt mole? :D

Meanwhile, read http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/corridors.php?itemid=5224 for your own info

kwchang
10-06-2007, 01:25 AM
I agree that there is no litmus test for fact or fiction.
And yes, I agree that we should not necessarily take anti-government statements to be fiction. Conversely, we should not take anti-government statements to be fact.

It is not that I support government policies to the point that I am suppressing political discussions on the Forum. That makes it sound like I am pro-government and a lackey of the ruling parties. Far from it ... I am apolitical. I do not support any political party, if you are interested to know.

Another reminder if you may - this website is first and foremost a community website. It is a website to help neighbours and to promote neighbourliness. A side agenda is to develop a culture of responsible web usage and also to educate users to be more aware of the goings on in the internet so that members do not get cheated or scammed by conmen.

I do not remember that this website was brought up on a political agenda. Even our front page declares that we are not supported by Government grants (meaning we have no political obligations). To be fair, we were not originally here to give a platform to the opposition either.

Of late, some members have been pushing their political agendas on our Forum. This is unfair to the others who are not using the forum for these purposes. Despite the fact that we have the "warong politik" channel, members choose to post and vent their political ideas in the main forum (the wrong place).

Hence my declaration that I will henceforth control these political outbursts if the threads are not political but someone sees fit to infuse their political ideas in the wrong threads. May I add, I will delete or stop political threads or posts if they appear outside the warong politik. It will be a lot of work but I hope members will help by sending me PMs if I missed some of these posts. The same goes for racism and bigotry.

isarahim
10-06-2007, 12:00 PM
I actually think it's worked quite well the last 6 months. Ok I was out for about 4 of those but though I didn't post anything I still read it.

Most people have the main forum as their landing page. It's only natural that new threads are posted there regardless of content. If then any of the threads turn out to be long winded political discussion, then move them over to the Warong.

In addition, it's quite difficult to entirely separate what is "community" (SJ, USJ and maybe Puchong) from what is the "larger community" (Malaysia, federal politics). Politics is not some dirty word that should be lumped together with 'racism', 'bigotry' etc. Politics permeates everything; there's no escape from it.

The reason the Warong has had difficulty taking off is because it's named with a W making it quite invisible at the end of the list. I suggest we make it a bit more visible so that it can come alive by itself. Perhaps renaming it to something like "Akal-budi Politik" or "Debat Politik" would improve this somewhat. Making it clear in the title that it's about common sense might help filter out some of the racist or bigot postings.

In contrast "Warong" rings a bit bad in my ears; as it rather connotes to a fairly spurious gossip stall/club...which is really what KW is trying to steer away from.

fabregas
10-06-2007, 01:47 PM
I would also like to add, that personally, I don't mind political discussions as long as there are responsibly written. Opinions and ideas from each one of us can drive changes for the good. But some post were intentionally meant to provoke or wind up people. Although the govt has many flaws, but I feel that the govt has become a convenient scapegoat to many issues. If the moon was to crash on this planet - lets blame the govt. I think there are many issues that society should take responsibility for (like racism, bigotry). FYI, I have voted mostly for the opposition in the past few elections. But that does not mean I am blindly loyal or adverse to any political party, because circumstances changes all the time. But the goal for a harmonious and progressive nation still remains.

kwchang
10-06-2007, 11:50 PM
I actually think it's worked quite well the last 6 months.Only when the discussion was done with some intelligent thinking. Alas, some posts were definitely of the "warong" type where it made the Forum look bad. I agree with Fabregas. If only everyone can think like the both of you, I would have an easier time.


...If then any of the threads turn out to be long winded political discussion, then move them over to the Warong.Man, that is a lot of work for me. I would rather DELETE posts that had no intelligent content. Hence my warnings many times that I would go down hard on the bigotted discussions.


..Politics is not some dirty word that should be lumped together with 'racism', 'bigotry' etc..I was hitting out at the bigots. Comments made to stir up issues are not welcomed. Unfortunately, some members make politics a racist issue. I hate racist issues.


The reason the Warong has had difficulty taking off is because it's named with a W making it quite invisible at the end of the list.Point noted, I will try to change the title to something higher up in the alphabetical order.

sinleong
11-06-2007, 12:44 AM
I was hitting out at the bigots. Comments made to stir up issues are not welcomed. Unfortunately, some members make politics a racist issue. I hate racist issues.

i say...
racists bad. very very bad.

but what's wrong with politics?

in the 1st place, what politics?

going back to the threads to find out why some people been attacking me for politicizing issues, it was actually my response about how abdullah badawi been denying for the past 1 year about his relationship with jeanne danker and the various announcements by the government which were denied by the foreign partners concerned.

first of all, i didn't even realize that these responses had any political intonations to it. it was a straight forward answer to point out what's wrong. nor did i tell anyone to vote wisely in the next election.

secondly, where is the racist or bigot intonations in my postings???

right or wrong, i can't help but recall my 1st attendance in the recent USJRA meeting. actually it wasn't me the one who is very political. but somehow i seem to note that if someone politicizes an issue, no matter how subtle he does it, as long as it is along views promoting the governing party's agenda then it is fine. it's like that poor DAP lady MP who tried to bring those 2 BN MP's to the book for calling her bocor. it's not OK for her to politicize her issue.

kwchang
11-06-2007, 12:51 AM
May I point you to this thread (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=18579) where your arguement actually started? I believe this is the only thread which had your name implicated.

As for my pronouncements on racists and bigots, I do not remember implicating you. My statements were made in a general manner to warn members who were posting racists and political comments in threads that were not originally intended for those issues.

irisbaggins
11-06-2007, 12:55 AM
Well....this is Chang's forum, and if he thinks this is best then let's just respect his wishes loh.

kwchang
11-06-2007, 01:28 AM
Correction, this is NOT MY FORUM.
This is a COMMUNITY forum.
I am only moderating ... and my concern is that this community forum should not be hijacked by others who seem to prefer to swing anything they like into political and racist issues.

It is as simple as that. A community is more than politics and certainly has no place for racism. If some of you feel I am hitting at you, then I thank you for raising your hands.

isarahim
11-06-2007, 08:51 AM
Come on lads and gals! Can we please discuss how to improve the forum instead of sniding at KW?

Without KW's hard work coupled with sense of balance, this forum would either have been closed by decree, or derailed into catcha.com territory...

Muahahaha
11-06-2007, 08:53 AM
We are nothing to talk in this "Kia shi" forum.... :mad:

bobkee
11-06-2007, 07:30 PM
I would probably be the first to insist that political considerations permeate our decision making in multiple levels; therefore I'd agree with Isa on this. I would also be extremely uncomfortable with this forum if there're indications that opinions are being selectively censored.

Having said that, I must also admit that some of the posts here have been provocative, whether deliberately or otherwise. Legitimate discourse that might include some level of political considerations and implications tend to be "hijacked" (sorry to use this term, I can't think of a more appropriate one at the moment) by ventings that target particular ethnic or religious groups. This can only be counter-productive.

Chang has it tough enough having to balance so many responsibilities, lets not make it more difficult for him :)

Peace.

sinleong
11-06-2007, 11:30 PM
May I point you to this thread (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=18579) where your arguement actually started? I believe this is the only thread which had your name implicated.
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sorry if i fail to see the light... what about this post? which part of it is bad?

sinleong
11-06-2007, 11:57 PM
Well....this is Chang's forum, and if he thinks this is best then let's just respect his wishes loh.

i agree with you. if the administrator do not want political posts in this forum, then we don't post anything political. so, the administrator will be the judge of what is deemed political and what is not. this goes back to all my concerns about where this forum is heading.

1. pointing out that the government issues statements which are subsequently denied by overseas partners is deemed as political
2. questioning the PM's wisdom on denying his relationships with jeanne danker is considered political

but issues about subang ria park, smart tunnel toll, public hospitals and price increase are not political. look carefully at some of the posts.

i am not attacking the administrator in this case. as irisbaggins pointed out, since the administrator wants it like this, then we just toe the line. but i want to know how this line is to be toed because i do not want to get myself banned.

i also would like to suggest, besides POLITICAL AND RACIST posts, please add personal ATTACKS as one of the the pieces to be avoided. I see no action yet been taken against kaym for his very emotional outbursts against me. this is sending the wrong signal because i see others in the past being banana-ed and banned for personal attacks but this guy gets off. because he raised an agenda which is agreeable to the administrator? so it's ok to attack someone personally if the administrator agrees?

Rocky19
12-06-2007, 12:05 AM
Politics is very much part of any community. It will be difficult to separate it from the community. Discussing it in a mature way will help moderators like Chang but that doesn't mean that the views must like those of Changs. Yes a community is more than politics but politics is everywhere man, the office,coffee shop, the forum except the forum you can sign on as different nicks and strengthen your arguments with support from you other nicks. Well we do have phantom voters in elections as well. And how do we restrict issues here to usj community.Like isarahim said it is difficult. We even have singaporean issues on the forum.

Then there are forumer(s) who do raise racist issue and we all know where it is going as some are very biased. Yes it is difficult not to touch race as an issue cos it is all around us.Our politicians have many ways to remind us of it. But we must be sensible about the issue being raised or try not to fall into the trap.If we can discuss in a matured way about it, hat is great but we shouldn't make this a Malay bashing forum or any other race for that matter. You want to do that, go to Malaysia today or KMU. Chang if you have to ban, then go ahead. You have the power to do so but they will be back. so it will not go away that easily.

pepsi
12-06-2007, 01:46 AM
We are nothing to talk in this "Kia shi" forum.... :mad:
Excuse me, you mean you have nothing else to talk about besides politics ?
Get a life...than you know what it means to "kia si".
KWChang is trying to ensure that the the FORUM and it's members and visitors don't die of "unatural death". If we want to continue to voice our grievances, let us try to do it as tactfully and as constructively as possible.
Yes, we do get carried away (emotionally) and KWChang will have to clean up our mess
:D He can't be expected to be everywhere to clean up every mess and some mess can be very "difficult" to clean . If not clean up in time, the mess will get us all into trouble.Let's co-operate, if not, go elsewhere to pour our frustration.
Why not create our own personal Blog. We will be solely responsible for it.
How would we like that ? Kia SI or not ?

pepsi
12-06-2007, 01:55 AM
sorry if i fail to see the light... what about this post? which part of it is bad?
Eeer, KWChang, I don't see whats 's wrong with this specific post. It's true that there has been a lot of "news" that got into our established papers and at the end, denial by the parties involve without explanation by this papers. They should provide their source in future. This had quite an impact on potential investors and can newspapers print news without substantiative documents or confirmation ?
News on VW and Proton , not first time .

Eastern Citizen
12-06-2007, 09:39 AM
We are nothing to talk in this "Kia shi" forum.... :mad:
Really? Respectfully, I would beg to differ. In any case, I do not think that political discussion is banned. It is just that the discussion should be mature, level headed and logical. If opinions differ then they differ and we have to be mature enough to accept the other person's point of view and agree to differ, that's all.


............... going back to the threads to find out why some people been attacking me for politicizing issues, it was actually my response about how abdullah badawi been denying for the past 1 year about his relationship with jeanne danker and the various announcements by the government which were denied by the foreign partners concerned..........
sinleong, my personal take on it is that perhaps kaym did somewhat overreact to your post but I think it was mostly due to your immediate linking up the wal-mart issue to a whole host of other issues that did not seem to have a connection and the whole post just came out rather negative. Please don't get me wrong, I agree that people are entitled to their negativity and if others don't like it, they can always post their 2 cents and be done with it without having to resort to personal attacks and in this case, my personal view is that kaym was wrong to attack you personally.

lord
12-06-2007, 11:31 AM
I totally agree with EasternCitizen on the above. I have always been awe-struck by the proficiency commanded by people like Cool Hand Luke, CKOne, Jose Maurinho and now, I am left with the same after taste with EasternCitizen. Their ability to look into issues is just unbelievable. It's like dejavu...

Sorry for the disgress.....

doggyjames
12-06-2007, 11:53 AM
this is stupid

y r we getting all f**ked up when it concerns political n racial issues?cant we discuss them like grown adults?some might think that these topics are too "sensitive" to discuss, but why?if we couldnt discuss these issues we r simply not grown up yet...might as well get our sand buckets n play in the playground like a kid...

i agree that some comments are too racially and politically aggresive...yes i agree that these comments should be banned or maybe the moderator can have a chat with the person concerned...please guys act like adults not like dogs and cats ok?together we can maintain a freedom of opinions n speech culture in this forum without getting too aggresive about it..

thats my thought about this forum and this country's culture in particular...anyone wanna blast me u r welcomed...cheers

FineTuned
12-06-2007, 01:34 PM
..anyone wanna blast me u r welcomed...cheers
:D I think that's the spirit we need in this forum. Some of us may be a bit too sensitive when we get criticized for our opinions.

It is never easy for anyone to see things from the other point of view, so naturally we see nothing wrong in our own posts. Maybe we should use the response from others to gauge the appropriateness of our own postings, and then continue accordingly. If we don't know how to practice responsible self censorship, then someone else must reluctantly do it for us.

kwchang has my utmost admiration for doing a difficult job wonderfully - unfortunately it looks like dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn't.

For myself, I can happily say this, "kwchang, give me that banana if I step out of line, anytime!" :peace: Anyone else try this, I reserve the right to bite back unmaliciously.

kwchang
12-06-2007, 01:36 PM
...I do not think that political discussion is banned. It is just that the discussion should be mature, level headed and logical...
Guys, I believe most of you have got the point and E-citizen had put it nicely in one sentence.

Henceforth, please note that politics can be discussed but do it in the political channel that is available, not in the main forum. and please don't expect me to move it for you if you posted to the wrong place. Nobody likes house-work.

Important note - I will only allow for sensible, non-emotional and level-headed discussions. See how Isarahim does it, especially the way he handles his religious discussions. Class. Therefore, if anyone is unable to control his temper or emotions, please be prepared for the rotan.

Oh, yes, before everyone forgets - hijacking threads with political and racial comments will probably put you in the banana plantation for a few days.

jayan
12-06-2007, 01:54 PM
Come on Guy's .... enough already. I think Isarahim and Eastern Citizen have put it well enough. Besides, Chang has a life too .... and it is not entirely in this forum !! ( I know ... sometime it's hard to believe ;) ) Still, the man cannot be at all the threads all of the time. Therefore it is left to us as mature users of the forum to exercise restraint when posting our comments. Life is ****ty enough as it is, let's not make it any worst for ourselves as well as Chang by flaming in a community forum.

On another note, about isarahim's suggestion to rename the politics channel, I humbly submit my proposal .... "Cafe De'Politique". So what do the rest of you think ?

regards
Jayan

coleslaw
12-06-2007, 02:23 PM
don't see why a name change is needed...warong politik, to me is a better choice..afterall, more often than not, it's either at mamak shop or warong where political debates are had, besides football, of course.
it's just that threads are posted in the wrong channels..that's it.

ok hopping off my soap box now.. :D

CCY
12-06-2007, 02:28 PM
' E Warong Politik ' ;)

emybaba
12-06-2007, 03:03 PM
I for one feel quite ill at ease when race and religion starts getting comments from those who are quite well intentioned but seem to be somewhat misinformed (an optional replacement word for 'ignorant').

My thinking is if you can't say it properly, maybe don't say at all.

We're all members of the Human Race, though sometimes I am ashamed of being human, since even animals behave better than us. :p

jtl
12-06-2007, 03:20 PM
I totally agree with EasternCitizen on the above. I have always been awe-struck by the proficiency commanded by people like Cool Hand Luke, CKOne, Jose Maurinho and now, I am left with the same after taste with EasternCitizen. Their ability to look into issues is just unbelievable. It's like dejavu...

Sorry for the disgress.....

Just curious, are you implying that they are one and the same?

sinleong
12-06-2007, 09:17 PM
Guys, I believe most of you have got the point and E-citizen had put it nicely in one sentence.

Henceforth, please note that politics can be discussed but do it in the political channel that is available, not in the main forum. and please don't expect me to move it for you if you posted to the wrong place. Nobody likes house-work.

Important note - I will only allow for sensible, non-emotional and level-headed discussions. See how Isarahim does it, especially the way he handles his religious discussions. Class. Therefore, if anyone is unable to control his temper or emotions, please be prepared for the rotan.

Oh, yes, before everyone forgets - hijacking threads with political and racial comments will probably put you in the banana plantation for a few days.

KWchang, sorry for dogging you on this issue. trying to skirt around the matter doesn't solve the problem and leaves a bad bitter after taste. you talk about non-emotional and level headed discussions. but i see kaym is still off the hook. i have to bring about the nasty word, "bias".

if the word "government" is so political and taboo in this forum, please take a look at the discussions in subang ria and smart tunnel threads. i would seriously like to learn how you will deal with those.

kwchang
13-06-2007, 02:28 AM
sinleong,
what off the hook? Did you not check the thread now in the Moderation sub-forum?

It is not the word 'government' that creates the problem. I will moderate accordingly. Don't lose any sleep on how things are handled. There are better things to do in life and life is very short.

jianwei85
13-06-2007, 12:57 PM
"Coverage on Politics"

"Debates on Politics"

"Pusat Politik"

"E Politics"

"Politics Central"

lord
13-06-2007, 01:27 PM
Just curious, are you implying that they are one and the same?

errr.... does it look so obvious, my posting.....errrr... ahem..... ;)

jtl
13-06-2007, 02:27 PM
Well.....I don't know about the other names you mentioned but I am pretty certain EC is not the same person as the others

Eastern Citizen
13-06-2007, 02:36 PM
errr.... does it look so obvious, my posting.....errrr... ahem..... ;)
Aiyo....really ah? Unless the other names that you mentioned are part of my split personality...........I think that...... in fact I'm pretty certain, well, as certain as can be, I suppose, that I am in fact not consciously Cool Hand Luke, CKOne and Jose Mourinho in disguise. :D
Apologies to all for being slightly off topic. ;)

Sentinel
13-06-2007, 02:39 PM
Aiyo....really ah? Unless the other names that you mentioned are part of my split personality...........I think that...... in fact I'm pretty certain, well, as certain as can be, I suppose, that I am in fact not consciously Cool Hand Luke, CKOne and Jose Mourinho in disguise. :D
Apologies to all for being slightly off topic. ;)

We all knew who you were the day you started out as Eastern Citizen, who do you think you are trying to fool? Keeping quiet doesn't mean we are not aware..... :p

Sentinel
13-06-2007, 02:43 PM
Just curious, are you implying that they are one and the same?

You are absolutely right! The postings are now from either his office, the cyber cafe or an address in USJ2 but they are all the same Jose Mourinho! :p

Eastern Citizen
13-06-2007, 02:49 PM
We all knew who you were the day you started out as Eastern Citizen, who do you think you are trying to fool? Keeping quiet doesn't mean we are not aware..... :p
Drats!!!! Foiled again!!!! There goes my cunning disguise............ :D

Sentinel
13-06-2007, 02:53 PM
Drats!!!! Foiled again!!!! There goes my cunning disguise............ :D

Cunning? Hello Tong, go and do something better lah, sniff some coffee or smell some flowers than to play this pretentious games... to folks like you, you do get a turn-on doing this yah? It's called intellectual masturbation yah? :p

orchipalar
13-06-2007, 03:01 PM
Err...apolitical...political...racist or otherwise...multiple personalities or getting personal...bring them on...

We have a well moderated forum...here.

Else...see ya outside the forum.

Eastern Citizen
13-06-2007, 03:21 PM
Hmmmmm........... I can see that this might be getting somewhat out of hand.

Cunning? Hello Tong, go and do something better lah, sniff some coffee or smell some flowers than to play this pretentious games... to folks like you, you do get a turn-on doing this yah? It's called intellectual masturbation yah? :p
Sentinel, sorry to disappoint you but really I am NOT any of those people that you mentioned. The Drats!! thing was meant to be a joke lah..........

Err...apolitical...political...racist or otherwise...multiple personalities or getting personal...bring them on...
We have a well moderated forum...here.
Else...see ya outside the forum.
Sorry orchi, don't quite get where you're going with this.

Once again, many apologies to all for being slightly off topic. Also, I really do hope that you all will put an end to this. I have clarified that I am not any one of those people that you think that I am but truly, if there are any of you who don't believe me, then there is not a lot that I can do.

Sugarfree
13-06-2007, 03:33 PM
I have clarified that I am not any one of those people that you think that I am but truly, if there are any of you who don't believe me, then there is not a lot that I can do.EC, well, I believe you. Besides, the other people are me!http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/blobs/pinkie.gif. Hey! I was joking, ok! Haha. I don't see a point in logging in with different names. I believe most will not do it. http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/duckman/evil.gif

kwchang
13-06-2007, 05:34 PM
I think you guys are getting side tracked.

No matter what you think, I am quite sure EC was not one of the 3 previous nicks as mentioned. I know them quite well (or rather the person who was all 3) and I can say that EC's traits are quite different. I am quite certain that EC isn't our previous trinity.

And by the way, even if it is, what is the problem? Perhaps the 3 nicks had problems in the past but if the same person comes back as #4, he is most welcome if he did not assume the problematic roles as before.

I know of certain people who had been problematic in the past but came back under a different nick and remained a regular ever since. Did I hunt them down and make their life difficult for past problems? NO. everyone deserves another chance and I am patient. So please do not moderate on my behalf. I appreciate all your help but we should all live and let live.

Now do get back to the topic else the plantains get ripe again ...

sinleong
13-06-2007, 07:32 PM
sinleong,
what off the hook? Did you not check the thread now in the Moderation sub-forum?

It is not the word 'government' that creates the problem. I will moderate accordingly. Don't lose any sleep on how things are handled. There are better things to do in life and life is very short.

the last i saw was your comment that that guy shall not be banned because he said he won't be back.
dont worry. nobody is losing any sleep over this. but i think you should be more concerned about how others view the way this forum is being moderated and the direction it is heading. a moderator... should be above all, practice fairness and impartiality.